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Location:

Redding,CT,USA

Member Since:

May 11, 2008

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

1M: 4:57.9 (May 21, 2008)

5k: 17:45 (2008)

5M: 29:11 (2008)

1/2 marathon: 1:24:38 (2005, 2008)

Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim 50+ miles (2005)

50M trail race 11:12 (2005) san juan solstice 6th place

50M trail race Zane Grey Highline trail race (2006)

52M trail race bighorn trail run (2006)

Wapack 50 (2007) 2nd place

Goretex Transalpine run finisher 8 day stage race (2007)

laugavegur ultramarathon (2008) in iceland (55km) 7th place

mount mitchell challenge 40m trail race 2009 10th place
Ironman 11:37 (2001) Ironman lake placid

Easily beating Haynes by 8:45+ in back to back trail races over 12 miles! (2008) and also the marathon by less than 1 sec :)

Mohawk Hudson River Marathon 2:57:53 (2008)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Sub 2:50 marathon

Sub 1:20 half marathon

Sub 17 minute 5k


Long-Term Running Goals:

Have the courage to enter and finish a 100 mile trail race.

Sub 2:40 marathon! but i can't say i expect to ever run that fast.

Win any race with over 100 entrants in it.

Personal:

Triple majored in chemical physics, philosophy, and biology.

PhD in biomedical science

Was doing aging research but for now switching to chemistry and am planning to write a science fiction novel.

First year I have trained properly, 2nd year of being serious about running.

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Brooks GTS Racer Lifetime Miles: 169.70
Puma Trailfox 3 Lifetime Miles: 157.00
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Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 56.60Montrail Hardrock1 Miles: 43.31
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4x5x400m @ 81s with 100m recovery between 400s and 400m recovery between sets.

  

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First blog entry...I ran 14x200 today at ~32 seconds with my training partner Haynes. Sprinting is my least favorite workout as I used to only run trail races 25 miles and over. I'm going to attempt to break the 5 min mile this coming Wed, something I failed to come close to doing in h.s. My best time was a 5:13 and it was only 1600m. After several months of serious training I was able to run a 5:03 mile in a time trial with Haynes leading. He went just under 5 and I couldn't stay with him during the last mile. The first lap + 8m was 72 sec and was way too fast. I could only do a 78 sec final lap. I felt fine until that but couldn't find enough courage to push any harder. The mile has haunted me for so long. It may seem silly why I would care so much since it is such an arbitrary time. It just seemed to be the perfect barrier to separate the real runners from the scrubs, at least in high school. I actually have full confidence I can do it now for the first time. I've decided to do a 14 mile trail race on sunday which won't be ideal for a wed mile. There will be another chance though the following week. After that goes down. It better...then I can get off the track which i'm ready to do after the last 4 months or so and focus on marathon training for the Cape cod marathon in October and also an ultramarathon trail race in iceland in July! It's only 34 miles but I'm really looking forward to it as well as climbing iceland's highest peak. Although my travel guide books haven't come yet and maybe i'll change my mind about that one.

I must say, I was a little disappointed with Haynes' speed today. I thought he'd be able to pull away from me but couldn't even pass me on the last 200.  

 

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Comments
From haynes on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 22:32:43

I have been telling you that you have more speed than you think. You just need to find that drive to push hard through the last lap of a mile race. Its worth 3-4 seconds easily.

From Walter on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 22:33:00

Welcome to the blog! Good to have some eastern talent on here! Keep up the good work.

From haynes on Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:11:34

Also, I don't have to prove anything in workouts. I save it for the races. You know I am in control if I stay in contact with 400m to go...

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8.000.000.000.008.00

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From haynes on Fri, May 16, 2008 at 20:16:39

Hey, it looks like rain tomorrow morning and good weather in the afternoon. I don't have much to do tomorrow. Wanna go do an afternoon trail run? We could do 8-10 to make it worth the drive. Im not gonna be satisfied with 5 tomorrow despite already being over my mileage goal for the week. Today I got really antsy in the afternoon and had to do an hour ab workout which still didn't satisfy me.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.500.000.000.007.50

easy 8 mile trail run with haynes. Beautiful day. Haynes wanted me to take pictures of him running so he could look fast. the thing is, he's not fast on trails, only on the road. do not be fooled!

Going to a 14 mile trail race tomorrow. Should be fun!

 

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From haynes on Sat, May 17, 2008 at 15:14:38

My excuse is that I never try hard on trail races because to me the times really don't matter that much (being sometimes several minutes per mile slower than road and each one so different). I prefer trails, but I don't feel like I have much to prove. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

From haynes on Sat, May 17, 2008 at 15:29:37

http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/2007/07/oscar-pistorius-science-and-engineering.html

pretty good article regarding the science behind pistorius's prostheses advantages.

From Bob Anderton on Sat, May 17, 2008 at 22:06:00

I read on CNN this morning that Oscar Pistorius is being allowed to try to qualify for the 2008 olympics. Here's a link. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/david_epstein/05/16/Pistorius/index.html

I would have to concur. It seems like an a mechanical advantage to me.

From Matt Bedoukian on Sun, May 18, 2008 at 15:41:16

There is most likely an advantage but what can the poor guy do? There is really no way to make prosthetic legs that are exactly fair compared to the real thing. I just think that he should be allowed to compete since I'm pretty sure this is a once or twice in a century kind of thing. If he were to medal I think there should be an extra medal for the "normal" runners. Not sure what to do about relays though. An individual event is one thing...It is clear that 5 years from now he will probably be even faster due to technological advances, I just think that the guy can't compete any other way. Preventing him from competing is kind of discrimination. I'm glad he'll be allowed to compete, I just think they shouldn't take away anyone else's medal or spot on the olympic team and should make a special exception. If the time comes when normal runners can't compete with amputees, then obviously there can be a whole new enhanced athlete olympics. Until then...I think most everyone wants to see him race so why not!

Race: Soapstone Mountain Trail Race (14.4 Miles) 01:49:41, Place overall: 2, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.500.0014.400.0014.90

Today was pretty awesome. I was sort of on the fence about whether this race was a good idea in preparation of the mile on wed but I simply love trail racing too much, especially when I predicted that the competition wouldn't be as stiff as most of the other races in the grand tree trail racing series. I was hoping for top 5 today and ended up 2nd. Haynes admittedly raced today and I still beat him by 3+ minutes which was sweet. He did scare me though running with me and actually catching up to me and perhaps even taking a 1/3 stride lead around the 15 minute mark. He was dropped on a steep uphill in which walking was required. Little did I know but the two guys who are way better than me got lost and I was actually leading at mile 8 or 9. One of them caught up to me and passed me like I was nothing but I rather that happen than get passed by someone else. I was running with a guy for almost the entire race and I was worried about him. He let me lead and was nice and offered me cliff blocks but I was nervous he would outkick me. Especially after what Haynes did to me in our last 5 mile race in the last 100m. I started feeling good for some reason, maybe the expired cliff shot I took but more likely the nuun I was drinking and was able to pull away on a downhill. I always feel better when i sense weakness in my opponents. I wonder if that is natural and other people feel the same way. I felt good cause I felt like I could keep pushing the entire race today despite burning in my calf muscles after the first 40 min. With only about 1.5 miles to go I took a horrible fall on some rocks. Cut up both knees, one of them swelled up to the size of a golf ball (below the knee) but doesn't really hurt. The most annoying thing was my hand. It was oozing for a couple hours in the car and is still full of dirt I couldn't get out but has stopped bleeding. It was all totally worth it though for the cool rock trophy I got! The food was awesome at the end of the race too and they had veggie burgers. I ate 3.

I also wanted to say good job to Haynes who did really well today! Without his coaching I would still completely suck instead of be respectable. There are now like 6 2nd place finishes...will I ever win one?

I can't wait for the 5 min mile to be behind me. I really hope I don't have to wait another week and can do it this wed.



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Comments
From haynes on Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:52:38

Wow, you are like vicious and then way too nice. Remember that I followed that one guy and was feeling really good because it was probably too slow of a pace for me for 3/4 of the race. If I got good at trail spotting I could run faster.

But also I think that most of the training benefit I have given you is that you have a training partner and we are competitive. My training schedule gives some boost, but you have a lot of say in that too. The 5 minute mile is going down even if you are sore in my opinion. Its all according to plan, we are trained for a 4:50 mile so that doing a sub 5 will be pretty easy.

From josse on Sun, May 18, 2008 at 21:44:30

Great job on the 2nd place finish. Trails are the best.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

legs hurt from where i fell. nothing too tight or not moving right though. feel like wed should be good for the mile attempt.
 

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Ran easy today 8:05 min/mile in prep for mile tomorrow. Weather may bring rain. Not sure if that makes much difference on a track. I'll just stay with Haynes until the last lap and stay as close to him as possible...hopefully he's planning on a 4:53-4:54 which I'm sure he's capable of.

 Hopefully the motivation of never having to do this again will inspire me to dig deep!


 

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From Adam RW on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 16:47:53

So I guess I’m an activist at heart. I noticed we’ve only had 13 votes but 144 views and there are more of you out there. I know some people don’t use the discussion board of the blog so I’m posting this comment on everyone’s blog that has updated in the last few days or so to bring your attention to both the discussion section and the mileage board. Please read the discussion here (http://fastrunningblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,324.0.html) and then vote here (http://fastrunningblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,348.0.html) if you have an opinion. If you already voted, I am sorry about the “spam.” Thank you!

Race: M.I.T developmental track meet (1 Miles) 00:04:57, Place overall: 2, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.500.000.001.002.50

Today could very easily have started one of the worst days of my life although for some reason i didn't really care. The story doesn't matter but unjustly and unexpectedly my ex-boss forced me to leave the lab and turn in my computer with my life and data and everything on it. As you can imagine that was pretty upsetting and having to deal with what is going to go down is not going to be all that nice. All of this occurred without warning only 1 hr before Haynes and I were planning on leaving for the mile race up in Boston (~1hr+) away. 

 There had been some chance of rain the day before according to weather.com so i was nervous that it would slow down my time. Haynes said he thought rain was 4 sec in a mile but i disagree. The sky was a clean blue on the drive up there. About 20 min before the race, the rain started pouring, getting my racing flats soaked, and not only that gusts of 40mph winds started. Keep in mind that my primary running goal since h.s. until i had all but given up was to break the 5 min mile. I knew I was properly trained for it, but could the elements prevent me from doing it. Haynes and I just drove 1.5hrs up here for this? Luckily the rain and wind stopped minutes before the race. The track was completely soaked though. 

 I was going to go through with this...

The meet was immediately sketchy as we started on the wrong side of the track with no mile marker. The race directors just kind of guessed but that was too sketchy and I wanted there to be no doubt that i could break a 5 min mile. We luckily found a measuring tape and measured out the extra 9 meters.

The gun went off with no warning and before i expected. We were off. I was purposely in pole position. No one looked all that fast at the meet so I led, knowing that if Haynes led, the speed would be much too fast. I felt nervous the entire first lap. Went through the 409meters in 74.7, about a 73 sec 400. No pain, surprised I wasn't challenged. The second lap I still felt nervous...the track was soaked and i was splattering Haynes who was behind me, I didn't know who else but I noticed one less pair of feet behind me as I went through the first 200 of the second lap. I came through the half way point in 2:28, still felt fine, and nervous but by the start of the 3rd lap, i began to lose the nerves, i think due to fatigue. I kept thinking, when is Haynes going to pass me. He is using me for drafting...just like last time in the 5 mile race. Haynes made a surge with about 600meters to go. This was welcomed as I now had something to focus on. I thought maybe I can hang on with him. This wouldn't be the case. Although Haynes claimed that the pace was lagging, it was not. My first 3 laps were quite consistent and lap 3 was 73.4 sec. I came through with 1 lap to go in 3:41! All I kept thinking was how much slower I could go and make my goal. Haynes was at that point 1 or 2 sec ahead of me. It was weird the uncomfortable feeling and anxiousness. I began feeling the lactic acid in my arms for the first time when Haynes passed me but it came and went. Why the arms? 

I felt like I was tanking it the last lap and was concerned that somehow i would lock up  and fail. I wasn't that pleased with my effort although could I have gone faster, who knows? Last lap was a 76+ and I came through in 4:57, 5 sec behind Haynes.

 I noticed a previous comment in his blog about how he was getting good at beating me...I did beat him by 3 min and 20 sec in the 14.4 mile trail race on sunday! In 3 trail races I have about 20 min on him while he has about 1 minute on me in 6 road races. Oh well! I guess he has a more loyal fan base than me. He's a great guy and deserves it.  

 I wonder how fast we both could have gone in ideal conditions. I think my fitness would max me out at 4:54 if everything was perfect. Tapering especially. racing the 3rd day after a 2hr trail race is surely not ideal. Nor were wet feet.  

I had a picture taken of me immediately before and after the mile. Wish i had a computer to look at it. I wish i had a video so I could see what it looked like to break the 5 min mile. I have no idea how pathetic or not pathetic my running form looks. Maybe i'll run it again but if i don't stop here, when will it stop? 

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Comments
From josse on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:19:01

I think beating him in the trail race is way bigger than the mile. You need to let him lead and try overtaking him next time. There is an advantage to that. Wait until the marathon, then the true test will begin and remember patiences pay off. He can be minutes ahead at half way or even 18 and you can still catch up and overtake him.

Great job on breaking 5 in the mile! You can die a happy man:) Keep up the good running. I get a kick out of reading the two of your blogs.

From josse on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:19:45

Is that your pic on the magazine?

From matt on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:31:03

thanks for believing that i'm a better overall runner than Haynes :)

Yeah that was a picture of me from 2005 when me and a couple of friends ran the rim to rim to rim in the grand canyon in march.

From josse on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:32:19

I have ran GC rim to rim. It was so much fun. I would love to go do it again. Although I don't know if I could make it rim to rim to rim.

From haynes on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 13:59:41

Why does everyone think that the marathon is the ultimate in running? Its not even the best test of any physiologic system. The 5k is the ultimate test of VO2max (really a slightly shorter race might be a better judge as you can only sustain vo2max pace for around 10 minutes) while the 10 miler or half marathon is the best test of lactate threshold. The marathon depends much more on overall metabolism (energy storage and use).

But anyway, matt is obviously a much better endurance athlete than I am. If that is what you think is important (which most of the running community does) then he is the better runner.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 14:33:28

Congratulations on a mile PR. This shows you have some speed. Good enough for about 2:40 in the marathon, maybe even 2:35 if that really all you can do in the mile.

Haynes, Matt - the question of a better runner should be left up to racing. If you beat somebody in a race you were a better runner that day in those conditions on that course for that distance. Things could very well be different another day on another course and another distance as you have observed. Each runner gets to have his glory day sometimes if he works, and a lot more bummer days on his way to glory.

But there is little joy to be found in just running better than somebody else unless he represents a challenging and not easily changing standard of some kind. When you beat him, you feel joy. Not so much because you ended up ahead, but more so because you were able to reach a certain difficult level of performance. That also means that some days in spite of your best efforts to win you will be there to set the standard to add meaning to somebody else's victory so he can experience a greater measure of joy.

From josse on Thu, May 22, 2008 at 16:29:11

I wasn't saying that the marathon is the ultimant endurance event. I was really just trying to get the two of you going. But I think that is already there with out me saying anything. The only reason I noticed that he had beat you in races is because he so proudly has it diplayed in his running accomplishments. Really the marathon does all just depend on the day and who runs alittle bit smarter (if your trained the same). So make sure your head is on straight and your shoes are not backwards.

From Jon on Sat, May 24, 2008 at 13:19:11

Congrats on the PR!

Is that you on the magazine? If so, was that in the Rocky Mountains? It would be funny if they had a RI picture in a RM magazine.

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13.500.000.000.0013.50

Easy 2hrs and 8 min trail run. I am now on a paid vacation till the end of June and am wishing I was already at more than 62 miles per week in my training so I could just go out and run 100 miles a week to have something to do. I started reading the Daniels' book in which Haynes gets his mad coaching skills. It was kind of depressing having it be so clear how no training can overcome talent. That I can train three times as hard as someone with more talent and not ever run as fast. That idea was what originally led me to ultra running and the idea that i could be super competitive just due to hard work and ridiculous mileage. Not many people have "the talent" to want to run a 50 mile trail race over mountains. Running goals are kind of anticlimactic after they're achieved and the goal doesn't seem like it was really that amazing after and 5 months of training for 6 sec in a mile seems absurd looking back, although i would have done it every time. For me, doing as well as i can do in a race was a sense of self worth and achievement. And when a goal that took me 10 years to conquer like the 5 min mile is done and over it is a weird feeling and i can't help wondering whether i have worse than average talent or better? 

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From josse on Fri, May 23, 2008 at 14:06:26

I think very few runners are born with the talent to run. Most of us have to work our tails off to run fast. I totally disagree with the statement "no training can overcome talent" I think this is bull ---- and you shouldn't get depressed my what you read out of a book. The mind is the only thing that holds us back, so if you think you can you will and if you think you can't then you won't. Train hard, train smart, and kick some butt.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.800.000.000.0010.80

Another easy trail run 1 hr 41 min at arcadia management area in RI. I kind of like it here slightly more than gilbert hills in Foxboro, MA. It is more wild and more options (40,000 acres) and there are a few old cemeteries. I'm still psyched i haven't seen any snakes yet this year! I like pretending they are all dead. The narrow trails were kind of disgusting as i was covered in spider webs and had 2 inch worms on me when i got back to the car. Haynes and I are going to go up to the white mtns in NH tomorrow for a 2 day trip although i kind of just want to go home after the horrendous week at work and do nothing.

Although he doesn't know it yet, I've picked out what I hope will be a pretty exciting and fun two days. Day 1 will be across the street from mt washington, we'll be getting a late start so just ~8.5 miles out and back with 5, 4000ft peaks. The next day will be across the street going up mt washington on the alleged most difficult hiking trail in the white mtns. I'm terrified of a lot of things and heights are one of them. I'm predicting the huntington ravine trail will be cake and not exposed or dangerous. Then we'll summit and take a side tour to mt isolation. maybe 15-20 miles total. I should probably check the weather...kind of hate camping, hope i can find a reasonably priced hotel nearby. 

 

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Got up to Mt Washington, NH and started hiking around 4pm. Kind of cold as we ascended
2000+ vertical feet in under 2 miles. Got to the top of wildcat mtn and summited the other 5 wildcat summits. Had to negotiate an annoying 2 feet of snow trail which was at least solidified. Unbelievable how only 250 miles away there could still be that much snow. A fun highlight was running down wildcat mtn on the ski slopes from the very top. Blues were too steep, greens were just right. The next day we would most likely change our plans of summiting washington due to snow and ice.
 

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Ran the inner loop of the pemigawasset wilderness. I had run the outer loop the previous year over the high peaks which is beautiful but due to snow and our lack of long distance training as of late were excited to be able to run most of the day. The first 8 miles were gradual uphill and almost free of roots/rocks as the trail was previously an old railroad. Got up to 13 falls campsite area in only about 1.5hrs and had fun with the falls and the swift river current. Little did we know that the next 3 miles of trail would be nonexistent. At least we knew the trail followed the river. Bushwacked for 1-2hrs and finally found the trail and the turn off for owl's head, which would be a 1500 foot climb in ~1 mile. I felt slightly nauseated today for some reason. Once down from owl's head we kept up a strong pace for the last 7 or so miles which was all slightly downhill. good day, but right around and above my achilles tendon started acting up. hopefully this will go away in a couple days

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thought about not running to recover but couldn't say no to Haynes. achilles still hurting. didn't get worse during the run but probably take the next day off. there is a trail marathon looming next sunday so more rest is probably better anyways. 

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From josse on Tue, May 27, 2008 at 14:04:42

Make sure you are icing and massaging the area. I am a huge believer in scraping you can read about it http://fastrunningblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,308.0.html here.

From haynes on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:43:01

Im sorry josse, but as a medical student I don't believe in scraping as there are no hard scientific facts. People throw out theories that do include some technical jargon but have no evidence behind them. Bedoukian is icing regularly. Massaging is also a debatable therapy. Depending on the type of injury and type of massage it can be beneficial or harmful. But I do not think that any message therapy is very benefitial for an inflammatory injury (which this most likely is).

Bedoukian - its smart of you to take a few days off. You need to be fully healed for the trail marathon and your ultra in july. You will have plenty of time to get your miles up for the marathon in late october.

From josse on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 13:17:28

That is fine, but I don't need scientific data to back up something the Chinese have been doing for centuries and I have been doing for over 11 years and seen it work on myself as well as countless others. I am not saying it is for everyone but I haven't had any complant form the people that are back running in no time when I do it to them. By the way I am a massage theripist.

From matt on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 16:11:03

Thanks for the advice Josse and the healthy debate by Haynes. I took a day off and ran again today an easy 7.5 and after some initial discomfort it loosened up and was virtually nonexistent during the run. I iced for about 15 min after and haven't noticed it. I haven't been good about my stretching either which could be part of the problem. I'm hopeful that it was just a temporary strain that started acting up because i wasn't ready for 4 back to back trail runs of 2hrs, 2hrs, 3.5hrs, and 7.3 hrs (day of first discomfort during the run). The fact that 1 day of rest is enough to almost alleviate symptoms entirely bodes well. I'll do a 5 mile tempo run tomorrow afternoon and if it hurts during i'll finish and then take 2 full days off before the trail marathon. I would be interested in trying scraping but for now lots of icing seems to be helping. Hopefully this isn't the start of 2 chronic injuries instead of 1 :) Maybe 1 day i'll be able to afford a massage therapist!

From josse on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 16:35:29

I like a good debate and everyone is entiled to there own opinion (even if it is not the same as mine).

I would think that all that long trail running is to blame. And it is a good thing that is gone. I just like to be proactive and don't ignore discomfort. So I am scraping and massaging myself alot but it alows me to feed my addiction;)

Haynes-I can't wait until Matt is beating you because he is a beleiver in alternative modalities;)

Oh yes good luck to both of you in the trail marathon! I'm get a little jelous when I read about all your trail running. The mountains are my true passion but my ankles just don't handle them well.

From matt on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 23:53:56

which is the real race, the trail or the road? a road isn't natural. Josse, have you tried ankle braces? what happens to your ankles? I just think you can train so much better on the trails or at least dirt roads. It just isn't bad for you like the pavement. I try not to do more than 20% of my mileage on roads. It's hard not to start overdoing training when you start to see lots of improvement quickly. it just is never fast enough.

i think i'm in trouble though as soon as haynes gets his MD. He'll have access to all the performance enhancing drugs and get his friends to write prescriptions.

From josse on Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23:00

I have tried taping my ankles but that drives me crazy. I supinate when I run and so when I get tired I easily roll my right ankle and have some bad sprains. I also tried these strape things that was suppose to help me not supinate but they made the inside of my knees hurt. I do run on a canal (dirt) road when I can because I agree with you. But really I just love the beauty of the trails and we have so many great ones hear (I live minutes away from the Wasatch mountains). Another reason I don't get on them as much anymore is because the people I train with know are not trail runner. One of my favorites runs is to run to the top of the Timpanoges mountian during wild flower season.

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Was nervous after my first day off in at least a month. Was glad I did. Felt pretty tight and slow and decided against driving somewhere for a technical trail run. Just ran the normal route on the dirt path. It was disheartening not passing people with ease at first and i wondered how i've ever run a 5 min mile and i can't even blow by recreational runners. running is so mental. i initially thought of turning around but it turned out to be good and i loosened up and felt faster by the end. anytime i think i have a serious injury i think about quitting the sport forever but i know i'm just feeling frustrated. The achilles feels no worse than before the run and 2 days of no running i don't think i could handle. Also, if i need to take more than a day off for an injury it's probably going to be a lot more and i may as well run on it and see if it gets better anyway. it's kind of funny how i didn't believe in icing until last year when after going to physical therapy for a couple months with little improvement he asked me if i was icing and i said no. after that i decided to give it a try and i now ice instead of doing physical therapy with 10x better results. who would have thought! An ice bath every day is probably the way to go. 

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From haynes on Wed, May 28, 2008 at 17:50:46

The ice bath in the stream was pretty cool, but an ice bath at home alone is pretty difficult and unpleasant. I have managed it twice with extreme discomfort.

Don't worry about the speed, its recovery. Tomorrow when we take top two in the 5 mile race with a tempo pace you will feel fast again.

Race: Red Rooster Ramble 5 mile road race week (5 Miles) 00:30:20, Place overall: 1, Place in age division: 1
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Today was my first ever win in any running race! Not super exciting since it is a 24 week series race but still...at least I can say i've won a "race" although it wasn't really a race as Haynes told me he would let me win today. I'm pretty sure I would have beaten him if we were racing though :) I've only ran 7.5 miles in the past 2 days before while haynes ran 22 or something.

