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Location:

St. Petersburg,FL,

Member Since:

Dec 30, 2014

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

  • 5k - 3/8/14 - Armadillo Run - 15:58
  • 10k - 2/7/15 - BDR, Safety Harbor - 33:17
  • 15k - 2/21/15 - Gasparilla - 51:05
  • 1/2 - 12/14/14 - Holiday Halfathon - 1:13:31
  • Marathon - 10/04/15 - Twin Cities - 2:38:46

Short-Term Running Goals:

2016 Races

Clearwater Halfathon - Jan 11
Donna Hicken Marathon - Feb 14
Gasparilla 15k - Feb 20
Florida Beach Halfathon - Mar 6
??? Chicago Marathon ???

Long-Term Running Goals:

Find balance. Run with my girls. Break 15 in the 5k.

Personal:

Born in 1973 in Southern California.

Ran in high school for Arcadia. They have a famous cross-country team now. In my day, we were famous for dodging our coach during runs.

Over the next 15 years I ran very little, but life was awesome. I lived mostly in Northern California, where I met my wife. We moved back to her native state of Florida in 2005, where I gradually started running more seriously.

 

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3821.55184.50194.7012.754213.50
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles. Family run to Northshore Park. Usual routine pushing the jogging stroller, then running around on the grass with the girls. We look a little nuts, but the shoe fits.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 7 miles with a few strides mixed in.

PM: 8 miles after work. Finally feeling a bit snappier.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.001.000.0011.00

AM: 6 miles to Northshore with the girls.

PM: 5 miles, with 1 @ 5:29. I was hoping for 3 @ 5:27, so I can't say the run was a success. But it wasn't a complete fail either. This is the first fast running I've done in two weeks, and I haven't felt sharp a single time in that period. Also, 84 F, 70 dew point.

Justifications aside, I have 7 weeks to Gasparilla 15k, where I'm hoping to run 9.3 miles at 5:27. So I have my work cut out.

On the wholly positive side, I ran the last part with Elise on her bike. She is almost ready to lose the training wheels.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

AM: 9 miles moderate with Lee and Christina. Way too humid for January.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles. Big week ahead.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Comments
From RileyCook on Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 19:18:40 from 73.52.134.194

Welcome to the blog. I hope you enjoy it. You have some great PRs. There's some great master's runners on the blog and it looks like you'll add to that!

From Drew on Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 07:31:17 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Riley, I really appreciate that.

One main motivation for me to sign up is following runners like you.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.250.000.003.7514.00

AM: 6 relaxed miles. Christmas decorations are put away, everyone is back to work or back to school. I'm ready to get focused. Tonight is my first real track workout in over a month. We're repeating a ladder we did in late September when I was at a peak, firing on all cylinders. So tonight's workout should be...telling.

PM: 8 miles at SPC track. I ran a descending ladder with Mike and Lee. Here's the format:

1 X 1 MILE, 400 REST, 1 X 1200, 400 REST, 800 WITH 200 REST 800 WITH 400 REST, 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST

I last ran this workout Sept 23rd, and it was one of my best track workouts to date. At the time, I was coming off a couple months of high mileage, and I had a few weeks of sharpening under my belt.

Since then, I've had positive weeks, but also a few weeks lost to a hamstring injury and the flu. This was my first real track workout in over a month.

I didn't think I could match Sept 23rd tonight, but I was hoping to be in the neighborhood. Overall, I was. I struggled most on the 800s, at which point the missing stamina became pretty apparent. Overall though, I can't complain. The parentheses indicate the number of seconds over (+) or equal to (=) my comparable time from Sept. Recovery pace was slow, 2:30-2:45 per 400.

Mile: 4:59 (=)
1200: 3:42 (+1)
800s: 2:26 (+1), 2:27 (+2)
400s: 1:11 (+2), 1:09 (=), 1:09 (=), 1:08 (+1)

I'm hoping this is more a baseline than a peak now.

Comments
From Bret on Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 13:22:20 from 216.234.133.229

Nice updated profile photo!

From Drew on Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 13:48:18 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret - every time I looked at my old picture I had a flashback to that classic Simpsons episode:

- Are you being sarcastic, dude?

- I don't even know anymore...

Your cross training is very impressive. I don't think I'd have anywhere near that focus and motivation.

From Bret on Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 14:17:06 from 216.234.133.229

Too funny!

I particularly liked the background Gator tent.

I am committed to the cross training at this point. Goal is to at least maintain fitness - drop some unwanted holiday lbs (or kilos) and be ready in February to resume normal running - at least gradually.

I like none of the different things (swimming, indoor cycling or rowing) well enough to just do one of them. The variation (or multiplication) of each is to help tolerate / suppress my boredom of doing them, and my frustration with no being able to run.

From Bret on Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 07:16:24 from 216.234.133.229

Nice workout Drew - do you normally do these workouts 5 days prior to a marathon?

From Drew on Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 08:18:17 from 24.73.66.122

Hey Bret - I would absolutely not run a workout like that 5 days out, normally. I'd usually do something like 4 or 5 miles @ MP. Then I'd really get lazy...

Disney is going to be an aberration. I signed on for the race late summer, with some trepidation, knowing I wanted to focus in the fall on half-marathons, then switch to shorter distances in Feb & March. I was relying on everything going perfectly in order to have enough time to train for a marathon right around the New Year.

Predictably, everything didn't go perfectly, and a couple weeks ago I found myself facing the reality I wasn't prepared for the race. Some people can race any distance pretty well, provided they are in good shape overall. Personally, I really need to drill my target race pace to hit a goal time.

Since I'm not there, I decided to just train through the race, and Sunday I'll run with a friend shooting for 2:50. I'm mostly OK with that - I've gone from dreading the race to looking forward to it. Note to self though, avoid over-scheduling.

From Bret on Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 11:25:06 from 216.234.133.229

Ah - well I kinda figured you weren't keying in on Disney when I saw that workout - so that make sense given what you said. Hope you enjoy it. I'd be pretty happy with taking it easy and seeing a 2:50 when I cross the line!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 7 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.004.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles on a (Florida) cold and windy morning. Plan was 4 mile tempo at 15k target pace (5:27). Averaged 5:40 for 4 miles. Part of that was on me, but the wind today could not be denied.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Comments
From Bret on Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 11:46:06 from 216.234.133.229

It was 9 in north ATL this morning with a wind chill of -3.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 10 miles in the outer darkness.

PM: 4 miles after work with strides. Went to Lakeland to work on a client site today. It gave me a new appreciation for Tampa/St. Pete.

Comments
From Bret on Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 07:51:25 from 99.1.220.106

Sounds spooky.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles with strides. Heading off to Orlando in a couple hours.

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 15:28:54 from 99.1.220.106

Good luck tomorrow Drew. Have fun!

Race: Disney Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:48:05, Place overall: 18, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
22.006.000.000.0028.00

To preface, I'm not a Disney fanatic. We have two daughters, 3 and 6, who may be the only children in Central Florida yet to enter the Magic Kindgom. Growing up near Disneyland in California, I have fond memories, but only within the past year has the draw become difficult to resist. They'll finally be going later this month.

Early in the fall I applied for a program that invites a dozen FL runners to the WDW Marathon, and comps their entry, hotel and throws in park passes and other neat perks. While this isn't a marathon I'd typically target, I applied for the benefits, and thought it would fit within my racing schedule.

I was grateful to be accepted, but knew it would be tight to fit in a fall half-marathon series, this marathon and then the typical Feb/March peak races in Central Florida.

My fall was a mixed bag. I raced mostly well. I had a lot of great training. I did get injured for two weeks though, and spent another week and half sick with the flu. I never got in the (abbreviated) marathon training block I'd hoped for. I found myself in late December with the realization I wasn't in shape for full-blown marathon PR attempt.

That's not where I usually come in at. I don't run a ton of marathons - 1 or 2 a year tops. When I do, I train for them with focus and let other distances go by the wayside. Up to Disney, I'd run 9 marathons, and lowered my time in 8 of them. So to decide this time that I'd run a sub-optimal effort wasn't easy to get my head around. Also, since I'd applied and been invited to the race, I was guilty about not showing up in peak shape. Ultimately, it wasn't the best planning on my part, but once I let it go, everything fell into place. Yes, that was my one subtle Disney reference.

A very good friend and training partner, Quint, was also running, and hoping to break 2:50. This would be over a 6 minute PR for him. He had an excellent fall, with PRs in the 5k, 10k and a recent 1:19:46 half-marathon, so this was an attainable (though challenging) goal. We decided to run together.

The morning of the marathon was pleasant - a little under 60 degrees. Slightly warmer than you'd want, but not a killer. We got off to a good start in the race, and clicked off steady miles to hit the halfway point in 1:24:36. Over the next three miles, we picked up a few more seconds to hit mile 16 about 40 seconds ahead of pace. I could feel the distance starting to take its toll on Quint. The Disney Marathon, despite its reputation, is actually fairly interesting, but the sights come at the expense of an extremely circuitous course with countless tight turns. I can't really tell one theme park from the next, but miles 18-20 navigated a sports complex and dirt track. For Quint, the wheels wobbled here. We started losing steam, and at mile 20 were a few seconds behind 2:50 for the first time in the race.

I knew where he was - I have been there in marathons, and most everyone has. There is no benefit to having a friend around...it's nothing you can think or talk your way through. You just have to get to the finish line. So after a short, grunted conversation, I took off. I ran the last 10k mostly at marathon pace in 38 minutes. As I ran through Epcot, I was struck repeatedly by how difficult the course was to navigate, and pitied the fool who chose this marathon to run a PR. I finished with a silly leap at the finish line. I'm not sure why I did that.

Quint showed a lot of grit. He finished in a little over 2:57. He could have taken a more incremental approach and paced for (and probably nailed) 2:52-2:54. I really respect him for swinging for the fences.

The big story of the day was my wife, Allison. Allison has run around 3:46 a couple times over the past few years in attempts to hit a sub-3:40 BQ qualifier. Over the last six months, she began training seven days a week and increased her mileage. Through steady work and determination, she got to the starting line in great shape, and I knew she was ready to run sub-3:40. As I ran the course though, I became concerned. Disney is a fun marathon to experience, but if you are there to hit a time goal, you'd better be ready to run 1-2 minutes faster on a more neutral course.

I found a spot at the finish line. From checking her splits on my phone, I could see Allison was dead on pace up to mile 20. With 30 seconds remaining, she came around the final turn and qualified with 7 seconds to spare. Definitely the best moment of the day.

For me, this marathon was a good lesson. I sometimes wonder if I'll be interested in running when I can no longer improve my times. Although I get a lot from watching my friends race and train, I have wondered how motivated I'll feel when I'm no longer chasing PRs. After this race I am thinking I may be in this for the long haul after all.

Samwise Gamgee was on our bus back from the race, and being huge nerds, we had to hassle him for a photo-op. He was a sweet guy, and we actually ran into him in the halls of the hotel a few more times that day. Each time, he was stoically posing with fans looking not a little like a guy who had hiked hundres of miles through poison swamps and razor sharp rocks.


Comments
From Bret on Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 08:28:02 from 216.234.133.229

2:48?! Amazing - when you were clear that you were not really ready to race and still went sub 2:50. Nice job. Hope it all went as planned and your friend was able to hang with you all the same.

From Drew on Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 18:27:39 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret! It was really an excellent experience, and I think Disney is a great race as long as you are there just to enjoy running around.

From Jason D on Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 19:19:31 from 68.80.27.222

Good effort, Drew. I'm with you on running marathons: I want to lower my time and be in the best position to do so. This will build some strength for the races to come. A belated welcome to the blog.

From Drew on Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 19:50:56 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Jason! Yeah, that is my thinking as well. This time didn't play that way, but the experience was worthwhile.

I'm hoping that after some time, with my head in the sand, I'll come back ready for a strong fall marathon.

From Bret on Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 20:35:23 from 99.1.220.106

Great report Drew. Where did Quint end up finishing. I met him and Christina at Chicago in the fall. Great couple. And fast too.

From Drew on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 05:43:49 from 24.92.19.68

Hey Bret - thanks, reading your comment made me realize I didn't wrap up that part of the story. Quint came in at 2:57. No doubt he could have run faster if he went out more cautiously, but he went all in. He's got the spirit.

From Bret on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 06:54:18 from 216.234.133.229

Cool. And congrats to your wife on the BQ - quite a moment you captured in your report.

From Jake K on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 09:06:17 from 159.212.71.25

Nice race and recap. I take it the course is pretty flat, just lots of turns? I was impressed by the times of the top men - it seems like this marathon is getting more competitive at the front end. It's nice that Disney gives some perks to the better local runners like yourself... they can probably afford it :-)

From Rob Murphy on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:05:16 from 163.248.33.220

I lived in Anaheim until I was 13 when my family moved to Dunedin. Been to Disney 100 times. My kids have never been and will, no doubt, be scarred for life.

Great race report.

From Drew on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 18:25:27 from 24.92.19.68

Jake - I have heard tell of races that involve such things as hills, climbs and elevation change - but I've always taken that on faith, kind of like the Loch Ness Monster. Disney is flat as a pancake, so we Floridians are resigned to complaining about the couple highway underpasses on the course. In seriousness though - yeah, the winning time was insane, given the amount of turning and how strung out the front of the race is.

Rob - Anaheim to Dunedin - that sounds like an interesting story. I'm also glad to hear I'm not the only parent whose children live in want and deprivation.

From Rob Murphy on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 18:42:32 from 24.10.247.181

We were in California a couple years ago. Had a nice hotel on the beach in SLO County. I was fully planning on taking the kids to Disneyland but they seriously told me that they would rather play at the beach. Beach - Free, Disneyland - second mortgage on my home. It wasn't a hard choice.

From Rob on Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 01:19:35 from 69.94.197.42

So far, Disney has been the only marathon I've run. My family is big on Disney World so when they heard I wanted to do a marathon, they encouraged me to do WDW. I did the race in 2011 and ran 2:54:46.

Reading this race report about your friend gave me flashbacks. I felt great through the half and then at mile 20 I thought I wouldn't finish.

Thanks for sharing your perspective on the course as an experienced marathoner. I've always had this thought that Disney was probably the easiest course out there and that with how rough it was for me that I might be wise to never run another marathon. Great to know that you consider it a somewhat challenging course, encouraging for me.

From Drew on Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:01:48 from 24.73.66.122

Rob - 2:54 is great for a first marathon. My first was 4:06!

I see you're in ATL... one low-key marathon near you is Jacksonville in late December. I ran it a year ago - it's flat, fast and well-organized. No frills and no spectators, but it's hard to appreciate the surroundings during a marathon anyway.

From jtshad on Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 08:55:59 from 69.20.183.178

Nice race! I did that one a few years back and it has some small challenges. Nicely done to your wife as well.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8 miles around the Animal Kingdom Lodge. By around, I mean in the parking lot. I tried running down Osceola Parkway, but it's one of those situations in which you drive or you die. Frogger, effectively. That said, the parking lot out there is huge.

PM: 6 miles back in St. Pete in the afternoon. Elise rode the first two with me on her bike, and her training wheels never touched the ground. Our second mile was close to an 8:00 mile.. the possibilities of running with her riding are very exciting.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.002.000.0014.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 8 miles at track practice. I'm feeling pretty good after Sunday, but not good enough for a full-contact workout. I ended up mostly jogging, and ran 4 800s medium-hard.

Comments
From Bret on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 13:25:58 from 216.234.133.229

So Samwise ran the marathon? Was he wearing shoes or just big hairy hobbit feet?

From Drew on Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 18:32:02 from 24.92.19.68

Yeah, he totally ran it! It's funny - he was extremely animated on the bus ride back, and I'm ashamed to admit I didn't recognize him.

I heard him going on and figured he had just partaken freely of varied refreshments. As we were disembarking, Quint said - "Hey - that guy's an actor - he was in LOTR, and Goonies..." and it all fell into place.

Probably a good thing I didn't catch on to him, or I would have driven him nuts with annoying hobbit-related conversation.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 7 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 9 miles at lunch with Quint. I was happy to hear he was a fan of American Ninja.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.004.000.0018.00

AM: 12 miles, with 2 x 2 mile workout, 5 minute jog between sets. Target was 5:15-5:20 pace.

  1. 10:29 (5:15, 5:14)
  2. 10:36 (5:18, 5:18)

Overall, encouraging, but also a good lesson. Next Friday I'm planning on 3 x 2 miles. If I want to surive to the third repeat, I need the first one to come in closer to 10:40.

PM: 6 miles with Quint at lunch.

Comments
From Burt on Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 13:54:59 from 174.17.89.12

Nice miles this week.

From Drew on Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 07:01:19 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Burt. More than usual, but I'll take it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 6 miles to Northshore Park with the girls. Sometimes, these Saturday morning runs are jolly occaisons of family togetherness in the outdoors.

Not today. But to be fair, when 6 and younger, and only used to FL climates, it can't be much fun getting stuffed into a jogging stroller at 7am in Arctic 50 degree weather.

PM: 6 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.000.000.000.0023.00

AM: 21 miles on a beautiful morning, 6:55 avg pace. Ran with Scott D and Mike M - small group this morning since we have two big local races today.

Should be fun to see the results. Also watching Jon Mott, one of the best runners in Central FL, try to hit the OTQ mark in Houston.

PM: 2 miles, running with Elise on her bike.

Comments
From Jason D on Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 09:07:02 from 68.80.27.222

Do you tend to do longer runs like this even when you are training for mostly shorter races?

From Drew on Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 16:20:18 from 24.92.19.68

Hi Jason - yeah, I do long runs most weekends. Personally, I find the stamina transfers well to all distances.

Also, when I flip back to marathon training from shorter distances, it's nice to just focus on pace and be comfortable with the distance of the runs.

From Jason D on Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 19:02:07 from 68.80.27.222

Smart. I always try to not get too far from my long runs, but when I'm not in marathon training it's hard to get motivated to do much more than 17-18.

I mostly do them for strength for half marathons, volume, and weight maintenance.

From Drew on Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 05:50:22 from 24.92.19.68

I hear you - those long runs can really grind. I'm lucky at the moment to have a good group to run with - but that can come and go.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 10 miles. I'm going to be working at a client for the next couple weeks that reminds me of the captain from The Black Hole. Not in the sense that he turns his employees into cyborgs, but in that his enterprise lives on the brink of a spinning vortex of chaos and destruction. The problem for me is going to be squeezing in my lunch runs.

