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Hmmm...looks a lot like the 2007 course map. Also eerily similar to the 2008 and 2009 course map.

still good maps though! you better get to work on those 2010 ones they are advertising though.

Job search? As in, outside USU/Logan?

Howdy. I check out your blog every once in a while and noticed your affinity for lightweight/minimal shoes. I was wondering if you ever run sockless.

we actually have a search going for an asst prof in my department with six candidates coming through in a three week period, I am on the committee. We are one of the fortunate few departments at USU to go ahead with a search, I guess since we are about 4-5 faculty short due to retirements and people who left. Me, I am still here for the long term I think!

Glad to hear. You had me worried for a second.

Vis, I always wear socks, because I am prone to blisters, but I may try running without them now that you have given me the idea.

I used to wear my five fingers without socks of course, but when winter came I got some injinji toe socks, they work great with the five fingers. Amzing that the feet don't get cold, and I have even adapted to pavement in them.

I really enjoy running in light shoes and the fives, though I found that this can be pretty dangerous once the mileage goes up above about 50-60 per week due to load on the calves, as I found out training for my last marathon. I am hoping I can adapt and gradually increase my mileage, we'll see once I start thinking about another marathon. The minimal shoes I really like are the new balance 790 and the asics hyperspeed, they are the lightest most flexible, and economical (40-50 dollar shoes on sale).

Thanks for the insight. I have some 790s and love them. I skip the socks anytime I run w/ those. I've wanted to try some flats, so perhaps I'll check out the hyperspeeds.

Nice times. You are still in great shape.

Our toes never really look normal with all our running, Scott!

Nice pace!

One thing to at least be conscious of is, if it hurts, there might be an issue. I doubt you will get a stress-fracture if you never run through weird pain. You could certainly hold out hope that you won't get side-swiped by a diesel if you run red-lights, but the odds of getting hurt probably go way up.

Not that I know anything, but just an observation to be careful what pain you run through:)

thanks Aaron, great advice and great points.

my left foot always seems to give me varying degrees of trouble. Right now I think it might be a pinched nerve or something. but if it gets worse I will reassess and adjust!

Big question is- keep running in uncushioned shoes or cushioned, or a mix... both types of running seem to have risks for me. rigid cushioned shoes cause posterial tibial tendon problems.. uncushioned hurt the feet more... maybe time to just start biking?

Maybe biking is right! except there is no fastbikingblog.com so how boring. Just kidding.

I have noticed that in my transition to fully barefoot or FF running, my feet have hurt a lot throughout the process. I haven't yet worked up to feeling like I can run every day pain free. So I have opted to not run on days my feet feel stiff. If you want to run every day in the transition perhaps the way to do it is to wear shoes every other day. Or you could go cold turkey like me and rotate in some biking on the off days. I do intend to get to the point where my feet are strong enough or accustomed enough to run every day, but I don't know when that will be yet.

I have noticed that they have consistently become stronger and that I can do more and more mileage with less and recovery time. By that I mean less stiffness in my feet after the run, and especially the next morning. Or minor sore spots in my feet. Now it seems like my feet are only stiff the next day if I pushed them harder or longer the previous day...whereas early on they were always stiff the next day, or two.

One thing to consider if you have had consistent issues in your left foot is rolfing. Ever had any of that done?

About a year and a half ago I was having major issues in my left foot with tendon and weird pain, which caused me not be able to flex my foot very far and caused me pain biking and running. I went to a rolfer who made the problem disappear in a matter of 3 different sessions with him. I was amazed. I think the essence of what he did was to brake up adhesions in between the bones and ligaments with his fingers which allowed my foot to operate with the full range of motion and it fixed the issue. Since then, I have tried to copy his technique on myself and have had success in resolving some of the minor foot pain through this transition to barefoot running.

rolfing- weird name but that sounds EXACTLY like what I need. I get this little kink/stabbing pain in my feet that feels like something just isn't meshing right sometimes when I roll/twist my foot in different directions. OK- I am going to see if anyone here does rolfing.

and yes, the transition to the FF seems to bring with it more of this foot pain stuff. I am mixing up the running in different shoes to try to ease into it. anyway great info, thanks!!! off to find the rolfer...

Good thing I wasn't there. You would have lapped me.

I would drink out of your hose, but I bet it is frozen (or disconnected). No worries.

On a more important note, I am killing you in mileage AGAIN this year. Better get cracking...

Uh oh! Hope you're ok. So much for running for health?

Snowy, you need to send some of your beautiful weather this way. I am tired of slush and snow and wearing three layers of clothes.

I think I am ok. It hurt but I think it is just a flesh wound. fortunately I broke most of my fall with my right arm and hand. who needs those anyway?

Those mile repeats are not too shabby for no endurance or energy and throwing in human hurdles on every lap.

Red, are you sure you are drinking enough water/getting enough electrolytes? I am finding that because it is cool here, I am just not drinking enough (or as much perhaps) and I have been feeling similar ... just thinking.

But ... I am with Aaron, not bad for not feeling well!!

Bonnie, you are probably on to something. I have been running on a pretty much empty stomach with little fluids. I should know better. I will do the test next week by drinking some cytomax and eating a banana ahead of my speed workout. I should be doing that every day I guess. I blame Paul and Jon and Cody and their "water is for wimps" indoctrination of me!

and thanks for the encouragement from both of you, I appreciate it!

nice...how was the cold in the fives?

cold wasn't a problem. it is amazing how keeping the feet moving keeps the feet warm. what I don't like is the slush in the FF, now that gets cold.

Solid times, as usual!

Awesome place to run. I did that one in November.

ouch ... I feel your pain, 10 hours??? wow, I would be gone by now, 4 is my limit.

Well, except study section ... but that is because I am usually working too ;)

study section is no fun. :-(

nice pace! especially at night with no light and crashing twice.

hey your training is looking pretty good of late! Any one of these weekends or something you want to go on a run I'm back where I need to be so I'm game.