 We planned on running right around 31 min for the 5 miles. I was kind of nervous that I would be slow even though we ran a mile race the previous week with pretty good ~5 sec PRs. When we were doing 3 workouts a week there wasn't anything to be nervous about because i knew how each workout was going to feel like. i always wonder if suddenly i forgot how to run and will just be weak and slow. we went out in 6:09, then 6:14 on the only uphill mile, then 6:03, and I felt really good at this point and felt like i was just in the zone. my left hamstring felt tight like it did a couple weeks ago after a few miles and i was worried about it again, but like the last race, it just lets me know i have a muscle there and then goes away by the end. hopefully i won't have any real problems with it. i don't know if it's just my body or if other people's act up. my shin hurt during warmup,  then  my foot. then they just go away. So mile 4 was 6:01 and during this mile Haynes was complaining about the pace. I felt like I wasn't straining at all so decided to keep it there and actually accelerate to ensure that Haynes wouldn't have a change of heart and outkick me at the end. The last mile was a 5:54 which felt pretty easy. Averaged 6:04. My second fastest 5 mile yet on probably my least effort of the season. It's hard to taper though as i feel like i'm going to get fat because i like eating too much. I'm feeling pretty good and excited i may be injury free going into the marathon.

how do people normally taper? There is probably a great deal of differences of opinion. Do they run the day before? I plan on running maybe 4 miles or so to stay loose and an easy 7-8 2 days out. The two races i really care about are a 34 mile trail race in iceland on july 12 and the cape cod marathon on oct 27, although i don't see the point in signing up for a race if i'm not going to race. it's kind of a pride thing.



 

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From josse on Thu, May 29, 2008 at 23:41:57

Good job on the win! Are you doing the whole series? When I taper for a marathon I start two weeks out (I use to do 3 but don't like that). For the last one I went from 75 miles to 60 miles to 58 including the marathon. I run everyday because that is what I am use to doing. But I don't taper if it is not a key race. You can always look at the top runners and look at what they do before the marathon.

Is the marathon this Sat.? Gook luck.

From matt on Fri, May 30, 2008 at 00:05:08

thanks! I've only done 6/10 so far. I'm moving to CT next month so I'll probably only do it 1 or 2 more weeks. Weekday night training race series are great. It's so much easier to do tempo runs and push yourself. I think 2 weeks out is probably what i'd do too. Not sure how much benefit one gets over a week. For ultras some people recommend a full 4 weeks of tapering! Although i guess the mileage volume is kind of more absurd with the back to back long runs. Marathon is on Sunday. Haven't done a run that long since march.i may bonk towards the end but i'm planning on eating tons. At least 1000-1500 calories. i think that is the real secret to being successful in the marathon is eating a lot starting early to fuel you the last several miles. when is your next big race?

From josse on Fri, May 30, 2008 at 00:50:13

I am doing a couple of low key races the next two weeks and then some halfs in july and aug. and St. George marathon in oct. which I hope to be below 3 hours.

I think I would be more afraid of falling on my face in a trial marathon than bonking. I have had some pretty nasty falls in trail racing.

From haynes on Fri, May 30, 2008 at 15:52:00

Congrats matt. No matter what I say on my blog, you know I'm scared. I am glad that I didn't stay with you out of pride. I feel it shows maturity. But I'm still scared. We won't race on the roads again until next year possibly not until the marathon. I won't be too discouraged if you beat me in the marathon, but if we race anything shorter than 10 miles on roads and you win I will definitely be upset.

From Lybi on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:17:06

Yea for the first win! That really is quite an accomplishment. My only complaint is that you made it sound so easy. Darn you! If you're gonna run a time like that you better have to WORK for it. (He he he) Just kidding, I hold you in the highest respect. Congrats on a great race.

PS Is your blog picture just of a magazine, or is that actually you?

From matt on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:53:00

Thanks for the encouragement. I have worked harder than I have before. Still not hard enough! That is me in 2005 running in the grand canyon. It helps having photographers as friends who want to get running photos published! I've been in photos in trail runner magazine too :)

From Brent on Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 20:00:58

Anti - Haynes?, without MJ, great win, 300 commando points for the win. It seems you are ready for any rocky gut busting race, no doubt for toughness.

Stay Kool, animal running, B of BS Rools out

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ran my pre-race day 3.3 miles on the dirt path in town. felt weak, tight and got my weird shimmering vision and dizziness thing going on. it's all anxiety related. finally figured it out. It didn't progress to spots and losing vision though which was good. For some reason easy runs do that to me. Never in a race or hard workout cause i'm distracted from myself. i'm kind of nervous about doing well at nipmuck tomorrow. I have all these expectations for myself since i came in 2nd place at my last trail race. I just want to feel good and not bonk tomorrow. I have no idea how conservatively i need to start but if i don't push myself as much as i can i'll be disappointed. a marathon, especially a trail marathon is a strange distance because you can't keep a steady pace due to the terrain and it is impossible to know what that steady pace should be. i'll be psyched when it's over although i'm looking forward to it. 

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From josse on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 16:45:08

Don't get your underwear all in a bunch. I think this takes more out of you than you think, just go out easy and work into a good pace. It is all beyond your control at this point anyway.

I get that blurry vision thing when my salt content is low or over hydrated. So be careful this is more dagerous than being dehydrated. They have some articles in runnerworld.com about it.

good luck and have fun, that is what it is all about anyway.

From matt on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 16:55:55

Thanks for the advice! Going out comfortably is smart, it's how one would start a road marathon anyway. My vision thing is clearly not due to salt content or hydration. I used to think it was but I only get symptoms during certain times, usually on very short easy runs. There was a period of a full week where i couldn't run even 2 miles and thought there was something horribly wrong with me, but the next week i did the transalpine run (a 140 mile stage race in the alps and felt fine the entire time). It's kind of like a panic attack although kind of different. I've been working on it with a therapist lately, realizing it for what it is and trying to have it not impact my running. It's definitely triggered by stress though...

How often do you have problems...

and yes, i'm a hypochondriac so I worry about hyponatremia all the time :)

and i don't wear underwear when i'm running, so no worries about it bunching up!

From josse on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:02:37

I'm talking about right now silly, I don't know who would wear underwear while running-to much chaffing.

The vision thing happens in hot marathons, I get really sick after as well. So I am trying taking salt before long runs, today my stomach was upset. But that was probably from eating to much 7-grain ceral and black beans yesterday.

I just stinks to be nervous before a race. I get terrible nerves before marathons, I hate it because I think it takes way to much energy to be nervous.

Deep breathing, Deep breathing:)

From matt on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:11:41

you should bring salt with you. What do you drink during the long runs/marathons? Haynes and I are sold on nuun. It has about 5x the salt content of gatorade and we don't even do workouts without it. Not sure you want to overload on salt and then slowly lose it. Would probably be better being more consistent. With 50m races it is essential to use salt. I take 2-3 every hour starting from hour 1.

From josse on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:27:08

I usually just do water, but in the last marathon I started having the problem at mile 6 so I started taking poweraid. That seemed to do the trick although I didn't feel the greatest the whole marathon. I use Heed in training, I like the Hammer co. stuff because they don't have alot of sugar. If I take to much sugar in running it makes me sick as well.

I actually was going to try that is my next marathon, the salt thing.

From matt on Sat, May 31, 2008 at 17:46:53

power aid is no good. same with gatorade. heed is pretty good. i love nuun but wish it had calories or they had a calorie nuun for racing that had carbs. no sugar in that. you should try it! i'm sure you'll do much better with the salt!

Race: Nipmuck Trail Marathon (26.4 Miles) 00:03:36, Place overall: 5
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.400.000.0026.40

After a night of binge eating to prepare for the marathon today I felt fat and bloated. I foolishly ate food i didn't normally eat and went to a mexican place and thought cactus salad was a good idea. it wasn't but i ate it anyway. the burrito and chips were really good though. After we decided to go to ben and jerry's. I got a large ice cream cone with peanut butter cookie dough and bananas on the rum. can't say enough good things about the latter. wow i felt fat. anyways i ate lots in the morning. bowl of cereal, tea, then pre race egg and cheese on a plain bagel at dunkin donuts. ate a chocolate chip cliff bar immediately before the race...

maybe i'm weird but i find confidence in knowing i have more fuel than anyone else. i have an extremely strong stomach and can handle large amounts of food without feeling sick. Got a good bit of last night's food out before the race.

Race director was absolutely crazy but the race was extremely well done so no complaints. Started out comfortably in 8th place. The course was 2 out and backs, 10k out and 10k back and then about 7 out and back the other way. Haynes was way too close to me at the first 10k but i decided i was going to push it only in the last 10k if i could hold my place which i felt good about. one guy pulled away over the next 10k i was with but i had beaten him in previous races and felt strong so i was hopeful i could reel him in when the time was right. i ate consistently shot blocks. went through 3 bags. brought gu along but it was too gross. had some potatoes with salt at the aid stations. drank a lot. felt full the whole race which i kind of like. i hate the empty feeling. after about mile 18 i saw the guy that pulled away earlier who now seemed disoriented like he was delirious and couldn't follow the trail. I passed him and then almost immediately a guy who was originally in 2nd place. he made excuses that he hadn't trained properly and told me how he was in 2nd earlier. (for like the first 6 miles!) not too hard. I had also passed another guy not too long before without any effort. Didn't feel like i was struggling or pushing too hard and felt excited to be in 5th place in a field of close to 250 I think.

The turn arounds can be either good or bad. You can either feel comfort that you have a solid lead on your competitors or be very afraid. I ended up forgetting the top to my water bottle and would have gone back but a guy who i know finishes strong was only ~30 sec back. Not a fun time with no top. I just guzzled it Amazingly it was brought to the next aid station by the volunteers which was absolutely incredible and made my day!

So I decided it was time to push. I hadn't pushed yet and actually ran the 7 miles back 2 minutes faster than I ran it out. I kept looking back but no one was there. When I saw only 2.2 miles left and the time I was at I felt confident that I could stay away since i felt so good and strong. I bonked though with 0.4 miles left but luckily it was mostly downhill. I finished in 3:36.50 which is sadly my fastest marathon time since i've only ever run mountain trail marathons or a marathon as part of an ironman. One of the guys just in front of me about 5 minutes ran a 2:43 at Boston this year. This gives me hope that I might be able to break 2:50. I'll be happy with a 2:54 though. I feel like I need to be disappointed soon, the season and training are so far going far too well. The next big race is July 12th in Iceland. 34 miles. I'm kind of scared how expensive it's going to be, but excited!

Will definitely not run tomorrow! For the first time I didn't get a headache after a long race. I was almost hydrated. You really can't seem to drink enough.

Also, beat Haynes easily by ~9 minutes for anyone interested :)


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From Arie Beresteanu on Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 22:19:32

What a fascinating race story. I like reading about Ultras or trail races (haven't done any myself).

Good luck in Iceland!

From josse on Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 10:03:59

Great job, you seem to handle your nerves and food well. I would have been pucking with all that food. You over took Haynes! When/where are you going to do a road marathon?

From Benn on Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 10:10:17

Glad to hear the race went well. I paid my entry fee for Nipmuck for the third year in a row and was unable to go because of this stupid achilles issue. Nice race man!

From haynes on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 00:52:48

We are signed up for the cape cod marathon in late october. We are currently planning on going out at a pace for 2:55 and seeing how we feel around mile 18 and starting to go all out. This plan will probably change some with months of training and experience with marathon pace running.

From Jon on Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:11:19

What is this race in iceland? Good job on a 5th place finish!

From matt on Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 17:50:46

thanks Jon!

info about the race:

https://www.marathon.is/pages/english4/

laugavegurultramarathon/

It is a 55km point to point trail race.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Couldn't sleep well last night. After the marathon when I got back home on sunday I was rubbing the top of my foot and i was nervous that i was feeling a pressure point on my 2nd metatarsal. It also looked swollen the next morning. I had felt no pain at all during the marathon and it didn't hurt to run but I thought it may be 50:50. So no running yesterday and this morning I decided to go run 6 and see. My left foot/ankle has been problematic for some time. For the last 1.5 yrs i've had to chronically ice my ankle to enable me to run every day. It's just an extremely tight foot. My arch was shooting with cramps too yesterday. 

 Anyways, the run didn't hurt my foot anywhere so a stress fracture is pretty much ruled out i hope. it would have been devastating with the iceland ultra only 6 weeks away now. i'm definitely going to buy new shoes today or tomorrow! Since I had stress fractures in h.s. and college i always worry about them and i'm kind of afraid to build mileage and push my limits. This season i've done that and taken the risk and have been really happy but i don't know what i would have done if i had to take 8 weeks off at this point.

 I'll probably not build mileage this week and stay around 65. Surprisingly neither Haynes nor I had any soreness yesterday or today from the marathon, I felt just used up. Guessing i'll be back to full operation on thursday and hopefully will do the 5 mile training race. 

 Anyone know the standard/smart procedure for recovery from a marathon if it's done in season?
 

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From josse on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 10:50:18

If you are not sore that means you are properly well trained. So you should feel recovered in a week, no longer than 2 weeks. If you run all out and are sore it will take you longer 3-4 weeks.

After my last marathon I got a similar thing with my foot, but mine is nerve related. It is probably just all the pounding. I take a hard ball or a can of soup and roll it on the bottom of my foot when it gets tight.

From matt on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 14:42:38

Thanks for the advice josse! you seem to have all of these good ways to handle running slightly more than one probably should! my left foot has been tight for 1.5yrs now. have to ice it every day after i run or it's bad news. it cracks a lot too :) doesn't get any worse at least.

trail running i think takes its toll. even though the dirt is nice and soft, running fast downhill on rocks and uneven terrain is a lot of impact.

From josse on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 14:46:43

That is what 11 years of massaging injured runner will do, and dealing with my own share of them. Try rolling out your foot everyday for a couple of weeks and see if it feels any better. It might get sore the first couple of times but should get better the more you do it.

My ankles and feet crack alot too. I think it is a sign you are getting old.

From matt on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 14:58:21

getting old!!! so I guess I was already aging poorly at 26 since it has been 2 years of cracking....the future does not look good for me!

i will def try the rolling. maybe it can reverse the aging process. my right ankle and foot are still young at least.

From josse on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 15:04:38

26 I thought from the picure you at least 40. Defantly the rolling will reverse the aging process so will rubbing peanut butter and beer all over your body. Btw- I actually thought you were only about 23 or 24 and make sure you wash all the peanut butter off because it attracts bears.

From matt on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 15:19:00

i'm 28 now. i would also suspect me to be younger than i am based on the fact that i associate with haynes and make ridiculous comments. i actually studied the genetics of aging for the past 2 years and find your rejuvenation theory intriguing...does it matter what kind of peanut butter i use? I would suspect the all natural kind...

From josse on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 16:32:49

Yes that is what I use and Mexican imported beer. Yes I was surprised to see your personal stuff, but it is good to see extreamly smart people with a sense of humor. Can't wait to read that science fiction novel of yours.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:41:22

Ok, I'll bite. Why does beer and peanut butter make you heal faster? And why mexican? Is it a wheat beer thing? Would peanut oil be the same/better/worse than peanut butter? I prefer mixing cayenne pepper with toothpaste and taking it rectally... Sorry, josse, ignore that last bit. I still want to know about the other stuff. I agree about the rollers though, basically stretches things you wouldn't normally stretch.

From josse on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:44:57

It only make you stay young and only just at heart because you get as messy as you would when you were a kid;) It really has no purpose at all I was just kidding, I hope the two of you are not covered in peanut butter and beer right now.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:48:24

Lol, I thought you were totally serious. Thank god.

From matt on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 22:03:47

i'm very offended that food and drink would be wasted "for fun" when there are people starving...also, alcohol is the devil!

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new shoes....felt awesome, pouring rain was cool and nice. i think i ran 9 because the run took 1hr 19 minutes but seems like it should have only been 8. Haynes will have the definitive answer when he runs later with the GPS. Feel pretty good for the first time after the marathon. Haynes is in trouble i think...

 i kind of went out of control, bought 3 new pairs of brooks shoes. one was last years model so half price and i got a big discount on some marathon racing shoes that felt good.

 

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From haynes on Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 20:34:27

I got 8.85. It took me 1:09 (7:50 pace) but that was in the afternoon which is always faster than the morning. I also felt good today except a little diaphram cramp that I sometimes get in training but never get racing.

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Did the red rooster ramble today solo (meaning without Haynes).  A couple people were asking about him and why he wasn't there, kind of disappointed they wouldn't have the opportunity to defeat such a great runner! I had to tell them that he was being lame and that school came before running for him, which is in my opinion unacceptable. Haynes wouldn't have been able to keep up with the pace this week. This guy Eric was there who comes about once a month but has defeated Haynes and I handily each time. Today was no exception as he ran a 29:50. I just wanted to do a solid under 31 min but ended up surprising myself with my 2nd fastest 5 mile time ever feeling pretty good again despite the sunday marathon. Let Eric and this other guy who i knew was going to fall off pace dictate the speed. Mile 1 was run in 5:58 for all of us. Didn't feel that good but not horrible considering we usually go out 10 sec slower. The next mile is the slowest due to the hill and i ran a 6:05, Eric put on about 8 sec on me this mile as i just settled in. The other guy was gone. Next mile was a 6:02, felt pretty good, then a 6:06, then a 6:00. The worst part was my blister on the sole of my foot started acting up, should have put on body glide but was running late/too lazy. Glad I went, feel pretty confident running a 30:11 as a tempo run 4 days after a trail marathon. It's going to a shame not staying around the providence area this summer to do that race and also have Haynes as a training partner. I feel like i have good momentum. This weekend i'm moving all of my stuff. This sat i'm getting a truck and hiring movers to help me load it and then that will be that. A good week for moving as i don't want to trail race this weekend and i probably would if not moving. just can't help myself, there's just simply nothing i'd rather do. Don't know why Haynes didn't come since he ran 9 miles anyway today. I was going to do more mileage after but my stomach was acting up and the blister was no fun. Goal is to hit 65 this week. We'll see. 

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From Haynes on Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 21:12:38

I am worried that you are running this workout too fast. Look up the tempo pace for your 4:57 mile (5:54 i think? and correct for a tempo run over 20 minutes-- +12 sec/mile i think for 30 min = 6:08 pace). Daniels knows best. Really im just scared. And you know running 9 in town takes much less time than going to warren and doing that race. Plus, 4 days after a marathon, despite feeling good, I don't think you should do a hard workout. You should listen to your coach (me).

From matt on Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 21:17:21

I think we both know our mile times aren't what we're capable of. the weather was HORRIBLE and i had no spikes AND we were poorly tapered...it's hard to say though how fast is too fast. i don't feel like i'm pushing it and i hold my splits well and don't lose the pace and feel like i could definitely push a lot harder. according to daniels i'm only going 3 sec/mile too fast anyway which can hardly be a big deal. i stayed for pizza. i think i had about 7 veggie squares, maybe 8? i left before anyone started talking though.

From Haynes on Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 23:36:20

It is fine to vary the pace that much. But as for the mile time, it also predicts a 2:48 marathon for you, which I doubt is happening unless you gain significant fitness before october.

From haynes on Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 23:41:53

Excuse me, I just looked it up, 2:43 marathon.

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still cool and cloudy so pretty nice. so sick of our 9 mile out and back run in town. will be exciting to get new terrain starting in 1-2 weeks. about 8 min/mile pace today. felt ok, not great.

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got up early to avoid the heat and to be done in time to go get the moving truck. pathetic 9 min/mile pace, got passed on the boulevard by a girl! She was just doing intervals though but then there was this other footsteps behind me. thought it was the girl speeding up again but was actually some guy. held him off for 3/4 of a mile before my turn off. for some reason i can't let people pass me if i can hold them off even on an easy run. may do a 5k tomorrow near my parent's house in CT. Supposed to be hot so def no PR, but maybe the competition will be weak and i can sneak in a win at sub 18? i'll see how i feel tomorrow. 

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From josse on Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:28:05

slow runs are good for you every once in a while. Why did you move?

From haynes on Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:03:38

Don't worry about the pace. I ran that slow while you were 5 mile tempoing.

Race: Geogetown Gallup (3.1 Miles) 00:18:41, Place overall: 5
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Decided to do a 5k race today. wasn't planning on racing it since there really was no point as it felt like 98 in the sun and was at least 88 degrees at race time. I was also feeling pretty tired after a long week of 65 miles which is a lot for me at this point. also ran a trail marathon previous weekend and did a 5 mile fast tempo on thurs. More than anything else i was hoping to meet some people i could maybe run with but no one was that friendly. there looked like a bunch of reasonably fast h.s. kids too. probably should have just done a trail run earlier but decided i'd tempo this and see what happens. The course was surprisingly hilly which was annoying. i ran the first out in 8:41 at the turn around. A PR pace!? Didn't feel that fast, was in 4th place and the leaders weren't far away. Ended up running 18:41 and a guy sprinted by me at the end but didn't care to push it. Maybe will run 5 or 6 miles this evening when the sun starts to set so i can maintain my mileage (2-3 mile per week increase till 75 or 80, don't know yet).

 ran another 1.8 in the evening, felt horridly pathetic.
 

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From josse on Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 12:00:54

When you put your name in the box up there you need to put in bedoukain becsuse matt lenks to someone elses blog. I am assuming it was you though that left the weight lifting comment on my blog because you don't capitalize your I's. But any way I only lift upper body and abs/back. This is because I have a 75 pound daughter that is in a wheelchair and I have to lift her. So if I don't I hurt my back. I do lift more with my leg in the winter, but cut it out with the higher mileage.

From josse on Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 12:28:32

Good job on the race-just be careful with all the fast running. Was that you who left the comment? Sorry to bore with the details if it wasn't. I allways assume that it was you when I see matt but I clicked on the name and it goes to another matts blog. And I run with him so know I am confused. Who I am talking to when Matt leaves me a message.

From haynes on Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:10:44

That is a good tempo for a hot and hilly 5k. It sounds like you went out too fast, but its hard not to do that with people in front of you. My mom is here and planning a bunch of stuff to do so I'll be lucky to get 8. And next weekend is fathers day so I will have a hard time running then too. It looks like I will have to double pretty seriously this week.

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last night i had my right achilles tendon act up again. i think for sure i have a mild form of achilles tendinitis. A week or two ago I had this same problem, took a day off and then was fine completely after icing a bunch. I read that i should stretch more...so moving all day, to it being 100 degrees to resting i don't even feel that guilty about the no running. 

 when you don't ever take a day off it feels awkward to not run, but take one day off and it seems like it would be so easy just to not be serious anymore. i really hope stretching will stop this and not be chronic. i think this could get serious if i'm not careful. i never do anything preventative, just enough to make the problem go away. i wonder how close to the edge of completely falling apart i am  :)

 time to stretch for 10 min and then ice for 15....that will be my running related workout for the day.

 

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From josse on Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 22:45:38

When you are to the point of tenedonitis stretching won't do much. Deep tissue massage, myofacial release, or the scraping (I think this is the best for tendonitis but I am sure Haynes will disagree) that I metioned before will help. Also when it is a chronic issue I always use a ice/heat alternating. About 5-7 mins of both 2-3 times a couple times a day.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:10:42

A cortisone injection is the best, but that takes usually two doctors visits. First they usually give you prescription ibuprofen (that admittedly is like 8x the normal dose, but is the same stuff). Then if the problem continues they might give you some steroids which will do the job for any inflammation. I know you don't like taking pills or anything unnatural but try taking 400-600mg 3 times per day (thats 2-3 pills 3/day) along with the icing and stretching.

From josse on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:25:40

Quick fix to cover up the problem, but doesn't solve the issue. I don't agree with coritsone but think the Ib will help with inflamation. But you still have to get to the root of the problem.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 13:01:53

Often inflammation is the effective root of the problem. Yes there was an initial injury, but inflammation can build on itself because it causes damage of its own and then more inflammation occurs in an attempt to fix that. If the inflammation is wiped out (and corticosteroids are the strongest known antiinflammatory) then it will often solve the problem. But it is a moot point because bedoukian isn't gonna go to a doctor twice unless this gets much worse. Can't wait till im a doctor and can prescribe meds for friends (not ones that they shouldn't have, but just save them the trouble of going to a doctor multiple times).

From josse on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 13:48:59

I have read that corticosteroids can break down tissue and cause more damage than is already there. I don't know if this is true but the people I know that have gone that route have temporary relief followed by an even worse injury than they started with. Everyones out come is differant, but I have really never seen any one heal from a cort. shot.