PM: Zero. I was hoping I could find a small window, but there was no escaping the Kafka-themed reality show we seem to be filming at work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.003.0014.00

AM: 4 miles. I'm making it to track tonight no matter what.

PM: 10 miles. Here was the workout for tonight: 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 5 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST; 400 REST BETWEEN THE THREE SETS

It was a struggle tonight. I was worn down, and things were about to get real ugly when Lee jumped in and started each rep a few seconds ahead to pull me in. Considering he ran a marathon on Sunday, he definitely got in his good deed for the day.

  1.  1:09, 1:13, 1:12, 1:13
  2. 1:13, 1:12, 1:14, 1:11, 1:14
  3. 1:13, 1:12, 1:12, 1:10

Recovery pace averaged about 8:20. Not the sharpest, but I was glad to get through it.

Comments
From Bret on Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 07:05:07 from 216.234.133.229

Pretty consistent Drew. Curious - Was your goal to hit these paces or just run as quickly as you could for those reps/sets and see what you could do?

From Drew on Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 16:34:14 from 24.92.19.68

Hey Bret - I was hoping to average 1:10 (as my first split hinted). On my second split, I thought maybe I wasn't focused...but it was clear quickly I didn't have much.

So to answer your question - I was hoping for better, but downshifted to just running as well as I could. It was discouraging to work so hard for 1:13s and 1:14s, but that's how it goes sometimes. Also, I think I'm going to avoid the cookie from Starbucks at 2pm next time. :)

It wasn't all that terrible. I think the best I've averaged on this workout is 1:11.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 10 miles

PM: 4 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Busy, but getting most of the running in. 3x2 miles tomorrow AM.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.006.000.0017.00

AM: 12 miles, with 3x2 miles around 10k pace, 5 minute jog recoveries in between. Subjectively, at least, the best workout of the year. Compared to last week, I felt in much better control of the pace.

  1. 10:43 (5:22, 5:21)
  2. 10:38 (5:20, 5:18)
  3. 10:39 (5:22, 5:17)

One thing I seem to keep forgetting and needing to relearn is that when I'm trying to run a 10k, it's best for me to start above target pace and work down. I've probably imploded in the 10k more than any other distance, and running even a few seconds too fast in the first mile or two is a bad, bad idea.

My race is in two weeks, and I can feel it starting to come together. On a good day, I think I can run a PR (a little under 33:30). I'd love to break 33, but that's going to be a stretch.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 16:23:01 from 99.1.220.106

Really solid workout there Drew. Which race are you doing in two weeks?

From Drew on Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 17:10:36 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret - getting there. First off is Best Damn Race 10k in Safety Harbor on Feb 7th. Not sure if that violates the language rules on the site, but that's what the race is called.

Third year going, it's picked up quite a bit up steam. Last year the organization was iffy, but the marketing/branding seems to be effective, which I don't quite get. But I don't get the marketing in most running events, come to think of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 0. I had an hour this afternoon between my niece's birthday party and my daughter's basketball game. Run 5 miles or sleep? I chose sleep. Very solid nap.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.002.002.000.0018.00

AM: 18 miles, 6:46 average. An awesome and varied group for the the long run this morning. Splits all over the board, with a few in our group picking up their training for Boston. I ran one mile a little under 5:15 to touch in on 10k pace.

Today was one of those (rare for me) mornings when running at any pace felt easy, great even. Afterwards I had a huge rush of positivity. Eventually the adrenaline died down and I realized my legs are feeling a little thrashed, but not in a bad way.

Comments
From Bret on Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 07:33:13 from 216.234.133.229

LOVE those kinds of days. Good for you!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 7 miles on a wet morning.

PM: 7 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.500.000.003.5014.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 10 miles at track. Workout for tonight: MILE, 800, 400, 200, EACH WITH 200 REST, 2 SETS WITH 400 REST BETWEEN THE SETS

This is similar to the descending ladder from a couple weeks ago, but with shorter rest and more variation in distances. I felt solid tonight, though I still am not running my 800s as well as I should. The 400 & 200s felt like a full-effort, but without overly straining.

In the last three weeks there has been incremental but noticeable progress. Splits:

  1. 4:59, 2:28, 1:11, :33
  2. 4:58, 2:28, 1:10, :32

Recoveries were 9:30-10:00 pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8.5 miles. It isn't pretty, but to quote DDL in There Will Be Blood, "I have a competition in me."

This morning, on a recovery jog, I felt compelled to run down a good-sized group ahead of me- not a high school team, or a rival track club, but one of those Couch->5k programs, out enjoying their morning. Ug. I've always wanted to be a Zen master, but I'm so clearly not cut out for it.

PM: 5.5 miles at lunch with Quint.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.0011.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles, with 5 mile tempo, 15k target pace (~5:27). Averaged 5:25, a very good day for me.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Comments
From jtshad on Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 16:28:49 from 141.221.191.225

Great tempo, looking strong for the upcoming 10k and a good racing year. Impressive mileage! Keep up the strong work representing the "old guys"!

From Jason D on Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 17:50:29 from 68.80.27.222

I think you are ready for that 10k PR, Drew. Only a couple seconds slower than current 10k PR through 5 miles. 5:25 is clearly not 10k pace any more!

From Drew on Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 18:40:02 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the positivity.

Jeff, I'll try to carry the graybeard banner for another month or two, but I'll need a good long nap after that, and I'm counting on you to pick it back up!

Jason - I think I am ready to drop my PR. I do report Garmin miles - so on a certified 5 mile course that was probably more like 5:27 or 5:28. :) But getting there.

From Jason D on Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 19:48:22 from 68.80.27.222

You mean you don't believe in Garmins 100% :-)

I keep telling myself I'm going to throw mine away (several of them), but it hasn't happened. I did switch to a Timex for 99% of certified courses though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 9 very early morning miles. We're taking the kids to Disney on Sunday, so after protracted negotiations, I moved my long run to Saturday, and Allison moved her Sat. morning run to this morning. Since I'm taking Sunday off, and next week will be light, I didn't really want to skip another run today, so I was up today before 4.

The world is really beautiful and still at that time of day, but I found myself in an emo state of mind, with ghosts and concerns dancing around my head. I don't think I'll make these super early mornings a habit.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles, moved up from tomorrow to today. Quint, Christina and Lee joined me for a run up the Pinellas Trail and back. This was a good change from the usual downtown St. Pete loop, especially for Q&C who are training for Boston. On the trail we ended up with 12 overpasses for about 350 ft of elevation gain. That probably sounds ridiculous for 20 miles, but I'm lucky to gain 30 feet in my normal long run. Avg pace 7:08.

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 16:29:46 from 99.1.220.106

Good volume this week Drew.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint, cool and rainy.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.002.001.0015.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 11 miles at track. The workout scheduled for today: 6 X 300 WITH 100 REST; 3 SETS WITH 500 REST BETWEEN SETS.

Since I'm racing Saturday, I decided to name the first set Easy, the second Medium and the third Hard.

Running 300s is out of my comfort zone. According to Lee's theory, that makes it a perfect workout.

Splits for today:

  1.  58, 60, 59, 59, 58, 59 (Avg: 59)
  2.  55, 55, 56, 56, 55, 53 (Avg: 55)
  3. 49, 51, 50, 50, 50, 50 (Avg: 50)

I keep meaning to write better blog entries, but work has been super hectic lately.

Running-wise, I'm planning on taking it easy until Saturday, dropping down to single runs Thurs and Fri. I feel locked in right now, and ready for a good 10k. Just need to eat right, get my rest, and keep my head screwed on.

Comments
From Bret on Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 12:01:01 from 216.234.133.229

You look to me like you are ready. Good luck!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 9 miles.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles with a couple strides.

The weather is looking perfect for tomorrow. I know of at least two guys who will be in the mix in the 10k.

Nick Miehe: He's a bit of a wild card. Around 26 now and a few years removed from college, where he was mostly a middle-distance guy and ran a 4:08 mile. So on that level, he's a completely superior runner. He is still moving into longer distances, and in the couple longer races we've been in, I've had a slight edge due solely to years of higher mileage. If he's anywhere near me at mile 5, he's in the driver's seat.

Jon Noland: Definitely my #1 target in this race, and a more predictable factor, Jon usually runs a 10k close to 33:00. I don't know him well, and he seems like a very nice guy, but hey- rivals help! Plus:

  1.  Jon recently turned 40 and joined the Masters ranks.
  2. He's an (excellent) triathlete. Not that I hate triathletes, but honestly, I don't want to get beat by someone who trains for three events to my one.
  3. He destroyed me in this race last year.

Should be a fun day tomorrow!

Comments
From Bret on Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 06:49:31 from 216.234.133.229

Good recon work Drew. Best of luck tomorrow - have a great race!

From Jason D on Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 07:09:23 from 68.80.27.222

I enjoyed the scouting report. Have a great race.

From jtshad on Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 07:57:12 from 69.20.183.178

Good luck, run strong!

Race: Best Damn Race, Safety Harbor (6.214 Miles) 00:33:17, Place overall: 2, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.800.006.200.0010.00

Today was an early start - the 10k went off at 6:45 and the logistics of parking in Safety Harbor require a prompt arrival. I got to the start and ran into Bret and Richie, and a couple other friends to help break things up.

Nick turned out to be a wild card indeed, and didn't show up. Jon did, though. I've raced him at least twice before, but each time the other was having an off-day, so I had never really ran against him.

From the start we were alone out front, and ran through the first 1.5 miles together at a steady pace. I was planning to run the first mile under control, and it went by in 5:23, just about right. About halfway into the second mile, we crested a small rise then turned around. I'm not a good downhill runner, and Jon put a few seconds between us on the way back down.

I felt fine about letting him go, though. The pace was dropping slightly, and I was happy to be the hunter. I slowly narrowed the gap and caught back up to him at the 3 mile mark. So far, the race had gone to plan, but I was not able to bring it together for the second half. Mile 4 continued down the main drag, then made a right turn up a rise into a residential neighborhood. I hung with Jon until we hit the next downturn where he gapped me again, and I was never able to bring him back. We both hung on the rest of the way, and I finished in 33:17, with Jon 4 seconds ahead for the win.

Although the distance between us was narrow, I did feel pretty dominated. At no point did I lead the race or drive the pace. While I might not have had my A game today, I ran hard and never gave up, so I have to give Jon the credit - he was the better runner this morning.

There's disappointment when things don't go exactly the way you want, and there's disappointment when you underachieve. Today falls more into the first category. I did run a 10 second PR, which is something. 3x2 miles is usually a dead-on predictor of my 10k time, and that workout from a couple weeks ago averaged 5:21-5:22 with Garmin correction figured in. So today's result is about what I had coming.

I could leave it at that, with setting things into some kind of perspective, but then this would be a superficial race report. While driving home I felt my blood starting to boil. It's one thing to get blown out of the water by a runner on a totally different level, but losing a head-to-head race by a few seconds is not in that category. And I welcome that anger and frustration. It's easy to feel like all the miles and workouts have been for nothing, but I don't like that kind of thinking, which is really just an excuse for giving up. Instead, I'll be feeding the outcome of this race into the woodchipper, and when I'm tired in the morning, or dragging in workouts, it's more fuel for the fire.

I was able to make it back to the Y in St. Pete by 9am for my daughter's basketball game. Watching three-year-olds play basketball is a good antidote to competitive rage.

Splits:

  1. 5:23
  2. 5:19
  3. 5:19
  4. 5:23
  5. 5:22
  6. 5:22
  7. 1:09 (5:12 pace)

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 14:31:27 from 107.72.164.35

Nice report Drew. For what it is worth - Richie and I both thought you looked the stronger runner at 4.5 miles than Jon and both thought you were in close enough contact to make a move at the end. In hearing Jon's comments post-race make a mental note that he has no confidence in the final meters of a race and so next time if he tries to gap you at 4 - keep in mind you will have the mental edge to catch him at the end. Congrats on the PR pay-off for your solid training. Well done!

From Drew on Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 19:50:54 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret - I think your comments are worth plenty. Part of what fueled my frustration is that I did feel I never achieved liftoff today. But sometimes that happens.

I did well this week with rest and mindset. The one thing I'd change is my last set of 300s on Tues - I think I ran a little too hard. It's one thing to recover from 5k or so pace, but I was running into mile or better pace territory, and it left a mark. A good lesson for Gasparilla in 2 weeks.

From Jason D on Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 19:57:42 from 68.80.27.222

I enjoyed and learned a good bit from the report, Drew. Splits look really clean.

The indicator workouts are a blessing and a curse. You hit a good indicator workout and you know what you are capable of but generally there are no great surprises on exceeding expectations (but there are times).

Congrats on the PR.

From Drew on Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 20:25:02 from 24.92.19.68

Jason - I am mentored by an old-school runner named Joe Burgasser. I'm paraphrasing, but he once told me: "The thing about running- I could swing at 1,000 pitches from C.C. Sabathia, but eventually, I'd get on base. In running, you're always constrained by your fitness."

Along that line is a quote I read from from Malcolm Campbell: "If you have trained properly for an event with an adequate background of training, the race should go closely as planned. "

From Mike on Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 14:55:17 from 65.34.80.35

Drew- I'm impressed with the splits being so on, even more so that you held on to finish with a strong 0.2 to end it. Nice write up! I honestly think this near miss will do great things for you in your training- starting today.

And of course, feel free to take out your frustration/motivation on Tuesday.

Keep up the writing!

From Drew on Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 15:12:46 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Mike. I feel mostly purged now. :)

What wasn't a near miss was your race. Congrats on a strong win and PR - no surprise though, with how well you're running.

From Rob Murphy on Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 14:19:15 from 24.10.247.181

Just caught this a week late Drew. Good race, great race report. One of the reasons I'm on this blog.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 3 miles.

Typical Sunday with a lot of moving parts. I bartered away my Sunday run to race yesterday, so while Allison was out on the Pinellas Trail I took the girls out to run around and get donuts. Then I met up with Quint for 10 miles downtown in the late morning. Straight to a friend's daughter's birthday at a nature preserve, then home for the usual chores. Squeezed in 3 miles with Elise on her bike before dinner.

I can get tunnel vision when I'm training for a goal race. Today was a good recovery day, and a good time to remember the other moments that make running meaningful - being outside and active with my family, spending time with friends, and time alone too, when I can just unspool for an hour or so. It's about as close as I get to meditation.
 

Comments
From jtshad on Mon, Feb 09, 2015 at 07:59:02 from 141.221.191.225

Good recovery day after a good race. Congrats on the PR. Always good to give it some time to see things from different perspectives.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint, nice cloud cover and light rain.

I'm looking forward to watching classic movies with my daughters when they're ready. At 3 & 6, they haven't seen many yet, and my older daughter is sensitive, so it may be awhile.

This morning when running I was trying to come up with light movies- by that I mean stories that don't delve too heavily into romance or the threat of death. That's a tough list to assemble.

Last week I previewed the first 20 minutes of Pee-wee's Big Adventure, and it was just as nuts as I remembered. Although I think it does fit the above-state criteria, the pace seems to go back and forth over the line between madcap fun and unhinged insanity pretty freely.

There must have been some event yesterday in Straub Park downtime, since the usually pristine grass was covered with trash. Also, I felt creeped out by the sound of squirrel claws on oak tree bark...I guess my nerves are still a bit jangled.

 

Comments
From Mike on Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 21:17:55 from 65.34.80.35

I wonder what movie would be first on the docket with the oldest- maybe the princess bride? Too much Inigo Montoya for a 6 year old?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.004.500.000.0014.50

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 10.5 miles at track.

I had a good run in the morning. I've had a lot of crazy thoughts since Saturday - thoughts of cramming in more races and white-knuckle workouts into the next month, bad ideas all.

This morning I decided to take this week easy. I've put in a lot of good training lately, and I'll be fine for the 15k next Saturday.

Evening track with Lee and Steve. All of us raced on Saturday and wanted to keep it easy, so we ran a couple 800s, 1200s and mile repeats at 6:00 pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.500.000.000.007.50

AM: 7.5 miles.

PM: 0. The machines won = no lunch run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 0 lunch running again, although my computer crisis of the week finally got resolved. I don't like getting off schedule, but something tells me the extra rest is a blessing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.000.001.000.0020.00

AM: 12 miles. I met up with several friends at Northshore Pool, most were out for an easy run. I joined Mike G and Christina for a 6 mile tempo that came in right at 40 minutes. Both are running Boston and rounding into very solid shape.

PM: 7 miles. Met up with Quint for a lunch run. After a couple days of singles and lower mileage, I was feeling snappy.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Everyone in the family ran but me today. Allison did her long run, and when she got back we took the kids to Tampa for a race organized for 2-10 year olds. It's a neat event, broken into many waves by age, even month of birth. The kids get race numbers, and the experience of starting a race, but there is no clock or pressure.

Afterwards we spent the afternoon in Temple Terrace with family. A nice day, just no running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.000.001.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles with the Forerunners. A great group today, with a 4-3-2-1 theme mixed in for the members doing Boston. I ran the last mile at target 15k pace (~5:30) and felt solid.

I'm a little regretful last week was hit-or-miss, and the coming week is also going to be patchy, but I'm trying to remember the extra rest will probably help more than hurt.

Comments
From Mike on Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 19:58:44 from 65.34.80.35

Sad I missed it!

-mike

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 9 miles

PM: 5 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.500.003.500.0010.00

PM: 10 miles at track. No snowpiles building up here, but driving through St. Pete at 5pm in a steady, cool rain. We've got a good thing going on in our training group. I had little doubt Mike, Lee and Quint would still be there ready to go. And of course Joe standing under whatever shelter he can find, yelling splits.

Workout was: 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 3 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 400 REST BETWEEN THE SETS.

Lee, Quint and I are running Gasparilla this weekend, so we kept the effort controlled. I was looking for 10k-15k pace. Mike floated around us for the first half, then took off. Maybe because of the cool rain, or the reduced effort, but we kept the recoveries brisk, which felt good. Splits:

  1. 1:24, 1:24, 1:19, 1:19
  2. 2:45, 2:40, 2:35
  3. 1:16, 1:18, 1:18, 1:16

Comments
From Bret on Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 13:28:05 from 216.234.133.229

Nice. I envy the training group and the commitment. Nostalgic for running with my old cross country team in the summer rains in Florida.