Joe, great, I am trying to get back on a Saturday long run schedule, may go out this afternoon, don't know if you have run yet. I am also interested in tempo/interval runs too if you have time during the week. Maybe the track will clear off soon with this thaw?

Dang, I should have checked earlier. I just barely got back from my run. Maybe next saturday we can get something together. Tuesdays are probably my best day during the week. I don't have class that day except for from 12:30 to 1:30. This thursday I don't have a lab so I will be out at 11:30. Other than that I'm done around 3.

How's it going Scott? Hope to see you at a few races this summer. I won't be at the Freeze your buns 5K since I'm trying to run the striders winter circuit. Awesome job at the Mesquite marathon, by the way. I though about running that one. Just to many races!

I'm lurking, watching you. Good job.

Nice workout! You're in great shape! Ready for some fast 5Ks, eh?

Nan, thanks, I am trying to get a jump on speed work this year, we will see. I may run a 5K this weekend to see where I am at. My big spring goal is to do well at the Bolder Boulder. I really hope you and Aaron are still planning to run it!

nice job scott. great start to the season.

Good job. I'll see you at the Shamrock Shuffle.

Hey, nice job! Glad to see you had a good race.

By the way, shouldn't it be the Big Three? :)

Nice Job! Congrats on beating Kieth. Looks like you guys are in for some good competition in the age group this season.

Congrats on a fast time and a nice 3rd place finish!

thanks guys! hope to see you all at the shamrock shuffle on March 13!

Awesome run!! your diligence this winter is paying off. I can't wait to see how well you will do later in the season!

is it spring break yet? I am so over this semester already ;-).

I'm with you there Scott. I've been wondering what the point is lately too. I mostly love running for the every day energizing effect of how good it feels to exercise my body, but having goals and pushing myself too hard can sometimes take the fun out of it.

Hang in there, guys! Spring is coming soon. Take a week off or reduce your training if you need to reenergize. Maybe once your big races get closer you will feel more competitive desire.

Yup, been there, done that. "Downhill" with the huge headwind. Afternoon run?

Take a week off? I am thinking of taking a month off and just sitting in front of the TV eating crunch berries and drinking mountain dew and getting fat and lazy...

Jon, noon time, I wasn't expecting the wind then. Maybe it is a sign spring is coming (wishful thinking)?

OK, I will re-group for tomorrow!!

HAHA - sorry to laugh at your misery, but you have to admit your dramatic throwing in the towel comment sounds kind of funny from our perspective. Don't give up yet!

And also, asking what is the point is probably a valid question to ask. Certainly if you do it for fun or enjoyment, then running a certain pace is not required for that. If you do it solely to improve upon your times, you may be discouraged a lot more. I get a lot of joy out of my slow days...maybe you just need to ratchet down your expectations sometimes. (I know that sounds like a slacker thing to do...but it does have the ability to help with the enjoyment factor in some cases. Also, you probably don't want to listen to me if you have any inclination of winning things or being the fastest, because I have no clue about that stuff.)

I do kind of sound like a drama queen, don't I :-)

Setting goals is actually the only thing that keeps me running consistently, otherwise I slack off as I am inherently lazy. So I set moderate yet challenging goals for myself well aware of my limitations: I am getting old, I am too heavy and tall to be a really good runner, and I have bad feet for running, and weak calves and shins. But that just makes it all the funner to try to excel with my limitations I guess!

Hey, welcome to 'non-stealth' mode...you're going public with your name now, congrats!

Aaron, I actually would have done that long ago if I had known how. when I signed up for the blog I didn't know the difference between blog nickname and web nickname so just used the nickname redrooster for both. then it kind of dawned on me that there must be someway to change the blog name to the real name and using my high tech computer skills I made the change in blog options. I was afraid my blog might blow up or something as a result so was pleased to see it worked , I should have known Sasha had it figured out.

Isn't that what grad students are for?

no,they have to stay at the lab bench and generate mass quantities of biochemical data so I can publish papers and get my NIH grant renewed. Therein lies my problem- too many things I would like to do, but in reality I have to focus on my research, teaching, and scientific service (NIH review board, journal editorial boards). So really, at the end of the day I have no time left to learn web programming,though I would really like to. But I may hire a really good undergrad from engineering to help me this summer using some of the money I get for teaching my distance education class.

I wish I didn't have to work on my dissertation so I could have the time to help you. And I wish I knew enough PHP. The class sounds great though. Tell you what...you get me hired as a professor in the CS department (I already applied), and I'll help you with it. If not, maybe you can hire Sasha to work on it in between lying on a tennis ball (see Discussion Forum)? :)

Steve, if you come to USU we can collaborate on things like this! too bad I don't have any muscle in the CS department to pull some strings. but then again I don't have much of any muscle anywhere here. I hope they hire you, would be great to have you here. keep me posted.

there are only a few windows of time to run on that track without it being a zoo---too early and you run into all the ROTC guys. too late and you hit the walking social hour. and later than that you hit track practice. that is why it should just be warm out.

I thought all the people who set New Year's Resolutions to walk on the track would have given up by now...

Sheesh, you say it like it was piece of cake! Those are great times.

seriously, that's a solid workout!

Is Bear Lake frozen solid? It used to freeze every year when I lived there as a kid. Good run.

Holy cow! Nice run!

HEY, with running speeds like that, you should have no problem making fast derby cars! Sorry you have to, I mean GET to, make two!

Have a good weekend!

thanks Kelli, maybe I should try lubricating my legs with graphite lubricant, that seems to be the key to making the derby cars go fast!

I could also try taping quarters to the bottom of my shoes- since that works with derby cars it also ought to help with running?

Well, I dunno about running, but thanks for the derby tips! We have not tried the quarter trick.

