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Location:

Dogtown,Ut,

Member Since:

Jan 02, 2006

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

PRs: 2:26:29 marathon @ St.George '14; 1:09:55 1/2 mar. '08; 31:00 10k '07

Short-Term Running Goals:

Love running now.

Long-Term Running Goals:

Love running forever!

Personal:

My perfect day would include a run through the desert, time with my wife and girls, tasty homemade meals, and a nice nap in the middle.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Adios Lifetime Miles: 512.25
Rocket 2 Lifetime Miles: 109.00
Kinvara Grey Lifetime Miles: 222.00
Vazee Pace Lifetime Miles: 437.75
Pace Blue Lifetime Miles: 231.75
Boston Lifetime Miles: 520.25
Peg Green Lifetime Miles: 544.00
Speedgoat Lifetime Miles: 325.00
Peg Purple Lifetime Miles: 509.50
Ravenna Lifetime Miles: 525.50
Barefoot '18 Lifetime Miles: 6.75
Levitate Lifetime Miles: 419.50
Peg NOP Lifetime Miles: 380.00
Peg Blue34 Lifetime Miles: 408.25
Solar Glide Lifetime Miles: 210.00
Levitate Black Lifetime Miles: 83.75
Race: Phoenix Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:29:26, Place overall: 4, Place in age division: 1
Total Distance
26.50

Phoenix Marathon 2:29:26

Up early and to the busses.  Ally dropped me off and I walked over to the busses and found Riley and Spencer getting on the bus just as I was, so it was nice to tie in with somebody.  After the long drive down yesterday, Ally and I drove the course last night and I noticed that the first four were pretty nice.  Then the two miles up in the neighborhood, really were a pretty good uphill.  Following which there was another nice section for 2 or 3 miles and then it was flat.  As I drove the long straights, I kept telling myself that it really was flat and that even though I knew it would feel uphill when I was tired, it was flat and I would be okay. We also planned a few places for her to meet me and I hoped she would find them all okay. 

So anyway... got on the bus and up to the start.  It was only just a tiny bit cool at the start and I worried how warm it was going to get warm quick as the sun came up.  Hit a secret bathroom, talked with Jake a little and got to the line.

(Splits are by Garmin - which was on for the first three miles and then got off.  I know that Garmins aren't perfect, but this was the most I was ever off in a marathon.  And on the curvy parts of the race, I was all alone so I took very good tangents.  When we hit halfers, it was on the straights and I didn't really have to dodge much; I just ran outside the cones when necessary.  So what I am saying is that I really suspect the race was a bit long, but it is what it is).