From Rob Murphy on Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 13:58:51 from 163.248.33.220

I remember showering in a downpour on the Dunedin High track after a summer run. Bar of soap and everything.

From Drew on Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 18:01:28 from 24.92.19.68

I can definitely imagine that in a summer downpour. Last night was cool enough that I was ready to get off the track as soon as the workout ended.

There have been lean times in our track club so I really appreciate the group we have now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

My one planned run today was scrubbed by a surprise lunch meeting, but I didn't mind. It looks like I'm going into Gasparilla with a serious taper, which is probably a Good Thing.

There are many good and great races in Tampa Bay, but Gasparilla is the one event that sticks out. The 15k on Saturday is the race with history- between men and women the world record was set on the course five times in the early 80s. Gradually the elite prize money went away and was replaced by a very solid local purse for top 5 area finishers ($2000 for first place). So everyone tends to come out of the woodwork for this race.

Last year, both local and elite prize money was introduced for the half-marathon as well. Ryan Vail was the winner, with 3 other men under 1:05.

As exciting as it would be to run the half with nationally-known runners, I came back to the 15k again this year. Partially because of the tradition - and simply - there is a half marathon staged almost every week around here in Jan and Feb.

I managed to snag the 5th local spot last year, which was due at least in part to a softer field. This year looks to be tougher, with around a dozen guys who can contend for a top 5 spot. From what I can tell, only the first spot is automatic. Jon Mott, who recently ran heartbreakingly close in Houston to the OTQ (2:18:12), can tempo the race and win easily.

Irrespective of place, I'm just looking forward to getting out hard. Most of the guys know each other, and it's fun to run with and against them, and this is the #1 chance to do it during the year.

Comments
From Bret on Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:50:40 from 99.1.220.106

Drew - have a great race on Saturday. I was in the inaugural Gasparilla which started downtown Tampa by the official starter George Steinbrenner in the late 70's. It was the longest race I had ever run at the time when I was about 12 years old. Bill Rogers won as I recall. It is an awesome event. Have fun.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

AM: Just 2 miles. 37 degrees - the cold weather PR for St. Pete this winter.

Comments
From Rob Murphy on Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 17:06:10 from 24.10.247.181

You guys were colder than us here in Utah this morning. Clearly the end of the world is at hand.

Race: Gasparilla Distance Classic (9.321 Miles) 00:51:04, Place overall: 10, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.500.009.500.0013.00

I ran the Gasparilla 15k today, and it was kind of a beautiful race.

The start is in downtown Tampa by the convention center, a simple out and back on Bayshore Blvd. I ran into Coach Joe on my warmup. Being 76, Joe's hearing isn't what it used to be, and I hear like a 76 year old myself. Our conversations are often short, but we understand each other well. "Headwind on the way back," Joe noted, but quickly added: "Same for everyone."

No worries on my end, and it was true. Of the 9 times I've run on Gasparilla weekend, it has either been unseasonably humid or cool/windy, and I'll take the latter anytime.

The starting line looked pretty stacked this year. Many Forerunners and other friends around, and the race went out even quicker than usual. Once the dust settled, I found myself in 14th place. Several guys I wanted to run with were ahead of me, but I came through the first mile in 5:22, which was about 5 seconds faster than planned, so I didn't rush. The pace felt  relaxed, and I knew we were running with a good tailwind.

I passed a teammate around the first mile, then worked my way up to a group of three runners just ahead, one of them my training partner, Lee Stephens. I caught the group around mile 2, and hoped we'd continue together, but they were slowing slightly, so I just focused on maintaining pace. The next 4 miles were all around 5:26 and felt comfortable, with no changes in position.

At the start of mile 6 we were turning north onto Bayshore. Somewhere around here I passed one guy, and was passed by another. We got our first taste of the headwind, and it didn't feel bad. I was running a very good race, and was cautiously optimistic I'd break 51 handily.

Bayshore has long, gradual bends, and the headwinds in miles 6 and 7 were at worst 45 degrees. Unfortunately, around mile 8 we turned again and I hit the headwind full on now. I ran about 5:48 for this mile, and gave back my entire sub-51 buffer, and then some.

Coming into the last mile, I was dazed, and didn't fully register the footsteps behind me. Lee's voice jolted me so hard I would have jumped, if I wasn't so tired. "Come on Drew, you've still got plenty in the tank."

I've never thought of the right words  to say when I come up on another runner in a race, and I've never been particularly inspired by the comments of others. Not that I dislike the attempts at encouragement, but the standard "Good job" doesn't really cut it as you are getting passed.

Lee knows me well though, and he did get me fired up. He was right. We had turned out of the wind again, and I could still give more. What truly touched me though, was that it was completely apparent Lee wanted me to run my best. If he had cared more about beating me, he would have blown by - maybe that would have got me going, or just as likely, I would have been demoralized and slowed even more. I took Lee's words to heart and began pushing hard again. I knew I could come very close to breaking 51 minutes, and I was running as hard as I could.

Right around here, I heard Richie before I could see him. He has a bullhorn for a voice, and is the best cheerleader I've ever met. He was running on the sidewalk of Bayshore parallel to Lee and myself, shouting "Alright Drew, you're looking OK! Keep it up! Lee- close the gap! Close the f--- gap!!" I ran harder.

Just after the 9 mile mark, I saw Mike and his girlfriend cheering and holding up signs. Mike's read: "Drew - don't get lost!" I had a moment of existential panic - how could he know?! - then I realized he was referring to my well-earned reputation for running off course. It was refreshing to smile at that point.

I crossed in 51:04, 10th place this year. I wish I didn't tank quite so badly in mile 8, but I also realize that my first four miles were wind-aided, so you figure you have to pay the piper at some point. It would have been great to be in the top 5 local finishers, but truly, I'd rather this race have a great field, and this year was much better than last.

I lowered my 15k PR by about 55 seconds, didn't lose to anyone over 30, and had a finishing time that may be my best performance yet. But what made today special was seeing the true goodness in many people, in particular a few friends. That just doesn't happen every day, especially in middle-age, out of college, when people tend to hunker down and establish emotional distance. I need to remember all the things my running community has given me, to be sure to return it as I can.

Splits:

  1. 5:22
  2. 5:26
  3. 5:25
  4. 5:26
  5. 5:26
  6. 5:27
  7. 5:25
  8. 5:48
  9. 5:26
  10.   -- .3 1:53 (5:17 pace)

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:13:54 from 99.1.220.106

Great report and from the sound of it - a truly great race for you today, Drew. Congrats. Well done.

From Rob Murphy on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:33:19 from 24.10.247.181

Awesome report and great race! Top 10 at Gasparilla - not too shabby.

From jtshad on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:42:09 from 69.20.183.178

Great race! Congrats on a good time!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 09:54:35 from 107.77.66.49

Congrats on a great race, sounds like a very competitive one.

I'm with you, I hate "good job" as I'm getting passed. Clearly I'm not doing a good job!

From Derunzo on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:42:15 from 73.218.33.75

Great report and awesome race!

From Jason D on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:22:08 from 68.80.27.222

First-rate report. Congrats on the PR. Very clean splits once again.

From Jake K on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 14:20:13 from 98.202.128.218

Great race Drew. A minute off your 15K PR is huge!

Good thoughts about enjoying beautiful races like this.

From Mike on Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 18:42:52 from 65.34.80.35

Great report Drew! Those splits are great, and that head-wind was pretty heavy for mile 8... I did my run there this morning and felt bad for you guys having to deal with that especially so late into the race. Nice recovery!

From Drew on Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 17:34:01 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks for the supportive comments, it is very appreciated!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 10 very relaxed and easy miles, 7 of them with my wife, which is sadly very rare. We had a babysitter this morning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Shifting gears. With the 10k and 15k in the rearview mirror, my training for the next 6 weeks is focused on a mile road race and track 5000.

Main St. Mile - 4 weeks away: I ran this last year in 4:45, which I didn't feel was a good performance. This year, I'm planning to focus on mile training for the next 3 weeks and do my best to get under 4:35.

Florida Beach Halfathon - Day after Main St. Mile. The reason this race is on my calendar is that it's last in a series I started last fall. There is some decent money for top 5 finishers. I currently hold the #2 spot. I'm hoping just to hold my place in the standings. Not a goal race.

Carlsbad 5000 - I really wanted to run this, but some of my relatives are out of town that weekend, so I had to reschedule my trip to CA.

Ryan McCall Open Track Meet (5000 meters) - 7 weeks out. I really want to run a 5k before the heat sets in, and this is probably a little late, but it's the best thing for my schedule.

I have a reasonable sense for 5k - marathon training, but much less experience training specifically for the mile.  I'm always open to suggestions/criticism/random ideas - I would really love to hear about any workouts that have really helped runners in the late stages of gearing up to run a mile.

 

 

Comments
From Mike on Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 18:57:08 from 168.213.7.118

Saw this and asked my school's track coach what he knew, but didn't really hear anything appropriate for mile-specific. I'll keep asking around.

From Jake K on Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 08:58:52 from 159.212.71.69

About 3 years ago I played around and ran a road mile in the midst of a couple other races. I was able to essentially be in 5K-HM PR level shape and still run a decent mile by tacking on some fast 200s/400s to the end of workouts (with more recovery than usual)... or doing something like a morning tempo run, and then afternoon track reps (probably not a great idea in Florida!). It wasn't real mile-specific, but I was able to run pretty well and not sacrifice anything from my (more important) 10K/HM races.

From Jason D on Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:15:09 from 68.80.27.222

My only experience wasn't fast and I didn't train for it specifically, but Jake has a good point especially since you only have a couple weeks (how long should a mile buildup be?).

The idea of mixing in short reps at the end of the workout makes sense. I did a bit of short intervals sandwiched between tempo miles (1 mile tempo, 4 x 400 HARD, 2 mile tempo, 4 x 400 HARD, but these were workouts others were doing). Basically I learned I could run at mile pace when I didn't think I could.

There are some former strong 1500 meter runners on the blog but I am not sure you want to get into anything like that.

From Drew on Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:08:38 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks guys! Mike- if I see you tonight I'll sign you up for some fast 200s...

Jake/Jason- it sounds like you got my intent even though I didn't really get into details - obviously three weeks is not a serious training block - I'm trying at best to take my 10k/15k fitness and parlay it into whatever I can currently do for a mile.

I was thinking of attempting 8x400 with 1 min rest on the road on Friday, but after reading Jake's comment, I might be better increasing the rest. Not like I could probably hit that right now anyway. :)

From Bret on Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 08:04:32 from 99.1.220.106

You need to bend Richie's ear. sub 4:05 miler in college ought to have a few ideas.

From Drew on Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 08:08:55 from 24.73.66.122

We've had conversations - seems to boil down to a lot of 200s, 300s and 400s.

My dream is to get Richie out on a track screaming at me as I try to complete one of those workouts. Man he's good at that.

From Bret on Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 08:14:46 from 99.1.220.106

That's the ticket. I have in fact had him do that with me. He's the best!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.004.000.0015.00

AM: 6 miles, super foggy morning.

PM: 9 miles at track. Workout was 7 x 1000 with 200 rest.

I've recovered better from the past race than the 10k, but I still wasn't ready for a full workout today. I took it by feel, starting around 5:40 pace and working down. I felt better as the workout went on.

  1. 3:28
  2. 3:32
  3. 3:24
  4. 3:23
  5. 3:17
  6. 3:13
  7. 3:06

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 7 miles at lunch with Quint and Josh.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 8 miles.

An interesting and frank conversation with Quint at lunch, which really started a couple days ago at track with Lee. In a nutshell, both guys have told me they think my races this winter are underperformances.

The thinking is that I race too conservatively, not really finding another gear beyond what I have established in workouts. The workouts I did that were most specific to my races this winter were:

  • 10k: 3x2 miles, averaged ~5:21. Couple weeks later averaged 5:21 in a 10k.
  • 15k: 5 mile tempo, averaged ~5:28. My 15k pace was 5:28.
  • 1/2: 2 weeks out ran 8 miles @ 5:35, averaged 5:36 for 13.1

If anything, my serious track workouts are more skewed, where I run sub 5:00 pace for most repeats. That said, my best distance is probably 5k, so shorter reps are more a strength than say, marathon pace.

I'm a little divided. On one hand, I'd love to think that with some minor tweaks I could be running at a higher level. I do think there is plenty to think about in terms of what they're saying.

On the other hand, I'm comfortable with my approach, which is pretty good at predicting what will happen, and arriving at incremental improvments. I guess the question is whether I'm artificially limiting myself, or am I just dialed in to what I can reasonably do?

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From Jason D on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:59:13 from 139.84.48.251

That's some honest (and tough) criticism. Were the 8 miles @ 5:35 consecutive or broken up into 2 mile repeats? 8 miles at goal pace seems like too much, especially given your level.

I am noticing that you are running PRs consistently (all are recent) and they are some decent chunks given your abilities. And your are doing it at ALL distances.

I used to run 3-5 minute PRs in the half every time I went out and when I started only running 25-30 PRs seconds I would get frustrated, but a wise voice on the blog told me (and I hope he chimes in here), "it gets much harder to run PRs."

My wife will sometimes ask me what my goal is by which she means what is the end goal. I tell her "get faster." What she is really asking is "what will make you happy or satisfied?"

And once again, like any good academic I have said a lot and said nothing :-)

From Bret on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:21:03 from 216.234.133.229

Hmm.. I would tend to disagree that it is an "underperformance" if you are notching PR's in multiple distances at age 41 - especially if it is in line with your training results. If you were turning in markedly slower race results against your training times, they may have a point.

Perhaps they are suggesting instead that you have more in the tank than you give yourself credit for. That you can be more aggressive/competitive and less conservative in races and see even more significant PR's than you have seen. Sounds to me like they have got your back and they want to see you succeed even more. Those are good training partners to have.

From Drew on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:39:43 from 24.73.66.122

Jason - yes, the 8 miles was continuous. In the late stage of half-marathon build-ups, that is kind of a barometer workout for me. Your response says plenty too, thanks. :) I do think 8 miles is on the high end for that type of tempo, probably to their point.

Bret - you have it just right in your second paragraph. They are being honest - but totally supportive, just to be clear.

From Jake K on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 14:07:45 from 159.212.71.69

I'm typically most impressed by runners who have a very good / realistic sense of what they are capable of (both in workouts and races) and then perform well consistently in competition. From what I've seen you do in the past two months, it seems like you are really, really good in that area. It's impressive. I like your approach. If you are knocking out PRs across the board, I'd be hesitant to change the formula too much.

I also had no idea you were in your 40s. I would have guessed mid-30s w/ the times you are cranking out!

From Drew on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 15:27:11 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Jake - coming from someone of your talent and ability - that is very cool.

With the end of the racing season rapidly approaching in FL, I will probably try to incorporate a bit more aggressive approach in my last couple races - worst case, I will learn something.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.001.000.0018.00

AM: 12 miles. After discussion with Coach Joe, I decided to attempt .75 on the road at target mile pace. I wanted to have a sense for how that would feel, to help decide if it was worth spending a couple weeks training for Main St. Mile.

Pulled the plug at .35. I think it will be fun to chase this goal at some point in the future, but I am going to need more than 2 weeks to ramp up to it. By deciding to skip the mile race, I can focus more on my last two races of the spring.

After this misadventure, I met up with a group of friends training for Boston and we ran 6 miles together at their MP. That was more fun.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint, mostly easy, but 1 at 5:30 for no good reason.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles. I felt the ground way too much today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint. March brought the humidity. *sob*

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.504.001.500.0017.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 11 miles at track. Scheduled workout was 2x2 miles. I spent the day psyching myself up, but no mental trickery could change the fact that I'm pretty flat right now. I felt it on the warmup- a little extra soreness and fatigue, mental and physical.

I've come to recognize this part of the cycle - it arrives right on schedule in March, coincidentally with the rise in humidity. The hard part is that I'm not quite ready to give up on racing yet, but I do really need to reset my workout expectations.

Last year, I actually found the perfect solution, which was to switch gears into marathon training mid-March. Going from 5k to marathon training felt very refreshing, a different type of challenge very appropriate to the time of the season. With 10-12 weeks of training that led me right up to Grandma's marathon, which I can't say enough good things about.

I have too many non-running things to do this summer to contemplate that- including hopefully selling our house and finding a new one. But next year that will definitely be a consideration again.

For right now, I know I need to not force workouts - just put in the time, don't engage expections...I will feel stronger again, and it will be easier if monkey brain isn't jumping around and chattering throughout the process.

Anyway, I did run the 2x2 mile repeats with a few others, came in right at 12:00 for both.

Afterwards, I hopped in on 6 400s with Steve: 80, 80, 77, 77, 77, 69.

Flying out to LA after work for a long weekend on Friday, time to catch up with the family.

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From Bret on Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:12:21 from 216.234.133.229

Drew - that's good perspective. I would recommend listening to the podcast series from Magness and Marcus called the Science of Running. One of the things they talk about is just what you touched upon. Knowing how your body and mind are feeling and recognizing what is best for you at that time in the overall scheme of your development. I think the toughest thing is allowing yourself to say - hey, I am flat - and this workout wasn't happening today - but that's ok. Instead of, "oh no" something is wrong, or otherwise getting frustrated with disappointing workout performances.

Not sure what "monkey brain" is - btw.

From Drew on Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:47:32 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks for the suggestion, Bret - I will check that podcast out.

I should limit my pre-6AM posting. I was trying to describe the way it's easy to do a freaky monkey banana dance in your head, when things aren't working, instead of taking the long view. That's much clearer, I hope. :)

If not, clarity should return in a day or two. Crazy week here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 7 unpleasant miles, luckily with Quint to distract.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 7 miles in the fog. New shoes!

PM: 6 miles with Quintmeister.

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From Derunzo on Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 17:14:03 from 73.218.33.75

What make & model? New shoes are exciting!

From Drew on Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 17:31:00 from 24.92.19.68

Definitely! I got a couple pairs of discontinued Adidas Tempos, which made me happy because I really like their shoes, but since they started adding Boost material to all their models...less so.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 12 miles. Motivation has been hard to come by this week, and I haven't run hard. No excuses, I guess I just needed to ease off a bit.

One really good thing about being in a running club is that someone always has a race coming up; today I ran with the crew heading to Boston. It's refreshing to stop thinking of your own goals for a bit, and help other people.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 8 miles.