Wow, 73 and 74 are speedy!

sorry to hear about the calf issues...bummer.

That's quite the closet full of shoes your acquiring there!

Does your form/stride change much when you wear different types of shoes?

I try to maintain the same form, but the heavy cushioned shoes with big heels are designed for heel striking making it hard not to. Heel striking is a lot less stress on the calves, but causes shin splints and tibial tendonitis for me. Best solution I think is just to stay off pavement and concrete, but here in Logan we have few options in that regard unless you go into the mountains and trail run. My ideal running location would be Corvallis Oregon and the logging roads/dirt trails there.

I like your shoe analysis. I am coming to some of the same conclusions myself. When my achilles and calves are tight, its definitely easier to run in more cushioned shoes. But it is easier to keep good form in flatter shoes.

Great run!

i love the nike frees, but they wear out so fast. i would say they have half the life of my other shoes. i am interested to hear how your sawing project goes.

nice running today.

Allie, I haven't decided if I like the free yet or not. Does it wear out because of the grooves, I can see how they could split or tear. I am going to take my old mizuno precisions and carve them into a free and see what happens. they are retired anyway so no harm done if I wreck them.

Shamrock shuffle 5K this saturday at Skyview high- only 5 bucks and one buck off if you wear something green- are you interested in running it?

in my case, yes, they literally ripped. the backs tore within 200 miles and a few of the grooves split pretty deep within 400 miles or so. they became my "floppers". i really like how they feel though.

as for the shamrock shuffle...tempting, especially for only 5 bucks. i'll see what my work schedule holds for the weekend. i really need to get a good time trial in, but i am just so terrified of 5Ks! hopefully i will see you there.

Interesting commentary on the Frees. I've never had them but am considering getting some. I just have so many pairs of shoes its hard to rationalize paying money for a new pair when I can just keep rotating through 5 really old pair that feel flat but still have good soles on them.

Good luck in the 5k this weekend, Scott. Allie, you should totally do it too.

Nice job rooster. Those don't sound too shabby to me.

thanks Burt! I am hoping to get my one mile intervals down to 5:35 by middle of May. we shall see. right now I don't see how it will be possible.

so when are you coming up to Utah to run a race so we can finally meet? still bummed I missed you in Mesquite.

Hopefully I'll be selected to run St. George this year. I know that's on the opposite side of Utah from you. Oh, I forgot. I'm doing Ragnar Wasatch Back. Are you on a team? Other than that, I get invites to all the Utah races from Mary Ann's facebook. I usually respectfully decline, although I'd love to do more downhill races.

St George- is the lottery open? I will enter it! thanks for reminding me!!

No relays for me. I want to run some fast shorter runs this spring, and then take a good portion of the summer off from running to hike, canoe and camp with the kids.

i like your 1 mile course. is it mostly flat?

burt - count on me being at the wasatch back and SG marathon. not to run. just to watch you. from the bushes.

I have the goosebumps now. Not the excited anticipation kind. The creepy scary kind.

Allie, yes, it is pretty much completely flat, and no traffic either which makes it nice. let me know if you want to join me sometime. It is a lot harder to do one mile intervals alone, that may be part of my problem, I need some motivational company. we will have to resume our track workouts soon now that the track is clear.

i am definitely up for an outdoor track workout. i need to get off of that fieldhouse track.

i like the idea of doing mile repeats on a point-to-point course rather than laps or loops. seems like it might be a little less painful, at least mentally.

i agree about the difficulty of doing intervals alone...especially 1-milers. that is my least favorite interval distance. so hard.

wow, i ran a VERY similar route today, although i went a little further west to elk ridge park. it's a great day for running.

yes, it was nice to have crisp clean air today, I guess it makes up for the cold weather. we must have missed each other by a couple hours as I waited for the weather to warm up to get out and run, me being cold blooded and all!

nice race, scott. sorry i ditched out; numerous things got in the way this morning. sounds like it was fun though. way to run out in that crazy snow-wind-mix-fun.

Nice race Scott! Good time for that tough course. Getting better with every race. Too bad you didn't get any hardware. Better run faster next time.

I agree with Cody. If you want some hardware, you need to beat Paul.

Nice job on a fast 5K and a bunch of miles!

Great race! I hope someday to run as fast as you. Maybe when I'm 48 and you're 63.

Congrats on another good race! I hope I can run as fast as you someday too but I guess I won't have age in my favor like Steve. At least I will escape you in the age group for a couple of years.

I didn't envy you heading out for those last 2 miles in the blizzard.

thanks guys! Cody and Allie, sorry you couldn't make it today, hope to see you at the next one. was nice to have Paul and Dave to run with after. Are you still running Riverton, Allie?

Dave- that last 1.5 was indeed no fun. the weather service said the wind was 20 mph by then with gusts to 28. brrr!!

Good race. Sorry I kept you around so that you had to run in a blizzard.

Paul, I actually had a really great time running in that blizzard, I love weather like that deep down inside. and I always enjoy the few chances I get to run with fellow bloggers, wish I could join you guys more often. great way to spend the morning, so thanks!!

Sounds like a fun time. Nice job, Scott.

Considering the concern about the calf, I would say those are some pretty solid miles. Keep up the hard work.

thanks Adam!

Looks like you are doing some good running this spring!

That's a quick pace there for a training run, way to go. You're going to kick my butt at the bolder boulder...

how are you liking the free's by the way?

Thanks--I haven't made up my mind on the free's yet. partly because I am fighting a shin splint and dual calf problems at the same time and trying to figure out what shoes are contributing to the problems... I am pretty sure the shin splint is from the heavy rigid trainers I have used for my long runs. but I can't rule out the frees. I want to get my calves healed so I can get back in the fives and 790s full time. the calf problem is becoming very frustrating. oh well, come Saturday we will see what I've got!

Wowsers, how speedy!! Congrats on the over 40 take!! : D

Nice time on a touch course!