In my experience injuries are caused my a restiction in the facia that surrounds the muscle and cause either tearing in the muscle or to much tention on a tendon. You have to fix that facial restriction for the problem to go away. But of course this is only from the mouth of a massage therapist (who has worked on 100's of runner) not a soon to be doc;)

From josse on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 13:54:14

BTW-Haynes what kind of medicine are you going into. I don't have anything against modern medicine I just think it can be complimented by tradtional methods as well. In fact my daugter would not be alive today without either. So I have alot of respect for both.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 14:29:11

I am not sure what specialty I want to go into yet. I just finished my first year of med school. And I don't have anything against traditional methods as long as they prove favorable in a randomized clinical trial (so basically they have to pass the stringent tests of modern science). One of the best malaria drugs is from a plant that was used to treat malaria in ancient china. I don't even mind if we don't know the precise mechanism by which they work. Many medications and procedures in modern medicine we do not have a mechanism for beyond speculation. But they are proven to be statistically better than placebo. But then again, the placebo affect is very powerful. If you can convince someone that he is getting the best treatment, he will almost certainly have a better outcome.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 14:32:15

BTW matt, just want to turn on the smack talk for a second. Running 6 days/week now? BTW, did you see my workout yesterday? By your estimation I probably gained 30 seconds on you in the marathon with that.

From josse on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 14:51:25

We always seem to hyjack Matt's blog with our bull headedness. Sorry.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 15:13:19

so to first respond to Haynes...it seems like you were racing on the treadmill and completely broke yourself down while i smartly rested and am not over training and building my mileage up more than even daniels suggests.

so my tendon doesn't hurt at all today. exactly like when it happened 2 weeks ago. what's weird is that i ran a trail marathon between that time and now and had no problems at all after the race. now after a stupid 5k on the road and a 1.5 mile cool down it acted up. it's as if running on a road at all triggers it. i'm not sure that i can't beat this by simply starting to stretch more valiantly and ice after every run as a preventative measure. i'm not concerned, it is just annoying to only run 6 days a week instead of 7. although i'm seriously considering taking yet another day off cause it's so miserably hot and didn't have the opportunity to run in the morning. the only way you're beating me in the marathon is if i can't run without injury. you're just a kid...you can't compete with my superior lung capacity and endurance....

i'll probably trail race this weekend, it's hard to pass up esp if i'm tapered by not running at all cause it's too hot. we'll see what happens with this achilles.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 17:58:13

Matt: I am pleased that you think that I have the mental toughness required to overtrain on a treadmill. I assure you that I was not racing. I would have kept the 6:40 pace except for the cramps (which I have never gotten in a race). And despite what my plans are in terms of mileage building, if you look over my logs my buildup has been quite steady. But I agree that it was good for you to rest. I just wanted to smack talk a bit.

Josse: I agree that many problems are fascia constricting muscles or tendons. I think that on an even more basic level, recurring inflammation injuries are caused by anything internal that causes too much friction during the activity that makes it flair. It could be that matt runs differently on the road in such a way that increases the friction between his achilles tendon and something else which triggers the pain. Inflammation can make this worse because the resultant edema gives less space and more constriction or friction. I have not heard about such problems with cortisone, but I am sure they exist. Cortisone also has many other bad side effects which is why doctors don't give just anyone who walks in with tendonitis a cort shot.

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walked 2 miles with two bags uphill from the train station. maybe shouldn't count as miles but 35 minutes in the heat with weights counts this week, esp when my mileage has started out so poorly. ran 8.1 (the stupid cemetery was closed so didn't get 9). hopefully the achilles will behave and i can run early and longer tomorrow. felt pretty good though...

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From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 20:02:01

I left my camelbak at your place. Maybe I can get it from you in the fall. Feel free to use it in the mean time. Except I have the bladder so that might be hard.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 20:14:24

I looked back and ive had 4 full weeks at right about 70mpw. I don't really think I should increase it at this point though from how I feel. But I am getting antsy to do more workouts. So I think I am going to stay at 70 for the rest of the month and add the quality back starting this week. I did the long tempo yesterday and I could do VO2max tomorrow and maybe or maybe not a shorter tempo this weekend. What do you think?

From bedoukian on Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 23:42:12

i'll keep the camelback safe...

i would stay at 70 and just add 1 workout per week for a couple weeks and then 2. it will take time to adjust to the heat too. no point overdoing it, i mean you're already ahead of the game for a marathon in late october i think...

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16.800.000.000.0016.80

not as hot today, body felt ok, always tight in the morning. nothing hurt too bad. achilles fine...50 miles now on new shoes. ran 11.65 miles...maybe i can still hit 65 for the week.

spent 6 hrs cleaning the apt up then decided to run again. felt much looser and went a good bit faster although still not under 8 min pace. afternoon run 5.15 miles
 

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From sarah on Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 19:37:36

I just read your ambition to write a science fiction novel. Should be fascinating with your background in science..Triple majored...never heard of that before. Wow!

From haynes on Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 17:54:57

Solid day. Im finally trail running this evening. I got slightly put off of it by the ridiculous poison ivy rash I developed just after I got home. Its still there but I finally got some hydrocortisone cream to put on it.

The mileage board is owning us currently. I will make it back on the first page with tonight's run though. Probably will do 13 ~ 80% of the trails in the park near my house (the park has 3 loops of 8, 5, and 3 miles). I'll bring my gps. I am running with this guy who claims to have an easy pace of 7-7:30 but only runs 40-50 mpw and hasn't been doing workouts. So we will see. He doesn't usually run trails and I won't let him dictate the pace unless its slower than I want to go. I don't know his race times.

From Jon on Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 18:29:23

The only thing with trail runs and the mileage board is that a good trail run will take often 20-30% longer than equivalent effort on the road, so we put in more time for less mileage. But it is still worth it to be on dirt rather than pounding pavement.

From bedoukian on Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 20:17:09

Yeah and also the not just even trail running per se but also the hills. i moved to CT today and did a run and you can't find anything flat here. all rolling hills. there should be a time ran tally i think! i refuse to run on pavement unless it's a tempo run or race...i feel guilty when i do :)

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wow, kind of weird to actually feel a little sore...right hamstring sore, decided that hitting 65 miles this week after starting the first 2 days of the week with only 6 miles total is not going to be worth it. i think i'll just use this as an excuse to race again. don't think i've missed a week. i'm going to go up and do the mt greylock half marathon trail race. i think i'll go up the mtn afterwards since it is the highest mtn in mass. unfortunately the race was rerouted because of road construction....we'll see maybe i'll not race since it is almost a 3hr ride with gas prices and all being ridiculous...if only i was haynes and wasn't too cool for buying books on tape. maybe this will be a first. 

 so anyways, i have a great 0.9 mile dirt road loop in a state park i ran on today. kind of short but really nice. i'll have to figure it out. super hilly here. it will be no easy mileage anymore. 65 miles a week here is probably equiv to 72 in providence...
 

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From haynes on Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 15:21:55

It looks like im gonna be able to do this stage race next weekend. 22,18, and 20 miles. Do you think it is ok? Is it gonna destroy me? Make me stronger? The winner last year averaged 8:52/mile and a woman came in second averaging 9:00/mile. Im not too sure about the terrain, but there is supposed to be 1 mountain for each day but they are like in the 2k range and the elevation starts around 700. If I do it I should probably go into it very casually like the trail marathon and then see what Ive got left on the last day. Stage races could really be my thing with my excellent recovering abilities (although nothing like some guys who do 50's back to back weekends).

From bedoukian on Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 19:05:49

totally do it! why wouldn't it be ok? you'll be super strong after...even if you just went out and did it like nipmuck you'll have a great time i'm sure. plus you'll be at 60 miles after only 3 days which i know you'll be pysched about. start slow the first day and if you have stuff left punish the field on day 2 and especially day 3...from my transalpine run experience don't go out too hard on day 1 or you'll pay! just run it comfortably and i think you'll be among the top runners. it will be a neat experience no matter what!

From haynes on Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 14:33:54

Unfortunately it now looks like my mom is coming with me. So since she doesn't much like me doing even 1 day, I will only be able to do 1 day. But its probably better for my training anyway. I'll do the 18 or 20 mile day and do it pretty hard. Or maybe my mom will change her mind about coming and I'll do all 3.

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11.700.000.000.0011.70

trail run in huntington state park. 1hr 59 min. felt fairly good today. much better than yesterday. shoes now have 73 miles on them. so hilly here. the trails are pretty well maintained and most of them are like dirt roads so i don't have to worry about snakes. i'm psyched i have yet to see one this year...will only run a few miles tomorrow in prep for the half marathon trail race and the post race summit of mt greylock which should be a good workout. over 2,000 feet climb in 2 miles. a part of me just wants to run 14 tomorrow and hit 65 again....oh well....last race for sure before iceland.

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From josse on Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 20:26:08

You are a racing fool for sure. Good luck!

From bedoukian on Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 23:26:09

Thanks! it seems like i've done a race every single week, with the thursday night race series i might be averaging more than 1 a week...i think i'm starting to get slow though, will find out on sunday.

From josse on Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 13:34:42

Your probably just getting worn down, not slow. Take an easy week and see if that recharges you.

From haynes on Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 14:30:41

If you keep improving, why change anything? I guess theoretically you could improve faster, but given that you have improved 3 vdots this year (based on 5k times, which you could PR again for a 4th vdot if you wanted to) I doubt it.

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ran/walked with dad at huntington. legs feel kind of weak and i should stretch more but icing and stretching the achilles has prevented any strain there. should have tapered more but whatever...it will still be fun hopefully and worth the drive.

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Was feeling kind of bad about my running as of late. All been slow trail runs around 10 min/mile pace and last weekends 5k was a disaster. I know i had a trail marathon the week before and ran one of my highest mileages of the season but i've just been feeling sluggish lately. I knew i'd be upset if i didn't drive the 2.5hrs to the greylock trail race today. I just didn't want to get blown away and maintain my good race record.

The first 4 min of running are flat as we make our way to the base of the first climb of about 1000' or so in 2.5 miles. I started slow as i was determined not to go out too fast and be conservative. i didn't feel that bad during warmups which was a good sign and felt like i had some fight in me maybe...This one guy ben nephew almost always wins easily unless there is a true elite racing so he was gone, then the next pack were 2 guys, one of whom i had beaten by a very slim margin a couple of races ago for the first time. I was content to be in 4th place after 10 min of climbing. There were a lot of guys though, you could see on the switch backs not too far back. One guy kind of passed me and blew by me so now i was in 5th place. Another guy in the next 5 min barely went by me and didn't get too far away. Another guy was right on me. We crested the hill with me in 6th place and it was time for the long 2.5 mile downhill to the turnaround. I ran kamikaze like i usually do and easily passed the guy in front of me and almost caught up to the guy who had passed me easily earlier. The guys in 2nd and 3rd were within striking distance as well at the bottom but i knew my climbing skills are relatively weak to theirs. I just wanted to hold my position.

I now had at least 1min maybe 1:30 on the people behind me at the 5.1 mile mark. time for the 2+ mile uphill. I felt pretty good, aided by being in 5th place. i always get this spirit when i know i'm doing pretty well for myself. I held my position and then annihilated the downhill...i was 15 sec back with 5k left of 4th place. The downhill was over though. The next part was more technical and i felt tired and exhausted but i knew everyone else was too. I finished it out in 5th, minutes ahead of 6th and about a min back from 4th.

Good confidence booster today! Last year i finished 18th, and was over 10 min slower than this year. I also rather foolishly decided i'd climb greylock (highest mtn in mass) after. I decided on my way up i would do that and one of my friends said he'd be up for it too, but after racing bailed. smart! It was only 2.2 miles to the top and ~2200 feet up. I chose the steepest trail and it took me 1hr 21 min. I was sucking it on the way up, feeling my breath in my ears, couldn't get my heart rate to chill out. about halfway up i thought i might kill myself but fought on. The top was awesome...i met a girl who was doing the entire appalachian trail...she had started from georgia! Pretty cool. Ran down a slightly longer way 2.8 miles in 40 min.

Tonight i ate tons! it was awesome. Total exercise time today 2 minutes shy of 4hrs....
north west CT and western mass are beautiful. I enjoyed the drive lots!

only major complaint was my left achilles/calf started acting up today...doesn't feel bad now, will ice it. the right one which has been troublesome is fine at least...will probably rest up tomorrow. will hopefully have a better mileage week than last week.




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From haynes on Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 23:21:40

Solid race. 1:46 for a trail half marathon is great especially with that much climbing. Wish I was there. Hopefully I will regain that fitness and then some in my 18 mile race on saturday.

From haynes on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 01:32:49

Was the 'friend' Tom? I thought he was dead to you, lol.

It sucks here, I don't have any time to myself really. I will probably have 1 weekend all summer without my mom (either her here or me at home). And I can't do like long trail runs with her around because she doesn't like how much I run. It doesn't really matter how much I work this summer (and my parents are weird and give me money when I need it and not in any discernible merit based pattern) and I know I can complete the projects my PI has given me working much less than full time. So I think I might just take most of one day off (just go in for 20 minutes for tissue culture) each week and do a long trail run. I just hate not being in control of my life. It's my last free summer in my life. Shouldn't I have a bit of fun for myself? She must think that all I could want to do in my last summer is hang around her.

Oh and I guess I should forget about girls for the summer. If I'm gonna not gonna be in town for the weekends then there isn't much point in dating anybody (not that I had much chance anyway). I think your parents are more reasonable than mine are, but I just don't see how you are going to stand living at home for any length of time. It would absolutely undo me.

From haynes on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 15:00:41

um, a high school GIRL in the US ran 4:16 for the 1500 in an all comers meet with no competition. She ran 4:33 for the 1600 at her state meet. The 1500 time qualified her for the olympic trials for that distance. Im quiting running. j/k

From bedoukian on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:09:37

Tom totally bailed on me again :)

hid gf was there and used it as an excuse. not sure if they would have been able to make it as i almost didn't.

not being capable of beating hs girls in the mile haynes...not even close! well keep working, you may be able to finish on the same same straightaway with her one day.. only 15 sec back!

don't know what would happen if you just told your mom you were doing that stage race or doing stuff on your own every once in a while so i can't say stand up for yourself...but seriously sounds pretty weird, i guess i'd have to meet your family to know the dynamic.

So far i'm enjoying the 48 dollars a day i'm saving on rent. not to mention i haven't paid for any food yet either...i saw a snake though at the new place i go running on sat. but the place has about a 4-5 mile loop of a carriage trail which puts me at ease.

just do the stage race...it'll be awesome. what's going to happen?

From haynes on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:18:54

You don't understand, she is coming to chattanooga with me. So I can't exactly do the race without her knowing. She is only partly ok with me doing the 18 mile day and I haven't suggested to her that I do the whole race. I don't know what we are gonna do in chattanooga besides my race. She wanted to go on a trip with me and I was like, there is a race in chattanooga and she decided to come.

From bedoukian on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:26:34

why not just tell her you really want to do it? do they think you'll drop dead from running too much?

From haynes on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:28:56

A quote from my mother just with weekend--"I am really glad that you stopped doing marathons, I just don't think it is healthy physically or mentally." Of course she doesn't know that I did a trail marathon 2 weeks ago and am signed up for a marathon in october.

From bedoukian on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:37:01

as long as she doesn't stop supporting your education or ability to survive i would just tell her you love running and that there is no scientific proof that marathons are bad. sure when you go up to 100 miles i would be afraid if my kids did that.

From haynes on Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 16:46:00

I don't think we discussed my mom much on all of those runs we did together. She is not reasonable and always wins. The best you can do is go with the flow and not cause a complete breakdown. A major fight might not result directly from running, but everything adds up with my mom and when she reaches a threshold, everybody in the family will be made unhappy for weeks at a time. I think 90% of why she doesn't like me doing marathons is that it shows my addiction to running. And she thinks that addiction to anything is bad. I say it isn't heroine or child pornography so why not.

From haynes on Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 13:04:17

I finally left a message for that guy who keeps hitting the top of the mileage board because of his cycling. I tried to make it as polite as possible, but you know that I am only slightly better than you are at not saying what I think. We will see what happens. How goes your plan to find someone in your area and convince them that 4x5x400 is the best workout ever? I guess you might not be planning on doing any of those until after iceland. When is that anyway? Any 50k specific training you are planning on? After that trail marathon, I think that weekly 7-16 mile trail races and one or two long run/hikes is optimal. The only thing I think that I could have done better for that race is taper.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 13:51:38

yeah that guy shouldn't do that, it doesn't make sense. does he think he deserves to be on top of the mileage board? can't wait to find out! I'm not interested in track workouts until after iceland. July 12 is the race but i'm leaving july 6. I'm just going to hit hopefully 70 miles per week on trails starting this week or next if i don't have any aches. will probably do a 25 mile trail run probably the weekend after next and that will be it. Don't think there are any more races that i'll be doing since the only one coming up is near mt washington which would be 5+ hrs away from here! i was depressed how much ben beat me by at greylock. he ran 1:31...he did run recently a 10 miler in 54 minutes so he's def sick on the road as well. unfortunately to weed out competition i need to go to the 50k distance and beyond. by the way, iceland is 55k...

From haynes on Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 14:17:05

I am sorry that I keep underestimating your hardcoreness. I am humbled. I think that your plan is good. 70 this week and 70 next week with a 25 miler then start the taper by getting 50-60 the next week and all easy low mileage the week of the race.

Ben nephew is a beast. He probably could go faster than that. Do we know if he even does workouts or just goes out and runs fast all of the time? In my workout last week I ran a single mile in 5:24 (his pace for 10) and it wasn't exactly easy. I was supposed to do the laps steady, fast, steady, fast and my times were 80 (whoops), 77 (needed to go faster than first lap), 86!?, 79 (no kick but was ready to be done). It was just a workout and in the middle of a bunch of other stuff, but it didn't feel good. I am better with a constant pace.

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ran 6.2 with my 12 year old brother at huntington. did a little exploring...very slow pace, he was complaining a little bit at the end but i made him go a mile longer than he wanted :)
i think huntington may be my favorite place to run right now...perhaps just because it's new. the mtn bikers made all this fun windy single track that is just awesome. great glacial rock formations everywhere and super hilly.

got back, ran repeats of the 0.55 mile dirt road at the bottom of my driveway, which is kind of nice...1.1 miles round trip on dirt. will be a great place for doubling and running only 3 or 4 miles in the morning or evening. although there is probably 100 feet of gain. can't escape the hills here.

 felt real sore when i started up, loosened up. hopefully will feel good tomorrow and not have to babysit. i much prefer getting the run done early.
 

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From haynes on Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 23:06:22

Sweet. Remember that Haile Gebrselassie ran 10k everyday to and from school. So you just need to make your brother do that twice a day every day for the next 22 years and perhaps he could be a decent marathoner, but not nearly as good as any kenyan because he doesn't have the genetics. But really, I am impressed that you got your 12 year old brother to run 10k. Does he like running?

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11.500.500.000.0012.00

easy trail run, super slow and comfortable. 1hr 59 min.

took new montrail hardrocks out of box for the first time...i love those shoes,
should probably get something lighter for racing but whatever...

 ran 1.65 miles out and back with brothers in the evening. was challenged by my middle brother who attempts to run circles around me since i'm not usually fresh or rested i have no explosiveness. On the last big hill he tried to kick me and he blew himself out by the top of it and he stopped. it was awesome...

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From haynes on Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 19:08:11

I spawned a long debate on cheston's blog about the biking miles. You should read it.

From haynes on Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 19:12:25

or perhaps not, I just read it and its all kinda worthless

From bedoukian on Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 20:01:10

I totally read it. i liked how the one guy also didn't like it. good job, but it doesn't look like he's going to change it. It was really cool here today, great job sticking out the workout. my legs are so dead running 10 a day on trails. I can't even consider doing a workout right now. if i'm going to race i need to take a full day off. found a trail marathon in NY this sunday only an hour away, i might do it and actually not race. although i don't know...

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slow am trail run with dad...nice and cool out. will run more later...going to race a 1/2 marathon on sunday. not the marathon...because i'll go too hard. will hopefully increase my mileage to about 67 this week instead of 70 like planned and take sat off or only do 3-4 miles.

got home, decided to just go back out and get the run over with. nice morning. ran another 7 miles (outer loop of park) in a slow 1hr 16 min... left ankle a little achy for first time in a while...left achilles not bad but noticeable.

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1hr 54 min trail run...it was fun today cause there is some mtn bike race tomorrow so there were multiple loops marked with arrows. one really sketchy section where you could easily die...felt the best i have all week. maybe adapting to the long runs and the terrain. easy run tomorrow, about 4-5 miles then the trail 1/2 marathon on sunday...should be fun. excited to run fast again!  hopefully at least

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From haynes on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 21:53:04

You are intimidating me with the time you are spending running each day. I need to be running more trails. But even my 9.75 mile trail loop takes only 1hr 25min, but that is with a 14:50 5ker so perhaps im pushing it a bit. It is pretty hilly, but not technical at all. Good luck on your trail race.

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5.700.000.000.005.70

trail ran 55 minutes, felt pretty good, on and off feeling tight in the knees, left achilles felt ok, but a little concerning at times. 

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Race: Trail Runs at 909 (13.1 Miles) 00:01:39, Place overall: 3
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I found out about this race in NY last weekend at a trail race in MA. There was a 10k, a half and a full marathon. I thought about doing the full marathon in prep for the 55k in iceland in 3 wks but thought better since i would probably run too hard and get worn down. My tapering for the race was virtually non existent as i built to over 68 miles exclusively on trails,
or about 2hrs a day. No speed at all except racing once a week. I'm probably not as fast as i was several weeks ago but i guess that's ok.

So the race...went out, there was one really skinny tall guy who took off and i was kind of pissed because he was wearing surfer shorts...apparently my dad overheard him telling someone he died at the end cause he's only been running 15 miles/week. grrrrr! so there was that guy and then i was alone in 2nd, i thought i pulled away from a guy who was behind me who looked like he could lose some lbs...(not sure why he was shirtless). so around the 50 min mark this guy comes up behind me and it was another shirtless older guy (47) and we ran together for about 35 minutes, he struggled to keep up with me on the downhills but not anywhere else. i was feeling pretty bad when he caught up to me. totally went out a little hard trying to keep the skinny guy around but failing. He decided to take the lead and i stayed with him and it felt better than running in front by myself. i thought i could stay with him and did until there was 1.5 miles left. he just pulled away. I ran 1:39, he ran 1:38 and the skinny guy up front ran 1:37. I need to get some trail racing shoes. it's retarded to race a half marathon in shoes that are meant to run 100 mile races (montrail hardrocks). I just think they're so comfortable i haven't changed. i feel like that may have made a slight difference today. the course was beautiful though and i had a good time. my 12 yr old brother did the 10k and won the 19 and under age grp cause he was the only one in it. my dad was proud of himself for coming in 2nd to last instead of last. some woman was lost out on the 10k course when we left. hope she was found.

 i should probably start incorporating speed again into my workouts although i'm not sure for a 34 mile race the best way to train. i'm definitely going to run 25 miles sometime in the next week (slowly). but i wonder if speed is really going to play a factor? It's so simple training for road races and a specified distance. This race will take at least 6 hrs probably and maybe up to 7.

 

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From haynes on Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 00:02:28

Nice race. I also died at the end of my race. I'll finish the race report now. I don't think that you need to do speed work in the next 3 weeks except for tempo runs if you want to or some striders. I was feeling totally crappy going into my race and went a lot faster than I expected. What you should focus on now is getting 1-2 good long runs in and a good taper.

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1hr 21 min easy trail run. explored a new trail. pretty awesome single track. 6 miles one way according to sign from inside the park i run at. Ran about 2 miles out, came upon a long stretch of tall grass, decided to turn around and not deal with pulling deer ticks off me. i know they're out there...81 miles on road shoes. 

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From haynes on Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 20:32:13

Since coming home ive gotten several ticks. Luckily there are no deer ticks around here.

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Went out early for a 5.56 mile easy run for 52 min 47 sec. It was beautiful out.
Going to go big tomorrow in prep for the 55km trail race in iceland. Will hit 25-27 miles.
Definitely will go easy and just do a few winding loops at my new running haven. With all those miles my chances of seeing a snake are moderate!

I felt pathetic the other day with my lack of flexibility. I couldn't even kick someone above the waist. I'm going to be stretching a bunch-probably won't do any good. i just think i'm doomed. I seriously don't think i could do any other sport with my lack of flexibility besides chess and running.
 