Flew out to LA after work last night. Meant to recapture a sliver of my long-lost self and get into a book, but forgot it in the packing madness. Luckily I love Sudoku.

My brother picked me up in Ontario. I was trying, but I had all the personality of a turnip by that point. Went to Mom's in Arcadia, stayed up another 15 minutes then crashed.

Woke up too early, looked at old pictures and watched the sun come up. When my Mom got up we drank coffee and talked. Ran up Santa Anita into Sierra Madre, one of my favorite places around here. 

Now off to visit Dad in the convalescent hospital, then to my sister's in Glendora. Sounds like a short run with her and my niece may be on the agenda.

PM: 4 mile run into Glendora Canyone with Sis. Only tripped once.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.500.001.500.008.00

AM: 6 miles. Yesterday at my sister's place we played frantic sessions of basketball, soccer, football and capture the flag. From an outside perspective, we must seem like complete fruitcakes, but we kind of revert to our adolescent selves when we're all together, and it's how we bond.

I was way too sore to do my planned track workout this morning. Definitely my best excuse of the week.

I did still go up to the Arcadia High track, and dragged my Mom along to walk while I did 6x400 to shake things out. 83, 82, 81, 78, 75, 76.

Afterwards, we were walking a few laps together, and a guy came up and said hello. He was taking a kid through some football PT drills, casually mentioned: silver medalist 84 olympics in 400 meter hurdles, beat Edwin Moses in 87. His name was Danny Harris. I looked him up when I got back home, interesting guy. He was very nice and laid-back, but also had an definable sense of power surrounding him. As achy as I was feeling, I was half-hoping he would tell me to sprint an 800 all out, because I would have.

PM: 2 miles.

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From Bret on Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 16:50:12 from 99.1.220.106

Cool story Drew.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

AM: 2 quick miles before flight back to Florida.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.500.002.500.0015.00

AM: 6 miles with Richie and Mike G. Good to catch up. Pretty silly, but I have a tweak in my left hamstring from playing with my niece and nephew that is going to limit me this week.

PM: 9 miles. Track was closed down for Spring Break, so I ran on the Pinellas Trail. Kept it light- about a dozen strides between 100-400 meters.

Now that the LA trip is over, I'm ready to initiate Operation Get Ready to Race in 12 Days.

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From Mike on Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 18:51:58 from 65.34.80.35

Best name for an operation ever- well done. A lot of time put into that name. :)

From Drew on Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 06:35:52 from 24.73.66.122

It was that or Operation Take Up Shuffleboard.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 slow, sore miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Taking today off. Went to sports doc yesterday and got treatment on my left hamstring, much stretching and rolling last evening.

This morning it is improved, so I'm going to give it a day or two, and I expect it should be fine. Sometimes in the past I would have run through this, but the last couple runs I've felt like there was some compensation going on in my stride, and that never turns out well.

Comments
From Bret on Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 17:50:44 from 99.1.220.106

Sorry to hear about the injury. Hopefully it will resolve itself quickly with a bit of rest.

From Drew on Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 16:00:40 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret. I was back at it today- a little sore but nothing terrible.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 7 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

AM: 5 miles. Pushed the jogging stroller down to Northshore Park and ran around with the girls.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.002.002.000.0017.00

AM: 17 miles, averaged 6:45. Started with a good group, but after a few miles warmup we started picking it up, and it was just Mike and me for the second half.

Some people are good at taking downtime to recover- I'm not. I'm not a health nut by nature, so when I'm not training with focus, I tend to eat worse and stay up later.

I knew I needed to test my hamstring and shake the dust off this morning, and I think that got done, but it wasn't pretty. The combo of lazy running, a Belgian chocolate pie last night and ascendant humidity made this one a struggle. It was basically a progression run through about mile 13 when we managed two miles at 5:45 then 5:35, then I had to throw in the towel.

Definitely not adapted to the humidity yet. The dew point was 69, which is unpleasant, but at the peak of summer this would be dream weather. After the 5:35 mile, my heart rate was through the roof.

I think Mike knew I needed to take my mind off the suffering, so he spent the next mile describing the role of three-dimensional shapes in Greek philosophy, how they were translated into theories of the elements, and how those theories led Kepler to elliptical planetary orbits. Since the discussion was based on a lesson for his elementary students, I was able to follow about 75% of it in my stupor.

I spent the next few hours at home useless, promising my wife I'd get productive as soon as I could move again.

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From Bret on Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 06:49:26 from 216.234.133.229

Sounds a bit miserable. More like a race effort on the training spectrum -- especially with elevated HR accompanied with stupor and later uselessness. My suggestion would be to concentrate on a few recovery level days - completely aerobic though not too easy. Half effort for 8-10 miles might set you right for a few days. Even a treadmill run indoors to ease into the humidity more gradually. Nothing beats a mindless tm run at a locked in pace with controlled climate, to reset/reboot - at least for me.

From Drew on Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:10:56 from 24.73.66.122

Smart comments as usual, Bret. I did a lot of stretching and rolling and actually felt pretty good today. But yeah - slamming your heading into the wall isn't usually the best way to open a door. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

Skipped the morning and ran 8 at lunch with Quint. Felt surprisingly good.

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From Mike on Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 16:15:26 from 65.34.80.35

Glad it felt good! I really think the progression yesterday helped somehow- I felt nice and loose too. Maybe just the weather was a tad better today. In any event, keep writing!

From Drew on Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:29:33 from 24.92.19.68

Yeah - definitely helped me - thanks again for the pull!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.004.000.0010.00


Lunch: 10 miles. Met up with Quint, Josh and Christina at Northshore Pool. Coach gave us a good plan: 4 mile tempo, commit to a pace, and start accordingly to finish together. Josh started off early since he was looking to run easy. Christina signed up for 6:30 pace, Quint for 6:15, and I was aiming for 5:45. Christina started, Quint one minute later, then 2 minutes later I took off.

The competitive angle on the workout really helped us today. We hooked around the Pier, and although my first mile was 5:42, I saw I had only gained about 10 seconds on Quint!! I managed to catch him at 3.75. Splits were 5:42, 5:38, 5:32, 5:25. Considering we ran this at noon, this was a very good workout for me, the first in awhile.

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From Bret on Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 13:36:38 from 216.234.133.229

Very nice. I remember doing a workout like this in high school. We started on the end of the Dunedin Causeway - and began staggered just as you described. The goal of finishing together at the end on the mainland.

Bet it was on the warm-side at noon today.

From Drew on Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:06:51 from 24.73.66.122

Yeah! It really seemed to work out well for everyone. It was warm, but luckily the humidity rolled back for the day, so it wasn't too bad.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 8 miles with Quint at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 6 miles with Quint and Josh.

Half marathon this Sunday! It is the last race in a local series. You need to run three of four races to place in the series, with your top three times summed up. Also, participation in the last race is mandatory. Top five places win money, which has an interesting effect. The cash is nice but not life-changing, but it does bring a lot more focus and competition to the events.

On the men's side, first place is locked up barring a broken leg. I'm currently in second, but there are four guys close behind me, all of whom are running better than they were at the beginning of the season. That's not so much the case for me. I haven't exactly been slacking, but treading water might even be kind. Thankfully, I haven't worried about my time and pace Sunday - my focus will be on racing well. I expect the race to go out fast. I will need to balance keeping within range of the leaders against not blowing up. It will be a muggy day, and that will play a role too.

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From Bret on Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 19:01:26 from 99.1.220.106

Go get em Drew

From Mike on Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 18:22:03 from 65.34.80.35

Good luck, Drew! May the splits be with you...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles, couple strides.

Race: Florida Beach Halfathon (13.109 Miles) 01:15:02, Place overall: 6, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.0013.000.000.0017.00

Today was the last half-marathon in a series that began in late October. I went into the race a bit flat today, and not as focused as usual, but I was motivated to run hard in order to maintain my place in the series standings.

I've been guilty of some long race reports, so I'm going to keep this one under control. Also, it would be easy to make this into a complainfest.

I'm actually very satisfied with my time, despite running 1:30 faster three months ago. Although the temperature was not bad (low-70s), the dewpoint was also pegged at 70 degrees, which is not fun for racing.

As expected, the race went out fast, and I ran my first 3 miles faster than I ever have in a half in order to stay within reach of my guys. Hard to say if this was a mistake or not. After the first miles, I slowed, almost metronomically, for the next 4 miles or so, until I cratered in the low 5:50s.

Luckily for me, a similar scenario was playing out for everyone else as well. This race has long straightaways and it's easy to see where your competition is, so I knew I was about a minute behind the guy most likely to pass me in the standings.

In the last 5k I was able to gather myself for the final push. I finished plenty back, but held my spot in the standings by 13 seconds. Perhaps a hollow victory, since I finished well behind 3rd and 4th in the series, but I'll take it.

If this sounds  a bit negative, I wish it didn't- I was very happy with my time and focus. It was simply the experience of running this race that was deeply unpleasant. Probably in a couple days I'll be talking up how awesome it was.

Splits:

  1. 5:29
  2. 5:35
  3. 5:34
  4. 5:39
  5. 5:44
  6. 5:49
  7. 5:53
  8. 5:48
  9. 5:50
  10. 5:56
  11. 5:44
  12. 5:46
  13. 5:38

.1 ~5:25 pace

 

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From Rob Murphy on Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 13:30:53 from 24.10.247.181

1:15 is only good for 6th? That race has taken a jump in quality this year.

Nice race report and I'm sure you'll home to see this as a good effort. It's so hard to race longer than a 5k in Florida when the heat and humidity start to climb.

From Jason D on Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 16:06:01 from 68.80.27.222

Good race, Drew. Mind of the runner at the end of the report there. I sometimes finish a workout or a race and think "well, that was just okay." But when I get a little distance I realize it was better than I thought. Given the heat and dew point you really weren't that far from December. That's racing in Florida I guess.

From Bret on Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 07:01:44 from 216.234.133.229

Nice job Drew. The racing conditions in Florida are hard to cope with both mentally and physically. In my experience, I actually "feel" worse mentally at the end of a race or workout in heat and humidity, and thus feel more negatively about the overall performance than I should. Seems like you held your own, and ran a relatively solid time (for you, ~ outstanding time compared to most runners). Give it a little time - and I think you will be more pleased with it than you are presently.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles.

All haggling about supplements aside, if Salazar really wants to understand why Americans are losing to Kenyan runners, he should revist that classic American sports documentary, Rocky 4. Except we're Drago.

Based on his Twitter feed, Ryan Hall seems to be in the loop, although the fatal misstep in his LA buildup was taking his cues from Rocky 5.

Really, when you trim the schlock back from those six movies, what's left is the searing masterstroke How Awesome is Mr T?

 

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From Mike on Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 19:47:41 from 65.34.80.35

This made me laugh. I could re-watch those. Drago always scared me though...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.004.000.0016.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 10 miles at track. I was able to run pretty hard tonight, which is not the norm two days after a half marathon, obviously. The race was draining, but didn't beat my legs up too badly.

The workout for tonight: 4 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 2 SETS WITH 400 REST BETWEEN SETS

Mike and I decided to start at 2:40 and work into the sets. It was a drag in the heat but we worked through it and walked away pretty happy.

First set: 2:40, 2:37, 2:36, 2:30
Second set: 2:36, 2:34, 2:32, 2:30

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From Derunzo on Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 14:22:01 from 73.218.33.75

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPNQ82Sq4E

From Drew on Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 18:00:35 from 24.92.19.68

Haha nice! Clubber Lang quotes don't get much better than that!

I'd love to say that on the starting line of a race.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

I was tired this afternoon at work, when my client requested a new application/report, to tell them what was about to happen with the massive processing application we've spent months developing runs on their files.

I was trying to explain that reporting on that ahead of the application running was tantamount to executing the same functionality on the same data set.

I failed.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off.

I'm feeling hopeful I can lower my 5k PR in a couple weeks at a local track invite, but I need a tuneup to make that happen. I'm going to jump into a local 5k tomorrow night to get into gear. It's non-certified, and widely described as noticeably short, so time is irrelevant. I do want to run as close to 5:00/mile as possible to see how I hold up.

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From Bret on Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:48:06 from 216.234.133.229

What race are you running?

From Drew on Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 15:08:39 from 24.92.19.68

It's the St. Pete Grand Prix - run on the IndyCar course. Never done it before...heading out now, should be interesting. :)

Race: Firestone Grand Prix 5k (3.04 Miles) 00:15:28, Place overall: 1, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.003.000.0012.00

AM: 3 miles, couple strides.

PM: 9 miles.

Fun local race last night. It rained lightly until about 15 minutes before race start. This plus the cloudy skies made for better conditions than we've had in weeks.

After months of battling injury, a teammate and great runner - Sean Gallagher - made it out last night. He is not near peak fitness, but he still took the race out fast with a couple high school kids and other ambitious types trailing in a phalanx behind. He's one of those guys who will go out hard no matter what, and it's pretty awesome.

I wasn't sure what to expect from most of those runners, but one guy I knew was serious was Mike, who was hanging a bit back with me. After about a third of a mile we moved up to the front and starting setting the pace. One of the kids came with us, and lasted until about mile 1.25.

This event is a precursor to an IndyCar race held annually in downtown St. Petersburg. The 5k winds through the narrow canyons of walls built up to contain the cars. I ran steady and tried to slowly lower the pace. Mike remained with me until shortly after the 2 mile mark, when I was able to open a small gap. With him close behind, I was motivated to keep moving - knowing that if we were close at all near the finish line he would crush me.

Sadly, reports of the short course proved true. It measured between 3.04-3.06 from the informal survey I took. We estimated it took 20-30 seconds off an actual 5k time.

I was very happy with this race. I wanted a test run before the track race in two weeks, and I was hoping I had some 5k fitness. Everything came off well, and I think I have a shot at running 15:4x on the track.

One impressive constrast that really stood out was how far Mike has come in a year. We raced a 5k for the first time almost a year ago. In that span he has gone from a guy in the upper 17s to hovering close to the 16 minute barrier. At this time next year, I'll be chasing him.

Splits:

  1. 5:09
  2. 5:06
  3. 5:02

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From Bret on Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 19:05:59 from 99.1.220.106

Well done Drew! Did they wave the checkered flag when you won?

From Drew on Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 12:55:09 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret - sadly no flag, just a few golf claps.

Of course, I still did my usual post-race ritual of pointing at the sky, dropping for a set of pushups then kissing the ground, and my biceps.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 17:12:02 from 104.51.208.13

Nice work Drew. Weird, I have the same post-race ritual, but I incorporate it into every training run too, and add some screaming.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 7 miles with the family pushing the jogging stroller.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 17 miles. My wife got the morning long run slot, so I ran later with Quint around Tierra Verde. Felt good, averaged 7:12.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 6 miles.

PM: 5 miles with Quint.

Looks like a rocking race at Carlsbad yesterday. Masters winner in 14:58, almost 25 seconds on 2nd place.

My cousin was 10th in 16:16. He wasn't completed satisified, but I think that's an awesome time at 45. I'd probably say the same thing. I guess we're related.

While on the family brag topic, my sister was 2nd female in an LA trail marathon yesterday. Unfortunately, I can't figure out the name of the race (worst brother ever).

Very proud of both of them.

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From Mike on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 08:59:13 from 65.34.80.35

That is crazy! To say it runs in the family is an understatement. Congrats to them both!

From Mike on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 09:00:19 from 65.34.80.35

Also, PS, looks like you better run that race next year and see what you can do!

From Drew on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 18:36:22 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Mike. :) Hope track went well tonight. Sorry I couldn't show. See post above for fail details.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 2 miles.

A cursed day. My wife got stuck early, meeting a running friend, when her car battery died. I was late to work.

At the office, I picked a fight with the network team that was unpleasant but needed. Meanwhile, we're putting an offer in on a house we can barely afford. I am trying to manage contractors making our house (hopefully) saleable. I feel both stressed and remote.

Out of work late. An accident on the bridge heading into St. Pete brought traffic to a crawl, so I had to bail on the plan of mile repeats with Lee and Mike.

Time to go to sleep.

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From Mike on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 18:57:19 from 65.34.80.35

We missed you there! Sorry to hear about those stressors. Good news is that the day is over, and tomorrow is indeed a new day. Wake up early and get those frustrations out on your run. Or go and fight crime. That works too. But it will mean some pretty late nights... And spandex.

From Bret on Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 23:47:53 from 202.45.10.20

Sorry about the rough day Drew.

There was a story in the local paper here in India about a guy doing a test run 10k for military service who ran 33 mins. He is from some remote village. The papers said this was close to the India national record. So ... you could be a national phenom if you relocated here with your 10k PR.

From Derunzo on Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 17:13:34 from 73.218.33.75

I pity the fool!

From Drew on Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 17:58:28 from 24.92.19.68

Mike - some people can swing spandex, but I'm not one of them. I tried doing extra reps on the swing set in 5th grade, when I realized I was a stick, but it didn't make a difference.

Bret - thanks for the positivity. It made my day better.

D RUN Z - Nice. I will counter with:

"This country want to keep me down. Keep everybody weak. They don't want me to have the title because I'm not a puppet like that fool up there."

If that isn't life-affirming, I don't know what is...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: Spinning on the treadmill of life, sadly no actual running.

PM: 7 miles a lunch with Quint and Jim.  I entertained the idea of a workout to make up for yesterday, but it was enough to be out there.

When I got back to my car to change into my work clothes, I had messages from my wife and realtor that that our offer was accepted. I'm sure in six months this will be a good thing.

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From jtshad on Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 08:59:19 from 141.221.191.225

Congrats on the offer (I hope!). Good luck with the house transition and hope your's sells quickly.

Hope the stress is done at work.

From Drew on Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 15:05:24 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks for the good words, Jeff. Yep, looking up!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: Chores.

PM: Zero. Quint drove to Tampa to run at lunch. 15 minutes before he showed up, a client called with their environment in flames. I had to bail on him - he went out and ran solo.

A normal person would be at least a little irritated about this. Instead, he offered to help me move boxes into storage on Saturday.  I'm lucky to have a friend like that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 14 miles. Christina is a couple weeks out from Boston, so she tried to pull together a group for a long run, since most are occupied this Sunday. It ended up being her, Mike and myself.