Scott Congrats on a great race! I think you were right on my tail the first six miles you did great.

Congrats on a strong half!

thanks guys! Matt- I posted to your report. geez I was frustrated I couldn't stay with you, I was really trying to catch you but it was not to be today. I am doing SLC half, maybe we can meet at the start and try to pace off each other for awhile if I can get in good enough shape by then to stay with you, but you definitely have the edge now. Let's touch base before then if you are interested.

Great job on the race!!! I think the course is super tough, so times are always a little slower. Darn that construction and wind!

Your map is good. I do think that you might have missed the last portion of the trail, I think you have you paralleling the neighborhood roads, but the trail veers West. At About mil 8.5, you can see a round-a-bout on the map, then the trail is west of that. Can you see it??? I have run that route SO many times, I am an expert. ;o)

Not that any of that matters, BTW!!!

oh yeah, no wonder my course distance ran long on gmap, saying 13.2. I actually remember that round about. that is the first time I have run the parkway. I plan to be back next year for this race, I thought it was pretty fun!

Great job on the age division win. and 8th place overall.

Scott, it was fun seeing you on 1300 West early in the race before I had to get to other duties. Nice run, you smoked Ostler!

Well, the fact you could even find the parkway on satellite is impressive!

I agree, it is one of the best organized races I have ever run, and that was last year----the FIRST year. This year was amazing. I wonder if they will go back to the old course or keep this one???

I vote for this for this year's course. Starting and ending at the same place is a big bonus and helps with crowd control. Don't you think?

I do like how they start and finish were at the same place, and this years finish line is a much bigger park (good thing, with twice as many runners)! Riverton City would not let them finish there last year due to baseball starting on the same day. But this year they gave in because of the construction on the trail. I guess we will have to wait and see.

The original course was easier at mile 4. You did climb a .2 steep hill, but then you got to run DOWN what you guys ran up this year. Other than that, I do not think there is a huge difference. You got to finish the race running down the hill behind the pool (this year it was just after mile 5), but I actually thought that was hard at the end of a race.

I did not race this years course, but I ran it twice to help with measuring it. I think either course has goods and bads. The number one fight they had was with the Sheriffs Department having to cross runners on 12600 South twice, they did not want to do that. Now that they have, maybe they will see that it was not so bad!

I think it is a great course and they should stick with it. I too like races that start and stop at the same place. It is a hassle to shuttle, unless it is some big time race. But I prefer the smaller folksy ones like this one anyway. There are too many downhill races in northern Utah already, I like that this is an honest course and not aided.

In retrospect I would have liked to run the course ahead of time to see what I was in for. I wasn't planning on the hills, thought it would be fairly flat, so psychologically I got a little intimidated when I descended onto the parkway and realized I had to come back up again and didn;t know what the hills would look like. But now that I know, no problem, I will be ready for next year!

Dang, if I had known, I would have given you a good description! It is a tough course, and very well done, and small, and just plain one of the best!!!

I love the hill on the trail, it is the S-curve that kicks my fanny every time. In fact, every time we run it I walk it. The only time I ever actually ran it was the race last year. I hate that thing.

I heard so many people call it an HONEST course. I was not sure what they meant, but now I get it.

Okay, no more talk about this race. We do not want to make it too popular!!! They have to cap it at 500 anyway, and they were close this year.

recovery is good. nice intervals, especially in the wind. that was SOME wind today. great job on saturday, BTW. sounds like it was a fun race!

it's freezing outside too. i hate winter in spring.

yeah, that was the only bright side of water running, watching it snow outside through the window. sigh.

Yuck. Sorry you guys are still having snow. I hate water running too. And swimming. I always freeze. My kids are lucky I ever take them swimming although they'd like to go more often then I agree to. If only we lived near some hot springs or if the pools would keep their water closer to hot tub temperature. That would be nice.

I am dumb, so explain. Tinman?

you know, the wizard of oz!!

I think there is actually a guy named tinman who coined it. just a tempo run that is supposed to be a sort of "easy" tempo, faster than marathon goal pace by maybe 15 seconds per mile or something.

the tinman runs used to be open access, now I guess you have to register. here is the link if you are interested:

http://www.therunzone.com/

then here are some of the articles/ideas Paul Petersen recommended to me:

http://www.therunzone.com/ntrz/?page_id=17

http://www.therunzone.com/ntrz/?page_id=87

http://www.therunzone.com/ntrz/?page_id=15

http://www.therunzone.com/ntrz/?page_id=65

He says he gets a lot of his training ideas here so they must be good.

Yes, I know the Wizard of Oz (almost by heart), but the tinman is no runner!!!

Thanks for those links. I will look at them. if you two do them, they must be GOOD!!!!

Noticed you live in Providence. My relatives live there. Do you know any Kohlers? Aunts, uncles and cousins some you may not care to know!!! Anyway goodluck with your running.

don't know any Kohlers but I will keep my eye open for them! hope you can come down and run one of our races that go through providence sometime. you should come do top of utah. good luck with that BQ!

What's so blah about that? sounds great.

Gotta love the tower of terror.

Nice job!

thanks, it is hot here!! but I am not complaining!

Do it.

why not? sounds like it would be fun. nothing to lose, right?

hey that was fast, thanks Allie. I am going to go to the expo right now and then decide. do you want me to get you anything? nice new free shoes BTW. I do have my frees with me- would that be a good 5K shoe do you think? I have never done any speedwork in them.

i think the frees are a great 5K shoe. i did numerous 5Ks in my old ones a few years back and never had any problems. i guess it depends on what you are used to racing in, though. good luck if you decide to run it.

Have a safe trip back, whatever you decided.

nice spur-of-the-moment race! great time on the road trip as well. sounds like you had a fun week.

Not too shabby for an old man!

I agree. That is pretty awesome for an old man! Especially after the hard 15 miler yesterday.