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From haynes on Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 14:21:35

And I don't like how you are ahead of me in the mileage board. But today is easy and tomorrow is VO2max so Im not going to catch you until friday or saturday. Im think on saturday I might do a 5k at sub maximal effort and then go for a long run afterwards. Good idea? Bad idea? My other options are going long on friday or not doing the 5k.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 15:10:17

there's no reason to be scared of you yet, i mean the marathon is still over 4 months away...no way in hell am i doing 3 workouts a week 4 months out. i remember i started to get burned out after about 3 months. I think i'm just going to put a solid 2 to 2.5 months of speed in there after i build up my mileage to where i think is a good place to stop. i'm thinking 75 will be it. maybe even 70, since i feel like i run plenty with it being on trails.

it's up to you but depending on how long your long run is, doing a 5k at speed the same day is retarded, at least for me it would be.

i'm telling you, the indoor track is simply faster in almost all conditions. sure world record times are faster outdoors but those were certainly done with perfect conditions. i think the average time indoors, at least for our speed, is faster.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 15:12:17

all you have to do is run 7.2 miles today and you can temporarily overtake me on the mileage board...before i crush you tomorrow :)

if you do pass me today, i can fully live up to my blog name...instead of just extending my lead...

From haynes on Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 22:22:56

I seriously didn't mean to overtake you, but I missed my shortcut on my trail. You can believe that because you know how bad I am at staying on trail. As for fear, that and glory is whats its all about, but its true that you have nothing to fear... yet. But I just need them to feel good about my running. I am fine with dropping workouts for 2-3 weeks at some point if I feel burnt out again. As for the indoor track, I agree with you for the 200m track, but this track is not even oval, its more square like with slightly rounded off corners so the turns are much sharper. I was leaning into the turns a lot going only 5:50 pace and sometimes straying into lane 2 a bit after the turn. So I don't think it helped substantially.

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i was planning on doing this long run earlier but i have been slightly freaking out about having everything i need for iceland. i agonized over what tent to get etc...and making reservations for activities and places to stay. I booked a guided climb up iceland's highest peak for July 8th. It should be exciting. 

 Anyways, I didn't get running till around 1pm and i didn't eat lunch. This lack of nutrition would be my downfall. I started out the first technical loop in the park before getting some food and drink at my car. 4.8 miles. I then ran out another longer loop and back to the car at 13.6 miles. I refueled. Ate 2/3 of a cliff bar and a quarter of a gigantic chocolate chip cookie and wished i was done. i had a lot of gatorade too and one apricot fruit chew thing which only had 45 calories. I didn't feel like i needed to eat more. I was good up until mile 21. holding just under 10:30 pace without too much effort. Then i started to approach the 4 hour mark and around mile 22 i started to fall apart. my legs just started hurting, especially my stupid tight left one. Decided to cut the run short at 23.5 miles and 4hrs and 8 min. Lack of calories i think led to my downfall. I wanted to hit 25.

The worst part of the run is always before you get to the 10 mile mark. Knowing how long you have to be out there for. I need to get a book on tape, the ipod with year old songs isn't cutting it anymore.

 I lost a little confidence in myself i guess after this run, but know that i felt great in a marathon earlier this month when i ate properly. This was just something i needed to do. Will start the taper i guess...will hit 70+ miles this week and then i don't know drop down to 50 and then the following week i'll be in iceland doing a couple really long hikes and that will be that!

 I wish i wasn't going by myself, but i think i'll have a good time.

 



 

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From josse on Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 18:55:01

Everyone has runs like these don't let them get you down. Just make sure you eat.

From haynes on Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 22:24:13

I even think that I didn't eat enough in my 18 mile race. I only had 400 calories during the race and died in the last mile or so. You have to force yourself to eat more than you think you should. No lunch was a bad idea. Don't worry, you are in great shape and almost surely are at that stage at which absolutely nothing can make you sore. You could even take two really easy days and then go for another long run with better nutrition and hydration. But only do that if you need it for the confidence.

From haynes on Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:26:36

I should stop using the term 'almost surely' because it always sounds awkward. But I like it because it is a technical term that describes everything that has an infinite to one probability (like that of not hitting the exact center of a bulls eye). I also use it incorrectly because few things I use it to describe have such probability.

From luzylew on Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:12:53

Hurring to get get ready for a trip, running at 1 in the afternoon, and not eating anything right before a 23 mile run is your 'downfall.' Don't lose confidence--you're strong. Just be rested and well fed when the time is right to race. Traveling is always a life-changing experience. Sometimes traveling alone is the best way to really connect to the experience and the people you meet. Thanks for making for some very exciting reading! Good luck and keep up the blogging.

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Was going to take today off but decided i wanted to go explore a new 1009 acre nature preserve one town over from where i live. I only ran 3 miles there with my dad at a pace slow enough for the flies to eat you. I never understood why people put on bug spray when they go running. Now i know why :)

Tomorrow i'll explore more of the park...there are over 20 miles of trails there. I definitely heard a snake today...didn't see it, but it was no chipmunk.  

 Today shouldn't really count as a run but i will say that i didn't walk...felt very fresh despite yesterday, if only my left ankle didn't have to be iced every day. oh well...maybe in another several yrs it will be normal. As long as i ice it is fine...if i don't ice for more than 2 days, it's bad news. Kind of weird i guess. The achilles problems are gone due to this new stretching device i found at my parents place in my closet. it's way better than wall stretching.

 admittedly way too lazy to stretch on a regular basis....pathetic!

iceland itinerary is now completely set...my biggest fear is not waking up in time for things. I will be tested 3 separate times with the worst being a 4:30 am bus departure for the race...it would be so ridiculous if i can't wake up. Will buy at least 1 or 2 more battery powered alarm clocks.

 

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Was planning on just a run at faster than normal pace but felt really good during the 1.5 miles of warmup going 8:30 pace, which is much faster than my normal easy 10 min pace on the trails. After running so slow yesterday with my dad and Haynes telling me how i must be so scared of him, i decided i would tempo for 3 miles. I started out in 6:51, having no idea what kind of pace to expect...i've done enough tempo runs that i kind of know what the exertion level needs to be. Next mile was 6:55, and the 3rd mile was 7:34!?! which was pretty atrocious but i had a huge rocky 1/4 mile hill to go up which i'm sure hurt me. Came through the 5k in 21:55 and decided i would go back to where i started for a net elevation of zero. it was only 3.67 miles so i decided why not just hit 4. I finished in 28:18, a 6:58 last mile. The terrain was carriage road with some rocks but very hilly. Felt pretty good. Next time i think i'll be prepared to go under 7 min pace, whenever that may be.

did a 3.5 mile cool down, running about 10:10 pace, went on some more single track trails.
good day, hungry, time to eat, maybe stretch and ice my ankle before it starts to act up.

 tomorrow will go back to the park i went to yesterday and explore and do 7-10 miles.

 

 

 

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From haynes on Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 23:45:42

Sounds solid. I see you are looking to hit 70+ this week. I was again sad when I saw your name just above mine on the mileage board today. Looks like it will be next week before I get my revenge.

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trail run 1 hr 53 min at new park. explored outer loop. absolutely awesome! i can't complain that i no longer live in providence...not sure how much speed i'll have though when i do any race on a road. 

i think this run should put me on top of haynes for weekly mileage :)
although this may coax him to step it up...
 

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From haynes on Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 15:14:08

You can have it. I am doing 14 tomorrow with ted, the 14:50 guy. I will do an easy 8 on trails today. Luckily I am comfortably leading you on total summer mileage thus far. We will see how that plays out. You are still talking about going higher than 70. I will probably do the same if you do, but I am just now getting comfortable at 70. You would think that now I am only running on the trails or the track I would be more tired, but the mental advantage of never being bored on a run has really helped how I feel physically. I do envy all of the trail running options that you have. There is the park 3 miles from me with 8, 4.5, and 3 mile loops and a 1 mile connector trail to another park with a 2.1 mile loop. And then there is a park 50 min away that I am going to tomorrow with about 20 total miles of trails but that is about it within 1hr of nashville. I am planning some day trips to the smokeys later this summer which should be fun. How do you go about finding trails? The only way I know is to search for state/national parks online.

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Ran at Huntington, ran 5.15 miles around 9:45 pace and then on a whim decided i wanted to push myself a bit and did 3 miles at tempo pace. Ran 7:32, 7:02, 7:18. Net uphill gain of 150 feet. Felt pretty good. I like running fast now. The 70 miles a week feels pretty doable and comfortable. Cooled down for ~0.9 miles and called it a day. 

weighed myself on the scale this morning for the first time in a couple months. didn't realize my parents had a scale. 167 :(

as i recall i was down to 164 or so on Haynes' scale, although i always weighed myself after running instead of before so i may have had some water loss. Whatever, i'm sure i'll lose weight in iceland cause the food is so expensive. it's just hard to not eat tons when you go out to eat with your parents and you don't have to pay for anything.  

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ran 1hr 46 at huntington. Stupid GPS watch started counting the mileage backwards after 9.1 so I think i may have run more. I don't usually look at the watch but i wonder if i haven't been running more than the watch has been reading due to the signal going out. the next week i'll have to run roads i guess at cape cod...good to get a last trail run in. i keep forgetting to keep track of the mileage on my shoes. i have 119 miles on my road shoes and 70 now on my trail runners. 

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From haynes on Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 15:35:27

How did it count the mileage backwards? I don't even understand what you mean by that. Sarah wants me to go to erie, PA to do a marathon with her in sept. Its like 8 hours away and doesn't work with my training. She is crazy. But it looks like she has a relay team for the cape cod marathon, so she will be coming with us to that. I am also bad at keeping track of miles on shoes. I haven't thrown away my brooks flats yet but I think I will because I wore them on my 8 mile mary pace run the other day and the holes widened and gave me a small blood blister on my right foot. And my two new pairs of shoes look ridiculously old now that I have run >3 times on trails in each, lol.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 00:26:42

this has happened to me several times actually. It has happened before when the batteries were low but that was not the case this time. I turned around (out and back) in the woods and the watch was at 9.31, then 9.30.....9.1. I turned it off and it couldn't find the satellite and when it did it went up to 459 feet and then started counting back down again. It really pissed me off. I'm actually in providence right now visiting a friend. I think i'll do our old blackstone run tomorrow morning to get as much dirt in as i can before cape cod. what do you think...i may as well just keep the mileage at 70 and just do whatever 1 week before. i never did by the daniels book so don't know what he suggests....i was just thinking how fast your 2:07 18 mile trail race was...must have been short for sure :)

i'm the complete opposite of you, i won't touch a shoe with more than 500 miles on it...until you get a stress fracture i wouldn't be scared either.

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was in providence so i ran the Haynes classic training run...1hr 15 min, it felt good to actually run under 8 min mile pace for the first time in weeks. 128 miles on brooks.  

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From haynes on Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:02:27

To be fair, that route is at least 50% your creation. And it evolved over time as we found more and more dirt and ways to extend the distance. Evolved is a good term for what happens to routes actually. Changes are often by chance or whim (construction detour, going backwards one day) and the best changes are preserved if possible. We just need to incorporate some sort of route recombination, reversals, transposition, and deletions and then it would even be more realistic. I wrote more about this, but I decided that I am a dork and would leave it at that.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 20:47:12

i know but Haynes classic just has a nice ring to it. you need to put on a race and call it that. well, you know how strongly i feel about that already. the rest is up to you. the route is for sure more mine...

i am a true mastermind

From haynes on Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 22:43:36

This is a bit disturbing. I didn't get on the front page of the mileage board for last week. And you didn't get on the top page for the last month cumulative page. These people are serious. 70mpw isn't cutting it. Well, it almost is. 72 is enough. If it weren't for that *#&$ Cheston. He refuses to change his blogging of cycling miles. He has done one workout so far this week--a 50 mile bike ride. That is already a large majority of the miles I will run in a whole week. And yet 2 of my runs this week will take longer than that bike ride took.

From bedoukian on Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 23:13:31

we should just start putting in driving mileage as easy miles. I mean you have to put your foot down and use your arms to steer. Some of us even have to drive manual transmissions and is even more strenuous. it might be fun to get a reaction to end the bike mileage being posted. i mean i drove over 200 miles the last 2 days...didn't even drink or eat anything...pretty tough workout

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Ran at nickerson state park in cape cod today. Mostly pavement but a few miles of dirt trails/roads. First mile was 9 min and then after that averaged 7:30 for the next 8. Pushed myself a bit, the run was fun on windy hilly bike trails. Tomorrow i'm going to go explore jeremy point, which is an ~8 mile round trip trail run i think. will go at low tide in the afternoon so i can go as far out as possible. Today I went out at low tide at the bay and was able to walk out 1.1 miles before turning around. Nothing above the knee. Could have gone farther but it was getting close to dinner time. 

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Went to Jeremy point....at least i think so, it was hard to tell since i could have went out farther since i went at the lowest possible tide. It was supposed to be 4.1 miles to the point but it took me 4.45 and was entirely a sand path. I had a tick on me from a tall grass section but got it off before it could bite. There was no one there at all...i had 2 miles of beach all to myself and the birds. The running on the sand was challenging. many dead birds and shells and horseshoe crabs that were just shells. wish i had more time just to hang out there and relax. Running time 1hr 26. shoe mileage 146 on brooks.

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1hr 25 min on mostly rolling bike trail at nickerson. some dirt. looking to do a longer run on sand tomorrow to reach 70. may go back to jeremy point as it was awesome...not liking the pavement. also not stretching or icing lately. extremely foolish. 

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From josse on Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 23:32:17

As soon as I stop doing the things that take care of the body like stretching. I start feeling the injuries lurking. Start doing it again now!

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2hr 8 minute run on dirt roads and trails. 170 miles on brooks. 

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From josse on Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 19:48:59

Hope everything is going good. When is your big race over seas? I hope it goes well.

Race: Laugavegur ultra marathon (34 Miles) 00:05:15, Place overall: 7, Place in age division: 1
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I just got back from iceland yesterday and so i can say some stuff about the trip. I have never had a more enjoyable week in my life. Iceland is a great place. I didn't sleep well since it never got dark and i did a bunch of camping, but it is simply awesome.

The only running i did was the previous saturday i ran 13. On tuesday i hiked up the highest peak in iceland with a guide. I was on the largest glacier in europe. it was pretty spectacular. It was a 6700 ft ascent and total distance was 15 miles total. The trip took just over 12 hours. The day after I did another long 5.5 hour hike/tiny bit of running for 13 miles up a mountain with 3300 foot of vertical. Legs were a bit tired on thursday. On friday I walked around reykjavik that day and on sat was the race. The bus left at 4:30am and we didn't get to the race start until 8:40 or so and the race started at 9. Our bus was the last one in line so i barely checked in and got to the toilet in time. I didn't have time to discard my jacket or body glide in my pocket which was annoying. there was simply no time. I didn't feel all that well for the first 1.5hrs. i had some problems with my stomach and a woman was in front of me by a tiny bit as well as people who don't look fast. Then I farted a ton of times and felt much better. I picked it up and just kept getting faster. By the end I couldn't seem to get tired no matter how fast i went. I passed about 15 people in the last 20km and a satisfying last person in the last km that i couldn't even see. I just felt inspired and amazing. it was weird. The first 15km was quite difficult, and gained 1500ft. There was sulfur and boiling mud and snow fields. The weather was rainy, windy and a little cold. The last part of the race was sandy and very flat except for a final hill. There were several fun river crossings with ropes. After about 30km my legs were hurting a bit but as i slowly gained distance on the people in front of me i felt stronger and stronger. is running all mental? Physiologically how can i keep feeling like i have more energy and less tired and no pain anymore? Anyway i won my 18-29 age group (only 18 people) and came in 7th out of 242 people that started.

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From haynes on Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 16:06:40

Good job. That is some serious hiking you did. You know the kenyans often have their young runners do long hikes in lou of long runs once a week. Now it is T-15 weeks to marathon. Better get serious... j/k. I sent you an email regarding my training plans. This weekend I am going out to california to visit some friends and I am going to run in a (not 'the great') redwood forest.

From josse on Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:06:28

Sounds like you had a great time on you trip. And once you pass gass it sounds like you had a great race. Running is alot mental, or maybe it just makes us mental. Either way gaining mental tuffness helps you race better. Looking forward to you and Haynes battling it out in the marathon;)

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easy mileage on sand. felt ok. was barely sore the day after the race, nothing at all the day after. just feel a little drained.

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ran around 8:15 pace on the cape cod rail trail. very flat and boring. felt like i could maintain that speed forever but did not feel super good. think by the weekend i should get back to almost normal. i need to seriously by the daniels running book and start following the training plan. as haynes is keeping track and there are 15 weeks to go. i think haynes will defeat me as i don't care as much about the race as he does and i will have another race to hurt me in a couple weeks, the escarpment trail run which is apparently a brutal 18 miles in the catskills with about 10k of elevation gain. would like to break 2:55 though and not just 3....and then not run another road marathon again. this last race has got me thinking about going back to ultras again...this is my default state with no training partner. it's easier for me to just go out and run long than fast....and also i feel like i have more potential in 50 mile races since fewer people do them and i seem to be able to keep going longer compared to most people, in part due to my superior stomach processing power and eating abilities.

 

brooks shoes have 187 on them. trail runners have about 150.

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4.5 miles on beach sand. kind of annoying...felt ok. 196 miles on shoes. will be glad to be at home in the woods again in a couple days.

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horrible sickness...tried running after eating general tso's tofu.....felt like quitting running

forever. hopefully next week i'll get back on track with miles and workouts....
 

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good to be home again...felt a little better in the morning but ran in bad heat and

immediately got horrible stomach problems. ran on road with 3.1 miles of dirt roads

mixed in. 220 miles on brooks.
 

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1hr 47 min trail run...felt horrible during the day but no matter what i'm hitting 70 this week.

I have a difficult 30k trail race on sunday so i want to go heavier early in the week. 210 miles on montrails... 

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1hr 48:30. Felt kind of pathetic like it hurt a bit to run on the technical sections of the trails. 231 miles on shoes. hmm, contemplating not hitting 70 this week and taking two days before the race easy so i don't completely suck. excuse of not recovered yet after ultra. why does it take so long to recover? it seems lame. 

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From haynes on Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:21:04

If you want to run 70 miles/week on really hilly trails, its like running 90mpw on flat roads or 80 on relatively flat trails. For example, I ran less than an hour yesterday, but got 8.65 miles in. It was too fast, but 1:10 would have been easy. This was at the only flat course in nashville that I know of. It was at a park with a bike trail going right next to the cumberland river. Also since you missed sunday it is kind of silly to try for 70 this week. I did the same thing and I am doing exactly what you are. I want to make up for that lost day, but I know thats not how it works. That day did give you a bit more rest, but not enough to do double on another day or even probably to spread out the extra mileage over then other 6 days. I will probably hit 70 because I am obsessed with the numbers. But I will run more on roads so that it takes less time which is bad. But hopefully it will satisfy my ego.

From haynes on Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:23:41

Oh, my bad, you didn't miss sunday. I really have some catching up to do, lol.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.600.000.000.0011.60

went out during the tour de france. the beginning part is always really boring and there is 3 min of riding 5 min of commercials for 5 hrs. so i decided to get in 3.3 miles by running out and back 3 times on the dirt road adjacent to my house. i got back exactly as the leaders were making their way up alpe d'huez. it was awesome to watch carlos sastre pull away! he probably still won't win though unfortunately. anyways, then i had a phone call i had to make at noon so i ran 1.2 miles down the road. Then i made the phone call and ran an out and back 7.1 miles, only 3.4 of that was on pavement. i like the out and back. there are 2 major climbs in it. and the dirt roads are really nice. i'm thinking this will be a good route for me to get maximum dirt in and stay off main roads. running on technical trails every day right now just hurts too much...not even just the legs but the feet. may do an am and pm 7 mile out and back to be on my way to getting 70 with a minimal day of running on sat before the race. i really need to stretch, i feel so much better and fresher when i do and it doesn't take me 5 miles to feel a good stride. am i beginning to get motivated again? a friend i talked to was thinking about going to hawaii in jan. the hurt 100 is in january. i would "only" do the 100k if i did it at this point which is enough suffering with the winning time of 17 hrs last year and 2nd place 20hrs. intriguing...it will be interesting to start working again in a week. i really miss having structure...it's amazing how i make time go by. i'm beginning to seriously question how anyone accomplishes anything with how little time there seems in a day. 

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From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:11:42

I have also noticed how much my feet hurt after a long technical trail run. And the hurt also seems to build up over several days of technical trails. I am glad I am not the only one. And that is with your montrails? At least its not just because I run trails in road shoes.

From bedoukian on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:23:33

also, recovery from a marathon is supposed to be 5 weeks. i should only be running 30mpw this week. ha! advanced marathoning looks pretty good. the thing to do differently is have lots of shorter 6 mile runs but with much longer 15 and 20 milers mixed in the week. there's a program specifically in the book for people who will max out at 70 and then there's a 93 one. they also have the recovery week you talked about.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:32:41

Despite the sense that stress/recover/repeat makes, I think that running 10-15 miles is just as good or better for fitness than running 20 miles. The book again to carthage makes this point and Denton only has cassidy do like 4 20+ milers in his 3 years of training. But he did 13-15 milers every day. I think of it like 200 repeats for the mile. If you get 2-3 in fairly close to the race, you will be in the zone for the race. Doing 20 milers is also more likely to injure you or catch you without glycogen or food. And in this kind of heat it even harder.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:34:47

5 week recovery for a marathon... I just don't buy it. After 2 weeks I feel 100% even with decent volume.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:37:29

I think pfitzinger is also one of they guys who swears by doing long runs without food to train your body to use more fat. But there is no scientific data to support it. Sure, it makes sense, but is it even a good thing? I think that it would be better to just have enough carbs (by taking gels during the race) to not need much fat burning. And hitting the wall in training is bad for fitness in my opinion.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:38:09

Ok, im gonna go get this stupid book...

From bedoukian on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 22:07:06

i can't believe you're drawing workout strategies from again to carthage...it's not the same as once a runner, the workouts in there are stellar. i'm going to change my workout strategy starting next week. we'll see in oct whose workouts paid off.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 22:37:27

I do agree that specializing each day to a different purpose and stress level is good. But that doesn't necessarily extend to miles. Sometimes it does. But at 70 miles per week a 6 mile easy day differentiates the stress level too much in my opinion. Think about it. Sunday long run 20 miles, monday 6 miles, tuesday track workout totaling 9 miles, wednesday 6 miles, thursday tempo run totaling 8 miles, friday 6 miles, saturday 10 miles makes 65. So I guess you could add those 5 miles on to the warmup/cooldown of the track workout or tempo run but often I hurt too much from those workouts to do much more. Just check out daniels stress level charts. Running at tempo pace is several times as stressful as easy pace and VO2max program is about twice as stressful as that. So stress level can vary quite a bit day to day doing 8-10 miles per day depending on how long your long run is that week. I like the idea of a semi-long run, but that means sacrificing either the tempo run or VO2max workout, which I refuse to do very often. The marathon training workouts in daniels like 20 miles with 5 miles at marathon pace, 1 at threshold, 5 easy, 1 at threshold, 5 at marathon pace, 3 easy. I don't think that many people can do that as a workout at the correct paces. I think its too hard.

From bedoukian on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 23:27:16

pfitzinger is all about increasing the lactate threshold...and pure endurance. he thinks v02 max workouts should be used sparingly and aren't nearly as important because they tire you out too much. pfitzinger got to 2:11 in the marathon. what about daniels? i think the point he's making is that you need to be able to put in quality long runs at only 10% slower than marathon pace almost every other day and you need not to be wiped out by v02 workouts which tire you out for days. you're a miler and not a marathoner so i understand which is why i will crush you at the cape :) if i start training properly that is....

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.100.000.000.007.10

3.7 dirt, 3.4 pavement....was hoping to run in the morning too but wicked thunderstorm. 

according to my new advanced maratoning running book i should be recovering for 5 weeks anyway but i want to keep trail racing until people start beating me that i've previously beaten. once that starts happening i'll know i'm overtraining.


haynes disagrees and says he's fully recovered after 2 weeks. i also am recovering from a 34 mile trail race which is probably 50% more effort of a normal marathon.  

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From haynes on Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 22:50:57

Yeah, take 3 weeks recovery, thats fine. I would say 40, 50, and 60 miles each week without workouts or races... Now what do you think about it. BTW, my weeks have already been more differentiated in stress than yours have been this summer. But I would say that you have actually done more LSD training than I have because you have done more technical trail running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.400.000.000.007.40

1hr 2 min run, probably around 7.4 miles with my pace as of late. gps didn't start

working for a while. ran to the post office with mail. will take tomorrow off for race on sun. i'm going to get destroyed by the terrain i think. i'm still excited though cause i've never been to the catskills. i heard it's only ok but looking forward to it.

247 miles on brooks

231 on montrails-i'm so bad at keeping track of mileage.