I'm not sure how much it helped from a marathon standpoint, but having a couple good friends to blow off steam with definitely helped me.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 4 miles. Full day of decluttering and yardwork. Quint brought one of his delivery trucks and helped me move stuff into a Public Storage unit. When we got there, the manager was out for lunch. We both were wearing old running clothes, so we got 4 miles in. It was that or a whole lot of rock-paper-scissors.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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18 miles, ~7:15 pace.

My family went to Jacksonville for Easter to see my wife's parents. Normally, they invite me along on these outings, but this weekend I was frantically packing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles.

Usually, when Opening Day rolls around, I'm pretty stoked to see the Rays in action. Last year, David Price & Co dismantled the Yankees for the season opener. Everything seemed to go their way- perfectly positioned shifts, some actual offense, Sabathia was sweating...

It was tough watching the season unravel, as almost every player went on to underperform. I was hoping Price would finish the year with the Rays in the postseason before being traded, but that was not to be.

Then, in the offseason, seeing the departure of the Rays excellent GM and manager combo was bad. More trades came- Zobrist (one of the most valuable players in baseball), Myers (his talent remains to be seen, but we did give up James Shields for him), Joyce, SRod, Hellickson (another former Rookie of the Year).

Even with that, I had been nuturing hope in the face of the faded AL East. Then 3/5 of the starting rotation hit the DL during Spring Training.

The great thing about this time of year in baseball is that all the stat lines are zero, all the teams are tied, and unless you are settings lines in Vegas, any fan can imagine their team in the World Series.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.001.000.006.00

PM: 6 miles at track. We settled on 8 x 800s broken into two sets. It was a real struggle. I tried to keep within a few paces of Mike, but couldn't help pull the pace at all.

First set was: 2:38, 2:40, 2:34, 2:31. Jogged a quarter, tried to get going, then pulled off the track and walked 200. Jumped back in on the 6th repeat, ran 2:45, and quit the workout for good.

With everything that's gone on in the last week, there's no big mystery why my running is off. Looking forward to running better, next time hopefully.

Comments
From Bret on Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 09:20:26 from 166.137.240.52

Good to keep it in perspective Drew - blown workouts don't necessarily mean lack of fitness. Plus you did run a good set of 4 reps. Maybe that's all your body needed.

From Mike on Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 21:44:19 from 65.34.80.35

I agree with Bret's assessment- and also not to mention the 1,000 other things going on with the house et. al.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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PM: 7 miles of slogging at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Another zero day. I planned to run during lunch, but work obstacles cropped up for both Quint and myself, and a co-worker ordered a 28" pizza. He was very excited about the place - supposedly the most authentic NYC pizza in Tampa, even shipping in the water for their dough.

So basically, I sat on a pointless conference call, holding the phone away from my mouth, while I shoveled in greasy, overrated pizza, instead of running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 10 miles. Woke up very early and got the run out of the way. The inspections on the new house are happening today, and a meeting about our new, shiny mortgage is this afternoon. Somehow I'm working today too.

Lots of thoughts rolling around this morning on the run. I'm uncomfortable with the  house purchase. It will be nice when we're settled in, no doubt. But it's big, and expensive, and I am very much a less-is-more type of guy.

I don't own nice things. I drive a 2004 Civic without power locks. I don't like shopping. It's not that I'm some ascetic purist - I just don't have any interest.

With the house though, I'm pulled in by the thought of a haven for my family, particularly my daughters. My current situation is not ghetto, but it's not a place where I'm comfortable with them being outside, or someday riding bikes, without supervision. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

I've been working hard on all the moving parts involved in that transaction for the past month, and running has taken a back seat. I'm OK with that, but I'm also conflicted there. There is a local track meet tomorrow night I can't even decide on.

Behind all of this, moving is a clean slate, and I have been feeling for months, if not years now, that I need a fresh start. I think I'm a solid B student in the game of life right now- as a father, husband, employee, runner, friend. Sadly, as a son and brother, I probably score even lower. The point is, I've been comfortable with doing pretty well, but I think there is a lot I could do better, if I can find my way to it. That gets into motivation and focus, which is another thing I want to think and write about, but this is already long enough.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

PM: 2 miles.

Busy day, almost didn't run. But when I finally got the girls down I got in 2, just to avoid the zero.

On the positive side, I worked the yard, fixed things inside, dropped off junk at the storage space, went to Home Depot, Bed/Bath/Satan, replaced the dishwasher, etc....

I didn't magically appear at the track meet tonight and knock out 5000 meters. Not even close.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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No running today, but very productive, with plenty of lifting and schlepping. Getting there.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 5 miles.

PM: 6 miles. 400s with descending rest at track. Not exactly a real workout, but I am just trying to regain my footing. Mike knocked out a real workout. Lee and I lollygagged behind, "discussing" politics.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 2 miles.

Not a good day, but that was no surprise. Early to work, and shuttling between multiple clients in Tampa. Tomorrow will be similar, hopefully a bit better in the AM though.

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From Mike on Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 06:27:48 from 168.213.7.118

I hope Thursday is going smoother!

From Drew on Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 16:47:54 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Mike, it was!

Kind of a milestone today - our realtor's company put signposts in our yard (good), but no sign (odd). I have seen this before, so I'm sure there's some logic behind that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint, our last run before he heads to Boston.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

AM: 7 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

AM: 6 miles with the girls to Northshore Park.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 14 miles.

Small crew with a lot of people out of town for Boston this weekend.

Then a cleaning frenzy leading up to 1pm, when we had to vacate for an open house on our property. Hours of cleaning and strangers roaming through your house, what's not to like?

My cousin called while we were out. 16:00.45 5k on the track this weekend, and he just turned 46.  Gotta keep up with that.

We took our daughters to an indoor playground where they had coffee and lounge chairs for the parents. I almost fell asleep.

My younger daughter asked my older daughter what her favorite thing was today, and she said "being with my family". I guess we're doing some things right.

First thunderstorm with rain this evening.

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From Bret on Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 08:31:09 from 216.234.133.229

Sounds like a great day.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 6 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 5 miles, gentle progression run.

School event tonight =  no track. Maybe a lunch run?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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PM: 4 miles with Richie, good to hear his Boston tale.

Comments
From Bret on Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 17:01:03 from 107.77.68.116

Had a couple great conversations with him. Very cool experience for him and for Mike.

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0. Running vacation continues unabated.

Back to school on Monday.

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AM: 6 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 15 miles with Lee. Since St. Anthony's Triathlon will be occupying downtown St. Pete tomorrow, moved this one up by a day.

Got to catch up with the Boston Marathon crew last night. Somehow that ended in a jam session at Bryan's house that I didn't escape until about 2AM. I noticed two things: (a) running 15 miles on 3 hours of sleep isn't much fun, and (b) I can no longer play the guitar.

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 18:52:13 from 99.1.220.106

Were your guitar playing skills hampered by the 3 hours of sleep and 15 miles of running; or have you just lost that skill?

From Drew on Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 20:07:43 from 24.92.19.68

Hey Bret - the guitar jam was prior to the short night's sleep and the run.

So I'm short on excuses. It's been about 10 years since I practiced regularly, and drinking several beers on a 125 lb frame is enough to guarantee mediocrity and worse in my case.

I'm trying to get motivated for a fall marathon, and this was a somewhat off-topic reminder. I used to practice guitar for hours a day, and at my best I was passable. I've had a lot of hobbies like that - I was totally drawn in, but mediocre despite my best efforts. I think I have a bit more natural inclination with running. Not enough to make it the purpose of my life, or anything. But more than any other hobby. I am trying to sort out how important that actually is. I don't care all that much about the final results, but I do need the journey toward the goal. Or more accurately, when I'm unsuccessful, I care, but when I do succeed, I'm instantly on to the next thing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: Pushed the jogging stroller down to the Forerunners aid station on the St. Anthony's course. The 10k section of the triathlon goes back into a beautiful, shady neighborhood, with lot of spectators and a 4th-of-July-in-April kind of feeling.

The girls didn't hand out water, but they did enjoy picking up discarded cups. A lot of parents and kids from our running group- great atmosphere.

I had a few minutes to catch up with Joe. He was 3rd in his age group at Boston, first American. We made a soft agreement to run Twin Cities this fall, but haven't signed the blood oath yet.

Comments
From Bret on Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:01:31 from 216.234.133.229

That's really a great event in St. Pete. There was a time when I attempted to do tri's. That one was always top shelf - both in competition and organization. One year, Richie roped me into doing just the swim leg on a relay team...with about 1 week's notice...Let's just say, he did the run leg much better than I did the swim.

From Drew on Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 07:06:15 from 24.92.19.68

Ha! That sounds fun. I was just support crew this time, but the previous two years I was in a relay doing the run leg. Richie was also on a team, and I'm sure you can imagine the smack talk that was going around.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 miles.

PM: 5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Day One!

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AM: 6 miles.

PM: 10 miles at track. For the workout, 8x600 with 200 rest. Ran with Lee. Not fast, but a decent effort. Averaged ~2:03.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 6 miles.

After some waffling, I've decided to run TCM this fall. The waffling was mostly because if I did decide to go, I wanted to go all in.

There are so many outs from training with 100% focus. No doubt a lot of it is psychological. I've put together blocks of good months here and there, but I don't feel like I've ever fully committed myself.

I'm in my prime years as a Masters runner. If I do care about running well (which I do), now is the time to go after it.

Comments
From Derunzo on Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 05:08:43 from 173.9.52.242

You're gonna eat lightnin' and you're gonna crap thunder! - Mickey Goldmill

(ROCKY)

From Bret on Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 07:25:11 from 216.234.133.229

Boom. All in.

From jtshad on Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 07:52:26 from 141.221.191.225

Cool, good race. Fun event as an elite Master's runner. Good luck with the training.

From Jason D on Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:48:44 from 68.80.27.222

There's plenty of time too (as you know). You got some good racing in early this spring, you got a little break with everything going on, and still a solid 5 months until race day.

From Drew on Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 14:23:11 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks for the encouragement guys.

I hope you will be as quick to call me out if I slack off. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint and Josh.

Great night for Tampa Bay sports last evening, with the Lightning advancing to Round 2 in Game 7. And the Rays beating the Yankees in extra innings, with A-Rod grounding into a double play to end the game was nice too.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.004.000.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles, with 4 @ 5:54 avg pace

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

My company announced a "Wellness Benefit" yesterday. Quarterly, you can expense iPhone workout apps, gym memberships, personal trainer fees, exercise videos and CrossFit.

You cannot expense running shoes.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 5 miles with the girls to Northshore Park for some tree climbing. Then another 9 solo to meet up for a picnic lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.000.000.000.0023.00

AM: 23 miles. 8 solo, then 8 with Steve Wilcox. Ended up at home, picked up the family and ran 7 more with the jogging stroller.

Goal for the week is a lot of miles, and keeping them slow. So far so good!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Due to the unrest in Baltimore, the Orioles moved their games against the Rays this weekend to St. Pete. All tickets were $15, general admission. I took my older daughter, and me made it to the seventh inning stretch - a new record for us.

My training partner, Lee, won a 5k on Sunday. Although my understanding on this point is imperfect, there is apparently some confederation of American nudist resorts, which conduct 5ks, and the Central Florida Bare-to-Dare 5k is considered the championships. So congrats to Lee-male nude 5k champion for 2015!

We close on our new house in 3.5 weeks. Not a single viewing request on our current home yet.

Unseasonably cool weather over the last five days. Won't see this again for five months.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.003.000.000.0020.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 10 miles, light track workout. Not too humid, thankfully.

1 X 1 MILE, 400 REST, 1 X 1200, 400 REST, 800 WITH 200 REST 800

Splits: 5:55, 4:27, 2:55, 2:55.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.000.000.000.0019.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 9 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
21.000.000.000.0021.00

AM: 12 miles of running back and forth over the newly renovated Pinellas Bayway bridge. Yes, I am jealous of people who live in geographical regions containing changes in elevation.

PM: 9 miles at lunch with Quint and Josh. Feeling goofy.

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From Jason D on Thu, May 07, 2015 at 07:33:56 from 68.80.27.222

My neighborhood isn't as hilly as some places in the US, but it is much hillier than Indiana where I started running (though it too has hills if you look for them). At first it drove me crazy, but now I like the hills. I have a good sized one coming back from the tempo loop.

That said I wish I did have some flat, longer loops for recovery. I split the difference running a lot on hard-packed dirt.

From Drew on Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:01:54 from 24.92.19.68

I hear you, Jason. I never thought of that, but having a lot of hills does make things hard when all you want to do is recover.

From Jon on Thu, May 07, 2015 at 21:02:10 from 107.203.52.135

100 miles by Thursday. Wow.

From Drew on Fri, May 08, 2015 at 07:05:06 from 24.73.66.122

Jon - big week, but kind of an anomaly. Hopefully in a month or so I can translate some of the miles into faster running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 11 miles - 3 warmup, then light fartlek the rest of the way.

PM:  9 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 10 miles. My wife gets first shift on Saturday, so while she was out running my girls and I turned out the lights and danced in our underwear. Even though I got to start my run around 8, it was already pretty unpleasant out. For most of the run I wished I was back inside boogeying down.

PM: 4 miles, off to Tampa for work-related dinner. My wife and I get a date out of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.000.000.000.0023.00

Great day, except the running part. My long suffering wife got to sleep in, and we made bacon, eggs and cinnamon rolls. 5 mile family run, then I headed back out a little after 10 to get the rest in. Quint met me midway through the run, and we got it done, but between the heat and excessive bacon consumption I was massively dehyrdated. The rest of the day was good though - headed into Tampa and relaxed with my wife's sister's family.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 mile slog.

PM: 12 miles. Client meeting on the east side of the Clearwater Causeway got done in a hurry, so I had plenty of time for running at lunch. Met Quint a couple miles in and we ran west on the Causeway to just pass the hump. As we ran up the small pedestrian bridge, we saw a few dolphins swimming by. Different route, that really helped.

Comments
From Bret on Tue, May 12, 2015 at 08:21:07 from 216.234.133.229

Lots o' mileage in a day. Making up from the bacon and cinnamon buns, I take it. :)

From Drew on Tue, May 12, 2015 at 09:10:32 from 24.92.19.68

Trying! But I'm finding that burning off those extra round edges around the waist is really, really hard...

From Rob Murphy on Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:53:20 from 163.248.33.220

Are your clients Scientologists?

From Drew on Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:10:10 from 24.92.19.68

Nothing that interesting. This client has built most of their business around aggregating health care claims and enrollments for the Texas public school system and feeding them to Aetna.

If I ever feel the calling to Scientology, it will be pretty convenient between their HQ in Clearwater, and of course the SoCal main base where most of my family lives.

That's unlikely though. Tom Cruise never answered my letters I sent in 6th grade asking if he needed a new co-pilot after Goose died...and I'm still holding the grudge.

From Rob Murphy on Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:14:14 from 163.248.33.220

He resurrected himself as Dr. Mark Green on ER though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.001.000.0018.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 8 miles. Track didn't play out quite as planned. Workout was 400s, which I was planning to do a bit sub-MP. At the start of warmup, we could see a dark patch in the distance, otherwise clear and blazing sun. Within 45 minutes we had blackend sky and lightning strikes nearby. A few of us waited awhile, but it was only getting worse.

I got in 3 400s. On the block of classrooms next to the track, I got in two more miles running up to the second floor, along a short corridor and back down. It took about 20 of those to get a mile.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 10 miles. Lunch meeting broke up the normal slot. Squeezed running in after work, 2 with Elise on her bike. Hopefully we can make that happen more.

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AM: 10 miles back and forth on the Pinellas Bayway bridge. Better pace than last week, but still pretty relaxed. The alarm clock this morning felt like a rock through my window.

PM: 10 miles.

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From jtshad on Thu, May 14, 2015 at 07:57:03 from 141.221.191.225

Another amazing week of running. Keep up the good work.

Hope you get some looks/offers on the house soon.

From Drew on Thu, May 14, 2015 at 15:42:14 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Jeff, that's very kind of you all around.

Not a lot of news on the house front, but I'm taking the week off worrying.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 miles, with 4 mile MP tempo at 5:52 avg (5:55, 5:53, 5:53, 5:46). I'm targeting 5:55 as marathon pace at the moment. As training gets more specific, I may tweak that a bit in either direction.

PM: 10 miles at lunch, Clearwater Causeway, over the hump and back again.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 13 miles, 6 w/ the girls to the park, 7 solo. Elise ran .5 with me of her own choosing, which was cool.

PM: 4 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 20 miles, with 1 at 5:56 randomly tossed in. Overslept, so I intercepted the group a mile in. Averaged 7:13.

We faced a deadly dilemma for a family of two girls aged 3 & 6. My wife's friend gave her 2 tickets (Adult/Child) to Disney: Frozen on Ice for today. So only one girl can go. We decided it would be Elise, because primogeniture. Actually, it was even more pragmatic- Anna won't remember it, and her attention span, even for some Frozen boondoggle, is questionable. We have an Open House this afternoon, so Anna and I have to be out. I think we're going to a kiddie movie, where maybe I can grab a nap.

PM: 4 miles. I erred in theater selection and our movie was not playing, but the afternoon was better for it. We ate ice cream and hung out on a playground, having fun/killing time. Short run before throwing together dinner.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 12 miles. I didn't  do any hard running last week, but there were enough medium efforts coupled with my highest mileage week ever that some background aches have moved into the foreground. As usual, it's the left hamstring/glute/hip that becomes a problem when I overdo it.

I'm going to be more disciplined this week about keeping the effort light while trying to maintain good mileage.

PM: 8 miles with Quint, cracked 8:00 pace for the first time today on 2nd to last mile.

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From Bret on Mon, May 18, 2015 at 07:02:04 from 216.234.133.229

Huge volume last week Drew. Impressive. Hope those aches fade with a little lighter load.

From Drew on Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:01:00 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Bret. For myself, I've noticed that a hard workout alone will not hurt me, or high mileage...where I get into trouble is when I run hard without enough rest time between those efforts. And when the mileage is high, the equation changes to even medium efforts requiring sufficient spacing.

It's simple to know, but hard to be disciplined about, and I seem to need to relearn this lesson over and over.

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AM: 10 slow miles.

PM: 9 miles at track. One thing that has always interested me is how the conscious mind can broadcast a message like "Well, I'll go to track, but it will just be to see my friends and get my miles in." Then you find yourself there, in flats, and well- the high school kids are back with the club now that school is out and the hamstring is feeling pretty good...