Dennis is amazing. I think the AG record he broke was his own from 2 years ago at 14:47. He's not too shabby for an old man either.

thanks guys!

old man... now I feel much better... thanks Cody..

Dave- watching Dennis and the lead pack was fun. the course is kind of neat because you get a view of the leaders at two turns. the difference between an 18 minute and 15 minute 5K is a quantum leap, I don't know how these guys do it. talent, dedication, drive I guess. pretty impressive.

Nice job, too bad about getting stuck behind folks. Still sounds like fun. I saw Dennis' result yesterday, and am amazed by him. I've been amazed by him for the last 8 years, since I've moved here. The guy just is not slowing down.

Great job, Scott! Sounds like a fun race and trip.

I love that picture Scott. Nice run.

Great race Scott! You took a minute off your prediction, right? That would be a hard race to do with that many runners. Dennis set an american masters record last month in the 10K as well. He is on game this year!

Paul, I am in awe of Dennis, I wish I could run like that! Steve- I really wanted to run 17:30, was kind of sandbagging my hoped for time. It was a great race just to experience and have a good time, I learned a lot about strategy and can improve next time. Probably in two years when I am 50, as I will be at the bottom of an age bracket then instead of nearing the top.

Also Steve- I will be doing the SLC half with a friend in SLC- do you need a shuttle to the top before or after?

That's a pretty good time for a spur of the moment race. Nice job. Love the picture.

That is a lot of money, though- I really don't like paying more than $3 per mile, or $5 max!

Jon, yeah, it would have been a little cheaper if I had had the foresight to sign up in January. tremonton turkey trot was the best deal I have run. 30 cents a mile, including a t-shirt, and a turkey for winning the age group! we should all go down this fall and sweep the turkeys.

Scott, I wish I was running the SLC half. Not within my budget this year. It's a fun course. You'll probably like it, except for the uphill in mile 12. I'm due for a PR in a half though, so I need to run one sometime.

That is a crazy fast race. How do they draw so many people to this 5k??

Glad you had a great time on your trip. I am amazed at the fact you made it with so few stops on the way home. How did you do that? Did you pack food????

Kelli, this race holds the men's and women's 5K road race world records so is the most famous 5K out there. They pay big prize money too to attract the elite runners. Subsidized by us folks running in steerage of course!

Our kids travel well, we have them trained for long hauls. DVDs, books, gameboys.. and yes we carry food too, saves $$ and time. We don't always highball it this fast but I had to get them back for a school night.

I am impressed! We have all the toys and TV going, and we pack food and water, yet we end up stopping constantly!!!!

Cool to be part of such a "famous" race!

nice workout, especially so soon after a race. way to stick it out through the storm. do you know if the speed group that was meeting last summer/fall is still in existence?

Allie, thanks. our USU group has kind of fallen apart as of late but hopefully will get back on track (pun?) soon. What's your schedule like these days? we need to start doing some trackwork together, alot easier than doing it alone.

Wow, Scott! Great time. You really didn't drop off that much at the end. That 7:00 mile is understandable due to the hill on State St. You wouldn't think it would be that hard, but it's at a difficult point in the race. I see you breaking 1:20 for sure this year.

Great job Scott. I thought I had a chance of beating you today, but I ended up about 22 minutes behind you. Oh well, maybe never! :-)

Great run Scott!!! Boy are you putting in some great SW!! so do you think this course is easier than Riverton or are you just speedier in the past few weeks?

Good job. That's pretty quick!

Hey Scott, great race to you too. I know what you mean, I had hoped to hang with Steve for a while today and actually went out in under 5:20. But I could barely see him on the horizon!Anyway, 1:22 is a solid effort and you are definitely improving. Maybe I'll meet you after a race soon.

Wow...very nice time out there for a half. Way to go.

Nice race Scott -

You are a racing machine lately!

You're turning into Walter, with tons of great race performances!

Scott, it was nice spending the morning with you guys. I totally lost you in that mad, crazy pre-marathon crowd. That mile up State street kicked all our butts. I have 4 really good blisters to show for the day as well!

Nicely done my friend. Good luck with those well earned blisters.

thanks for the nice comments guys!!

Steve P- did they add that State street hill last year? I ran this in 2008 and could swear the route didn't go up that hill? I wasn't counting on it anyway,ouch.

Julie, I think this course is easier than Riverton with the net elevation drop, but the downhills make it tough on the legs. But I think I have improved a bit in the last 3 weeks (I hope).

Steve A - I lost my Riverton friends at the start too, had to head to the trees like you, then avoid getting arrested for crossing the trax tracks. Bad bad starting line logistics with the tracks and chain link fences. They really ought to do some kind of wave start probably.

Great race Scott! Nice to get those mile splits on the Garmin. I ran the 5k there a few years ago which followed the last 3 miles of the marathon course and it was very flat. Must have been a course change.

Yeah, I think last year was the first time they had the hill at the end. Driving up State St it doesn't seem as hilly as when you're running it at the end of a half. But looking at the TOU half, it also appears to have a good hill in mile 12. ARe you running that this year? I'm thinking of doing it.

I knew that hill had to be new! Maybe I am not crazy afterall.

Steve, I don't know if I will do TOU half this year, though it is a really good race and you should definitely put it on the list if you are doing a fall marathon, and you can stay at my place which is in Providence near the finish and bus pickup. I am thinking of taking a break from "training" style running after memorial day so I can just enjoy the summer: camp, hike, bike, heal my calves and shin. I have already over-raced this year I think.

Nice job rooster! Sorry you slowed down there at the end, but you were so far ahead of most everyone else anyway.

LOL JD! You almost had him.

Scott, Sorry I didn't hook up with you at the start but I was off to a very late start. I was super impressed when I saw your name on the 1/2 board. I think I want to try the half next time. I did the 5K in 2006 and it was easier then. That Marathon is a bear but you would do awesome. Let me know what other races your doing down this way. If nothing else I am running St. George and I am planning on Hobble Creek. Congrats again.