1-5:38, very easy start in the lead group of about 5 of us.  Some dude jumps out in the lead.  2-5:18, Jake and the others start to go a little quicker, using the downhill and I just stick to the back of the group.  3-5:30, we turn off Usery and catch the leader (who I was calling Brooks in my mind because he was wearing a green Brooks singlet and green Connects.  I let Riley, Jake, and Kenyan go up in front of me.  I knew I was in for a long lonely ride.  4-5:31, A guy yells at Brooks to use the downhill and he suddenly sprints past me.  I catch him in 50 meters.  5-5:57, we start uphill and the lead three have put some 20 seconds (a guess) on me.  As we turn a kid comes up along side me (side note #1:  All day I thought it was weird that I just won the 35-39 age division - when the crap did I get so old?  And now as I am typing this I call a early 20's dude a kid!  I guess I am old) and a guy who turns out to be his coach is yelling at him to work the uphill (side note #2: I had named green guy Brooks in my mind and people around me kept yelling, "Go Brooks."  Turns out this kid was named Brooks).  He and I chatted and he was an NAIA kid going for his marathon qualifier.  The time he needed was 2:44.  I thought to myself, "Then you are not in the right place right now."  I urged him to relax and stay with me.  No need to push up these hills.  6-5:50, Ally had met me just past 5 with a water with a Carb Boom (gel) mixed in.  Last night I had thought this was too early, but I am glad I decided too.  It was already hot and I needed liquid and whatever.  I was already taking water at the aid station and soaking my head trying to keep cool before it really got hot.  At the top of the hills, I timed the gap and it was 40 seconds.  7-5:07, making the turn I gave some last parting advice to Brooks and just let the downhill roll.  This was a real cool section of the run (my favorite) and generous as shown by the time.  8-5:14, another nice mile and I notice something, the guys aren't pulling away anymore.  9-5:20, I don't really remember the course as well as SG or whatever, so I kind of forget the miles, but I do remember I just felt amazing through here.  Of course the thoughts go through your head about keeping calm, slowing down for later and such.  But I was just running.  10-5:15+25 secs.  By this time, the watch was reading way off on the miles.  So I hit lap when I passes the official 10 mile mark.  I would guess that from mile 4 on, the watch was reading 5-6 secs. early each mile - so I should keep that in mind when going back to evaluate my splits.  We are on one of the long straights.  Many more to come.  11-5:25, this mile was just a second early and then it started getting off track again.  Ally met me in here with my second water and gel.  She also handed me my hat which I was very happy for.  I had been soaking at every aid station and now I could keep my head wet.  12-5:17, Brooks' coach was leapfrogging me to yell for his kid and he told me I was gaining on the leaders.  They actually were staying the same distance (maybe coming back a few seconds), but it felt good to still have them right there.  13-5:26, I hit the official half at 1:12:03.  I felt very good and was realistically thinking that 5:30 pace was very possible as I knew that the pain would soon be coming, but then I would run a 2:25.  14-5:23, still staying very strong and I felt good about the whole 5:30 thing.  15-5:35+8 secs (reset the watch again to the official markers), but here I started to fade.  16-5:37, tried to tell myself that I was still doing well and that I could bring the time back and all was good.  But I know my body and it was tired.  Ally got me a third water and gel here and also 2 electrolyte pills.  I actually think this saved me a bit.  I wish I would have taken a set just a little earlier and then another set around 19-20.  17-5:36, one last time I see Brooks' coach and he tells me that one has fallen off the pack (around here somewhere).  I start to see Riley up ahead and it gives me a little boast.  18-5:44, but we get into heavy 1/2 traffic and I can't see him anymore.  I really think that if I could have seen him continually, I could have kept a little mental energy.  19-5:46, was hoping to see Ally here but I saw all the road closures and all the runner and driving traffic and realized she wasn't going to make it to our last couple planned stops.  Was bummed because I had a flat Pepsi for that last 10K zip and I wanted a couple more e-caps.  Oh well... it had been neat seeing her along the way - now I was really on my own (even though I was in the midst of many trafficy 1/2'ers.  Although the 1/2 was in the way like usual and they messed up my view of Riley, I only really had 1 situation where someone really messed me up.  An old lady cut right into me and I had to jump to the side not to kill her.  Unfortunately, the jump took me into two other ladies and I had to stop.  They were nice about it, but it was tough to get moving again.  I think that happened here on 20.  20-5:46+10secs to re-adjust to the final 10K, just can't quit get the legs moving fast enough.  21-6:02, bummed to see a +6:00 going into the final 10K.  It kind of shot me into survival mode.  22-5:52, was doing calculations about ending times and things were still looking like sub 2:28 if I could roll out some 5:40-45's.  23-6:00, but not when you do that.  24-6:08, ehhh.  Tired, end it all.  25-6:20, maybe someday I'll learn how to finish a marathon.  26-5:58+28secs to re-adjust again (see, that is what I am talking about - getting of 28 seconds in just 5 miles; that is too much), decided to kind of suck it up and get it going and finish.  There was a downhill here to the final turn and I tried to move it a little.  To tell the truth, I thought this mile would have been quicker.  I must have really been stinking it up before the downhill.  .2-1:25 (5:44 pace), even this was .25 and the 1/2'ers had split to their own side, so no traffic and perfect tangents (I really am not complaining, just working some of this out in my head/in print).  Good thing I did try and pick it up because I kept seeing my watch creep closer and closer to 2:30 and I was thinking I had worked too dang hard for the last 3 months and the last 26 miles to let a sub 2:30 go.   (Adios 93.75)

A couple notes:  my feet got pretty hot.  Don't know if it was the race/heat or the Adios.  It was a warm day, but not brutal.  Obviously, I run in much hotter than this all the time; the difference was that I haven't for many months.  Any days in the upper 50's have seemed very warm - and that has been on easy runs; no hot/warm training runs.  So temps of 50-upper 60's is very warm for me right now.  The long straights are tough on me mentally; always have been.  Need to figure out how to work through that.  And 23 miles solo is no way to run a marathon.