It's like there's a shadow mind calling its own shots, but in this case at least it's only requesting intervals.

It also brought to mind an article I read years ago in Running Times by Pete Magill that really cracks me up. I did a quick search and didn't find it, but the gist of the article (almost read like something from The Onion) was that rather than take it easy by default when injured, you should do a workout. The article went on to enumerate certain types of workouts for specific injuries.

It doesn't make me laugh because it's ridiculous to me - I think there's some truth to it - it's just the compulsive mindset that I find funny, and that I can relate to.

Anyway, with that preamble out of the way, here was tonight's workout:

1200, 800, 400, 200, EACH WITH 200 REST, 2 SETS WITH 400 REST BETWEEN     THE SETS

Splits:

  1. 4:01, 2:34, 1:15, :32
  2. 4:01, 2:38, 1:14, :32

Compared to winter splits, those look lackluster, but the effort level was at least moderately hard for the heat/humidity.

 

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AM: 10 miles.

PM: 10 miles after work with Quint.  Also Richie, who showed us a small squirrel cemetery on the edge of USF St. Pete.

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From Jason D on Thu, May 21, 2015 at 18:30:53 from 166.137.244.17

Are the squirrels the buriers or are the humans? I love cemeteries. Running in them. Holy Sepluchre here is beautiful. Lots of rich Catholics in the area. I tried running there but unlike small town Indiana is that a lot of people die!

Looks like another big week.

From Drew on Fri, May 22, 2015 at 05:25:57 from 24.92.19.68

A whole lot of squirrels around here. On the side of a school building, the groundskeepers bury the roadkill they find. It's kind of sweet - tiny crosses with names and inscriptions. An interesting local oddity, but it's no Pere Lachaise.

From Rob Murphy on Fri, May 22, 2015 at 06:02:20 from 24.10.247.181

It's good that someone speaks for the squirrels. Without a witness, they just fade away and their lives count for nothing.

From Drew on Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:42:44 from 24.73.66.122

I hear you. All those squirrels do all day is scamper around and dig for peanuts. What kind of life is that?!

From Bret on Sat, May 23, 2015 at 11:47:16 from 77.221.165.98

Richie showed me that burial ground as well - at USF in St. Pete, right?

From Bret on Sat, May 23, 2015 at 11:49:01 from 77.221.165.98

In an unrelated event, part of our sightseeing in Edinburgh today was in an old cemetery at Calton Hill. I like to read the headstones.

From Drew on Sat, May 23, 2015 at 13:13:16 from 24.92.19.68

Yep, that's it Bret.

Sounds awesome on your end. Enjoy!

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AM: 10 miles, bridge repeats, medium effort.

PM: 7 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 miles, couple strides.

PM: 13 miles at "lunch", most of it with Quint. When I got back to my car, there was a yellow triangle on my phone with a message letting me know it was ready to detonate unless I got it cooler in there.

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AM: 13 miles. 5 with the girls to the park, then 8 solo.

PM: 4 miles.

Final packing of the house this weekend for the move next Saturday.

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AM: 24 miles, 6:50 average. Good run overall today, although Richie and I got into it about halfway through, and that cast a shadow.

Richie and Mike G. sometimes meet our Sunday group about 10 miles in. They're both strong runners, so their presence always helps. I told Richie this morning that I was training seriously for TCM, and he renewed his recommendation that I begin receiving online coaching from a friend of his, who runs a prominent American development program based on Canova workouts.

I like Richie very, very much, probably more than he likes me. Our relationship has never been terribly easy though. He bills himself as a New Yorker, and he is loud, brassy and domineering. Underneath that exterior though, is a sensitive guy who needs a very delicate balance of factors to feel validated. This isn't an ideal match for me. I rarely raise my voice, and am generally cordial- but my cool reserve goes deep, and when I argue with people I don't feel anything. It's easy for me to insult people. Not intentionally, and I've gotten better with age, but I have some disconnects.

What really enraged him today is that I told him I didn't need coaching. I know that sounds arrogant, it probably is. I'm not deluded though. Meb is a couple years younger than me, and can run a marathon 30 minutes faster. I wasn't trying to say I am a great runner. I was trying to say I know the path I need to walk.

Like many debates, be they politics, religion, or even running, one conversation often covers another. I tried pointing out to Richie, as he grew increasingly agitated, that we were really debating whether magic workouts exist. For Richie, they absolutely do. He attributes much of his success at Boston to "special blocks", in which you do a hard workout in the morning and another that evening. The theory being that your body is low on fuel reserves, and ..... (fill in scientific mumbo jumbo here) .... and adaptations occur. In seriousness though, I am sure that workout is great for Canova's Kenyan elites, but for a 41 year old father and full-time employee, I feel strongly that the risk of that approach is greater than the reward. As I've mentioned recently, I get injured most when stacking quality too close together, and the higher the mileage, the more caution is needed.

We do have a fundamental disagreement. I don't think there are gatekeepers, or keys, or special workouts. It's not so much that I have the answer- I don't think there's a real question. I think running a good marathon requires a boring, plodding base phase. Then at some point, a few months out, you transition to specific sessions - steady-state runs a bit above and below race pace, wave tempos - most of the things Canova advocates, actually.

And if there is one secret weapon to running, it is consistency. Richie says I'm a narrow minded computer programmer, and X+Y doesn't always = Z. Amusingly, my wife says the same thing. I am narrow minded, and pattern driven. But I still think I'm right. I have to feel that part of Richie's attraction to special workouts can be attributed to his aversion to structured training, which is an extension of his free spirit. His free spirit is one of the things that makes him special. I do think you need to run every day, though, if you want to maximize your potential.

I thought it was an interesting discussion, but Richie was out of sorts. I told him I'd keep tickling him until he got over his mood. Being from California, it's OK for me to do things like that.

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From Rob Murphy on Sun, May 24, 2015 at 09:06:20 from 24.10.247.181

Wow! Can't comment on everything here but I will say I mostly agree with you on the concept of "magic workouts". Solid consistency over months and years is the only thing that really matters in race performance.

Individual workouts and blocks of workouts can be very valuable in terms of your mental prep for a race though.

From jtshad on Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:28:42 from 69.20.183.178

I agree with Rob. What an interesting opportunity to have such discussions with a running partner.

As a guy in the same boat, I also think that running is 'part of your life', not the only thing. As such, love of the sport and consistency in your training as you advocate is what keeps us middle aged working dad's going, even somewhat competitively. We don't have the luxury of devoting ourselves to a training regiment that some of those programs require.

Good luck with the summer training for TCM.

From Jason D on Sun, May 24, 2015 at 16:31:14 from 75.48.209.157

Fantastic thoughts. I'm a hippy dippy humanities guy, but I also look at patterns (patterns of thought, behavior, and so on). I can also tell you about many patterns of people on the blog.

I'm not a structured person but my running is pretty straightforward and I think consistency is absolutely crucial to maintain as much as a number of factors can pull a person away from being consistent. I'm neither super structure not necessary consistent except for my running. Probably a good lesson there!

Doing workouts without at least one rest day in between seems crazy to me (except for high level elites as you mention). Most of the time it's 2 days. But my schedule has luxuries.

I think structured training that isn't rigid (meaning going according to plan no matter what) is best but maybe that's obvious.

From Bret on Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:57:38 from 216.234.133.229

Sorry I missed this discussion Drew! As you know, I have spent many a mile running with Richie. If nothing else, his energy and ability to engage in conversation makes the training runs go quickly and generally very entertaining. And he is a great friend and the essence of what I would deem to be all of the qualities of a great runner. But you are also a great runner. Both of you are very different personalities The two of you have different approaches to racing and training. But both of you get results.

I did some of the workouts Richie was talking about last fall when he convinced me to run NYC with him. For what it is worth - the special blocks were not exactly super hard double workouts in one day - but instead two very good quality workouts in the same day. I conceptually understood the theory behind them - and they do make sense. Not sure that his coach or Canova necessarily think they are a "magic workout" either.

In the end, I think Richie has found something that works for him and you have experience with what works for you in your training. I think he was trying to help you, which is not surprising, because that what Richie does...However, not everyone is going to be the same.

From Drew on Tue, May 26, 2015 at 18:08:42 from 24.92.19.68

Bret, you have clear eyes and a level head, and there's a lot I could stand to learn from you.

Reading back over my entry, I'd express myself differently, but then again my goal is to write honestly and off-the-cuff.

To your point, there are absolutely multiple paths that produce results. I have to laugh at myself for coming off as Mr. Structure. I do have that tendency at times, but to Jason's point I am often a jumble in my life *and* in my training. I mean, jeez-I was an English/Philosophy major that stumbled into IT when a monkey could get paid for banging on a keyboard in 1997. Not exactly Dr. Spock.

Fundamentally, Richie and I want each other to succeed, even if we aren't a model of diplomacy in the way we interact at times.

From Jason D on Tue, May 26, 2015 at 18:44:14 from 166.137.90.79

I thought after reading some of your posts I could smell another English/Philosophy major. Your work lead me to believe I was wrong though.

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AM: 6 miles solo, then 6 to the park with the family.

PM: 9 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 10 miles. We're closing on our house today. I have some nerves, but big picture it will be a great place for our girls to grow up. Yesterday, I found an old DVD of the Smurfs while boxing things up. In the evening, we watched the episode about the Smurf zombie apocalypse. One of the Smurfs gets bitten by a purple bug that turns him into a snarling, hopping rabid Smurf with the sole thought of biting another Smurf's tail (thereby transmitting the plague). We laughed about it, but at bedtime Anna was terrified, and for the first time in ages went to sleep in our bed. There was also a theatrical lightning storm outside.

PM: 10 miles at track. Workout was 5x300, 3 sets, 100 rest between items, 500 between sets.

With temp in the low 90s and dew point in the low 70s, this was more about survival than splits. Averaged 55.

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From Bret on Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:14:09 from 38.140.6.75

Congrats Drew - that's exciting for you and your family. Hopefully it is still close enough to your old house that you still can meet up with the group for long runs on the weekend.

From Drew on Wed, May 27, 2015 at 16:46:32 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks! I remember a summer or two ago we ran down 62nd by the golf course - our house is in a little neighborhood near there. Definitely not too far to meet the group, but I may drive downtown.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 2 miles. The universe wants me to do other things than run today, but we'll see.

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From jtshad on Wed, May 27, 2015 at 07:19:23 from 141.221.191.225

Sometimes you need the break, especially when other life priorities get in the way.

Good luck with the move and I hope that your house sells soon.

From Drew on Wed, May 27, 2015 at 16:47:27 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Jeff- you're right, a break was definitely needed today, if not wanted. :)

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AM: 10 miles, just easy running on the bridge.

PM: 10 miles at lunch with Quint, new route.

I've had a kind of subterranean fatigue circling around me recently, but the walls came crashing in yesterday. It was probably a good thing I had no time to run. I felt like a ghost dragging chains around. Right before the crash though, I had the first glimmers that the recent excessive mileage was starting to click.

Work has been light over the last few weeks, which has allowed me to train my head off. Things are picking back up, so the challenge will be to stay employed and train my head off.

I signed up for a 5k on Father’s Day, partly to mark the transition into specific marathon training, partly because I could get permission.

Tomorrow, the forecast predicts a morning dew point around 65, which probably won’t happen again for 4 months. I’m planning a 10 mile MP tempo, which I would normally do every 2-3 weeks during specific phase. Usually the dew point is pegged out at 75 or worse from June through September, which will make that workout much harder than it should be.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 15 miles, 10 mile MP tempo in 58:56, 5:54 avg. Splits:

  1. 5:53
  2. 5:57
  3. 5:51
  4. 5:56
  5. 5:53
  6. 5:51
  7. 5:55
  8. 5:55
  9. 5:56
  10. 5:48

Best running weather I can recall for FL at the end of May. Wish I could say I felt strong today, but it was a grind the whole way. Pace felt about right for where I am in my training. Mentally and physically just exhausted though.

Glad to get my first official TCM workout on the books. It's a good sign to run this workout 4 months out.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint, both of us dragging.

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From JHatfield on Fri, May 29, 2015 at 18:14:00 from 68.12.232.113

You are killing the miles! Enjoy reading your blog. Looks good seeing an "old" guy like myself @ the top of the running board. '73 was a good year. I was brought into this world that year too. Good job on your running! Keep it up!

From Drew on Sun, May 31, 2015 at 18:35:06 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks! Props for the class of 73. :)

Looks like you have a great thing going on your training and group.

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0 miles, but I moved today. That was a lot of exercise.

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AM: 22 miles with the group. I parked at my old house, ran downtown & did the usual route, then met the family to clean the place as much as possible. After 10 years in that house, with 2 daughters added into the mix over the years, and myself- not your model homeowner...only so much could be done.

In college I used to get pretty nostalgic moving out of a dorm or appartment I lived in for a year. I'm way too tired for that this time, and when I do think about it, the first image that pops into my mind is heavy machinery and a wrecking ball knocking the walls off that place.

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AM: 10 miles. I think I was really able to appreciate my new surroundings for the first time at 5AM this morning.

PM: 10 miles at lunch with Quint.

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PM: 10 miles at track.

A few factors came together this morning which pointed toward skipping the AM run. I had tons of work, however I made unusually good progress. I'll ponder the connection.

It was cloudy and rained most of the day, so I also figured this would be a good chance to run hard at track. The humidity was still pretty unpleasant, but heavy clouds and light drizzle were way better than we'll get most of the summer.

Workout:

1 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 1 X 1 MILE WITH 200 REST, 1 X 800, FIVE MINUTE REST, REPEAT ENTIRE FIRST SET

Splits:

  1. 2:31, 5:04, 2:32
  2. 2:27, 5:06, 2:32

I have to consider this a good workout. I was pretty well-rested, and was running hard with no physical impediments.

The effort was high, though - and 4 months ago I did this workout in 1-2 seconds per 400 faster. I could not run sub-5 minute miles today though.

Rationally, I know you have to accept the slower summer times. This is about as fast as I've ever run in June. It is just something to get your head around though - almost like running with a weighted vest on.

Intervals are such an honest assessment of fitness. Running a bunch of miles is great and all, but it would have been nice to see slightly faster splits.

Just recently struck again by how specific training is. Sometimes I get myself through unpleasant slogs by saying- hey, you are probably ready to race faster, or soon will be... after about 5 weeks of base training, I have seen one noticeable adaption show up - simply that I feel less tired at the end of a 20+ mile run at easy/moderate pace.

Which is pretty much exactly what most of my training is like now. I think it's a necessary start, but I have plenty of hard running ahead of me this summer.

 

 

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From Jason D on Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 20:25:02 from 68.80.27.222

You weren't running the volume 4 months ago that you were now either. Hurray for breaks in the weather.

I think when a 20 miler doesn't beat you up too bad your aerobic engine is firing as it should and it means you are getting fit.

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AM: 10 miles. Beautiful weather, calm mind, no rushing. I need to do more runs like this. Having the kids out of school definitely helped.

PM: 0. Busy at work.

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AM: 12 miles on the bridge, medium pace.

PM: 0, another work through lunch day. Nearly done with the project though. I'm moving a client's health care claims format from old to current version. It is almost as exciting as it sounds.

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AM: 10 miles. Was aiming for a 4 mile tempo @ 5:30 pace. Got through 2 miles (5:26, 5:32) when I abruptly stopped, without really thinking about it. At first, I was thinking "Wow, I just chickened out!" But pretty quickly I realized my body knew what it was doing. I was heading fast into the red zone.

There's no reason at the beginning of June to do that. I could handle 5 miles ~5:30 in the winter, but it took several workouts to sharpen into that. The humidity hasn't been bad yet, mostly with dew points around 70 degrees. Every tick after that is significant, and today was up to 74. By July it will settle in around 76 and 77, so I really need to be patient and incremental right now.

On the positive side, after I cooled down I didn't feel beat up. The last two weeks have messed with my rhythm a little. I just need to keep going.

PM: 10 miles at lunch with Quint, and lunch run guest Mike M. Mike, being a lunch run n00b, ran shirtless. It was funny though - within literally a minute of leaving the parking lot, a young lady screamed out her window THANK YOU!!

Quint and I have been running through there for a couple years, and that has never happened.

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From Bret on Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:56:00 from 99.1.220.106

I do not miss those kind of dew points. People always talk about ATL being hot - but the humidity doesn't really compare to what you deal with in St. Pete.

From Drew on Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 12:11:16 from 24.73.66.122

Sometimes on our runs we comfort ourselves by talking about how much faster we'll be in the fall. The sad thing is- I think running in the humidity only makes you better at running in the humidity. ;)

From Mike on Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 11:20:21 from 65.34.80.35

The sun! It burns! I'll learn one day...

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AM: 5 miles with the girls to a new park, then 6.5 solo.

PM: 3.5 miles with Elise riding her bike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 24 miles, avg 6:45. Last 4 miles @ MP (5:56, 5:54, 6:01, 5:55).

Best long run yet of this training cycle. Overall endurance is feeling good. Although I'm still a way off from where I want to be at Twin Cities, I'm at a good place in the timeline.

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From Bret on Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 20:17:56 from 99.1.220.106

Wow. Nice job in June in Florida no less.

From Drew on Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 07:01:09 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks Bret. I've noticed you've put together a nice string of workouts lately.

From steve ash on Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 14:06:05 from 67.2.81.71

Just a suggestion.. You might be better off running a solid 16-18 miler with more mileage at MP Especially in heat and humidity. As it is you seem to already have quite a bit of volume, so I'm not sure how 20 plus miles will benefit really.. Unless your elite or sub 2:20 capable.

From steve ash on Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 14:11:00 from 67.2.81.71

Been there done that in Nebraska during the summer of 1999..

From Drew on Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 14:36:40 from 24.73.66.122

Steve - it's a good suggestion, I agree with that approach.

I've got ~16 weeks to my race. I'm planning to build to more MP running in the coming weeks and scale back the mileage.

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AM: 12 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint and Mike.

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AM: 4 miles at lunch with strides, loosening up for track.

Elise's bottom/front teeth have been loose for months, and we've been waiting to see if they would fall out naturally. This morning after breakfast she told me her loosest tooth was ready to come out. So we went to the bathroom and I pulled it out. She was a little shaken at first, but got over it quickly and began brushing it.

It brought back strong memories for me of my Dad pulling my teeth. I was always a little nervous from the pressure. He was very calm, and being a dentist, he knew what he was doing.

