Rob Murphy

April 18, 2024

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Location:

Salt Lake City,

Member Since:

Feb 11, 2010

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

I had some success in high school and college. Winner 1985 Rod Dixon Run 

Had a fair amount of success as a Masters runner for most of my 40s. 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Have fun with running, explore more trails, stay healthy.

Long-Term Running Goals:

Keep running and racing consistently for as long as I can. Find what is sustainable for me over the long run.

Personal:

I teach AP European History and other courses at Alta High School. I coached the track and cross country teams at Alta for 16 years.

Married, two kids - Abby and Andy

My Twitter  @murphy_rob

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No running today but I did spend the entire day at the Boulder Running Clinic hosted by Jay Johnson. Really valuable presentations but, as always, I learned a lot more at the post seminar social. It's amazing how many top coaches go to this sort of thing. Coincidence?

For those of you who don't know, Jay Johnson is one of the most valuable resources in this sport. Jay was an above average high school runner who walked on at the University of Colorado and became part of its' first NCAA championship in cross country. In baseball there's an old adage that great players rarely make great managers. The great managers usually turn out to be the guys who topped out at AAA or managed a few years in the majors as a utility infielder. These are the guys who had to work hard to maximize every shred of their ability and so they mastered the nuances of the game. When it comes to managing and coaching, these guys have the edge over guys that the game came a little easier to. I think of Jay as this kind of guy in running.

Jay runs a series of camps for high school runners, coaches, and adults who's focus is road racing and marathons. I recommend checking it out.

Some take-aways

1. Ice baths - no evidence that they do anything and they might be harmful

2. Chocolate milk after workouts has real, measurable benefits both for short-term recovery and long-term adaptations 

3. Static stretching is NOT bad. The studies that claim it is are BS.

4. 20 mile runs are critical for marathoners no matter what the Hanson's say.

5. If periodization isn't dead, it is definitely dying. Every relevant performance quality must be worked year around.

6. You must challenge the nervous system during the entire year.

7. Cross county and track and field distance training should be the same.

8. General strength and mobility training should not be viewed as an afterthought, but as an essential part of most workout sessions. 

Tomorrow morning I'm heading up to Magnolia Road for a 14.5 mile run. 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00Weight: 0.00Calories: 0.00
Comments
From Jon on Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 21:12:32 from 107.203.52.135

#2 is sweet music to my ears...

From Rob Murphy on Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 21:22:24 from 67.190.84.253

I'm up in your old stomping grounds right Jon.

Ditto on #2. It's a rare thing when what we really want to hear also happens to be the truth hey?

From Jake K on Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 08:13:35 from 67.177.11.154

Lots of good thoughts here.

You really believe #4? :-)

The ice bath thing is an interesting topic. I'll be interested to hear Jay's take. I agree that to a certain extent, they are done too much. But there is also a time and place where they are useful (for SOME people). Its one of those things where there are responders and non-responders, according to the meta-analysis summaries I've read.

From Matt Poulsen on Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 08:22:18 from 74.211.25.142

Great points, Rob! Thanks for sharing.

From Jon on Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 11:23:42 from 107.203.52.135

I don't do regular ice baths, but they definitely help me reduce post race soreness after brutal downhills. I've also used them between legs of Ragnar races. I don't care what they say, they help me.

From Jake K on Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 11:43:37 from 67.177.11.154

I'll venture a guess that what Johnson was talking about was people that do ice baths after every single run. In those cases, they are stopping the natural inflammation cascade, which is actually part of the training/adaptation process.

Alex Hutchinson covers this topic a lot on his blog. There is a lot of ongoing research. I think its like a lot of other things in training (and life) - there is a (big) grey area. I know that sitting in the Jeremy Ranch creek for 20 minutes after a long run sure feels good. And I probably use the ice bucket on my lower legs twice a week when I'm doing hard training. My achilles on the right side can tell when I don't do it.

From Holt on Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 16:57:30 from 67.2.228.27

Jay linked you into his recap - nice job Rob.

Thanks for stealing me back to his page. I hadn't visited it in a few months and I really like his ideas.

From Jason D on Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 21:12:48 from 24.1.80.94

Thanks for the recap, Rob. I tried to believe #4 for a while (though never ventured a try). For me, I am going to run as close to the distance as I can without killing myself (at this point up to 24 miles)

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