Congrats to your brother. Maybe next year when you run it you'll get the headwind you so desire. Er, or whatever it is you want.

Burt, the reason there was no head wind this year is of course because I wasn't there. If I had been there Murphy's law says it would have been cold, raining, with a 20mph northeast wind. The bloggers owe me a big favor for staying away.

I meant to say, very nice half on Saturday. I've just not had much blogging time.

Hey Scott, don't blame everything on me! :)

Rob, just think how famous you are having your own law. I've been doing science for 27 years and still have no law named after me!

That's funny Scott. You're still a young man though.

Okay Scott, I filled out my Bolder Boulder registration form today. Lets hope I can keep my hamstring/groin healthy and get running fast again. What time are we shooting again?

scott - are you planning on a speed workout tomorrow? it appears as though i will be up all night working on a paper, so i have no idea what my schedule will be like tomorrow (i may hibernate all day). but let me know if you are planning on it and i might be able to join you. i really need a good speed workout to let out the frustrations!!

Nan, great, it will be fun! I think I am stuck at 37:30-38 in the 10K, but I think you can run faster than that? I am hoping you will give me a motivational boost.

Allie- I am planing on getting out around 9-9:30 from work... do you have any time in there? I have to be back for appointments starting at 11:30AM. How's that paper editing (i.e. rewriting) going?

Still, nice workout. I feel the same way. Except I have a harder time breaking 6:00 than you. Maybe tonight I'll do some intervals if it's not too windy.

Are you using Tinman's stuff based on flat 5k pace? Or do you make an adjustment for the course? I almost never run 5ks so it is difficult for me to know my 5k pace. I hope to do more as I transition back from pool running.

Paul, I just have the chart from the Tinman web site, I assume it is for a fairly flat course, though most of the 5Ks I have done have had some hills,and all have been loops (no downhills). I ran a couple 17:45 5Ks last fall but am now back around 18:00-18:45. I am doing another for fun tomorrow, school fundraiser. I am kind of experimenting with running lots of short races as part of training, we will see if it pays off or not. Look forward to seeing you out of the pool soon!!

Blah back at ya!

Nice race! Quick out of the blocks, wait for the youngster to die out and cruise to a first place finish! Love it!

You're your own worst critic. Great job.

Way to go out fast and keep the high schooler at bay.

Hey those splits don't look too bad considering the elevation changes. And a win is never something to whine about. :)

Those splits look like a classic me race. I've had many 5K races like that where I went out too fast, and at about mile 2 i'm completely sucking wind and my wife blows by me to crush me by 30+ seconds. I could imagine it all too well unfortunately.

I kind of doubt I'm making it into the A wave at the Bolder Boulder at this point...I may still give it a shot at an upcoming 5K, but we'll see. It would be cool to run in your wave, but I doubt I would be keeping up with you anyway.

I look forward to seeing your 20K post.

nice work!

thanks, I should have seen if you had time for some speedwork today, bummer. It is really hard for me to do intervals alone. I went early to beat the predicted windstorm and also because of meetings. weather looks to be turning bad later today.

I'll vouch for the fact that the wind was a beast today. I did my intervals in the Fieldhouse though, so it was only my tempo run that was affected.

Someday maybe I'll be brave enough to actually visit a track. Nice job.

Well, you are certainly in good shape speed-wise Scott... it is so hard to judge how much you should hold back with this type of course - regardless, it was a good effort and a good training run -- and I think indicative of good things to come this summer!!

Nice job!

I'm jealous. I'll be in Madison for two weeks this summer. You'll have to learn me some routes. Last year I stuck to the Lake Shore path. I was staying on Lake Mendota. Wisconsin in the summer is beautiful.

Hey Scott, are you going to be running Health Days saturday? I'm going to hit the 10K I think for a pre Ogden workout

There's so many cool places to run in Utah. All I got is my Wal Mart loop and neighborhood loop. Boring.

Steve, I haven't decided about smithfield.I am pretty burned out on racing right now. Let me think it over and let you know.

Burt- actually the run on this page in in Madison Wisconsin. That's where my parents live and I grew up. I just got back tonight from a Wisconsin Iowa seminar circuit for work. lots of fun..

How was WI? Did you see blogger Jason?

Burt, wisconsin was nice though it was a hectic trip. I also went down to u of iowa to give a seminar. nice and warm and green back there, it is snowing here in Utah.

didn't meet Jason, whats his blog name?

http://jason.fastrunningblog.com/

I agree about the condition of the track facilities. Absolutely deplorable. Heck, I've seen high school tracks, in Utah, that are better than our track here. Why can't we build something like BYU's mondo track? It doesn't have to have as nice of a press box and stands or whatever, but at least make the track respectable...

Wow what a race! Three people finishing that close to each other in a 10k? Exciting.

Nice racing! That does sound like a strong field. And what's with the 13 yr. old coming in that fast? Whew, youth!

Nice job Scott! It was fun watching that sprint between you and Keith at the end. That was a long fast sprint. It looked painful.

Nice job and way to hold off Keith!

Burt, it was indeed close, and with another 100 yards and i would have beat that 13 year old kid! geez how pathetic does that sound?

JD- I was pretty amazed by the 13 year old. Keith and I were reeling him in at the end but he stepped it up to hold us off. pretty amazing.

Dave- it was indeed as painful as it looked. I am paying for it now. ouch.

Steve- thanks, we still need to run a race together. maybe I will reconsider and do DN 10K if you run it. My feet need will need fresh blisters by then anyway.

You're a racing machine lately! nice job sprinting to the end.

Nice running with you again, Scott. I keep getting asked by people if I know that fast professor that runs and at first I didn't know who it was. That's what is so cool about this blog.

Sounds unique and fun. Great job Professor!