PM: 10 miles at track. Today was good from a standpoint of getting stronger through the workout. I'm a fan of conceding the first 3rd of the workout during the summer - just using it to warmup. Beside conserving energy, it seems to help mentally.

Workout: 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 3 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST, 400 REST BETWEEN THE SETS

Started out with Lee and Mike, everyone running carefully.

1:25, 1:20, 1:20, 1:15

Got moving on the 800s. Felt better than last week.

2:29, 2:30, 2:27

A high school guy named Ched joined us for the final 400s. His coach was telling him to hang with us and run 1:15s, while the four of us were looking distracted and thinking "Time to race these things!"

1:08, 1:07, 1:08, 1:10

I was feeling pretty good about outlasting our high school friend on the second and third repeats until Mike blew past me like I was standing still.

Love having these guys to run with. Solo I'd be lucky to make it to the track.

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From Bret on Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 07:12:00 from 216.234.133.229

Quite a day (and seriously a good workout) - pulling teeth and all.

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AM: 10 slow miles.

PM: 10 miles at lunch with Mike and Quint.

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AM: 12 easy miles on the bridge.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Mike and Quint.

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AM: 11 miles. I took the day off, so like any sensible person I slept in, did a few chores, then met three buddies for 2 x 1.5 miles in Tampa at 10 AM.

This plan developed over the last couple weeks. We ran the workout at Al Lopez park, on the course where the 5k is staged next week. Charles was very familiar with it. I had heard it was a good, and it really was - a couple of slow circles around ponds with decent shade. Not only certified but engraved mile markers by the City of Tampa!

Charles wanted to run the full course as a 5k practice, while Mike, Quint and myself opted for running 1.5 miles, 5 minute standing rest, then another 1.5. I've done this workout once before, and it was a great indicator and confidence booster.

This time, I had a lot of work-related stress on my mind, so at least I wasn't thinking too much about running. It was still daunting though. I want to believe that on a good day in winter I could run close to 7:30 for both repeats, and my goal was to get as close to that today as possible. I tried to clear my head and just slug it out.

We staggered our starts, which really helps us with motivation. I ended up running 7:45/7:55 - solid but not spectacular. That suggests to me I'll run around 16:15 next Sunday. I'd really like to cheat the reaper and get under 16, and I think I have a slight chance, very slight.

PM: 4 mile shakeout.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 12 miles on the waterfront. That's all for the day- heading to Orlando for an engagement party.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 7 miles with Allison around Lake Baldwin in Orlando. One of the rare times in the last half decade we've run together without a jogging stroller.

PM: 4 miles back in St. Pete with Elise on her bike. Good quote from her when we finished: "It is completely hot!"

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From Rob Murphy on Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 17:27:22 from 24.10.247.181

Yep, that sums up summers in Florida.

I can't believe I grew up in Pinellas County. When I visit in the summer these days I just mostly sit around and whine a lot.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.003.000.0012.00

AM: 4 miles. Tonight is a short and sharp track workout, then an easy recovery week leading up to Sunday's 5k.

After that, it's 15 weeks to Twin Cities, and if you throw out the final two weeks for taper, that seems about right for a marathon-specific training block. Over the last two months, I've put down a decent base (could always be more), and I've done some sharpening - think I'm ready to get down to business.

I'd really like to hear about any key workouts other runners have had success with in the build-up to a marathon. I have some things that work for me, but I have a lot of time this cycle and I'm looking to incorporate new ideas.

PM: 8 miles at track. Summer has arrived in full fury mode, and at least once around this time of year I need my Groundhog Day.

On this day each year, I attempt to ignore the conditions, then I explode. At least this year I didn't waste much time crying in my Cheerios. Plan was 5 x 1k with 200 rest, target 5:00 pace. Plan was also to put mind over matter and ignore conditions.  Plan failed. Started at 5:30 PM, 94 degrees, 78 DP.

First K was 3:06, felt pretty good! Second was 3:09, skin melting, eyeballs baked. I sat around for 5 minutes in the shade feeling sorry for myself, then jumped in with Lee for his last two: 3:35, 3:36. I rallied for one last K solo: 3:15.

Lesson relearned: start slow and speed up, or adjust winter times by 10-15 secs pace per mile. These roads lead to a productive workout. Otherwise disaster.

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From Mike on Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 13:27:59 from 24.59.121.139

Key workout: work out anywhere other than Florida in the summer. Haha

From Jason D on Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 23:00:06 from 68.80.27.222

I'd be interested to hear what your workouts are.

I think the common one on the blog is to do some sort of medium long run midweek with quality miles (whether an 8 mile tempo at marathon pace with maybe 13-16 total work, or an LT session around HMP, with 13-15 of total work).

The other is "big workouts." Variations on the 10 easy to moderate with 10 miles at marathon pace is a blog classic (though the blog didn't invent it, and of course the blog is made up of people :) ). Split it how you want: 5 up/10 tempo/5 down, but at least one 10 + 10 @ marathon goal pace is good I think. Other big workouts like a 4-3-2-1 is pretty meaty (4 around marathon effort, 3 about 10 seconds faster, 2 around half marathon pace, and 1 about 10 seconds faster).

This is more or less what I do but I bring it up because I see a lot faster and successful marathoners on the blog doing similar workouts.

I also see come steady stuff of around 18 miles showing up. For a low to mid 2:20 guy this is something faster than 6:30 overall (maybe 6:20-6-10 average?) with a good portion at 6 minute pace. This is done as a long run.

I think a lot of work at marathon pace (and even slightly above) is key. Folks say to neglect speed in marathon training, which is fine assuming you already have it and aren't still trying to build it as I am.

From Jason D on Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 23:03:14 from 68.80.27.222

The phrase I am using, "big workouts," comes from this interview with Paul Petersen (on the blog, 3x OT qualifier). Some wisdom here.

http://blog.utahrunning.com/paul-petersen-interview/

From Drew on Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 07:58:21 from 24.73.66.122

Mike - thanks wiseguy. :) You got out at the right time, by the way. But don't worry, the weather will be here when you get back.

Jason - awesome info, and I appreciate the link. I am on a similar wavelength. I will post in today's entry some workouts I like since this post is already a jumble.

From Bret on Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:58:55 from 216.234.133.229

Loved the description of the skin melting and eyeballs baking...a la Raiders of the Lost Ark when the Nazi's opened the Ark.

I know there are others who oppose use of the treadmill, but just a suggestion in Florida in the summertime - you may want to opt for the 'mill for some of the workouts that the weather conditions simply won't permit. Not sure you will get the same adaptation with it, but I also don't think that running 30 seconds slower per rep than planned because your skin is melting will help with any adaptations except acclimation to heat.

From Drew on Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 14:03:54 from 173.171.218.92

Bret- I avoid the TM, not for aesthetic reasons (running inside with headphones is fun for me), but because I have trouble transferring workouts done on the mill to races on the road.

That said, I have to agree with you that running significantly slower just to be doing it outside isn't useful either.

I think I'm just going to have to take a pragmatic approach this summer and see what I can do outside, and adjust as needed.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Carrying over some thoughts on marathon workouts, here are some things I plan on this summer. Most of them I've done in previous cycles, all of them are stolen from other sources.

Mid-week

  1. 5-6 mile wave tempo, alternating MP and 10k pace every 1/2 mile
  2. 6 x 1 mile at 10k pace, 400 jog recovery
  3. 10-12 mile MP tempo
  4. 6-8 mile HMP tempo
  5. Random intervals to maintain speed (400/800/Ks/etc)
  6. Bridge (hill) repeats

Longish

  1. ~16 miles at MP
  2. 20 miles - First 10 MP+1:00 min/mile, second 10 MP
  3. ~24 mile run ~ 85% MP (Canova ripoff, means of calcuation percent described here: http://www.runningwritings.com/2014/04/championship-racing-with-renato-canova.html)
  4. ~20 mile run ~ 95% MP (Same as above)
  5. 4-3-2-1: Want to incorporate Jason's suggestion on this one.
  6. Standard long run with finishing miles at MP, build longer as summer goes on. Aim for getting to 8 miles or so.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 4 miles. Sleeping in is nice, I could get used to it. Maybe it wouldn't be nice then.

PM: 4 miles at lunch, back to Al Lopez Park. I like it there, more shade than the usual trail.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles.

Cutting back this week has been good physically. I was feeling pretty lousy at the start of the week, and by yesterday I could feel the turnaround. Mentally though, a lot of second-guessing. I feel like a slacker, and a small voice wonders if this is the beginning of the end. End of what, I'm not sure.

Obviously kind of silly, since after seven big weeks, one week of light running is probably in order. But the mentality that creeps in with a lot of training can be pretty illogical at times.

In the past, one thing I've done poorly during light weeks or tapers is taking care of myself. Since I have more energy, I stay up later. There's a link in my life between focused training and eating well. I don't eat healthy as a default, but it's easy when I can link it to good fueling. So in the past, I've often gotten less out of rest weeks than I should have. This week I've done much better. I feel like I'm doing everything in my power to produce good results- hopefully they will come.

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From Mike on Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 13:55:19 from 65.96.105.243

Kick butt tomorrow, Drew! Hope there are one or two people there to help you to your goal racing with you.

From SlowJoe on Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:08:26 from 45.18.50.53

Wow, this could have been written by me. You're not alone!

Hope the race went well today.

From SlowJoe on Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:10:50 from 45.18.50.53

Ah it's tomorrow...good luck.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles. Last night Elise was in a short play, end result of a week at drama camp. It was super cute. Anna sat in my lap and was totally spellbound.

Mostly excited to race tomorrow, it's been a few months. Interested (in a perverse way) to see how I handle the heat.

Race: Great Father's Day 5k (3.107 Miles) 00:16:29, Place overall: 2, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.003.000.007.00

I'm going to bullet point this one. Sorry for the unattractive presentation, but I'm eager to press the reset button on and get on with Father's Day.

  • I was surprised (and mostly happy) to see Jon Noland at the start. He is a Masters runner who thumped me in a 10k last Feb. As I warmed up, I told myself I am in better shape now, and I could take him.
  • He joined me for a warmup mile. We compared notes- he was a little stiff after running a 4:26 mile on the track last night. He is preparing for Masters Nationals in Jacksonville in a month. The realization washed over me that he is a signficantly better runner than me.
  • I need to make time to run with him in the future.
  • No excuses day. Hot and humid, sure, but the course was shaded and the humidity was if anything better than most of the week. I was well-rested, nothing hurt.
  • Planned to run 5:10-5:15 for the first mile. Came in around 5:12.
  • Jon and a college guy were about 6 seconds ahead.  Instead of digging in, I just let go. 5:20 second mile, 5:25 3rd mile. Got the college kid in the second mile as he was dying off.

Sick of bullets. Today was an underperformance, plain and simple. Wasn't a disaster. It was flat and sluggish. It's been a couple months since I raced, and it felt like it today. I ended the race far too fresh, and mentally was lacking.

This happens though. My focus has been overwhelming on endurance. It may not be healthy, but I'm going to think of this as a workout of 3 miles @ 5:19 pace rather than a 16:30 5k.

Still, I feel like I should have run closer to 16:15. It's never good to check out like that in a race.

I'm pretty over it already. My girls were out there cheering, which is always great. And we get to spend the rest of the day goofing off.

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From JHatfield on Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 17:50:29 from 68.12.232.113

Nice race Drew! We all are our worst critics. I went through the same scenario as you in a 10k yesterday. I felt like l was way off but considering the conditions along with a tough hilly course I faired pretty good. 2nd place oa & I got a $100 bill for it. So, it wasn't a complete disaster after all. Summer months are very tough to train in much less race. Hang in there & keep up the hard work. It will pay big dividends come marathon time!

From Bret on Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:45:26 from 216.234.133.229

2nd place in 16:29 in June in Florida ain't too shabby, Mr. Drew. Hard to say your pace fell off that much - less than 8 seconds in the first mile and only 5 seconds from 2 to 3.

Keep good perspective - this is a solid effort in the summertime and your goal is a strong marathon in the fall. You are in a good place.

From Drew on Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 13:58:55 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks for the positive comments guys.

J- congrats on your race. I received some kind of foot pod tracker thing, I think you got the better deal. :)

Bret- you're right, as usual. It is fine in the big picture. I just wish I executed a little better.

From jtshad on Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 08:27:25 from 141.221.191.225

This is a great race, old guy or not. Your speed is very impressive!

From Drew on Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 08:37:55 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jeff. A lot of good came out of the race, but right afterwards I was discouraged - partly because of the time but more because of how I got there.

If I was maxed out and I gave it my all, that would be one thing. Instead it felt more like a half-baked workout.

That can happen though - I find I need to relearn how to race when I've been off competing for a few months. I'm going to jump into a 3200 on Saturday - I'm not in peak form for that distance now, but I think mentally I'll be better than this 5k. And getting into that zone makes marathon pace seem a whole lot more manageable.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.001.000.000.004.00

PM: 4 miles. Laziness cancelled starting tomorrow.

Plan for the week- Tues: 2 x 2 miles @ 5:30 pace for track. Fri: bridge repeats, pretty hard effort. Sun: long run with last 5 miles @ MP.

We saw the new Pixar movie Inside Out with our girls yesterday. Our younger daughter is pretty hard boiled, but our older daughter is sensitive. The movie isn't frightening, but it's very emotional, and she cried for most of it. I took her out for a break and the first thing she said to me when we got outside was "Why would anyone make a movie like that?!" I'm hopeful it was more cathartic than traumatic.

It might have been more traumatic. I still remember the bad feelings I got from Pete's Dragon, which I saw in the theater when I was about her age.

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From Bret on Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 13:17:01 from 216.234.133.229

I saw it with my youngest - who is 19. I thought it was well done - but can certainly see how it may impact younger audiences. For what it is worth, my wife and daughter cried for much of it as well.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.004.000.0014.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 8 miles at track. Workout was 2 x 2 miles with 5 minute standing rest between. Splits: 10:58, 10:57.

Although Sunday's 5k felt negative at the time, several positives came out of it. One of them was that I knew this workout would feel manageable, and it did. This was the best I've felt running on the track so far this summer.

Coach Joe was quotable as usual: "Every time I've had a bad race, all it made me do was want to try harder. It just renewed my running. To really train...to overtrain...oh, and by the way, there is no such thing."

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From Mike on Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:00:26 from 65.96.105.243

I wonder if Joe met Yogi Berra, who would be more quotable? Would the world just stop?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 12 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.003.000.0018.00

AM: 11 miles, bridge repeats, hard. I really want to go to sleep now, but I have the next best thing across the street from my office- a homestyle Cuban place that serves Cafe con Leches that should be classified as Schedule 1 drugs.

PM: 7 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 10 miles, felt pretty lousy on the way out, light fartlek on the way back, just to end the misery.

PM: 5 miles. Late afternoon run with Quint. Mostly to battle the summer slog, we came up with a running game. The rules were:

  • Set watch to beep every 1/2 mile
  • No looking at the watch except when it beeps
  • We have to stay together
  • Every 1/2 mile has to be faster than the last, otherwise game over

We got through 4 miles like that, starting at 8:45 pace and ending a little under 6:30. It wasn't intended as a workout per se, but getting a little quality was a bonus.

Mostly just looking for ways to break up the summer running. Other ideas under consideration are:

  • Superhero / Carnival costumes
  • Parkour
  • Acting out historical scenes

Quint isn't actually aware of these ideas yet.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

6 miles. A bit before noon in the middle of errands on the Pinellas Trail to get in a few overpasses.

I was very close to skipping my run and grabbing lunch somewhere, but I dragged myself onto the trail. As I was getting to the top of the last overpass, I was patting myself on the back for making it out there. Some guy rode by on his bike and muttered "Looks like you need something to eat."

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.002.000.000.0025.00

AM: 23 miles, about 2/3 with a good group of 9 people. I really struggled with overheating today. We had friends over yesterday, and I did pretty good eating-wise for a pool party. Mostly pasta, a couple chips, one beer. I still felt off this morning. I would get rolling for awhile then I'd start overheating. I went through that cycle about 4 times.

My goal was to run the last 5 miles at target MP. I made it through 2, then blew up and staggered home. A little frustrated - with the heat I feel like every aspect of pre-run and recovery has to be managed perfectly, and perfection is not my strong suit. 7:05 avg pace today.

PM: 2 much more relaxed miles running with Elise while she rode her bike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

10 miles in Whedon Island Preserve. There are miles of boardwalk and actual trails running through mangroves, palms and pines back there. Unique place in Pinellas County. Sawgrass Lake is a miniature version, but before you go a quarter mile you are either running up against the 275 Interstate, or back to the water where the shots from a gun range constantly echo across the water.

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From Rob Murphy on Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 18:08:16 from 24.10.247.181

Pinellas is a pretty built-up place. Glad you can find some decent trails.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.002.000.000.0014.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 10 miles at track. The workout was an ascending & descending ladder from 100s to 400s. I'm planning something separate tomorrow morning, so I just ran with the group as a rabbit. I ran a steady pace through the recoveries to get ahead of everyone, then I'd get caught on the fast sections. I really like sessions like this where I'm not concerned with my own splits, and helping my teammates through a workout is gratifying. If I ran like this all summer I'd probably be a lot less stressed.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.003.000.009.00

AM: 6.5 miles. This morning I went to another club's track workout at University of Tampa, and yes, I did feel like Daniel Larusso training at the Cobra Kai dojo.

Besides just shaking things up, one of the main draws was running with Jon Noland, who has been blowing me out of the water every time we race.

His group does similar intervals to ours, with one interesting difference: the workouts are announced that morning. Everyone runs the same distances, but there are many pace levels. This morning the workout was 1200-1600-1200-800, with passive rest of 3:00, 4:00, 3:00.

Jon's assignment (and mine by proxy) was 3:39, 4:56, 3:39, 2:22. I doubted I could hang with that, but the reason I broke up my routine and drove early to Tampa was to get out of my comfort zone, so I went for it.

Amazingly, I came pretty close, and today was my best track workout in a long time. I was chasing Jon the whole way, and that was a huge help. As was running in the dawn as opposed to the crushing sun/heat of 5pm. Splits were: 3:41.3, 4:56.0, 3:39.9, 2:21.5.

A small victory in training today, but I'll take it. Next up is a tough long run (20 miles @ 95% of MP) - I'll be doing it in Jacksonville, so I'm hoping the weather will be ever-so-slightly cooler.

