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Lake Orion,MI,

Member Since:

Dec 28, 2011

Gender:

Male

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Other

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PRs

16:52 Phillies Charities 5k (2016)

35:52 Beach to Beacon 10k (2015)

58:10 Broad Street 10 Mile (2016)

1:16:02 Philadelphia Rock and Roll Half Marathon (2015)

2:46:54 Philadelphia Marathon (2015)

Personal:

I live in Michigan with my wife, Megan, and our boys, Charlie and Sawyer. I started running in September 2010.

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Wed, Mar 26, 2014
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.006.000.000.0012.00

AEROBIC BUILDER - 12 miles, averaged 6:58 w/ 6-mile tempo.

I stupidly did this workout. Last year I did the same thing after my tuneup half for 7 miles and barely ran under 7 min/mile (I ended up running 6:30s in the marathon), so I kept telling myself it wouldn't be worth it but I was ticked off and anxious (about what I don't know), so I started my run faster than normal but I was planning to do 14-16 miles depending on feel to get some good aerobic time on my feet. But I thought I felt okay, so I went to my tempo loop instead of working toward the south end of town. I should have just run 9-10 miles and let my legs continue to recover. Felt okay in the first few miles, but was (unsurprisingly) fatigued so I cut it to 6 miles. Oh well.

I guess from last May I have made some improvements. 6:58 was what I ran for the fast portion and 6:58 was what I did for the entire run this year. I am not upset that the workout didn't go well. Just mad I was foolish enough to think that maybe, just maybe, it would. It also makes rcovery harder and this week was about easy mileage and my final long run/big workout.

Splits: 6:25, 6:26, 6:22, 6:18, 6:30, 6:26 (6:24 average)

3 up/down

Late: 20 minutes of rolling and stretching + 25 minutes of core. Mostly planks, some crunches (which are basically useless for a runner but I feel flabby after 4 days out of town).

Newton Gravity III Miles: 12.00
Weight: 172.00
Comments
From Jake K on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 16:22:16 from 199.190.170.31

I've done it (squeezing in a faster workout) every time too, and kicked myself every. single. time.

My rule after the 10 mile race (which is actually significantly shorter than a 1/2) is nothing hard for 5 days. Full week of easy running after Indy.

You'll be alright, but just bookmark your thoughts here for future reference.

From Jason D on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 16:55:41 from 24.1.80.94

I knew better even several weeks ago when I was reviewing my training and I looked at last year's tempo: 7:00??!!!! Oh, yeah. An unprecedented streak of 80 days on before my tuneup half and I did the workout on three days recovery.

I almost sent you or Bam a message for advice last night. Should have done that.

From Jake K on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 17:00:49 from 199.190.170.31

You make more fitness GAINS from a half-marathon if you don't try to rush a workout too soon. Usually I'll do fine on the first one, then potentially struggle on workouts #2 or 3 (like I did after Phoenix - my third workout was when the lingering fatigue hit me a little on the 8+4x5). I keep saying "lesson learned" but I've also been a bad example of continuing to do that. Generally you want to wait until you feel ready to go... then wait another day or two :-)

Hold me to this advice in two weeks.

From Jason D on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 17:07:30 from 24.1.80.94

Agreed. Friday would have been perfect. I could have done it then or skipped it and just did my last long run or moved it.

I'll do my best, but I think we all know who the best person to keep your recovery sensible is :-)

From Jake K on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 19:51:33 from 67.177.11.154

She has seen the plan and will hold me to it.

From Andrea on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 19:55:53 from 70.39.177.36

We talked (argued) about amount of recovery time after Phoenix, and Jake tried to convince me it was a good idea to do a workout 3 days later. Maybe he'll listen to you, Jason, more than me! You can talk some sense into him next time.

From Jason D on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 20:22:01 from 24.1.80.94

3 days is great between workouts, but it is sometimes hard to see what a half marathon takes out of you (my problem is I am never really sore). I ran strong 8-mile tempos on Tuesdays after the last 2 races (okay, true they were 5k and 10k races), so I figured after three days I would be fine. Even though I spent the last two days going "remember what happened last year? And the enormous bonk at mile 21 of your 10 + 11 long run that weekend? and walking 2+ miles home?" "No, voice of reason Jason, stupid Jason wants to be a superhero runner."

In running, as in most things, I don't like to be categorical, but maybe race recovery should be: strict (at least) 7 days OFF after a peak marathon, 5 days of recovery for a half, and so on. Anything shorter is a workout for me, so 2 days there.

I will send Jake a "friendly reminder" as I do with delinquent authors. That is an important tuneup. Easy 8/4 or 8/6 as usual throughout the week after, wait until your long run on the weekend. You won't be able to squeeze anything in with your MANDATORY 5 days of recovery, and get 2 days of recovery before Saturday or Sunday anyway.

From Jason D on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 20:24:14 from 24.1.80.94

You're the voice of reason, Andrea. If he doesn't listen to you, just let him beat his head against the wall for a while :-)

From Jake K on Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 20:53:38 from 67.177.11.154

Same here... rarely sore. But there is neural fatigue from racing that hard for that long. You can't "feel" it, though.

If there was ever a good time to have some stricter rules, I guess it would be after longer races, huh?

Great thoughts here.

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