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Race: Escarpment Trail Run (18.6 Miles) 00:03:25, Place overall: 6
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0018.600.000.0018.60

now that i live only a couple hrs from the catskills in NY i decided to give the escarpment trail run a try and see what was so difficult about it. this is hands down the most ridiculous course i've ever raced and i've raced many. it was really fun, there were no views despite running along a high mountain ridge the whole time. there would have been a couple if it wasn't cloudy and then raining and then crazy thunderstorms with hail by the end (thankfully i was in my car by then). I didn't know how i would feel. i had lost confidence in the last couple weeks since iceland since i hadn't been running that much trying to recover and didn't feel that great while running. There were 175 people who signed up and at the start we had to run through a mud pit up almost to the waist from the huge storm the night before. i settled in, i think in 11th place going up the first 2000ft climb. there is apparently 10k of elevation gain in the 30km race which i don't doubt. i hate the first climb more than anything because everyone is establishing position and you don't know how many faster people there are than you. it's just nice getting that settled after the first hr and then you know if you feel good you'll stay put and move up and if you don't at least you control you own destiny. so i got up to the top and there was all this poison ivy and shrubbery that was irritating my legs. after about 45 min i got to the top and i caught up to 2 guys who had passed me on the climb and annihilated them on the downhill which was especially sketchy because you couldn't see what you were running on. i'm not exaggerating. then the next climb wasn't as long but involved climbing with your hands and was sick steep for about a mile. one of the guys caught up to me who i found out ran a 4:08 mile last yr but apparently was partying more this year. i again crushed him on the downhill and would not hear his footsteps again. the rest of the course didn't bring any huge memorable climbs although it did go up still. a lot of sitting on rocks so you didn't slip and i caught up to another person and then in the last mile i passed 2 more. there was one place near the end in the fog where i could have easily fallen off a cliff if i wasn't careful. would have been nice to have a warning sign. i was talking to a guy who beat me this year who last year fell 10 feet off a rock only 100yds from the finish and broke 4 ribs. i'll probably do this race again. i felt pretty good and realize that i have really good endurance. i can just keep going, maybe not as fast as i would like. the winning time was 2:59 and i finished in 3:25 which i guess is respectable. overall i'm pretty satisfied. i'm glad all the big races are out of the way now and i can go back to the weekend trail racing series of shorter distances. just the cape cod marathon to go i guess to prove myself. 

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From Burt on Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 21:58:56

Congratulations! Sounds like an adventure!

From bedoukian on Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 22:30:07

thanks. it was a lot of fun!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

ran up the road and across the street to the trails i ran when i was in h.s. there didn't used to be a development next to these trails and a couple hundred acres were destroyed basically and there was a good access trail. my brother and i didn't realize how overgrown the alternate access trail was and were sketched out about ticks and me about snakes but i beat him in a double rock paper scissors and not only did we do the trail but he had to lead. when i led i just farted on him at will which made him lead again. i didn't really feel tired at all from the race yesterday which surprised me. legs didn't feel dead or anything, just a slight soreness in my sides but barely. i won't be going back to these trails anytime soon although they would be nice in the winter but then i have to worry about bow hunters.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.650.000.000.001.65

feeling very uninspired...wasn't even going to run but my two brothers were going to run out an back on the dirt road at the bottom of our driveway so i went. i guess recovery isn't a bad thing. i feel so unmotivated immediately after racing a long distance. i guess what i don't know is how long one should really take off or run easy for in order to not get worn down. everyone is probably different and i didn't feel like the race took a lot out of me. The downhills were much too technical to push it so i guess i only raced about 9 miles and some of that was using my hands so i'm down to 8 maybe. i don't really have any sort of plan this week. hoping i guess that i want to run...short 7 mile trail race this sat. will wear road racing shoes for the first time...my heavy clunkers meant for 100 mile races have got to go! it's hard picking out a new shoe though when you've had the same ones for years. i've gone through 8 pairs of them. I wonder if i'd gain minutes in races over 3hrs by wearing trail racers. i'd like to think it's that easy...only one way to find out. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.400.000.000.0013.40

2hr 13 min trail run, felt fine, started to feel like i was locking up a little bit

by the end but was glad my legs felt fairly fresh. listened to a book on tape while running which made the time pass much better. i think this will be a new thing for me.

262 miles on brooks.  

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From haynes on Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 15:27:26

What book? Where did you get it? Did you start the service I use?

From bedoukian on Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 16:03:27

prisoner of birth by jeffrey archer. i highly recommend it so far! my mom gets books on tape from the local library...they have a great selection for some reason although the library is not big.

From haynes on Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 16:34:17

I went to a play that he was in-and was written by him in london. This was just after he got out of jail himself. I forgot what he was in for though. So these are seriously books on 'tape'? I much prefer mp3's because of no moving parts and such, but when its free vs 10 bucks per book i guess I could deal with it.

From bedoukian on Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 17:01:46

they are on cd...i download them to my computer and make mp3's for my ipod. it takes about 5 min. the only annoying thing is the ipod scrambles up the chapters sometimes

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.100.000.000.007.10

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Race: People's forest CT st trail championship (7 Miles) 00:51:46, Place overall: 3, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.500.005.002.008.50

did a 7 mile trail race today. didn't get to run yesterday cause couldn't wake up early enough in the morning (since i actually work now) and went to see my old dog who my brother is helping to take care of while his new parents are away. needless to say i felt pretty good today with the day off and low mileage. I decided to wear road racing shoes since the distance was so short and not my clunky trail runners. MUCH better, I felt so much more nimble and light. mentally it was good.

I went out kind of hard i guess although it never feels hard until after 3 or 4 minutes especially if the first 3 miles are climbing. there was this really fast road runner guy who beat the guy who wins all the trail races pretty handily last year and he broke his own record again this year and easily won by 4 min over him and 7 over me (who i just checked on and consistently runs 5 mile road races in the high 25 minute range). So i settled into 3rd place and lost site of the 2nd place guy after about 4 min which when it is Ben Nephew is pretty good for me. Must be the shoes :) I'm running alone until mile 2.5 when there is a break in the trail and no marker. i go left and then think i should just go straight which was the right decision thankfully. i lost probably 10-15 sec there and got passed in the next minute by a tall skinny looking guy who at least looked fast. I knew after mile 3 people said you could double your time and predict your finishing time so i was thankful that it would be a lot easier. There was a beautiful view i caught out of the corner of my eye but wanted to pull back the 15 sec that i now trailed the guy in front of me. As the trail got a little technical and downhill i completely recovered and caught up and passed the guy by mile 4. then there was a dirt road which we ran evenly on and some rollers. I couldn't shake him but i wasn't red lining yet...i was hoping that the trail would steepen and get more technical....with one mile to go it did and i accelerated as fast as i could on the downhill and sprinted the next uphill to get out of site and discourage my opponent. it worked and i ended up beating him by 50 sec. it was awesome to have a runner to push you...Luckily too cause he was my age and would have gotten the medal instead of me.

after the race we were lucky enough to have a clean and cold river to clean off in. Awesome race!

hopefully tomorrow i can get a nice long run in.






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From haynes on Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 22:21:30

Killer race, great job. But you can't count 7 miles as VO2max. People can only maintain VO2max pace for around 15 minutes. I count 5k's as vo2max because its reasonably close. I count up to 10 miles as threshold and longer races as marathon pace.

From bedoukian on Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 22:34:03

i def went into vo2 max on the uphill. i'm kind of lazy when it comes to reading training books about running. i liked having you as my coach better. i should have run the loop again like you did at your 5k race but got caught up in the socializing. no fargo today unfortunately...sharkey came in 6th.

From haynes on Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 22:49:37

Im sure you did hit vo2max or go anaerobic on some of the hills, but that doesn't make it 7 miles of vo2max. At most I would count it as 2 miles of vo2max and 5 miles threshold. Again, I'm not putting down your race, it sounds great. But nobody can keep up vo2max for that long without breaks. Intervals are what allow us to get 3-5 miles of vo2max work in one workout.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

got a later start than i wanted today but it was pretty cool and not too sunny. i've started liking my road shoes more than my trail runners even on trails because they are lighter and my 2 year long chronic ankle injury seems to be disappearing. i forgot my 2 water bottle holder which was ok cause i did 2 different trail loops that i could go back to the car. the first was at 11.4 miles and i had won some peanut m and m's from the race and had those to snack on as well as energy drink. i went back out and at mile 16.5 and 2 hrs 35 min my gps lost the satellite signal and I kind of have to guess exactly how far i'd gone. I had averaged 9:24 up to that point and i was feeling my legs. I ran till the watch read 3:08 and change and if i had kept that pace would have run just over 20 miles which is what i'll give myself cause i tried to increase the effort slightly to keep pace. felt pretty good and refreshed. must have been all the low mileage weeks till now. no race this next weekend but a 20 mile trail race the week after up in northwest MA. i really want to put on a trail race and have become serious about it. i'll have to inquire with the town and see if it is even possible...

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From haynes on Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 17:46:06

My classes start on the 25th. I might be back for the race on the 24th or I might not. I will definitely be there for the wapack 17.5 miler. Are you gonna be there? Its probably pretty far for you. Its 2 hrs from providence. I don't know if it would make any sense to meet near the intersection of 90 and 290 and carpool from there. It only adds a few minutes for me. I seriously need to buy some new racing flats. I have xc flats that I use for up to 5 milers but I wouldn't use them for long trail races. How is your job going? When did you start? And can you see how its been a little difficult for me to run 70mpw some weeks this summer (between work, family, and a very small social life)?

From bedoukian on Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 19:37:37

as of now i don't think i'll be driving the 3hrs to wapack. i'll probably do mt toby though the week before on the 24th.

definitely doing the 20 miler the week before at savoy. I'm planning on a 20x400 workout for the first time since i left providence on tues or wed. not sure how fast i'll go out. don't remember what our speed was. 82-83 sec i think? started work on friday. i think 70mpw is easy if you don't race. long 18-20 mile run on the weekend and then it's easy...

From haynes on Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 19:58:17

Yeah, that would make it easy. And if I didn't spend almost every weekend with my mom who disapproves of how much I run or if I were not in the lab right now working on a sunday because stem cells can't survive the weekend without maintenance I would be doing a long run on the weekend. As is I have to get a long run in during the week if I want to get one at all.

From bedoukian on Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:22:06

sorry Haynes, it's funny how certain parents think sports are unhealthy. my dad's parents were like that. the every day thing is one thing i don't miss biology...chemicals can wait. i think you've been training pretty darn well this summer...definitely better than i have. i'm hoping to step it up a notch though in the final 13 weeks...i was looking at sasha's marathon calculator for qualifying for boston with a 3:10. for someone who runs 70mpw they only need 19:55 5k speed. on 5mpw you need to run a 16 something :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.500.000.000.004.50

slow 10 min mile recovery run...11.6 miles on new shoes, really like them. 

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From haynes on Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:11:57

These are the brooks ST3 racers? I love those shoes. I am gonna buy another pair soon. My friend ted is in this runners world shoe review program in which he is given a new pair of shoes every month to try out and then write a short review about them. It turns out we are the same size foot, so he is gonna give me 2 pairs that he doesn't want. I wish I were in that program.

From haynes on Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 00:30:17

http://runwmac.com/album/greylock2008/gs08_173b.htm

big legs indeed

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.360.000.000.009.36

1hr 32 min run in the morning. it's not pleasant adjusting to shocking myself with waking up 2hrs earlier than normal and running in the mornings. about 2.5 miles of trails...3.4 of road and the rest dirt road. i like my running route a lot. 20 miles on brooks. will see if i do an am workout tomorrow...i doubt it, highly doubt it! it's much easier to plan your schedule than to actual do it. if the closest track wasn't more than 10 min away maybe. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.600.000.000.006.60

26.6 miles on brooks...almost didn't go because waking up at 5:30 to pouring rain...and thunder isn't very welcoming. run 1hr 1 min....kind of fun though on the dirt roads. hopefully i can wake up early to get in more miles...will be tough. left inner ankle acting up the day after my 20 miler...just kind of tight...the outer ankle no longer hurts but has decided to move...definitely no time to ice or stretch anymore

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From haynes on Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 00:16:29

Thunderstorms are my favorite time to run during the summer. I don't think that I have missed one yet actually. It rained during work once this summer but it wasn't a thunderstorm.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.100.000.000.008.10

7.8 miles am...about 3 miles on trails, only 3.4 on road.

was planning on about 5 or  6 in the afternoon...but crazy lightning storm with hail.

power line was knocked down right near house and closed our road. i got 0.3 on the treadmill before power went out...decided to risk running outside....but no sooner did i open the door i saw a lightning strike 20 feet from me which set our house alarm off. the previous day a large tree branch fell 10 feet from hitting me...
 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.100.000.000.0012.10

started running at 5:31 am, the earliest start of the year. i saw a bat right when i started which freaked me out cause i've had bad experiences with bats...having one fly into my lips a number of years ago. 47 miles on brooks. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.660.000.000.009.66

 5.4 mile trail run am...planned on doing a 5k race in the evening but for some reason i was feeling a little sick and my right testicle was hurting which i think had to do with a muscle strain.

 
4.26 trail run pm, took it real easy...so not to aggravate anything

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

10 mile trail run am 1hr 41 min. drove with my dad to the trails so didn't have time to do a longer run. super technical...i keep wearing my montrail trail runner shoes hoping they'll stop giving me blisters on the back of my foot. i don't understand it...i've had at least 7 pairs of these shoes and never had a problem...just on my right foot. i decided to toss them. 

 7 mile trail run pm...wore road runner shoes...1hr 10 min.
 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.150.000.000.007.15

can't help watching the olympics at night so ran after work. 1hr 2 min trail run. was a cool 67 out. i'm thinking about purchasing an altitude tent to sleep in at night. they are 5-7000 dollars which is pretty steep but if it is like taking epo it seems like a good alternative. anyone have any idea how much this would improve a marathon time if i slept at 12,000 feet every night?

Between that and running in an ice vest....the running times could be almost elite high school...but that's probably pushing it  :)
 

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From haynes on Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:04:59

I think you have to work up in stages. And I think that most people max out at 8,000 ft. still getting a decent night's sleep. I could see you dialing it up to 12,000 for the first night and not getting to sleep, peeing blood, etc. I think epo might be cheaper though. And the altitude tent is only slightly more natural in my opinion (unless you OD on epo) because your body does make epo just in smaller amounts than the drug doses. And all the altitude does for performance is it triggers your body to make more epo right? I'll look into purchasing some epo for my lab for "research purposes".

From haynes on Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:17:41

Well, it turns out epo is pretty expensive. The generic should be coming out in a few months in europe, but not in the US. It does seem to be OTC which is nice. The going rate is around 200$ per 6 doses and it has to be taken in shots. So probably your altitude tent is a better idea.

From haynes on Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:55:48

If I could just lose 20lb without losing too much muscle my times would be about highschool elite. Oh, and I don't think that anybody runs in an icevest, they just put it on before the race to 'precool'.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.470.000.000.007.47

1hr 7 min trail run. started with my brother and finished with him but he walked a little bit and i ran more. didn't really want to go out today cause i felt tired from watching too much olympics late at night. felt pretty good though out there. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.200.000.000.0011.20

1hr 47 min trail run. i hate people with crappy dogs. i got snarled at not once but twice by the same dog. once each way on an out and back. seriously...when you have a crappy dog that runs at people gnashing it's teeth you can't have that thing off the leash. i was close to kicking it but it was wussy enough not to try anything. 

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From Burt on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 22:06:20

Was the owner around?

From bedoukian on Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 22:16:10

yeah a husband and wife...this happens at least once a week. i like dogs, i've always had one. none of my dogs or my friend's dogs are aggressive towards other people so i don't get what kind of an owner raises a dog that is so unfriendly. it's just annoying. at least these people apologized the first time which is rare. i usually get no response or he's friendly even though it clearly isn't. one of these days i'm going to kick one of these things.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.800.000.000.007.80

1hr 14 min trail run

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.300.000.000.005.30

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Race: Savoy mountain trail run (22.2 Miles) 00:03:29, Place overall: 5, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0022.200.000.0022.20

I drove the almost 3hrs to this race across the road from mt greylock. it was a new course from previous years for some reason and consisted of two loops. i had no idea what to expect and decided to wear my road running shoes and not my heavy trail runners or worn out road racers because of the distance. I didn't enjoy wearing the road shoes at all as the course was extremely muddy and technical. In fact the trail was very overgrown. 4 of the to 5 people in the race got off course and lost at least several minutes including myself. I was no worse off than anyone else really. I didn't feel that great for some reason. I didn't feel like i was pushing myself or trying very hard but for some reason couldn't get myself to go faster. The winner wrote a blog saying how this race destroyed him and he wasn't sure he was going to finish and he is done with this type of trail racing. I feel like i'm getting back into good ultra marathon shape and losing my speed a bit but getting some good endurance . i'm hoping that next year i can improve even more with higher mileage. Glad i went but was a long day driving 3.5 hrs to philadelphia after the 6hr round trip drive.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.100.000.000.0012.10

2hr trail run in new trail running shoes from asics. pretty comfortable, my dad loves them and i'm trying to start wearing lighter shoes and i wasn't happy with my last pair of montrails. no shoe comes close to the rock protection and for some reason when i landed with my left foot on a root and it landed a certain way i got an excruciating pain in my foot. thought it was some sort of stress fracture for a moment but there was no pain when i just ran and didn't bend it so i'm not worried right now. glad to run again after 2 days in philly. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.040.005.000.009.04

did a tempo run on the trails today. hadn't done any speed in a while so was nervous about it. Did a 2 mile warmup and then picked carriage roads that were not too hilly. held 6:40 pace for the first 4 miles but then could only manage a 6:57 last mile as i tightened up and finished in 33:37. Cooled down another 2 miles. I love my new trail racers. They are pumas trailfox II. The size 12 could be a half size smaller but since i ordered them online i'm going to deal with it. Very comfortable and they feel very fast and responsive. will try them out in a 14 mile trail race this sunday.  

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.770.000.000.007.77

1hr 8 min trail run in asics trail shoes

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.970.000.000.004.97

easy trail run

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Race: MT Toby Trail Race (14 Miles) 00:01:41, Place overall: 6
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.500.0014.000.0015.50

Really enjoyed this race. I had people around me who pushed me through the halfway point which was up hill. A long probably 900ft climb was really painful. The run down I pushed almost too hard to enjoy as i tried to drop someone who beat me the previous week and saw there was also another guy 52 who beat me the previous week as well and passed me when i took a wrong turn. I was able to hold them all off. I love my new puma trailfox racing shoes and can't recommend them enough. Wish I was faster but am just not...the winner beat me by 15 minutes which is a really sick time for a course like this one that was mostly on a jeep road and not technical, but it climbed 1900ft total. Not sure if i'll drive the 3hrs to race next weekend. May do another 70 mileage week instead of the 55  I do during race weeks. I'm planning tentatively on a trail marathon 2 weeks from now.

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Comments
From haynes on Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 20:43:15

I am definitely doing the half in 2 weeks. My endurance just isn't there right now. I actually think I am in not so great shape right now. I am back on a good diet, but that will take a few weeks to get any results from. I am gonna do the red rooster ramble tomorrow as a tempo which will give me some idea of where I am for that and shorter races. And I am gonna do this 17.5 mile race sunday which will hopefully jump start the process of getting me into shape. I know its gonna totally kick myand I can't wait. Because then its just a matter of 1-2 more times getting horribly sore until I am invincible for a while (hopefully until after the marathon).

From bedoukian on Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 20:56:17

make sure you send in your race app tomorrow. you need to send it by sept 1, and there's no day of race registration. i send mine in today.

From haynes on Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 21:17:07

for the 17.5 miler or the half marathon? I know that wapak has race day registration, its 25 bucks. BTW, can you give me sharkey's number or email so I can see if he wants to carpool with me this weekend?

From bedoukian on Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 21:29:19

the half marathon you need to pre register.

Tel 401 683-4000

Fax 401 683-6774

BSHARKEY@NEBOATWORKS.COM

From haynes on Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 22:37:15

I missed the deadline, but I am sort of happy about it because 45$ is too much.

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4.870.000.000.004.87

this trail run took me 55 min! Felt sore for the first time in a long while...not super sore but had nothing...

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.520.000.000.0010.52

1hr 53 min trail run. still recovering. Most trail races aren't on dirt roads so it was much faster speed than i'm used to i guess. Hoping for a tempo run tomorrow. we'll see how i feel. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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I'm really glad i took yesterday off....i just wasn't recovering from the past 2 weeks of racing. I decided i'm going to start doing more quality runs in prep for the marathon and not worry about mileage at this point 2 months out. I'll hit at least 55 a week but want to start incorporating more tempo runs and even VO2 max workouts in to get some speed back which i've surely lost since the spring. I repeated a 5 mile trail circuit i did last week. Last week I held 6:40 for the first 4 miles and then a 6:57 for 33:37 total time. This time I started out 6:58 and was scared i was all burned out and sucked....but then i hit mile 2 in 13:34 or 6:36 pace...better...then I hit 19:55 or 6:19 for the 3rd mile and then 26:30 or 6:35 and then finished in 32:59 barely! for a 6:29 final mile. So that felt good. 2 mile warmup and 2 mile cool down. have decided to do wapack 17.5 mile trail race this weekend because it's 3 day weekend that i didn't realize. It will be a good head to head against haynes after our 3 months of individual training. i must say that i don't think i've improved really. i think i've stayed the same....maybe i should be scared! i'll have to check what his time was at the 5 mile training race was tonight.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.400.000.000.008.40

8.4 mile trail run in asics. 1hr 20 min

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.700.000.000.004.70

4.7 mile trail run, probably too many hills for the race tomorrow. inner left ankle has been bothersome all week. it used to be the outer part, go figure...

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Race: Wapack Trail Race (17.5 Miles) 00:02:53, Place overall: 6, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.5017.500.000.0018.00

Woke up at 4:20am to get to this race on time...Was initially excited that none of the really killer fast guys were there and I had beaten all the people at least once this year who ended up beating me so I was disappointed that I was 15 min back, 5 mins at the turnaround. I just didn't have it today. The worst was getting passed at the end by a 54 yr old. He has now beaten me in the two longer races but I can barely take him in shorter races. He ran a 2:51 marathon at Boston last year and he is clearly better than me in endurance right now. He also weighs 113lbs. Oh well...at least I beat Haynes :)

I think the race every weekend is starting to take it's toll on me. 22 mile race then a 14 mile than a 17.5 mile and then this week a marathon trail race which doesn't look easy by the elevation profile. I was hoping that everyone is going to do the 50k the week after since this is the first year of the marathon. If only the 5 or so people that beat me every week aren't there i have a chance to win...although my running prowess is not there right now....

 

Haynes and i decided to switch to a marathon with a net 370ft elevation loss in order to get better marathon times...i'm beginning to worry that breaking 3hrs isn't going to be as easy as i originally thought after 4 months of track workouts earlier in the year.
 

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From haynes on Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:38:40

Don't get too down. If you think about it, we are only slightly worse than we were at the end of last season with all that track work. We just need to string together a month of good training. It doesn't need to be 70+mpw. It just needs to have workouts or races almost every other day. Today I am planning on doing a little speed with tons of recovery fartlek style. It seems stupid, but I like my vo2max pace to feel slow. Then tomorrow I will do a 5x1k workout and then have a recovery day before the wrentham trail race. Assuming I am not destroyed by that I will do 2 vo2max workouts next week. The next weekend there is a 30k road race in ma that I am thinking of doing. After that there is either another 30k or the providence downtown 5k (which at this point seems questionable that I could PR at but could be a good workout). Then there is the hogsback half and then the taper.

From josse on Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 23:42:15

You sure do race alot. What marathon did you two switch to?

From haynes on Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 00:00:02

Yeah, I do race a lot during a season. But I wouldn't say that all of those races are 100% efforts. Most of them are 90-95% effort. The races that I intend to go all out on this fall are the half marathon and the full marathon and the 5k if it is pretty cold (

From bedoukian on Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:58:50

Hey Josse! Nice to hear from you again...the marathon is called the Mohawk-Hudson River Marathon.

From josse on Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 22:42:24

Can't wait to see what both of you do.