"that fast professor".... I have someone fooled somewhere.. more like the "wishes he was fast professor". but a nice compliment none the less.

Aaron and Nan- thanks- and see you in three weeks. Based on my performances to date I don't think this is going to be a spectacular BB for me but I will do my best. I will consider myself fortunate to run just under 38:00. that's my best BB time anyway- exactly 38:00. a 37:30 would be great.

If Ensign says he's hoping for a 37:30, I'm guessing he'll do a 36:00.

the rain is crazy today and so are you. nice workout in the tough conditions.

Plus you pushed through all those hills...

Allie and Burt, thanks, I appreciate the encouragement, I really felt like throwing it in today, but my stubbornness made me go out in this mess and suffer. I must be nuts or something. But it is still more enjoyable than the indoor track or a treadmill I guess.

Did you like how I compared the USU track to hills?

You should have emailed me. I am going out later today to do some intervals. I might do 2000s though. I'm hoping the weather dies down.

Joe, dang, I almost did email you, then I figured you were too smart to go down there in this weather. I could have used the company. How about next week Tuesday- do you have your work schedule yet?

Burt, as the supreme ruler of the facebook FRB united club (or whatever it is called) you should organize a drive to raise money to buy us a new track. we really need one. badly.

Knowing me I'd probably embezzle the money and use it to buy macho burritos at Del Taco.

nicely done. i was running in the island area this afternoon as well.

did you get confronted by a pit bull? I got a nice "visit" from a pitbull on my run. I left the details of that out of my entry. I really hate pitbulls though this one didn't seem intent on attacking, just scared me to death.

actually...yes. it was in a front yard with its owner, though. still...i didn't want to take any chances so i crossed the street. the owner gave me this look like "what is your problem, it won't hurt you"

Allie, interesting, it must have been the same one. It came out after me and chased me, but didn't attack, but I still had to stop, and it wouldn't leave, and I wasn't going to turn my back on it. I had to yell at the owner to come get him back, and it took several attempts before he would even do that. And of course I didn't have my CI so the whole exchange with the owner was one sided, with me not being overly happy about the whole thing. grr..... where did I put that runners pepper spray I bough last year?

What...no race this weekend? That's not like you lately ;) Or maybe you did and just haven't posted it yet.

Nan signed me up for the Bolder Boulder, I'm a couple waves back from you though. Which is where I'm sure I belong at this point.

Except that I think I nearly or possibly did break my foot yesterday by slamming it into a rock twice in the same spot, so I'm hoping its not broken and the swelling goes away this week so I can actually run the Bolder Boulder (not to mention the 50K I have planned the next weekend.)

Aaron, sorry about the foot. Ouch. Better get it looked at if it doesn't improve soon.

I used this weekend to carry out a huge yard project, hurting my back in the process. Heavy lifting is not good for me.

Looking forward to seeing you guys in two weeks!

It looks like it will probably be ok, the swelling is mostly gone today and its less sore. I'm pretty sure I just jammed it really hard...

Heavy lifting is not good for me either...hope its not too bad.

it hurts pretty bad but no worse than the usual post heavy lifting backpain. oh well. to add insult to injury I rolled the little steep dolley wheel on the front of my utility trailer I was using to haul dirt over my right foot as I was moving it. that hurt pretty good too. I hope my toes are OK. overall not a great day.

oh well. just flesh wounds I guess.

Thanks for your comment on my blog. I dream of the day that I could run an 'easy' 7:40 pace.

thanks Jim, are you going to come up to Logan and run the first dam run again this fall? I run that every year, will be great to meet you if you can make it up. Hope the marathon recovery is going well!!

Nice mile repeats!

thanks Nan. just 11 more days, I feel like I need another month of training.

happy anniversary. crazy rain! where did it come from? sorry you had to run at the fieldhouse, but at least it's summer so the student circus isn't so bad. nice workout today.

thanks Allie, yes, this band of rain kind of ruined my day's plans. and now it has stopped!! grr.

you should come run the Bolder Boulder with me and Nan. It is going to be really entertaining. I am going to try to run as fast as she and her running republic buddies can for as far as I can then self destruct and get left in the dust. I figure I am good for about a mile.

i was actually seriously considering bolder boulder for awhile, but i know i am not ready. i wouldn't even last 1/4 mile at those paces. i think i am set on the blacksmith fork freedom run though.

Bolder Boulder is very fun, although it is also a very challenging course (at least for me). you should think about doing it next year if not this year.

I might do BF freedom run, but probably just for fun as I am really tired of running races. I kind of overdid it this spring.

I stayed close to Nan yesterday. Well, I stood by her.

Very nice running last week Mister speedy pants! I bet your Monday weather was crazy, can not wait to see if you ventured out!!!

I forgot to mention this year I will be running the TOU half again (promised my Uncle I would do it if he would train) and then I am going to pace a friend through her first marathon at TOU. Maybe we will meet....

Thanks Kelli, making a last ditch effort to get some speed for next monday's big race. one more interval day and that will be it, too little too late probably.

looking forward to seeing you at TOU half. we live just a half mile from the finish. we should have a bloggers party afterwards at my place!

There ya go! There was a tasty ice cream place very close to the finish line as I recall...

that was probably Caspers?

this year we can do USU aggie ice cream at my place!

Caspers, that was it! It was good. I got them to make mine as big as they would agree to!!! Walter's wifes family owns it or something.

the weather is relentless. nice job.

Hey those look pretty darn good to me! I think your training for BB is done for the better.

SO exciting Scott the BB is going to be GREAT!! You and Nan are going to rock!

thanks Nan and Bonnie! I will give it my best. I am hoping to stay on a 6 minute per mile pace as long as I can. tricky with the hills and turns on that course but we will see.

we will have to take some blogger pictures at the end. I'll have my wife bring a camera to the finish.