I obviously would have like to had a much quicker time.  I really believe I am in my best shape ever.  But at the same time, I kind of thought I would be about 5 minutes back of Jake and that is about where I was - if I wouldn't have gone 1:17 in the second half and gone more like 1:15 I would have been much happier.  Nonetheless, I am very fine with how it all went.  I have had races that didn't go super great and then let it totally affect me in so many ways.  Today was no different; things could have gone better.  But they did go well, and I am happy and a peace with the result and what I was given today.

Goals for next week: recover and have fun with my family and with the team with my extra time. 

Also, it was fun to meet a few new people like Spencer, Burt, Collin and a few others.  Utah and the blog did great. 

Adios Miles: 26.50
Comments
From JamesH on Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 21:52:13 from 208.117.127.7

You need to type faster. I'm at mile 8 and the story isn't finished yet. Might not be what you were shooting for but I'm stil super proud and jealous that I'm not that fast.

From Jason D on Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 21:55:29 from 24.1.80.94

I too am cut off, but I am still cracking up about Brooks.

From Matt Schreiber on Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 22:19:38 from 66.17.102.185

Awesome race! That Brooks thing was funny. Way to go on getting under 2:30! You definitely worked for it!

From Holt on Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 22:31:11 from 184.177.115.51

Maybe I just shouldn't write a dang novel. I mean Jake won the thing and had a guy or two with him the whole time and wrote 1/5 of what I wrote about a solo tempo run!

From bdase on Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 23:07:36 from 70.197.135.162

That's one heck of a time running solo. You should be very proud. The shape you're in that pr will go down hard at St George. Inspiring race!

From Jp :) on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 00:00:01 from 71.213.60.39

Yay coach!

From Bam on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 02:14:38 from 89.126.28.24

Like Brandon said, that's a great solo effort. I agree with you too, about being in great shape etc. I suspect, if you had somebody to run with, you would have nipped under 2:29. Well done and great report.

From Jon on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 06:42:33 from 107.203.52.135

Enjoyed the report, Dave. Honestly, I think this is your best marathon time ever. I think too many FRBers have worn themselves out the past 5 years trying to repeat the SGM time of 07, rather than view that race as an outlier and not a goal for every future marathon. You ran sub 2:30 on a pretty honest course (maybe long) on a warm day, running solo, and beat the young kids in the process. So I say, bravo and congrats!

From Jon on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 06:47:11 from 107.203.52.135

So did your friend Brooks really go from sub 2:30 pace at mile 6 to finishing over 3 hrs? Talk about all-time bad pacing strategies. His coach should never have let him start that fast.

From Jake K on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 07:17:22 from 98.165.233.14

Very good run Dave. I think you should be really happy about break 2:30 in this one, especially running the whole thing pretty much solo.

My guess on the course is that from 4-9, the curvy miles, the course was measured using the true tangents (as it should be), but we were coned off and had to run on the right side of the road, which adds some distance even if you are running the tangents in the coned off section as well as possible. Listening to Riley's watch beep, that became my theory. It makes sense.

From jtshad on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 07:39:03 from 69.20.183.178

Congrats on a strong race!

From Burt on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 10:02:58 from 72.223.80.89

Great job Dave! I hope you enjoyed the solitude. I didn't think you'd be that tall.

From SpencerSimpson on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 12:21:18 from 166.137.116.46

Really cool report Holt! I agree with you on the lengthier course. Although this was my first marathon,that last mile felt forever. The heat was weird. Don't know how to describe it any better than you did. Alone is not fun. Thought you ran well great riding up with ya. Look forward to seeing you at other runs and races.