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6.760.000.000.006.76

went out with my brother...i did a couple add ons while he walked and i showed him the place where i had a zen moment last week. It's this really awesome downhill section that is probably a solid 1/4 mile with all different terrain. Probably a 150-200ft drop total. Starting to like my asics trail runners finally. As the sun was going down the orange glow through the trees was beautiful. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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2.6 mile warmup followed by a 5k tempo run on trails. The course is similar to what i've been doing for the 5 mile tempo runs but didn't feel like doing the full 5 was a good idea today. The long races are long enough and i wanted to start incorporating more speed. Not like i had much speed. My 5k was a 20:44. Definitely some good hills but I have been able to hold that same pace or even faster for a full 5 miles. Probably not fully recovered. Hopefully i feel pretty good this weekend. I sent in my application for the mount mitchell challenge (40 mile race in winter up and down mt mitchell in NC). It's really hard to get into because priority is given to people who have run the race before which makes entering for a first time difficult. Doesn't seem like a fair strategy but i guess it's the race director's call. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.200.000.000.009.20

ran at huntington...it is starting to get dark too early...may start going to work at 7:30 so  i can leave a half hr earlier. Today I'm 99% sure I saw a bear...i didn't stay very long to look twice but it was large, black, thick legs, bear walk, no collar, and no owner around...i was day dreaming and went down a path that said no trespassing...i've been near there before but never exactly at this place and i'll think twice about going there again. I then booked it up the hill and about 10 min later an owl swooped within 1ft of my head and landed on a tree just above eye level. I stared at it and it looked like one of the flying monkeys in the wizard of oz and it stared back intensely...and after about 10 sec it stepped forward one pace closer on the end of the branch and i saw electricity in it's talons as if it was going to charge at me and yes it won the stare down and i grabbed a stick which was rotten and fell apart in my hands and ran. I didn't let the animals get the best of me and i did another 2.5 mile loop as the darkness continued to engulf me. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

no bear sightings today...i was scared to go to the same place i saw the bear. I did run by where the owl was and got swooped at again...this time there were two of them! I wonder if they have a nest there. felt horrible at the beginning of the run i think it's mostly due to stiffness. By the end felt ok...definitely going to go back to taking the day off before a race. glad the storm is supposed to be bad on sat and not sun when the trail marathon is.

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Race: Curly's Marathon (26.2 Miles) 00:04:17, Place overall: 3
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0.0026.200.000.0026.20

I'm definitely never running the day before a race ever again, I just feel so much better when I don't. I was hoping that no one good was going to be here but usual trail race winner Ben Nephew showed up and was in for the full marathon, but gave me a glimmer of hope when he said he may opt out for the 1/2. We started, and I was right behind Ben for the first mile or so but then the hill came and he pulled away. 3 others passed me on the first climb of 2000ft (a ski trail) but not by much and 2/3 of them were doing the half. Next was some single track and i got to the 5 mile aid station in 49 min feeling pretty good. More rolling single track and I got caught on an uphill by another guy who was doing the half and then i passed him on the downhill section but then we ran together.  A long steep downhill brought me to mile 8 which i dreaded having to climb on the 2nd loop which would be the reverse direction. The  course became ATV trails which were not in the best of shape but pretty good. Lots of up and downs to the aid station at mile 11, I had to poop which made me feel better. I think I need to stop eating dunkin donuts egg and cheese and the new flat bread egg thing before races. I like it though at 5am. Anyways, to get to the turn around point it was definitely longer than 2.1, probably 2.5 to 3 miles as the mostly downhill on good roads took a full 21 minutes. I saw Ben coming back and he was for sure about 12 minutes ahead at the turnaround which i got to in 2:05. I would have beaten the several people in the half marathon as I went out pretty easy and wasn't further back than a couple minutes on the winner of that. The second place guy was maybe 2 mins ahead of me and I was determined to catch him. I started very strongly on the uphill but became discouraged when i couldn't see him. I started to hurt a bit up the steep climbs but felt really strong again with about 7 miles to go. I was slightly nervous I could get caught since i was only ~6 mins ahead of the next people at the turnaround but knew i was running well enough that i should be fine. I ended up finishing 20 mins ahead of 4th place. I actually did catch up to the 2nd place guy in the last mile but it was only because he did a mini loop of ~1/3 mile cause he had his head down and missed the turn. He was too strong-a sub 3hr marathon runner according to his friends...hopefully not 2:59,  and he pulled away from me and kicked it in 2 mins ahead of me. All in all i don't feel too wrecked, haven't been getting sore from these weekend races but i think this week may be an exception...i definitely hurt a  little bit right now and waking up at 4:20am to drive to the 8am start doesn't help either....much better than last week. I only got ~6 mins slower on the return trip of 2:05 instead of 13 mins slower on the return trip of 1:20. 

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Comments
From Snoqualmie on Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 19:41:52

Congratulations on what sounds like a tough race! I enjoyed reading your race report.

From haynes on Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:39:33

Wow, I am so glad I didn't do that race. Great job. I am gonna do a 30k road race next weekend. Hopefully it will start getting my body used to the pounding.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

Decided to go run at a place i hadn't been since h.s. It's on the way home from work in the hills behind a fairly large industrial park that is half empty. Kind of creepy actually in a way...I was only creeped out because i got lost and had to find my way back in the dark. I started running about 5:30...planned on running a couple hrs. I remembered the place being pretty hilly and remembered there being some vistas to explore. In looking for new places to run online this apparently is the start of a trail that runs 15 miles in one direction through 3 towns. I planned on doing an out and back...I ran about 2.75 miles to what looked like the trail was going to come out near a road and i decided to turn back and explore some of the side trails i opted not to take on the way out. I was at literally 35 mins or so, but the terrain was pretty awesome. I started at about 450 feet and got up to almost 900 and down and up several times. On the way back i took some side trails and found an unexpected beautifully made rock stairs and also cut out steps in rock, as well as a sweet bench with a good overlook. My downfall was taking another side trail and thinking i was somewhere i wasn't. I ended up getting down to what i thought was the place i needed to be but then i checked my gps watch as it was getting dark and i was like crap! Needless to say i had to climb a hill again and run back completely in the dark with the owls hooting. at least there appears to be miles of trails back here and i saw not a single person which i like. i'll have to go back soon. i think i'm going to try to hit the track tomorrow for a 5x1000 workout but we'll see if the track is open and also how my motivation is. Surprisingly i wasn't sore at all from the marathon. i don't really get sore anymore and i wonder if that means i don't push my body as hard as i can or if i'm just well trained for the races i do. 

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From haynes on Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:49:12

I am not at the 'can't hurt myself' stage. I wish I was. Maybe after this weekend's race I will be. Good luck on the 1000's. I really think I preferred the 20 400's but who knows... mind tricks. The half marathon is looking to be a little hotter than I would have hoped. It starts at 10am. Why? If it started at 8am it would be much better. We will just have to hope for unseasonably cold weather that day. We have always been extremely lucky with race weather when we are wanting good times.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.050.000.003.107.15

went to the track today after work...wore the racing flats for the first time i'm planning on wearing in the marathon. of course my little left toe got hammered with blisters like it always does on the track. Anyways, i didn't really know what to expect. Haynes had cranked out a solid 5x1000 workout recently averaging between 3:20 and 3:25 but he had been doing some speed workouts in the past couple months while i had only done 3, 5k to 5 mile threshold runs in addition to trail racing 14 miles to a marathon the past 4 weeks. I felt fine on my run yesterday and also from the trail marathon minus the soreness on the ball of my foot. it doesn't hurt during the run but hurts to walk the next day. it went away so i'm not worried about it being a fracture...i bet it got bruised from the tortuous downhills...ok, enough of procrastinating with my times....warmed up 1.8 miles, stretched for the first time in forever and then it was judgement. I knew from the first 200 that i was not going to be hitting Haynes times today and ran a 3:29 1k. i then jogged 400m in about 2:30 and did a 3:32...looking week! then a 3:29, 3:30 and 3:33 for the last one. According to Daniels I went from a 60 vdot from my mile time back in may to a 57 vdot based on my interval workout today. What I would run if I could do a 5:11 mile. I do think i could have run much better with Haynes there too so maybe it's not fair to compare. I'm actually not disappointed, I didn't really hurt, just the speed wasn't there. I'm NOT going to race this weekend. I've said this before but i really think i'm going to focus on speed. Even with this workout i could hit a 2:50 marathon according to Daniels if i was properly marathon trained, which i'm most likely not! If i can drop these to all under 3:29 in a few weeks i'll have some confidence that i can break 3hrs going into the marathon. 1 mile cool down.

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From haynes on Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 23:00:53

I had other people with me. And the 5x1k workout was very difficult for me even with people. Remember to keep your cadence up and to concentrate about relaxing the whole time. What you should be thinking about during an interval is #1 relax, #2 cadence, #3 breathing pattern (2 strides in 2 strides out). Also start thinking about cadence during your easy runs. It will get you used to it and make it easier during workouts and races. You would have hit sub 3:25 with me it just would have hurt more.

From haynes on Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 23:06:25

remember, proper cadence for most people is 180spm so that's 3 strides per second. That is faster than you think so before running look at your watch and say "one two three, one two three..." to get a feeling for the tempo. It requires ridiculously short strides at relaxed paces but is very important to improving running economy.

From bedoukian on Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 23:06:40

thanks for the advice, it's funny how i completely forget about cadence when i go on the track now. during races i try to keep it in mind when i'm grinding up a hill.

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10.000.000.000.0010.00

had an eye doctor appointment in the morning in the next town over and brought my running stuff because i wanted to check out some new trails. I thought the GPS in the car would be enough to find it but what should have taken 10 min took about 30 cause it would bring me to the edge of the state park but i would have had to go through people's back yards on dead end roads. the ball of my foot was hurting again but i'm sure it's from the new shoes i've been wearing...although i brought the same shoes again. The trail began overgrown but after about a mile turned beautiful and I got some good views after a good climb to 1,050ft which is impressive for where i live. did and out and back but the gps went out on the out at 6.1 miles and never really recovered. i wasn't feeling well for starters and i think a lot of that had to do with the pain in my foot and also that i had only had a light breakfast and was out there running for a couple hrs. ran about 10 +/-1 a mile a guess. Excited to explore the next segment of the Ives trail which unfortunately isn't quite finished yet. It's ~15 miles one way over all of the high points in the area. 

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4.800.005.000.009.80

During yesterday's run i wanted to quit running i was so frustrated. Today I took an advil which i never do and switched to my cure all 1lb each montrail hardrock running shoes. Have no idea when the last time i wore these were as the tread is starting to come off but they have soft shock absorbing inserts i had put in. I remember wearing these during a track workout with Haynes when i had a toe blister so bad i could barely walk. I tried on 4 different pairs of running shoes but they all were really painful. i looked online and found what i had and no sight mentioned time off...it doesn't really help, it just remains tight. So i went with the hard soled montrails and i'm not running on any trails for the time being cause any root or piece of rock just kills me. I warmed up for 2.3 miles on the dirt road by my house at just under 8:30 pace and then decided to do a 5 mile loop at tempo pace. I started in 6:35, 6:45,7:00,7:00, 6:50. It was pretty humid and the loop is very hilly with elevations from 550ft to 800ft. There was actually little pain by the end of the tempo run and then i did a 2.5 mile cool down (another loop) and it started to come back. Overall though feeling much better. Will stick to the roads this week. Even the dirt roads aren't comfortable anymore cause they have tiny pieces of gravel in them. 

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From haynes on Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 16:25:49

I think you need to get on to some flat roads (remember that 10 mile tempo on dirt roads where we had trouble hitting 7:15's). The pace will feel much more natural on a fast surface. But also I think you haven't fully recovered from the trail marathon a week ago. Just because you are not sore does not mean that it didn't affect you aerobically as well as musculoskeletally (is that a word?). So what is the problem with your foot? Just bruised? Pinched a nerve?

From bedoukian on Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 17:45:46

There really aren't any flat roads where i live. i'd have to go to the track. Before i knew the gps lied it said the loop i did gains 2300ft in 5 miles :) It's 1,000ft per 10 miles error on the track, so the run probably gains 500-1000ft. the flattest road around has too many cars on it and a poor shoulder.

Metatarsalgia is my self-diagnosis. The ball of the foot is feeling much better today after taking the advil and not aggravating it on the trails and wearing the magical montrails. I felt the pain start not during the marathon last sun but the day after when walking around. Just 2 more races left this year..

From haynes on Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 18:01:50

I advise you to go to the track for the next tempo workout if your blisters can handle it. Do the 3x2mile or the 4x2km workout. It will be much better mentally to have some decent times. Wear the montrails if you need to.

From bedoukian on Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 19:21:26

what pace do you recommend for the 3x2 mile?

From haynes on Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 20:22:04

Once you are recovered from the marathon, doing 6:05-6:10 should be fairly easy (assuming the weather is not hot or windy). We did the 5 mile tempo at 6:10 pace but we had people behind us racing which helped. I did a 4x2km workout on thursday in which I hit 5:54 pace consistently. I had someone right with me the whole time though so that helped. He is sort of a douchebag, but I am hoping to get around that because we are perfectly matched for training.

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8.400.000.000.008.40

ran on the road today...some of it was dirt. Took 2 advil today, cause in the morning my foot hurt a little. loosened up during the day and then took another one right b4 running. Felt only mildly uncomfortable until i took the dirt road to the park...i stepped on a pebble and had excruciating pain for a few moments. ran it off and was fine. feels better than a couple days ago so i'll keep running. hopefully i'll be up for a decent track workout tomorrow. it's funny how these days the track is the least painful while a slow jog in the park is devastating.  

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3.500.006.000.009.50

Went to the track today after work. i saw an older asian woman walking with her hands behind her back clasped together...i wouldn't have thought anything of it except there is an older asian man who i almost hit every morning on my drive to work that also walks like that. i wonder if it is genetic or cultural. it looks pretty cool though. 

 the weather was perfect for a track workout but i was a little bit unsure of my new running shoes. last workout was miserable but i put some body glide where i had trouble. unfortunately the skin on the side of my left foot came off today and is bunch up a couple mm thick. my skin isn't made for the track i guess.

i did 3x2 miles today and i was mistaken that i had thought Haynes said to run b/w 6:10 to 6:15 instead of 6:05 to 6:10. First mile 6:08, second 6:20. Didn't feel like i was trying really but was afraid of the workout. Took 2 laps around the track then did 6:10, 6:12. I could hear the blister sloshing around but it broke on the 3rd repeat. I'm amazed that it takes so little time to form a blister. 6:08 first mile, 6:11 second. Didn't lock up and felt like i could have done another 2 repeats at this pace but could only manage to do 2 cool down laps due to the pain.

 The ball of my foot was only felt during warmup and the track is really the best place to run for me due to the even surface. Only 3 more weeks really of training. I'm kind of enjoying the workouts again and the week off from racing makes me feel much faster.

 I also started taking endurox R4 after every run to see if it will help me recover better. it can't hurt.

 will take another crack at the 5x1000 in a couple days if the track doesn't have some sporting event on it. I think i need v02 workouts and speed more than anything else right now.



 

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From highway61 on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 21:54:43

I think it might be cultural. A number of older Chinese people in our apartment complex go on walks with their hands behind their backs in the way you describe.

From haynes on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:53:48

Good confidence booster. Your blister held you back, but I am sure you could have done that workout at 6 flat with a little more confidence and better skin. You were always better than me at tempo workouts.

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objective: deal with painful blisters and run through any additional foot pain before it gets dark.

 Used a liberal amount of vaseline to cover the blister which is 1/3 the size of my foot. not really a blister anymore but raw skin. didn't need the advil today for my ball of foot pain...felt yesterday's workout a little bit i guess since i didn't really feel like i had a good pop in my stride.

 decided to not add on any additional miles to avoid bats and not overdo it cause i plan on doing 5x1000 tomorrow on the road with the gps. No more track until the blister heals. i think the road is flat enough that it will be close to the track in terms of speed. not enjoying the road pounding. i hope that by this weekend i'll be ok to venture out on the trails again, at least ones that aren't too rocky.

objective met!

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From haynes on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 22:26:45

Are you making fun of my objective thing or are you embracing it? It does seem a bit hokey now that I think about it. I do suggest getting some long road runs in to get used to the pounding. The road will slow you down around mile 18-22 if you aren't used to it.

From bedoukian on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 22:28:59

totally making fun of you! i refuse to do a long road run if i can avoid it. may have to if my body keeps rejecting the trails. i think i have enough of a cushion on you that i can afford to slow down...

From haynes on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 22:55:54

Ok, removed all of the objective stuff. But really, I am feeling pretty confident right now. We will see how the half marathon goes, but I am thinking of racing not much slower than your recent threshold workout (6:20 pace is my goal). And as for the marathon, at least I have a long race which indicates sub 3. We should talk a little strategy for both the half and full soon. What kind of pace do you want to start at? I figure we should run the first 9 or 10 for the half and the first 18 for the marathon. I don't know if we should try to even split, or positive split and by how much. I really doubt that I could negative split and actually get my best time. But I don't want to bank too much time. I am thinking start at 6:45 for the marathon (but no faster). And the half pace is even more delicate. Maybe starting at 6:20 for the first few miles and trying to speed up from 3-8 assuming that we won't be able to hold it for the last 5.1 miles.

From bedoukian on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 23:03:15

i think i can for sure hold 6:20 on a flat 1/2 marathon course in a race. i have to be faster than when i ran a 1:24 on a hilly course in 2005. i'm planning on going out in 6:20 in the half. I always fade in almost every race so i need to go out at a decent pace. what is sub 3? I think i'll start around 6:50 for the marathon. as it is uphill through mile 2.

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was going to do 5x1000 until last night when i saw a workout in advanced marathon training was 6x1000. not like i really read any of it...

i couldn't go to the track because my foot looks like it is bleeding so i had to go do the workout on the road. i went to the flattest place i know which is the road with the most traffic in my town. i almost ended up getting hit by drivers pulling out of side roads not expecting runners but i'm still alive. The course had 2 slight hills, not more than 10 feet or so each but enough to feel. I took 90 sec of rest in between. the first couple i jogged but had to walk at the end. splits were...

3:38, 3:32, 3:36, 3:36, 3:38, 3:41 

 i enjoy doing these on the road much more than the track. it was too dark to really do more mileage and my left foot still has a bad blister and just feels awkward cause i'm compensating a bit. i think by sat it won't be a factor.
 

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From haynes on Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 21:13:20

Yeah, the downside of having the running club to run with is that it is hard to do a longer workout than most people would consider. I think the 5x1km is asking a lot of most of them at this point. Only one guy did the 3rd set of the 3x5x400m with me and I wanted to do 4 sets but just couldn't on my own. Tomorrow I will do 3x2 miles and am feeling good about 6 flat for that. It would probably be better to do even more, like 4x2 miles at 6:10-15 but nobody would do it with me. I am planning a crazy solo road workout for next wednesday (22 miles including 8-10 at marathon pace and 4-5 at threshold pace). I will aim for 6:50 for marathon pace and 6:10-15 for threshold pace. It is a bit close to the half but its the only time I could schedule it. I will do it mid morning to maximize the recovery time.

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5.5am, woke up at 5:30 only to find out it doesn't get light enough to see and have no chance of bats till 6:15. ball of foot pain is gone but red skin was dreadfully painful. loosened up after about a mile and was not too bad. pain is relative. 

 5.5pm same out and back loop. i like the 1.1 mile dirt road, there are only 3 houses on it and one of them is a farm.

 it's getting dark too early! am thinking about getting to work at 7:30 to get off at 4:30 to have more light.

 

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was planning on running to some trails to run but after running down a dirt road thought better of it. my blister only was unpleasant for 0.5 miles and then was fine. It was a beautiful day and I actually enjoyed running on the scenic roads around town. I unexpectedly found a 1.5 mile dirt road that no cars can go on. Don't know why it's there but it was real pretty, especially the part that went by the swamp. Managed to do an 18.8 mile loop than did an out and back for an even 20. The hardest part was the 300ft climb in 0.5 miles at mile 18. Tightened up a little bit around mile 14.5 but nothing too bad. Could have cruised the flats pretty well but was in no condition to deal with hills. Averaged 8:30 which is fine considering the course. Not sure if i have more or less confidence about breaking 3hrs right now. i'd say this was a neutral run. 2hrs 50 min, wore some old trail shoes which were really quite comfortable on the road. maybe the advil i snuck in helped. 

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From haynes on Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 14:14:29

I think that your training was better than mine this week. I am ending up with 3 hard days in a row which is just bad and I know it. But we both peaked out mileage 3 weeks out from the marathon which I think is good. Next week I don't consider part of the taper, but it will be fewer miles than this week.

From bedoukian on Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 18:28:48

i'll do 2 workouts next week, maybe one will only be 100m striders on the track. and then i'll only run 5 or so easy on friday. maybe take the day off even.

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ran to my brother's soccer game in town. was planning on taking a connector trail there but it was not a trail it was white paint on trees. i turned around after 1/10 of a mile. 8 years ago it was a trail. the game was really boring and i wished i wasn't standing out in the sun but i did at least stretch a bit which i wouldn't have otherwise. legs felt decent after the first couple miles. 9 miles on the road and 5x600 tomorrow at 5k race pace with 90 sec rest...i'm going to pretend i've been following the pfitzinger advanced marathoning plan all along.  

 

 


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purposely got to work by 7:30 so i could officially leave at 4:30 but didn't end up
leaving till 5:30. Would have liked to have done a few more miles but all is well. My big legs felt a little unsure of themselves despite their massive size but I was psyched for the workout since i know there aren't too many more of them. My gps watch did not work until the last mile of my run so was no help. I knew that I should be running the 6x600 around 2:05 and figured that i'd run about 2:10-2:15 so on my first one on the road i started at a mailbox and ended at a mailbox that put my time where it should be.  2:14 for the first one. did 90 sec rest. 2:11, 2:09, 2:11, 2:13, 2:16. May have missed the order of the 2nd and 3rd but those were the times. Right quad was tightening up during the cool down. It takes me about 3 vo2 max workouts to feel decent doing them. They actually start feeling good. I'm all about staying off the track now. I actually like having lots of cars pass me, it is kind of inspiring to not look pathetic. The only downside is i can't hear my music as well due to the noise. finished just as it was getting dark. did a decent stretch and managed to pump out an insane 25 pushups and situps.

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Ran 1hr33 min, legs felt tight but running on the road is so much easier than the trails. Holding 7:30 when it's flat feels comfortable whereas 9 min on trails s pushing it. Holding a 6:52 for 26 miles to go under 3hrs seems kind of daunting. 6:40 is 2:55, which seems impossible. I'll have an idea how it will feel after the 1/2 this weekend. I'm kind of nervous I won't be able to run a 1:23. I would LOVE to just break 1:23, but it depends how fast this course is and if the weather is cool. Apparently only a net rise of 100ft the whole race, despite it being in a hilly area.  Should be beautiful, i hope the leaves are starting to change up there! Legs were definitely tight today. Tomorrow I may actually go to the track on the way home from work if there isn't a sporting event on it to do 100's. I'm just going to run 6-7 easy. And no turns around the track for sure. Blister/cut still not close to being healed although today the pain was only a 2 on a scale of 0 to 10. Ball of the foot pain is almost non-existent. Still going to stay off the trails until after the marathon i think and a week off. That's the plan anyway.

 I did measure my 600 workout from yesterday and found that the intervals were actually 630m +/- 5m.

 Saw a fox for the 2nd day in a row. They're everywhere i guess.

 

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Went to the h.s. track and there was a cross country meet going on. Even the leaders didn't look very fast. I'm curious how fast they ran. I mostly ran around the soccer fields there and the cross country course before and after the meet. did 8x100 sprints on the soccer field. Not really striders, but full sprints about 95%. Felt pretty weak today probably from the long run and the intensity of my runs increasing. Will maybe take tomorrow off unless I want to wake up early and run 5 in the dark. 

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Race: Hogsback Half Marathon (13.1 Miles) 01:24:38, Place overall: 5
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This race was supposed to be very fast according to the website. I originally thought to my surprise that there was only a net 100ft of elevation gain total but it was instead a net 100ft loss which really doesn't mean anything on a rolling hilly course. The hills weren't substantial, there were no big climbs but the course never did seem flat. I was really hoping for a 1:23 since i thought i was in better shape than in '05 when i didn't even have racing flats. I did however come from training in CO to sea level with lots of long tempo runs and the extra oxygen probably helped me a lot. 

Haynes was there and i really didn't want to lose to him by more than a minute. His track workouts he has been posted have seemed very strong and i thought he might run a ridiculous time. Haynes already posted a good race report so i'll just say that i felt tight holding 6:15 pace for the first several miles. Not sure why my hamstrings were tight...after about mile 8 i started to not be too happy....i held on till mile 10, it was funny to pass the parking lot of a state park where i had a trail race earlier in the year...that was unexpected. Came through 10 miles in 1:03:55 with Haynes holding an even pace till then.  i needed to pull through in 20:04 for my goal time but only mustered a miserable 20:43 for the final 5k. The last mile had a miserable hill. It was odd how there was no pain anymore after mile 10, i simply was shut down. Haynes maintained his pace very well and beat me by about a minute.

 The one depressing thing was that i found a 40yr old woman ran about 5 sec faster than me last year and went on 2 weeks later only to run a 3:02 marathon. i'm hoping the marathon course i'm doing is faster. I also hope that my body is more suited for maintaining paces not close to my threshold pace of 6:10. I'm wondering whether it's best to go out in 6:45 and try to hold on or closer to 6:50....

