Good to get some xtraining in there. Hey do you normally do them at the same time your at the gym for your runs. Or you do 2 a days??
From RivertonPaul on Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:34:12
I try to run before I do my classes at the gym. Sometimes I do doubles and run later in the day at home, but usually I try to get my run in before class.
Good idea. I have been toying with getting another gym membership or just getting up in the morning and doing some workout at home. And continue running after work. Seems harder though to do a run and then have a good workout lifting. Great job though man.
Paul, I notice while running with you that we have very similar body types. We are fit, but not way slender like many distance runners. I ran SGM at 160 lbs. A couple years ago I ran Boston at 152. That is the skinniest I've ever been since high school. It was too hard to maintain that weight though. I think I'd like to get down to 155 for Boston this year though. Do you have any thoughts on weight loss and running times?
From RviertonPaul on Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 15:08:37
Rhett, I agree that losing weight would be a significant benefit in lowering times, and even though it doesn't show, I actually lost some weight to get where I am at (I'd like to lose more). In fact, my physician friend is of the same thought, attributing his breaking 3 hours to his weight loss. I think one of the reasons high mileage helps so much, even if it is slower, is that it burns a bunch of calories and helps keep off excess weight. Your question is a good reminder to me of my need to be more thoughtful, after all, I just got done eating a handful of Reeces from the candy jar. Oh, well.
Ya I have heard alot about Boston being the convention of skinny people. I think everyone I have heard BQing have been lower in weight and so for that quest I will have to lose more. So would you guys say though that the weight places such a big part. How much harder has it been to not only eat balance getting the milage in and still lose the weight?? Whats been your keys to doing it?
I once read on Brent's blog that a pound less equals about 2 min. faster in the marathon. I have no clue about loosing weight, though. For the last week or so I've cut out all white flour and sugar and still managed to gain a pound. Geez! The key is probably running 4 hours a day. Honestly I'd rather be fat.
Well that is just it too. I think alot of what you might be seeing is water weight. I remember some of my first long runs of like 20 miles or so losing 10 pounds on it.
And then you hear about Mike Phelps the swimmer eating like tons of food and calories. There has just got to be a balance to do it right.
The hard part is eating enough to have energy to train hard, but still cutting calories. When I cut my weight way back to 152 (at one point in the training cycle I was at 148) my energy levels were to low to get in good quality runs. I think it is about when you eat. You need to fuel up a couple hours before your run and right after your run. The rest of the day is when you cut calories. It is way easier said than done and my body always wants to go back to about 160 to 163.
I'll put my 2 cents in. It is extremely hard to lose weight while doing any major race training. I want to drop around 5 pounds that have been hanging around and I've got to get it off before I go back into training mode. My body hangs on to every pound while I am training hard because I put such a demand on it. I don't think I can eat enough "healthy calories" in a day so I end up eating not so healthy to make up for it. I feel that is most peoples weight issue that run a lot. Not enough healthy food intake and too much crappy food or just not eating enough period. Our bodies go into starvation mode when we don't eat enough. Storing up fat for the long, cold winter.
Hauns-I am not your typical running build either. I tend to put on quite a bit of muscle. I look more like a sprinter but I do fine with distance. I think a little muscle helps us out. I do hear that people with more muscle mass cramp up more in marathons but that hasn't been an issue with me.
From RivertonPaul on Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 16:58:19
Here is a link to good (humorous) fat losing method from the 1930s:
Ya that is my problem for say too. I am losing muscle since I weigh 170-173 and have since the first of this yr I have stayed there the whole running season. If anything coming into my last big race. I felt overweight and I have been running alot of races and such. Maybe losing the weight before starting the serious training is key. Or just do what Rhett did and get sick and lose 15 pds and then just keep it off.
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