From JPark on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 15:08:23 from 174.52.34.169

Good race and time Dave. Congrats on the 4th overall finish and win of the age group! I know it wasn't exactly what you were hoping for, but still awesome that you went sub-2:30, especially doing it mostly solo. You should be happy with the effort and result. Your training has been great. Rest up, stay primed, and get ready to throw down some great times this year.

About the hot feet, do you ever use Glide on your feet? I always do for races and I have a few pairs of shoes and shoe/sock combinations that give me hot spots if I don't use it to reduce the friction. Just a thought.

From Rob Murphy on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 15:11:32 from 24.10.249.165

Not bad Dave. Congratulations.

This report challenged my limited attention span.

From Michael Finch on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 17:56:02 from 71.219.81.179

Good job coach!

From Logan Fielding on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 17:59:02 from 208.117.117.120

Dave,

Excellent race. Happy to see you do so well and take 4th place overall with a solid time. Keep up the great work.

From Holt on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 19:43:18 from 67.2.244.110

Rob, !

Jon, I was thinking the same thing about Brooks' coach. I should have asked about his experience.

Burt, I guess I am a little taller than average, but among the running crowd I freaking Manute Bull!

Thanks for all the comments.

From RileyCook on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 19:54:49 from 65.130.90.139

Nice job Dave. I agree that you are in great shape right now. I think we are both in quite a bit better shape than we were at St. George Maraton, but it just didn't play out this time like we wanted.

It was great hanging with you before the start. Keep up the great training!

From CollinAnderson on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 21:01:48 from 70.199.197.81

Nice to meet you out there and great race! I hope you have a swift recovery!

From Little Bad Legs on Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 22:15:40 from 68.186.0.46

Excellent race Dave. And good to chat with you at the finish line. Next time I'll suck it up and go with you from the start, rather than try to catch up! Well done.

From Steve on Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:17:16 from 67.40.118.46

Congrats on a great race! I agree with Jake and it's my pet peeve. I whine about it every year. Why measure courses using tangents and then cone them off?

From Fritz on Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 20:38:35 from 67.177.4.64

Great job Dave! It looks like you went for it and ended up with a slightly slower second half than you wanted. At least you avoided a meltdown and hopefully this experience will help you gauge your effort and pace in future races. Your training has set you up for a great year.

From Superfly on Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 09:48:04 from 74.211.21.81

Finally got to this... Great job man. Way to battle out the end of the race. I know you felt like you were falling apart but it is a marathon and you kept grinding. The bad news is every marathon I've ever ran other than Boston... you end up running solo. Even here at STG. So I guess do some long 20 mile runs alone out between Colorado City and Fredonia at MP:)

Anyways a solid spring race in the legs... now keep them racing all season.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 15:18:54 from 69.28.149.29

Congratulations on sub-2:30 on a non-St. George course!

Speaking about being old, in about a month I will be racing in the masters division.

What kind of Garmin is this? Prior to last week I had never seen a GPS watch that was anywhere close to accurate. But last week I ran with Caleb Scoville and his FR 610 was exact on every mark and immediate pace updated every second or so. Being exact on the mark was not that impressive - many GPS receivers can do that when they are having a good day. It was the immediate pace that was impressive. Somehow FR 610 team has figured out how to get the exact position which is supposed to be impossible with a watch-size GPS and without access to military GPS authentication. At least it can do it on a good day. I am working on a project that will hopefully one day result in a perfect distance/pace measurement device - either with GPS, or footpod or both working together.

From RileyCook on Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 15:25:03 from 132.3.57.80

Sasha, I ran with my Garmin FR 610 and it measured the course at 26.44. That being said we ran three-wide for a lot of the race so we didn't take the best tangents. But we didn't take horrible tangents either.

I think Jake is correct that the course was likely measured using tangents for the full two-lane road, but we were coned off to the right lane only. After several turns that can add up.

Usually for my watch, marathons will measure .07-.1 long and this one was almost a quarter mile long on my watch (half marathons usually measure about .05-.08 long FYI).

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