 

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From rockness18 on Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 17:48:15

Hey, nice run. I was there and also found it to be more difficult than advertised. You guys were visible for me until about mile 6...except you all looked much more under control. Haynes mentioned the observation of running with the river for the first half (slight downhill) vs. up the river on the second half. That last hill was a bear! Good luck in Falmouth.

From haynes on Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 17:48:55

I watched the berlin marathon online and they talked a lot about how all of the world record marathons have been in slightly negative splits and it seems to be the best strategy.

Don't worry about that woman. Mcmillan is much more conservative than daniels and he puts you at 2:58:30. My prediction is right around 2:59. I am still your coach right? I didn't think 1:23 was in the cards for you. But I do think that sub 3 is (but not by much). Focus on your taper. Don't drop the workouts, but scale them back a little bit. Last workout should be on tuesday of next week probably. Do some striders at the end of some of your runs. Stretch. Don't overeat until the day before (I think a carbo lunch and normal dinner is best, but carbo dinner is fine too). Do these things and I think you should be fine. Of course I'll be there to coach you through the race as well, lol.

From bedoukian on Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 21:30:48

you'll always be my coach! Haynes forever!

I'm going to mostly follow the pfitzinger book for the last 2 weeks. He suggests for the 70mpw plan of doing 46 miles this week and then 30 in the 6 days before the marathon. He has one Vo2 max workout next week which i'll do 3x1 mile at 5k pace, 2 min rest. And also LOTS of striders. i'm going to cut down on the food intake for sure!

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ran with my brother. i wanted to go up this mountain about a 5 min drive to my house. There is a bench at the top which is pretty cool. It took us 1.8 miles from the car and 26:30 to reach the bench. Will be a good route for time trialing to gauge fitness. The only real mountain climb around. Although the 450ft net elevation gain isn't very impressive. It does gain about 650ft total though. Unfortunately the two of us couldn't stay on the lofty 850ft summit because it has been raining for several days and the mosquitos were out in full force. I was happy my foot didn't act up at all and my legs felt pretty good. Total running time 56 min for 4 miles! Would be such a sick and technical trail race back there. It's kind of creepy how well maintained all the trails are but i never see anyone around. As i pulled in to the turnaround and the half abandoned business park there was a cop parked there i was worried that maybe we're not supposed to park there...it was odd that he drove away immediately as we were getting out of the car as if i was the cop and he was the one up to no good. 

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easy run with my brother...towards the end there was a long downhill and my brother was pushing it so i picked up the pace. 

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did a workout from pfitzinger....was supposed to be done on a thursday but my schedule is a little bit off. during the warmup 9 min miles didn't feel so great and i wondered if i should take another day off before doing 3x1 mile at 5k race pace. but i hate not finishing what i planned for the day and i decided to go for it and just take the times i got. i glommed on a ton of vaseline and body glide on my feet to try and prevent the 2 week blister again and it worked. Did 6 striders before i started and felt miserable. Mile 1 (really only 1600)...first lap i went out in an 80 and was already winded...i apparently had a fear of being weak and slow...the 80 did not feel easy. settled down and ran a 90sec 2nd lap and finished the first mile in 5:42. 5k race pace back in may would be 5:43 so surprisingly good. 2 min recovery and then i ran a 5:45....2 min recovery, 5:47. Started to slow each lap slightly but know i could have held if i had someone there with me. Wasn't terribly hard. Probably the last vo2 before the marathon. will do lots of striders and a couple marathon pace miles. 

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From haynes on Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:54:41

last one? It probably doesn't matter but I'm doing 2 (one tomorrow and one on sunday) and 2 threshold workouts (one on friday and one next tuesday). I am gonna turn down the intensity of the workouts a little bit too just because I have probably been going too hard up until now. My vo2max stuff im gonna slow down to 5:36 pace and my threshold stuff I am gonna slow down to 6 pace. Other than that I am gonna keep it easy 45-50 miles this week and 30-35 next week.

From bedoukian on Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 22:29:29

i know you can't help yourself...i'm going to really focus on stretching i think...maybe i'll do another one on thursday...like pfitzinger calls for the workout i did on thurs instead of tues which was supposed to be more recovery. then on tues next week just 2 miles at marathon pace in a 7-10 mile workout, i can't remember.

From haynes on Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 15:19:35

BTW, it looks like you are getting some of your speed back. Good. People always say that you don't need speed for the marathon, but I think that the further your marathon pace is from your shorter distnce race paces the more likely you will be able to maintain it.

Ive been looking at the forcast already (still not 10 days out) but its looking pretty good with highs in the low to mid 60's and lows in the mid 40's. It has been going back and forth on rain or no rain but currently it looks dry. I have been pretty unlucky this season for race weather so far but this is where it matters so hopefully it will come together.

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58 min trail run...the trails were hard to see properly with lots of leaves on the ground. i have missed the feeling i get trail running compared to the road...there are different thoughts and it's easier to lose yourself. i'm glad my foot doesn't hurt anymore, but i feel it can come back if i run on too many trails. i'm thinking another 3x1 mile tomorrow. i want to get on pfitzinger schedule. i really don't see how an extra vo2 max workout can hurt over a week out. 

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From haynes on Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 22:16:42

BTW. The girl in the running club that I asked out and was taken, I met her BF at the workout today. Apparently he went 14:55 in college and now is semi out of shape and trying to "just break 16". I guess I just have to be faster... lol.

From bedoukian on Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 23:06:45

good luck! i bet in 5 years if you continue to have nothing else in your life besides running you can crack the 16 min barrier. the two will unfortunately probably be married by then though...

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Was going to do a threshold workout but thought better of it after realizing that i was in no mood and probably condition to crank out low 6's today. First mile was 6:42 downhill, 6:46 downhill, 7:03 horrible uphill, 6:51 horrible uphill ran 3:40 for the first .5. finished off with a good stretch but sadly have seen no improvements in flexibility.

now just going to exactly follow the last 1+ weeks of advanced marathoning.
 

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beautiful day today, the weather was crisp and cold and i had a runny nose which i actually liked while i was running today, who knows why...i'm really into this new place only 4 miles from my house. there was a go cart thing that i had to drive through though which was annoying. i was so surprised that i saw no one today. I averaged around 12 min/mile but the terrain is great. i feel like i'm far away from where i live in a more rugged and empty place. i explored more of the trails today and actually am pretty sure i found out how to connect to the next park so i can lengthen my runs. i also ran by an old dammed up pond. who knows who dammed is and why it is in the middle of nowhere. also saw a HUGE deer with very large antlers which is something i haven't seen before. i was really hungry by the end of the run and did not enjoy doing 10x100 striders on the pavement next to the go carts. 

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From haynes on Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 19:02:37

I emailed the running club and brown outing club about my trail run today and had 4 people come with me. BUT it was ridiculous. Only one of them wanted to do the full distance. One of them really wanted to run alone (why did I email the listserv? out of the goodness of my heart? no, because I wanted company duh). The other 2 got on those really tame red trails at gilbert hills and were like, there are way too many rocks and roots, we are gonna run on the road WTF. Looks like you had a better time alone than I did with people. There is a womens 5k down by the stadium tomorrow. 2 of the girls from the running club are running it, so I think im gonna go and watch and hopefully meet some hot runner chicks, lol. I am pathetic. Gonna do some miles at marathon pace tomorrow, probably as repeats cause I am lazy and its not really about any aerobic benefit, just feeling the pace. When are we planning on going out to albany? Do we need to get there to pick up race packets by a certain time on saturday? I am pretty excited.

From bedoukian on Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 19:56:41

did you end up running alone or did you take the road? sounds really lame. be careful what you wish for i guess. sounds like you have a reasonably sized club...i'll always cherish the good old days when we were the Brown running club.

From haynes on Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 17:11:22

Its bigger than last year but not big. Friday we had 3 people come out for the workout and the weather was great. So far I haven't done a workout or run that I have posted to the list alone, so thats good.

From haynes on Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 17:25:59

One guy ran with me on the trails, but he didn't speak very good english so the conversation was pretty dull, lol.

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ran to some trails and did 6 miles on the trails. 1.5 miles on dirt roads. my ipod decided to stop working which is lame. i've had two of them so far and the keypad always stops working. i feel comfortable with the ipod but am kind of not happy with their lack of durability. 1hr 59 min. 

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From haynes on Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 00:08:47

Are you gonna take saturday off or friday off? I am inclined to take saturday off and just do some stretching but I think it really comes down to preference.

From bedoukian on Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:08:42

pfitzinger says:

friday recovery + speed 5 miles 6x100 striders

sat recovery 4 miles easy

says to take today off which i am.

i may or may not run sat. will def run friday.

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5 miles am, actually wore gloves and a long sleeve shirt cause it was in the 30's.
i kind of had one of my old vision issues after about 20 min right when  another runner turned onto the road i was running on. of course i had to pass him. he looked reasonably athletic and rugged but the way he landed on his feet was not right. i'm glad i was able to pass him despite my vision problems. it was easy but not as easy as i wanted it to be.  

 5 mile pm, did a trail run with my brother across the street. the trails aren't as in good shape as they used to be when i was in h.s. due to the acreage being destroyed by huge fancy houses but it's really interesting terrain for a short run. it was getting dark and the trail that used to be a trail was blocked off by rocks and completely overgrown, almost impenetrable. we were near houses and could see the road 1/4 mile away but as we got close there sounded like a large dog was onto us and i decided to go back. we still short cutted and that entailed crossing a swampy area with a stream going through it. the stream was about 8 inches too wide for me to clear and i literally had my shoe eaten. it was removed from my foot and COMPLETELY submerged aside from a tiny speck of shoelace. it took 2 hands and about 10 sec of strong effort to remove it. good day. got out before dark and in time to pick up brother from soccer practice. hopefully 2 miles at marathon pace won't seem like such a burden tomorrow. not sure where i'm going to run them yet as the hills here are very annoying and draining. perhaps the track?
 

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From Nevels on Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 15:54:21

Any run where you lose articles of clothing to the trail is a good run!

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warmed up with 3.4 miles and then did 2 miles at marathon pace. 6:37 for the first mile and then 6:36 for the second. both miles had a slight net downhill so probably about right ~6:45-6:51 effort if it were flat. cooled down 1.8 miles. Just two more 5 mile days before the marathon. I wonder if it matters at all running a few miles the day before vs. taking the day completely off. psychologically i like the day off and just feel more confident that i am completely rested. not sure if this is logical or not though. the book suggests running 4 miles easy.

 i also found out that i got into the mt mitchell challenge in NC which i'm excited about. 40 miles up mt mitchell and back down in february. sounds like a blast! 

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From haynes on Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 22:54:58

so is that 40 miles total or 80 miles total?

I am running 5, 5, and taking saturday off. Frank shorter once said something like "every step you take on the day of a marathon not towards the finish line is wasted". He was referring to the warm up, but I think it is fair to extend that to the 24hrs before the marathon.

From haynes on Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 23:08:11

If you wanna do a long weekend at some point this winter and either run, snowshoe, or cross country ski somewhere I would be up for that. Maybe the adirondacks?

From bedoukian on Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 22:19:28

just 40 miles total for the race. it's mostly on trails which is good. sometimes you need spikes for your shoes because of ice. i'm planning on going hiking in VT or maybe the adirondacks, don't really care the weekend after the marathon if interested. i was leaning toward doing camel's hump and mt mansfield in VT.

a snowshoe in the adirondacks sounds awesome. maybe mt marcy. see you in a couple days. did you decide when you're going to get to albany on sat? i don't know yet for me, probably early afternoon, maybe i'll leave here after lunch time.

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ran 8:15 pace and felt pretty good. will try to run 5 in the am tomorrow and then probably just walk around a little on sat. unfortunately the weather is not going to be as cool on sunday as it should be. about 10 degrees warmer than the avg temp. 

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From haynes on Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 22:24:04

I am really annoyed with the weather. I haven't had a cool race yet this season despite it being quite cold on average.

From Haynes on Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 22:32:35

Ill try to get to albany (schenectady really) early afternoon as well. I'll leave by noon and by there by 3pm. I don't have anything to do except freak out about this race. We won't be able to drive it because it is a bike path course. I would say we should bike it slowly but even slowly 26 miles biking 1 day before probably isn't a good idea.

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5 miles before work with 6x100 striders. no more running till the marathon on sunday. weather is starting to look slightly cooler. 

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From josse on Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 23:08:39

Where is the race report?

Race: Mohawk Hudson River Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:57:53, Place overall: 14, Place in age division: 2
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Drove up to the race the day before, arrived in Albany, NY at approx 4:15pm and picked up stuff at race expo. Walked around town looking for food but really didn't find anything so we decided to go to the next town over where we were staying at. Settled on ihop and then splitting a large cheese pizza after. Pretty great carbo load.

Race day: I was worried I might not be able to break 3, but felt confident that I had the ability to. The weather temp at the start was ~45F but quickly warmed up to ~65C by race end. Went without a shirt which was good but resulted in horrible chaffing under the arms which i knew might happen but after 7 miles of sweat the vaseline and body glide alternative (this other running lube stuff) completely was gone. I guess body glide is better! Still hurts two days later. I also got the onset of a blister around mile 8 on my little toe but it didn't get any worse which was fortunate. I took in liquid at every aid station as much as i could. I sometimes grabbed two drinks cause the cups are worthless until liquid only fills a third of them. They rest just splashes out. I carried 3 bags of shot blocks and 2 gu's in my hand which was a little annoying but the pocket is not an option. I lost one gu early but still had a total of 700 calories plus i took almost all gatorade at the aid stations. I also had to stop to poop just after the half marathon point but it was worth the 20 sec or so i lost.

Listed below are approx splits: Haynes and i decided to not warm up but start off slow.

6:48
6:52 (was surprised how slow this mile was and was a little concerned)
6:33 (unexpected but some downhills) left ankle was bothering me as it often does. it was the inner part, but the outer one is also known to hurt-a little concerned!
6:34
6:41(loosened up, ankle pain gone)
6:56 (ran with a group of people who were trying to hit sub 3) they were not concerned with going out in 1:30...because of the downhill at the end. I freaked out a bit when i saw this and told Haynes I was going to speed up a bit cause the pace was far too easy and weak)
6:48 (good pace again on the flats)
6:49
6:46
6:51
6:44
6:50 (starting to think about pooping)
6:54
half in 1:28:47
7:02 (includes poop stop in the bushes, pretty gross)
6:34 (course starts to have a nice sloping downhill for the next 4 miles)
6:53
6:35
6:36
6:51(off the bike path i think and on the roads)
6:43 (at this point i new i was going to break 3)
6:49 (felt like haynes wanted to push it)
6:54 (the hardest mile for me mentally, warming up and legs starting to feel every tiny uphill) luckily that was only inclines of 5 or so feet!
6:48
6:54 (felt like haynes was starting to hurt more than me which made me feel stronger)
6:52
6:48
1:30 last 0.2 miles

total 2:57:53 (including a photo finish victory over haynes cause he didn't have the vision not to hit a half marathoner who was finishing).

overall a really awesome experience! No complaints about the weather, the volunteers at the aid stations were great. I was really fortunate to be able to run with Haynes the whole time and feed off of his pace. Made it actually kind of fun. I also enjoyed that there were under 600 people. Finished with no aches or pains.

Not planning on doing a road marathon anytime soon. Not until i think i can go under 2:50. Don't think that will be next year...maybe more realistic is going under 1:20 in a half marathon, although also doesn't seem realistic right now, but it won't hurt the body to try unlike the marathon. I was luckily able to achieve all 4 of my running goals for the year. The sub 5 min mile, the sub 18min 5k, the sub 30min 5 mile, and the sub 3hr marathon. Not bad. I owe my improvement to Haynes and his teaching me about how to train properly. i almost forgot to mention that my goal of overtaking haynes and beating him in the marathon also came true despite having the same time...

I asked one of my old running friends the question: if we didn't ever age and could continue running and building up miles indefinitely...could someone without as much talent like a 2:55 marathoner ever run a 2:10 marathon with a 100 years of training in peak physical condition without aging? Or is there an absolute threshold that each person can't cross no matter what? I think there must be a limit but we don't live long enough i guess to reach it.





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From haynes on Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 22:11:01

There is a limit for every person. In my opinion it is really only determined by all out speed. That is why right now ridiculous milers and 5kers are moving up to run 2:06 marathons. I have heard the number of 7 years thrown around as the time it takes for a runner to peak (or at least get very close to their peak). So although you are a bit late for the mile, you can still peak for the half and the marathon in your prime for those distances.

From josse on Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:54:26

Great job on getting all you goals this year! And breaking 3 in the marathon. I am a bit jealous, I will have to wait til next year to try for that one again. I like how you two where able pull and push each other through the race, you guys should have crossed hand in hand (that would have been sweet);)

From bedoukian on Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:06:02

thanks josse! I know you can definitely break 3hrs next year. You just need to do the race we did. You'll be coming from altitude to a sea level race which is one of the fastest "official" races in the country.

I suggested we cross holding hands but Haynes was too cool for that. Oh well, it turned out to be his loss :)

Haynes did not accomplish his real goal of beating bedoukian in the marathon...the only thing that remained elusive for him....

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easy trail run. probably the nicest evening of the year! 

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trail run...the only thing that happened was a black leaf fell down on me and i thought it was a bat and almost pulled every muscle in my body trying to avoid it. i couldn't figure out why it just kept falling...i had just passed a group of people and i hope they didn't hear me or see what happened. 

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this morning was COLD! not that cold really if i were running but i had

no idea how to dress since i haven't been on a bike in a while. even

with mittens my hands were freezing. i need to figure out how to add

cross training miles to the blog, if anyone knows how i'd love to know.

went 29 miles with a road bike group. there were a bunch of dirt roads

we road on for some reason that were pretty though and i'd like to be

able to find them again so i can run there. did a total of 37 miles.

very hilly, i definitely need to buy bike shorts cause i was not very

comfortable in my super old ones. kind of fun though and i was glad

that i could keep up although i didn't feel too sure of myself with my

almost non-existent brakes.

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3.6 miles easy with my dad and then about an hour later i explored a new trail system with my brother which was kind of ok for 5.1 miles. Did kind of a hike run. I wasn't really feeling too well today. I think i'm getting sick. Probably won't go back there. Definitely hilly but it just felt like it was a sketchy place across the street from a shooting range.

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1hr trail run. felt really good. hated how dark it was with the rain and also it's just dark now. i think i will do a half marathon trail race this weekend. should be very well rested for it! 

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5 or so mile trail run. forgot my gps.

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1hr 4 min trail run. my left foot is feeling tight again. sometimes in the left ankle, sometimes the right, sometimes just the bottom of my foot. it loosens up after 15 min or so and doesn't bother me at all only to tighten up again and be annoying to walk around after about an hour. ice doesn't help that much but advil helps but it seems like i need to advil all the time. i must be doing something wrong to have this problem that's been chronic for 2 years. it doesn't get worse really but it never goes away or it will go away for a few days and then come back. i have come to accept that being a runner is simply painful.

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4 mile trail run. then walked dog for 1.1 miles as i have almost every day since the marathon. i really enjoy walking, especially in the dark. it is quite relaxing.

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From haynes on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:38:12

Do you know what happened to sharkey in his marathon? I looked up the results today but couldn't find his name anywhere. I can hardly imagine him DNFing unless he got injured or something. He has crawled in from much longer trail races in his day.

From bedoukian on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:48:20

yeah he got some sort of 24hr bug he said and was too sick to run. he was kind of disappointed. I also found a great picture of us finishing the marathon. it so looks like you're trying to put the lunge in there!

http://www.backprint.com/view_user_event.asp?PID=bp%18%7CD&EVENTID=39183&PWD=&LAST=Bedoukian&DIVISION=&BIB=30

From bedoukian on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:49:20

oops the link is too long to put in in the format. you can find the pictures of us on the website.

From haynes on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:24:50

A 24hr bug!? A likely story... but a bit too convenient in my opinion. J/k I totally had a GI bug earlier this year and I missed 2 days of running. Fortunately I also lost 5 lb which I managed to keep off so all in all it probably helped me. My room mate lost 40-50lb over the summer without trying and so the doctors think he either has a parasite or diabetes (because his fasting blood glucose is slightly elevated-to the level of pre-diabetes). Of course it makes me think I should start doing trail runs without bringing water and just drink from the creeks lol. Giardia sounds like the best parasite to have during base training. Some diarrhea, a little anemia. I get runners trots all the time anyway and the anemia is pretty much like blood doping when you get the problem fixed because your body is used to running with less blood. Of course im not actually gonna do that, but thats how desperate I am to lose weight.

From haynes on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:31:47

Henry is not a problem in the 5k, but he might be in the mile--he ran an 18:24 last weekend. He has just a tiny bit more all out speed than I do. But he has been running only 30-40 miles per week and that even inconsistently. But I have got him up to 50mpw right now and fairly consistent. I keep sending him once a runner quotes that he goes nuts over, its awesome. If he keeps it up he will make huge improvements in the spring.

From bedoukian on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 18:34:18

training in the winter is going to be difficult and take much discipline. it's dark before and after work so the headlamp will have to come out and it's so cold when the sun isn't out. maybe i'll have to run during lunch and just run faster to get more miles in during a shorter time. not looking forward to it. i need to finish top 5 at mt mitchell though to be happy. i need to do 70 per week to do that i think. what's your training plan look like for the winter?

good luck tomorrow!

From haynes on Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 18:45:16

Around 70mpw but with doubles and not many runs being very long. I'll do a 12-16miler on the weekend, then 4 or 5 in the mornings and 5 or 6 in the evenings most days. Although I know I shouldn't I will probably keep doing workouts twice/week and do some indoor track meets. I figure that when I need a rest I will get sick of running and do it naturally. Taking time off is too hard for me lol. If I feel like im doing too much I won't double. Winter is the best time of the year for training for me. I don't mind running in the dark (although trails are out in the dark without a headlamp). I will probably have people to run with for more than half of my runs so that will make it even easier. You will do fine. You don't necessarily need 70mpw. Think about how much you want to run each week and try to work your schedule to make that happen. With the doubles I could easily hit 80+ miles if I felt like it. But we will see, this week I was perfectly content just running once per day on non workout days.

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4 mile hike with dad. beautiful day cloudy but no rain. great view at the top. excited to race tomorrow.

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Race: Hairy Gorilla half marathon (13.1 Miles) 01:31:15, Place overall: 8
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I've been running really light mileage the past couple weeks and was itching to have something to do this weekend. I LOVE the whole process of trail racing, except the going to bed early and having to poop 4-6 times before the race even begins, but in the fall it is much easier to bury :)

enough about that...i drove up about 2hrs 20 min to just west of albany, up this mountain to a state park. when i got to the race it was an exciting atmosphere, there was a halloween theme with halloween sounds being blasted in the parking lot and their were people in gorilla costumes and a sketchy guy with a chainsaw walking around. it was good to see some old faces at the races. There were SO many people out today. The race started off and we ran through a fake graveyard past the guy lunging at us with a chainsaw. I started out in 20th place or so and sprinted ahead to 4th place before a muddy single track and quickly realized
i was definitely beyond threshold pace. After 2 miles i was passed by a guy i had beaten earlier in the year and he would go on to beat me by 3 minutes today. What was irksome was not being passed by robin hood at mile 5 but by being passed at about mile 8 by this guy who i didn't even know what his costume was. It wasn't like the people who passed me went by me in a flash it was this long and slow inevitable pulling away. I settled into a rhythm and felt dizzy for a bit and my stomach was not bad but i regretted eating a full lb or possibly more of imitation crab meat the night before. i wonder why i do such foolish things. so the passing was done by mile 8 and i just hoped no one else would catch me and i started to feel a bit better. i had a good scare by the 3rd of the 4th gorilla that jumped out at me. it was quite annoying, especially the chainsaw guy. the course got 3 inches of rain the night before so the course was quite muddy and had pools of water but not annoyingly so. very fast course with few hills and my biggest goal was to finish in sub 7 pace which i just did in 6:58. Overall not a bad race, but not great. I helped my best of 6 race point total today which was my main goal, and will need to race next weekend to get over 1000 points for the whole series. we'll see. such a beautiful day though.

i did have a bit of a scare on the way back. i was kind of zoning out listening to a book on tape on the highway when a large stag came out of the corner of my eye, inches from the road about 20 feet in front of the car. I didn't get an adrenaline rush because the threat was gone before i could register it, but if the deer didn't pull up at the last second it would have been BAD news.

something else sketchy happened when i went on a "run" with my dad when i got back. it was close to getting dark on the way down the mtn and he noticed what looked like a large animal organ. i thought/hoped it was just some hugebut it was clearly notand it was fresh. we had not noticed it before about an hour earlier and there were no cars around at the parking lot nor was there any blood or bones around. there was a partial hide of a skunk but the organ was larger than the entire skunk. we were close to the car at that point then heard a substantial rustle in the leaves and that made things worse. who knows, i guess it's just an unsolved mystery. will think twice about running there towards dark alone.