Good luck on the race! I'm sure you can hold 6:00 pace.

Yeah, those splits are looking AWESOME to me. You're going to clobber me at the bOlder Boulder. My training for it has been as follows: Run, maybe twice per week, each time straight up a mountain. Not exactly 10k training material...oh well, it will be fun anyway. By the way...my race bib for Bolder Boulder says A501, which looks like they put me in the A wave I think...Maybe we'll start out together after all. I'm sure that's about all it will be though, because I'm not shooting for any sub 38, I would stoked to do sub 40 at this point.

Steve and Aaron, thanks! looking forward to seeing you guys on Monday Aaron. I'll look for bib 501 and the five fingers!!

Good luck in Boulder!

You are looking so good. I'm finally starting to feel healthy.

Nice meeting you, Scott! How was your picnic in Eldorado Canyon? And did you take your wife to the Mediterranean? See you tomorrow morning!

Look forward to meeting you in the morning, its going to be a fun race!

Nan, nice meeting you too. Eldorado canyon was fun, we did a nice hike, but longer and steeper than I should have right before the BB. the kids just kept going motoring ahead, they love to hike, and we had to chase them down or they would have kept going forever. yikes. we did go to mediterranean for dinner, busy but very nice.

Aaron, it is indeed going to be fun, at least for the first mile or two... see you tomorrow morning!

Nice race today Scott!! sorry, couldn't wait till you posted to tell you!! I hope you were happy, your splits looked good and you were in control!!

nice job scott. i am excited to read about your race. what a great opportunity to meet ryan hall. i love the photo too! safe travels back to utah.

thanks Bonnie and Allie!! after looking at the splits for the pro race, I feel much better about mine. check these out, very interesting:

http://bolderboulder.onlineraceresults.com/results/elitewomen.txt

http://bolderboulder.onlineraceresults.com/results/elitemen.txt

Hooray for a fun race! Have a family fun weekend!

Hard to be too disappointed when you can beat, literally, 99.5% of the field. Nice race.

Take care of the tweak!!! Glad to hear that you have had a fun weekend with the family and that you got to meet the infamous NAN. Sounds like a great race.

Cool and descriptive report Scott. Great meeting you out there and fantastic job in the race! That was an ambitious goal you had and you came close...those hills in mile 2-4 definitely add up when trying to hold a 6 min. pace I'm sure. I'm inspired by your speed for your age group. Have fun in steamboat and a safe trip home.

Great job Rooster! 3rd in your AD??? Very nice indeed!

Nice job, Rooster! It's amazing to me how high you placed in the race. You've convinced me to run BB sometime. Can't imagine what it would be like to run a race that almost has as many runners as could fit in BYU's football stadium.

Nice job! That,s a sweet time even though it wasn't quite what you wanted. 3rd in the age group is pretty impressive.

nice race scott! hope your calf is okay.

thanks guys! I just checked the BB results page and they strangely moved me into the mens 47 age group though they initially had me in mens 48 where I belong (and they had my birthday right, apparently they can't do math on the second try). the top 48 year old came in at 37:49, if I had run 15 seconds faster i could have won the mens 48, bummer!!.

Nice race report Scott. You are kicking butt this year. How's the leg this week?

thanks Steve. my calf smmes fine now, seems to recover faster now that I have been exercising it, stretching, and wear my calf/shin supports. knock on wood.

I noticed in yesterdays paper that there's a 5k in Providence this Sat. Are you running it?

just read your report. I wasn't up for this anyway, I am completely and utterly burned out on racing, and still too sore anyway. I am thinking of taking up a new hobby.

Sorry it didn't go as well as you hoped. I found out that the USU CS department didn't hire anyone. So I guess I can't feel too bad about not getting an interview. Or maybe that should make me feel worse. :)

great workout.

Pretty darn consistent!

thanks Allie and Bonnie, glad to have this one done, these tempo runs are always tough for me for some reason.

7 mile tempo run??? That is LONG, isn't it? Maybe I am just a wimp. Anyway, great speeds! You are so darn fast I am in speed envy.

thanks Kelli! I think I was doing some of my best running last fall after some 10 mile tempos at 6:30 pace so am trying to get back there. I recall Paul saying he believes in long tempos and I kind of rely on anything he says. it is a good challenging workout for sure.

He is smart! I think the longest I have done is a 5 miler (and, of course, nowhere near that pace!)

You are looking great. Thanks for your encouragement.

PV=nRT=LOL

Nice training! I can't seem to get in the groove for this next race Saturday. Two marathons this close now seems pretty stupid..

Crazy stuff. Glad they caught the guy. Hope you start feeling better in your running soon.

wow. that is scary; very scary. i'm glad they caught the guy. i live in the town where the disgruntled biology teacher shot her co-workers during a faculty meeting (UAH). the academic world is intense these days.

Steve- thanks, hopefully I will recover in time to give you a run on the 24th.

KP, yeah, the incident in Alabama is exactly what I was thinking about as all this broke. what a tragedy. gotta be watching for signs I guess, but you just never know.

that's crazy stuff. geez.

i agree that doing speedwork alone is not easy. i think even having a "coach" or someone there to take splits gives more incentive to really push it. but what do i know, i haven't done any speedwork in months. i think it's impressive that you do it every week. even if you aren't hitting the times you want to, it is still beneficial and makes you stronger in the long run. literally.

Congrats on the publication!

that was a real page-turner, scott! congrats on the publication.

hey thanks. I KNEW you guys would enjoy reading something that exciting!

bromeo what? read the entire thing...nail biter (in about 8 seconds). Noticed the word running on the first page, right before the word title. Don't think it had anything to do with running...but I noticed that much...also those were some nifty looking graphs at the end.

At my college graduation (Colo School of Mines), they read the title of the thesis for all the Ph.D guys. You could just see everyone's eyes glaze over...

Nice! That's a quality workout.

Nice work.