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From Arie Beresteanu on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 17:33:34

I'm not sure I'd like a scary race myself. Maybe I could really improve my HM time if a guy with a chainsaw would chase me all the way...

From haynes on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 20:08:43

Great race. That is super fast for a trail. I am feeling slightly better about my race having seen a few other peoples times whose fitness I know pretty well. I am still undecided about my training and the downhill mile race next weekend. I need to talk it over with jamie (a 14:50 5ker) during the morning run tomorrow. I've been feeling great so it could just be a fluke or a bad course. It was cross country which makes some difference.

From bedoukian on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 20:34:01

that's a pr for you for an x country course so don't be down about it. i definitely feel like you shouldn't push your training right now. you should have just taken a full week of almost nothing like all the running books and other runners will tell you. the body needs it even if the mind doesn't. i still would take an easy week though. but i don't have the credentials of a 14:50 5k runner so what do i know :)

From haynes on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 20:45:25

I wonder if you would have beaten me (given that you always beat me on trails). Maybe I am just a pretty-boy miler? Maybe I am just much better at road and track for some reason.

From haynes on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 20:57:27

BTW, I think that it is time for you to change the title of your blog. Or is your goal still to overtake me even though you succeeded in the marathon?

From bedoukian on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 21:51:25

but i didn't really overtake you, because we just ran together the whole time. to me, overtaking you would be to give you a lead and then overtake you by coming from behind. i don't think my skills are quite there yet that i can fall back and then power my big legs to victory. i guess this is just my interpretation and i'm perfectly willing to change my blog title to continuing to overtake Haynes if you deem it to be a more accurate blog title.

From bedoukian on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 21:54:02

i think it would have been close. it was not technical at all. it was extremely muddy though which would have slowed down your speed considerably. i think i just psych you out on the trails and because of that i would have beaten you today. i mean until you prove otherwise i have no reason to assume that you would ever beat me in a trail race. i mean my career highlights don't lie...back to back wins of over 8 minutes :)

From haynes on Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 21:58:20

I was actually talking about the xc race. I also have no doubt you would just totally psych me out on any race with the word trail in the title.

From bedoukian on Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 18:03:18

i think you would have won in the xc race. i don't feel like i can run sub 18 right now not on the road.

From The Howling Commando on Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:28:44

My XC team from college volunteers at this race the Hairy Gorilla/Squirrely Six Miler and also at the MHRMarathon. I love both races. I hope to maybe see you there next year. I was unable to run both this year because of an injury. You had a real great showing at both!! Wish I had your ability.

From bedoukian on Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:52:26

I'm definitely planning on doing the hairy gorilla race again. it was like no other race. i'm sure it will be even bigger next year as long as the weather is good. hope you recover soon from your injury!

From bedoukian on Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:54:17

you should try other trail races in the wmac series. go to www.runwmac.com

there are lots of great events close by. i try to do as many as i can.

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trail run. 

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trail run

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road run

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Hiked/ran in the catskills. More of a hike than a run due to the steepness and the surprising snow and ice that was there. Was out for 5hrs 10 min. Began at 1300ft and got up to the snow line around 2000ft. At 3.6 miles reached the first peak at 3800ft. Lots of slippery ice. Descended and then climbed to a second peak which i wasn't aware was on a side trail off of the main trail. I came to this point of no return section. There was a scrambling section with a V crack and it was definitely icy. I got up ok but i didn't feel like going down was an option. The out and back i was contemplating turned into a loop. I was then on to my final ascent of the highest peak in the catskills at 4180ft. I passed a group of snowshoers! I didn't really understand why the snowshoes since i was in trail runners but anyway there were 8 or so in number and the leader didn't really say hi he looked at me and just said "do you have a fixed line?" i said what? and he repeated himself until he stooped to my language and said if i had a rope. i said no and he said that there was a bad icy section up ahead. I told him that the way i came was also pretty horrible. he said that he would be fine because of their "fixed line". he really annoyed me-like he was some bigshot group leader telling me i wasn't prepared for what i was doing. Anyways, i get to the icy section and it really wasn't any problem, definitely easier than the other stuff i did. Going up the final summit was pretty fun, up to about a ft of snow but the trail was packed down pretty well. I got up to the peak and met some nice people. Headed down to the parking lot to complete the transect of allegedly the hardest dayhike in the catskills in 8.9 miles according to gps or 9.7 according to the sign at 2500ft. 3hrs and 37 min. I then had to take a road for a mile which was uphill. it was nice knowing there were a couple people ahead of me seeing their tracks. I had passed a couple groups of people who were doing the loop i was. I liked passing them. I caught up to the people in front of me (Germans) at about 11 miles. The trail was annoying due to all the blowdowns and non packed 6 inches of snow that was a little crusty. It felt good getting to the main trail again until i saw bear poop. lots of berries in it. I then passed some other foreigners who said they heard the bear but didn't see it. I found it interesting that there were as many foreigners as americans here. i didn't realize the catskills were a spectacular getaway for people. The trail was hard to find in spots but i made it back after hitting my head on a log i didn't see, and also dropping my camera about 10 feet and also having a scare that i lost my iphone which didn't get any reception anyway. an awesome day. very refreshing. i'm going to count mtn hikes as easy miles even though i probably shouldn't. It's good training for mt mitchell this winter anyway. 

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on the road. bottom of left foot is miserable for first 3 miles then doesn't hurt at all. i'm sure the pain will move to my inner or outer ankle soon. 

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road run 3.8 miles on dirt roads

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road run, 2.2 on dirt roads

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road run

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road run 1hr 11 min, 3.8 miles on dirt. 

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11 mile trail run at a new place for me. there's a 4300 acre park with LOTS of trails but it costs $8 to enter. luckily i got there before the person taking money got there. kind of lame how much it is. ridiculous actually! ran for 1hr 49 min. later i hiked for another 5 miles cause it was such a nice day. total exercise time 4hrs. i didn't eat much until dinner and then i was a fat pig, eating a medium pizza by myself among other things. glad i feel ready to start building mileage again and getting in some consistency. the plan is to build up to 80, because Haynes is doing it and i want to be just like haynes! the plan is 65-70 this week and then just hold around 70 for a month and then go from there. 40 mile race is feb 28th so i have time. hopefully i'll start doing some speed stuff but for now i don't feel like it, i just want to run how i feel like running.

 

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From haynes on Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 21:46:38

Lol, I didn't really plan it but pretty much all of a sudden I had 74 for the week and had been doubling so I just figured I would be a mileage whore and top it off to 80. Too bad you have a job, this doubling is pretty great. The morning runs are sluggish (though after a few weeks you start getting used to it) but they make the afternoon runs just feel great. And hitting 80 felt really easy. My previous week was 60 so we will see how I feel after a few more 70-80 weeks but so far so good. We are just now trying to differentiate our morning and evening runs in terms of distance and route. I think that will be good. If you have a 4 mile route in mind please tell me. We are gonna do 6-7 in the afternoons and blackstone + old graveyard with hope st. back makes 6.75. It is still in the works, but I feel confident that we will work it out by spring time. Didn't you say you were gonna be in prov some weekend this winter? If so when? I don't know if you can really handle one of my calendar days now, but if you work up to it you might get through it.

From bedoukian on Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:36:37

that's great that you're doing well with 80 miles! i was actually in providence on sat in the evening for a friend's birthday party. wish i had more time up there to say hi but didn't. the morning runs are killing me. i always want to wake up 15 minutes earlier to get in 10, but the darkness and the lack of sleep are just too much. i'll get there though. it's 9:30, past my bedtime!

what do you mean by i can't handle one of your calendar days now?

are you planning on hitting 100 mpw this year? it seems like you're on course....

you know me, i would always run on dirt whenever possible and would always do blackstone or the dog park trails.running by the river is kind of nice too.

From haynes on Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:45:57

I was joking about you not being able to handle one of my calendar days. No I am not planning on hitting 100 this year. I doubt I will even have many 80's. This week will be more 70-75 and then I will reevaluate how I feel. I am looking to some indoor meets in february and then some outdoor meets in may. I might even get adventurous and run some other track distances like the 800 or a track 5000m if I can find one not so intense that I would look like a fool.

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1hr 10 min road run. This will be my standard morning loop before work. 

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running at 6am is starting to take it's toll on me. i feel like a zombie. i never seem to go to bed early enough. i did run the route 1 min faster in 1:09 than yesterday though so i guess i can start my runs a minute later. awesome! i kind of feel like i should be running more like 10 each morning but i guess there's no point rushing into it after about a month of only 35-40 mpw. it's only going to keep getting darker for another month as well. and also colder...

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From haynes on Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:31:38

Just a thought, maybe not now, but when you want more than 8.3 on most days could you run during lunch or something? I've done morning/lunch double or lunch/evening doubles a few times before and it was just enough time to recover before the second run of the day. I am giving the malmo philosophy a really solid test. He is a big proponent of doubles and high mileage. We will see how I run in the spring. Also be sure to check out my new PR I set today, lol.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.700.000.000.006.70

weak as hell showing this morning. tried to wake up earlier and run 10, but that backfired badly and i started my run at 6:29, which didn't leave much time to shower and drive the 15 minutes to work. it has become obvious as the winter gets colder that i'm going to have to do some running during my hour lunch break or simply run 20+ miles on sat AND sunday, which probably would serve me well for the 40 mile trail race. past bedtime again!!!! i hate going to sleep knowing how hard it will be to get myself out the door. i'm going to a conference in Reno on sat and staying there for 4 or 5 days so hopefully running will be easier.
 

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8.800.000.000.008.80

5.5 miles on dirt road. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.700.000.000.006.70

3.3 on dirt

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10.400.000.000.0010.40

set the treadmill to 7:30 pace at the hotel in Reno. My longest run by far on a treadmill ever but was compulsive to get in at least 60 this week. didn't realize the altitude was 4500ft here. didn't feel it. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.200.000.000.005.20

ran before lunch. was planning on getting in at least another 3-5 later on the treadmill but got sick from something and had bad stomach problems and went to bed at 6:30 and woke up the next morning at 7. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.300.000.000.006.30

More treadmill running. throat is sore and had to take a bathroom break, but don't see how easy running can hurt. Went up to mt rose pass and saw lake tahoe. pretty beautiful. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.500.000.000.003.50

more treadmill...felt horrible! 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.400.000.000.0014.40

Decided to run this trail i always see crossing the road. It is called the Saugatuck Trail and i've run parts of it in h.s. I found out online before i went that it was 6.9 miles each way which seemed plenty as i'm still unfortunately a weakling and unable to remove the virus from me despite 8 days of onslaught. No more sore throat but TONS of nose running. Didn't feel too bad otherwise and after 4 full days of not exercising it was just time. 

 I started the run somewhere towards the end but not at the end and the first mile was spectacular. The terrain was hilly and the trail well maintained with nice rock formations. This was by far my favorite part of the run. I soon came to a sign that warned to stay off the trail from February through June because of Goshawks who live there and will attack you. Seems pretty crazy but me and some friends have had prior run ins with owls. I came across 2 large groups of people which seemed odd. One group had 8 people in it with 5 dogs which were friendly and then another group had 4 men in it. They were talking about politics and heard the name obama. At 5.3 miles I came to the end of the trail and decided to run to the very edge of the reservoir just for a sense of completion and added another .3 miles to the turnaround.

 The run back was uneventful and not that pleasant, but also not unpleasant. Kind of rocky but not too bad, some ups and downs but nothing too memorable. Several road crossings. I got back to my car at 2hrs and 8 min and proceeded to the other end of the trail. This part was cool and rose onto a pretty impressive ravine. At this point my fingers were hurting badly because i couldn't find my normal running gloves. Got back to the car in 2hrs 38 min after starting.

 think i'm still dehydrated/sick and have an annoying headache. we'll see if i run tomorrow morning or not. I should probably just be realistic and not try to wake up so early in the cold and just be happy running 5-6 miles in the morning and sucking up 3-4 miles on the treadmill when i get back from work. i'm sick of this virus though!


 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

Felt sick this morning. Very congested and had a sore throat again. Felt better towards the end of the day. I planned on going on the treadmill tonight but literally after 12 seconds i said no way and went outside. It was quite warm out. Probably around 45F. I did a bunch of out and backs down dead end roads. Got 3.5 miles on dirt roads. Saw 4 sets of animal eyes. 2 of them scared me cause i thought they were probably raccoon and were really close to me. The headlamp makes the eyes look intimidating. Turned back there...and then i saw another pair of animal eyes and i saw them run off the road to see the white tail of the skunk. I was a little worried they might spray me. Every once in a while the ghost of my breath would startle me if the headlamp light hit it just right. I really enjoy running at night. My dad drove and found me at mile 8.5 of my run telling me how stupid i was for not wearing reflective gear. i'm not concerned because i can always see and hear the cars coming and go on the opposite side of the road. I also run on non thru roads and saw maybe 10 cars in the 1:27 of my run. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.200.000.000.007.20

1hr 6 mins 3.3 miles on dirt. ran part of it with my brother which was slow. now a veteran night runner, i got a reflective thingy and found my much improved headlamp. i can actually see the animal now and not just the eyes. to my surprise i saw two sets of eyes tonight and they were both of a single cat. it's weird but i think i might prefer night running to the day. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

another night run...no eyes tonight. 2.2 miles on dirt

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.300.000.000.0013.30

2hr 12 min trail run. Wanted to do an out and back of this relatively new local trail. It was extremely awesome. The big legs are still having a hard time adjusting to the new load of higher mileage not seen since 3 weeks before the oct marathon. I'll get there i think. I'm feeling 95% now, just a few sniffles left but that could just be me in the winter. Definitely a new favorite trail. I still am amazed at how isolated you can feel in a place so populated. There was a 2 mile stretch of trail which i saw not any hint of a single house...saw only a few people out there today on the trail which makes it even more appealing. i did see a cute running girl very early on the trail running the other direction. she had a shirt that said x country on it which made her cool. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.900.000.000.009.90

1hr 29 min trail run. just finished before it was pitch black. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.400.000.000.0011.40

2hr 9 min trail run at aspetuck. half the park feels like you're running on a stegasaurus. The rest is pretty awesome though. always super slow going. wanted for the run to be over the last couple miles but it wouldn't end. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

6.75 miles on trails, 1.1 miles on a dirt road and the rest on sloshy pavement. 1hr 55 minutes. legs feel kind of tired so i decided to take endurox r4 for recovery despite how gross it is. we'll see tomorrow if it worked. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.300.000.000.0010.30

1.5hr run with headlamp. Saw a deer and the air either was really dusty tonight or there were tons of tiny bugs everywhere. i think something swooped at me once but not sure what it was. no contact though which was good. think endurox definitely helped. i decided to only have 1/2 of the recommended serving tonight though because i wanted to save room for chinese food later. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.400.000.000.009.40

night run, went first 3.9 with brother around 9:30 pace then finished in 1hr 23 minutes. 3.3 miles of dirt road. heard an owl hooting and saw a deer shadow. so much dust in the atmosphere it's really gross thinking about breathing it all in. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.500.000.000.008.50

71 minutes in the dark. 3.3 miles on dirt road. i think it's time to get some new road running shoes now that i run on the roads. they're not very comfortable right now. the worst part of night running is putting on the gear.

every once in a while i get creeped out but i have a 4 mile circuit that seems to avoid as much creepiness as possible. it's all relative i guess. every once in a while you think you hear something...i think the bears may be hibernating now but in reality it's the owls you have to worry about.

 took half dose of endurox. seems to be working well. unless i run over 2hrs i'm only going to take the 1/2 dose. seems to be aiding recovery. i definitely recommend it. just drink it fast.

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7.400.000.000.007.40

got a late 8:15pm start. Had to pick up my brother and take him to dinner and eat at 6. Stomach was questionable to start but didn't feel too sick. started with brother. he bailed after 2 miles. something swooped down at me from a tree. my brother saw it too. it was as if it were a flying squirrel trying to attack me. whatever it was that glided then scurried like a demonized mouse. strange and unsettling. i ran the rest by myself. saw lots of eyes tonight. i guess it's later and more eyes come out to watch you. goal was just to do enough miles to not make hitting 70mpw too daunting over the next couple of days. will be able to run in daylight tomorrow which will be nice. 3.3 miles on dirt. 1hr 3 min. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

Got to miss work today b/c i had to do something business oriented out of town. Got back home around 2:30pm today so got to go for a trail run in the light. started off slow (as usual) running the first 6.3 miles in an hour. I then ran the next 5.7 miles in 47 minutes and definitely was pushing it. Felt pretty good. Right hamstring felt a little tweaked which is nothing new. time for a little stretch i guess and also can't forget the endurox. 1hr 47 min run.  Saw an entire deer full of fur just left on the side of the trail. pretty gross and lame that someone would just leave that there.
 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.900.000.000.0010.90

1hr 51 min trail run at a pathetically slow pace. very tired from yesterday's effort. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

almost took today off cause i just felt really tight in some toe joints and my hamstring and achilles felt off. i decided to go with my two younger brothers across the street to the woods i used to explore when i was a kid. We can now drive a mile into the woods cause of all the new fancy homes there which was nice today but sad so much has been ruined. We went to find this miniature stonehenge that used to be there about 10 years ago. It was no longer there. We then found this cool lookout rock. Mostly running but a little bit of hiking. 

 i then dropped the brothers off and went for another 5 mile trail run in the same woods but some other trails just to completely go back in time. the trails were ok but not the best in town like i used to think when i was younger cause they felt like my own. out there today for about 1hr 50 mins in all.
 

 

 

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decided today was the perfect day to take off since it is 16C outside. Hopefully the big legs will be refreshed. will aim only for 55 miles this week.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.250.000.000.0010.25

Decided to try running at a local h.s. track. It's odd that i didn't even consider this until someone at work suggested this when i was telling him of my animal encounter stories. The track isn't lit but there are enough peripheral lights that it is fine. There is also a cluster of fields that you can do an outer loop of for about 0.6 miles when the track gets boring. There is even a road loop of about 0.75 miles within the school complex which can mix things up. 

 Ran 2 miles easy in under 16 min! that's a first in a long time. I even stretched...the track promotes good running behavior. I then ran around the track and the fields which were much darker than the track. I was about a minute over 8 min/mile pace after about mile 8 until i came back to the track and there was now this guy running fairly hard and i ran the opposite direction and we were kind of  deadlocked with pace both running in the outer lane. I started pushing it slightly to try and gain ground and this guy obviously did too. This went on for about 1.5 miles and i was not really gaining anything despite speeding up, but then the guy disappeared. It was good to finish in 1hr 19 minutes the 10 miles. My legs were really right so i stretched some more. did 4x100m striders and then stretched again.

Running around tracks and fields gives my little toe blisters though which is a large negative. Need new running shoes...i ordered them today.
 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.600.000.000.008.60

lots of rain today. it let up during running time. ran 32 laps in lane 6. estimate it was 8.6 miles. got to wear shorts and a t-shirt it was in the mid 40's. there were deer around the track tonight. definitely am going to get some music next time or a book on tape. 

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From haynes on Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 21:21:25

Not a bad estimate. 8.71-8.73 depending on the lane width (some are 1.22 meters and some are 1.25 meters).

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8.800.000.000.008.80

Ran for 1hr 11 min around the track and bethel h.s. fields and roads. I was disappointed that my mp3 player which i thought was working again no longer did. huge bummer expecting to be amused by a book on tape. didn't run more than a couple laps on the track-too boring. the fields were extremely wet but muddiness and wetness doesn't really matter when you can't see how gross it is. did 6x100 striders at the end. 

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12.000.000.000.0012.00

2hr 24 min trail run. Explored some uncharted territory but ultimately didn't quite figure out how to get from point A to point B. I liked how i saw no one on the trails after being growled at and chased numerous times by dogs at the popular park. The rugged terrain definitely hurt even though it was slow going. Some parts of the trail were flooded in ice water which wasn't ice enough not to break through. some some crows eating a deer carcass and saw a hunting perch on the new trail i was exploring. Hopefully tomorrow i can get a significant long run in. we shall see. i hope it's not as cold as it was today. 

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3hr trail run. first complete out and back of 6 mile Aspetuck Valley Trail. Also ran around the park some more. Very few people and dogs on the trail although a doberman off leash charge me but didn't growl. it's still unnerving anytime a large dog comes sprinting at you because they all growl. No bad dog encounters today though. pretty good weather, maybe hit 40 so i got to wear shorts. definitely feeling pretty tired. pretty much the only thing i did today was go running. 

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7.500.000.000.007.50

ran at night on the track, fields, and h.s. roads. saw a pack of 8-10 deer on the soccer fields which weren't afraid of me at all. started out feeling horrible but by the end felt pretty loose and almost good. 1hr 6 mins. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.300.000.000.0011.30

water line broke under the road and a car fell into the sinkhole today when i went into work. our building didn't have any water and thus it was unsafe to do anything with chemicals so we got to go home at 1:30 today which enabled me to do an awesome trail run instead of a super lame run around a track at night with no lights. I got to listen to another koontz book on tape while i ran which made the time passing unbelievably well. the only bad thing was the gps crapped out at 3.1 miles and stayed crapped out. I ran 1hr 52 mins on the trails and will give myself a 10 min per mile day. 11.3 miles give or take not too much.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.100.000.000.009.10

8.6 miles on mostly fields in 1hr 16 min around the h.s.


The track was pretty icy as were the roads, although not as bad as the track. finally got new running shoes which felt pretty good. Did 8x100 striders at the end on the football field. 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.200.000.000.0010.20

got an xmas tree tonight after work. got home late and decided not to go out to the track but to run on the roads by the house. Got 5.5 miles on dirt and the 1hr 34 minutes went by quickly listening to a book on tape.

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9.100.000.000.009.10

snow run. we have 8 inches now so probably 6+ inches when i started. Running in the snow with the headlamp was kind of cool but kind of annoying because all the flakes were right in your face. it took me 1hr 37 min to go 9 miles but it was really fun and i saw another runner which was cool. may try to do some xcountry skiing were i go trail running tomorrow. 

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10.200.000.000.0010.20

it's always been annoying how my left hand always freezes while my right hand is fine. i can barely type with my left right now. the run was pretty good. i did a couple repeats on an unplowed dirt road which was gorgeous. about 5 miles on dirt with snow and the rest on disgusting sloppy roads. 1hr 43 min

couldn't pass up the snow so did 6 miles of xcountry skiing after. 1hr 41 min. it's great to have a 6 mile loop of mostly carriage roads only 7 minutes away.
 

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.450.000.000.0010.45

no long run today. would have taken too long. while running on the roads today i chose a particularly steep hill and a car trying to avoid a plow skidded towards me and i had to jump off the road. i love how after i jumped off the road i got honked at as if i was doing something wrong. 1hr 51 minutes today. Probably about a foot of snow total now and the roads were really slippery. I saw someone else struggling trying to run where there was less snow but there was much more traction in the powder on the side of the road.

 

after went skiing again. 5.95 miles in 1hr 45. found a trail that no one had been on yet. the snow was great.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.650.000.000.0010.65

1hr 34 mins. better traction today. ran a new loop and turned around on this road because there was a dog randomly walking on it. it wasn't aggressive but i simply don't trust dogs not to bite me. i really liked the loop though. very hilly and interesting terrain. 

Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 10.65
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

1hr 45 min road run. followed by 7.25 mile 1hr 51 min xcountry ski. 

Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 11.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.450.000.000.0011.45

reverse loop as yesterday. very gross out. 1hr 42  mins

Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 11.45
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

same loop 1hr 38 minutes. good road conditions today made the run easier. going skiing tomorrow so probably won't run. 

Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 11.50
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.650.000.000.0019.65

went telemarking yesterday for the first time in 2yrs. quads were a little sore to start. 3hrs 37 min trail run in about 3 inches of mushy snow. 

Montrail Hardrock1 Miles: 19.65
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.660.000.000.009.66

1hr 44 min trail run. snow is almost all gone. it was interesting running through the warm and cold patches in the air. first no shirt run in a long time. 

Montrail Hardrock1 Miles: 9.66
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

felt like a fat bum after not running yesterday so woke up at 5am to run before work. 1hr 40 min. 

Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 11.50
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

for some reason we get this day off which allowed me to sleep until 10 and go running out in the snow. the trails were beautiful today and i only saw 1 person and 2 dogs. 2hrs 23 min. 

Montrail Hardrock1 Miles: 14.00
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1523.55191.20108.3035.121858.17
Brooks Adrenaline 8 Miles: 56.60Montrail Hardrock1 Miles: 43.31
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