PM: 2.5 miles shakeout.

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From Jason D on Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:56:49 from 68.80.27.222

I like the idea of announcing workouts on the morning of. I've heard that some college and high school coaches do this. I've toyed with the idea of selecting 3 workouts and having Megan text me from school (I go in later) one of the workouts that she won't have any real stake in or know quite what it is.

Most importantly, strong workout! I also think that's more than pretty close :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 6 miles, return to Whedon Island.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
25.000.000.000.0025.00

AM: 22.5 miles. In Jacksonville Beach for the 4th, and luckily had significantly cooler/less humid weather than what we've been seeing in Tampa Bay lately.

Took the opportunity to do 20 miles @ 95% of MP, my target was 6:13 avg pace. Done in 2:04:13, just a bit under target. Felt strong.

PM: 2.5 miles shakeout.

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From jtshad on Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 08:27:54 from 173.198.176.121

Great run, you are looking really strong.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 10 easy miles on the beach. Good since I was feeling yesterday's run.

One of the maddening frustrations of running, or engaging challenges, depending on your mood, is marshalling all the aspects of running leading into a goal race.

Slowing, patiently building a strength foundation, and getting right with your speed and race pace are hard by themselves. Merging those threads together so they support and complement each other only happens for me once or twice a  year if I'm lucky, and the window does not stay open long.

I'm grateful I still have a couple months of training, even if the road does look long, hot and dusty from here. Quite a bit has gone right, and some hasn't, but I'm still a ways from where I need to be.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 10 miles. A beautiful morning outside, Elise rode with me for the last 4.

PM: 6 miles.

We had an epic drive back from Jacksonville to St. Petersburg yesterday afternoon. It's about a 4 hour drive. Half an hour in, the AC stopped working and the engine temperature quickly pegged out. The coolant tank was emtpy - maybe a leak - but really we had no choice but to get home and deal with it from there.

To keep the engine from exploding, we had to drive the remaining 3.5 hours with the heat all the way up. As you might imagine, driving across Florida in July with the heat blasting is not a good time. Windows rolled down to avoid suffocating, then we drove through a lighting storm and pouring rain.

Today we found out there is a crack in the engine block. On the positive side, this apparently afflicts Civics bought around 2006 and the engine will be replaced for free.


 

Comments
From jtshad on Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 08:26:12 from 141.221.191.225

Wow, what a terrible drive. Glad to hear it is an issue that is under warranty/recall so you are not stuck paying for it.

From Bret on Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 08:32:15 from 216.234.133.229

Free engine - nice! Had to be miserable enduring the drive in the heat though - glad yo made it back safely.

From Drew on Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 08:41:24 from 173.171.218.92

I think my wife wanted to torture me, because first she told me the engine block cracked, paused, then told me it was under warranty.

It was a lousy drive, but it's funny how those experiences become comical family stories pretty quickly.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.006.000.0017.00

AM: 5 miles. Although I wasn't happy with how I ran my last 5k, in retrospect I realized it was  a good thing to put some fast, shorter races into the middle of my marathon training. Along those lines, I decided to jump into a local track series. I missed the 1600, but they're hosting a 3200 this Saturday evening, and a 5000 in August.

PM: 12 miles at track. I did my own thing tonight, one of my core marathon workouts.

6x1 mile with 400 jog recovery, target was 5:16s. Splits:

  1. 5:15.2
  2. 5:15.3
  3. 5:15:5
  4. 5:16.7
  5. 5:16.1
  6. 5:16.4

We had a nice cloud cover which really helped. The funny thing about this workout is the first repeat feels totally manageable, and by #6 you feel like you are sprinting in molasses.

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From Rob Murphy on Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 06:47:52 from 24.10.247.181

Excellent workout! It takes a lot of fortitude to grind through that.

From Bret on Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 11:46:41 from 216.234.133.229

Nice consistency on the splits, Drew.

From Jason D on Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 13:19:06 from 68.80.27.222

You are one fast dude! I think you have said you run these closer to 10k pace, correct? I need to run mine faster. I think I am closer to maybe half marathon pace or 15k pace.

From Drew on Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 15:34:08 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jason - yeah, for 6x1 mile that would be about 10k pace. I also do 3 or 4x1 at 5k pace, but I probably won't bother with that during this marathon block.

I should mention my best 10k was run at around 5:21. So, I'm definitely giving myself the benefit of the doubt. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 6 slow, sore miles.

PM: 8 miles with Quint, off the beaten path. Took the Pinellas Trail past Tropicana Field into South St. Pete, industrial decay.

Comments
From Bret on Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 07:27:54 from 216.234.133.229

Pretty dodgy area from what I remember between there and Gibbs HS.

From Drew on Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 15:02:00 from 173.171.218.92

Yeah, definitely. Quint just got back from Peachtree and the area developer in him was inspired by Little Five Points.

Down here off the Pinellas Trail there are some abandoned railway stations he wanted to run by. It is pretty cool to imagine some of those buildings coming back into use.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 9 miles with Quint and Mike.

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From Mike on Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 13:17:52 from 65.34.80.35

I brought the good weather! ;)

Race: Triple Crown 3200 (1.988 Miles) 00:09:57, Place overall: 5, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.002.000.0010.00

AM: 5 with strides, track race tonight.

PM: 5 miles, including a 3200 at the University of Tampa.

This was a lowkey event, run in a single heat. The closest I've run to this distance was the 2 mile in high school, and my intention was just to lock in with fast runners and knock out two miles (well, 3200) as quickly as possible.

My training partner Lee gave me another talking to on Tuesday about not racing against the clock, sticking with the competition, etc. I promised him this was a good race to implement that approach, and I did my best to stick to it.

I expected the race to go out fast, but after 200 meters the pace felt fairly conservative. So on the backstrech I took the lead and led the group for the next 300 meters or so. The first lap passed in 1:11-1:12, and shortly after that the reality settled on me that I couldn't hang with that and expect to finish in one piece. The train passed me by over the next 400, and I slowed a second or so per mile.

Normally I'm pretty good about maintaining my pace, but in the humidity it's very hard to run an aggressive pace and stick with it. I don't think starting hard had any seriously negative impact, but I don't think it helped massively either. I felt a tangible wall, right around 5:00 pace. I ran mostly 75 second 400s, and felt OK, but my training right now is not optimized for sustaining paces much faster than that.

All in all though, this was a positive race. I ran a full week of mileage and hung around better than I did in my last 5k. I came through 1600 in 4:56, and at that point I focused on keeping my time under 10 minutes. I hit the 7th lap in 8:46, and was able to close in 71-72.

The most important thing for tonight was to adjust myself to running much faster than 5:55 pace. My family came out to cheer, and my older daughter ran 800 meters of the cooldown with me. My friends made a big deal of that, and that was something I could really be proud of.

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From Mike on Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 08:51:00 from 65.34.80.35

I'm really excited to see the positive impact that your running/exercise has on your daughters. Even though it's only a couple of laps, she was just excited to do that with you. I can tell you I had NEVER been excited to do any running at that age, so that's a special thing to possibly carefully facilitate with her.

From Jason D on Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 13:52:42 from 68.80.27.222

Good stuff, Drew. I am just now learning about racing versus racing the clock. I've known the difference for some time, of course, but actually doing it is harder.

From Drew on Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 14:21:42 from 173.171.218.92

Oof, I am not comfortable when I need to race outside of planned target paces. Sometimes that works well for me, sometimes not. I'm trying to get better at it.

Never got to say "Thanks!" for sending all the 4/3/2/1 details, so Thanks! I was pretty blown away that you could handle such short rest between sets in your variation. I'm leaning toward the 1/2 mile rest Jake did, and even that sounds a little scary.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles, 7:23 avg pace. I felt deeply tired and rather sore for most of this run. If not for the excellent company, I would have run 2 miles at 9:23 avg.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

After really dragging yesterday, I felt surprisingly good on both runs today. My main workout for the week will be a long run integrating 4/3/2/1 miles starting at MP on Friday.

My track group is running 800s tomorrow. I was initally going to pass on that workout, but assuming I feel good again tomorrow I think I can handle that + Friday.

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From Tom Slick on Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:42:52 from 168.179.158.193

Your up to 2503 miles so far this year! Outstanding!

From Drew on Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 13:41:31 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Tom! I was hoping to get there by the end of June, but a few too many lazy weeks in spring did me in.

From Mike on Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 20:50:42 from 65.34.80.35

"Lazy weeks". Yeah Drew, you really need to get back on your game ;)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.003.000.0014.00

AM: 4 miles with strides, then a dentist appt. I just need someone to punch me in the gut for the morning to be complete.

PM: 10 miles at track. Workout: 3 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 2 SETS WITH 400 REST BETWEEN SETS.

Splits:

  1. 2:31.6
  2. 2:30.8
  3. 2:29.2
  4. 2:28.9
  5. 2:30.0
  6. 2:28.3

Good-sized group tonight. Two less reps than normal, saving up for Friday. Moderate cloud cover, temp low 80s which helped. Dew point around 80 did not.

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From Bret on Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 20:05:56 from 99.1.220.106

Have you seen the "misery index" which is adding the air temp to the dew point - and then add a % based on the sum to the planned pace. So for example you would have a total of 165 or so - which means you add like 6% to your planned pace to account for the impact of the conditions. Not sure how much going to the dentist would add to the misery index - but it can't help. :).

Nice effort too Drew.

From Drew on Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 03:28:42 from 173.171.218.92

Yeah, I've seen that Bret - I think whoever came up with it picked the perfect name.

There are so many variables in play. Don't get me wrong - it was awful - but the longer the distance the harder it gets. At least with shorter reps you have a little time to reset and cool down.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch.

A couple days ago, my younger daughter asked me who I love most. I remember asking my mother the same question. She told me "I love you all equally," and that was not a satisfying answer.

I tried to explain that I love her and her sister in different ways, but this also fell short. It sounds like apples and oranges, and you have a preference. I like oranges, but they're messy. You can always chomp an apple.

I wanted to say it's more like colors, but with kids, that's the same thing. It's different for adults though. If someone asks me now, I'll say "green," as a shortcut- a carryover from childhood. I like blue, yellow, orange and red just as much.

After years of living closely with someone, it's kind of like attaching memories to many tones of a color. Elise is gentle, competitive, sensitive, focused. Anna is daring, individualistic, fun-loving, witty.

It's difficult to put into words how you love someone.

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From Jason D on Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 18:29:53 from 68.80.27.222

Good example of degree versus kind. Probably tough for young people to understand that though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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AM: 8 miles. Overslept, I love that. Incredible summer views outside- massive rain clouds mixed with blue sky, wide rainbow.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.004.006.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles. Day of 4-3-2-1.

Woke up to a steady downpour. I'm tied up this weekend, so there wasn't really an option to reschedule. Also, Mike and Christina were planning to jump in for some (Christina) or all (Mike) of the workout, so I headed downtown.

In St. Pete, a lot of rain tends to flood the streets pretty quickly, and this happened today. I parked at my old house and checked in with the gang - Christina opted to start at the Y indoors. I found out hours later that Mike was caught in a flooded street and needed a tow. Now that's dedication to a workout...

I warmed up for 6.5 miles, by which time the rain had let up and I was ready to get this thing moving. Plan (props & thanks to JasonD for the suggestion and pacing advice) was to start at target MP and drop 10 seconds per section.

The workout itself went well, even if the day around it was a wet mess. Splits were:

4 miles: 23:35 (5:53, 5:55, 5:54, 5:53)
3 miles: 17:12 (5:46, 5:44, 5:42)
2 miles: 11:03 (5:33, 5:30)
1 mile: 5:18

I did .5 mile easy jog between sets. I think this is an excellent workout 8-10 weeks out from a marathon since you get to experience several pace ranges, mostly faster than MP, and all in the context of a long run.
 

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From Jason D on Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 13:53:04 from 68.80.27.222

You nailed it. It always feels good to knock out something saucy in the final mile too. It shows you are very fit. You can't "fake" a 5:18 17ish miles in to a workout when you already been running hard. High quality week too.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles. My wife is out of town this weekend, so in exchange for the promise of cinnamon crunch bagels and hot chocolate, my girls got in the stroller for a few miles.

Rain continued through midday. I felt depression settling in, so I decided to get serious about arranging furniture in our new house. Yes, we've been here for a month and a half.

I made some progress until I settled on moving a massive china cabinent we inherited from the previous owners. I decided it should go on the other side of the kitchen eating area, a 90 degree turn and about 30 feet. I was able to push it, until I smashed into a ceiling beam.

To get under the beam, I unfastened the hutch, then pushed it into onto a field of couch cushions. Moved both sections, then guided by the ancient instincts which created Stonehenge and the Moai, I raised the hutch on chairs one side at a time. I enlisted Elise to hand me books to incrementally get each side higher, until I could finally raise the damn thing onto the cabinet.

This process took about two hours.

Some people misunderstand me, believing that I run because I find deep meaning in the relative accomplishments or exercise. I choose running because home improvement is boring.

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From Mike on Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:25:43 from 65.34.80.35

Hahahaha. Day. Made. Nice post.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

17 miles, 7:32 avg.

Like my wife & myself, my friends Quint and Christina have two kids and run a lot.

When Christina got back from the group long run, she graciously took on my kids so Quint and I could run together. We hit a new path just opened- you can now run from Tierra Verde to the Miesner Bridge, which is pretty cool. We didn't get started until 9:30, and the heat was pretty bad until more rain moved in.

As for Christina, she's a tough cookie - waking up at 5 AM to get her long run in, then keeping four kids, all 6 and under, occupied for two hours.

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From Bret on Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:21:11 from 216.234.133.229

Very nice of her. I enjoyed meeting both of them in Chicago. She's fast enough that she can have Quint do the opposite - next time - and have him watch the kids!

From Drew on Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 17:28:09 from 173.171.218.92

No kidding Bret!

Quint mentioned at the time how much he enjoyed meeting you.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 8 miles. I took the day off work so I could shuttle the kids to their various appointments. After I dropped them off in the morning, I drove to the Pinellas Bayway for bridge repeats. The Master Plan called for more quality than I could muster this morning, but I was OK with that. Easy/moderate pace.

PM: 4 mile fartlek in 26:10 while the kids were at swimming.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

AM: 6 miles. Heading to track tonight to get some miles in, but no workout. Next up is 4 or 5 miles at HMP on Thurs.

PM: 11 miles, mostly circling the track while everyone else ran hard.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 9 miles.

PM: 6 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.005.000.0019.00

AM: 10 miles, with 5 mile tempo in 27:20. Target pace was sub 5:30, averaged 5:28. I was nervous about this workout for days. So pulling it off was very satisfying. I focused on taking small, quick steps and being as economical as possible, which felt necessary in the stifling conditions. Splits:

  1. 5:33
  2. 5:27
  3. 5:30
  4. 5:26
  5. 5:24

PM: 9 miles at lunch with Mike and Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 12 miles. Met Scott and Christina at Northshore, mostly easy with 8x30 second pickups late in the run.

PM: 4 miles. Steady rain all morning as Mike, Quint and I did our standard coordination of starting location and time for the lunch run. As the hour drew near, we had to reassess due to high lightning activity.

Mike wisely chose to stay indoors. Quint and I decided to wait a bit - he wanted to stay in his car. He was shy about popping into my office wearing running clothes, but I managed to convey how truly low the bar is set for social norms in a small office of computer programmers.

After about twenty minutes we headed out into gentle rain. Even though we didn't see much lightning, I was on edge and insisted we not head up the trail so we could beat a hasty retreat if the storm worsened. On our second loop around the park, a huge, multi-forked spear of storm rage exploded over the beach, and we turned around and ran hard back to my office.

Afterwards, I felt a little bad about both my runs today. My legs are sore from this morning - it would have been smarter to go 8 miles max, and go alone so that I could slog 8:30+ pace. And the afternoon run really went against my instincts.

It looks like we are in for constant rain and lightning storms over the next week. For now, I'm looking forward to staying home tonight, picking up something warm to eat and cold to drink.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 10 miles. The deluge continues. When I awoke it was actually not raining, so I threw the kids in the jogging stroller and got three miles before the thunder started. I considered heading back out solo, but I guess I learned my lesson from yesterday and resigned myself to the first treadmill run of the summer. I ran on the mill a lot in 2010 and 2011, and I remember I could really go to my happy place. I guess it's like anything - you need to practice - because today those seven miles were a grind.

Hoping to get in a PM run, but time may be scarce. An old friend from San Francisco is visiting, and we'll be seeing him later today. I didn't run much in those days, although he was a runner and would sometimes drag me out to the Marina with him. It's a nice route, but I didn't enjoy it much since I was out of shape and he always wanted to run sub-8 minute miles.

We did Bay to Breakers together a few times. That is still my favorite race in the world. I tried to figure out what times I ran, but apparently I never actually ran it with a bib. People usually associate costumes, intoxication and nudity with that race, which are certainly in effect. My favorite part is the start though. You wait in a huge crowd, and shortly before the gun, everyone starts throwing tortillas in the air like frisbees. It's a really bizarre sight. I have no idea where that tradition came from.

PM: 3 miles with Elise on her bike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.006.000.000.0022.00

AM: 22 miles. The first of three related long workouts. All are 22 miles with 1 warmup/1 cooldown. For this one, the first 14 miles were MP + 1:00, final 6 miles at MP, targeting 6:55/5:55 averages.

The second version will be 12/8, final one 10/10.

I had Mike with me almost the entire time which really helped. Christina joined us for miles 6-14, during which our pace only dropped.

14 miles in 1:36:00 (6:51 avg), 6 miles in 35:18 (5:53 avg).

 

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From jtshad on Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:53:42 from 173.198.176.121

Wow, what a workout! You are going to rock at TCM!

From Bret on Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 14:26:45 from 99.1.220.106

Very impressive - looking very strong Drew.

From Drew on Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 17:12:07 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys. Things do feel like they're coming together well in this cycle - but you know how one little thing can go wrong.

Also, I'm scared of the hill at mile 20.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 8 miles with Quint and Mike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.002.000.500.0018.50

AM: 7.5 miles.

PM: 11 miles. Yesterday I was beat up, today I felt almost OK to go for it at track. I had already resolved to wait until Thursday for my next hard workout, and I stuck to it.

Our group's scheduled workout was a wave tempo. The variant we do is pretty close to what I've seen called an LT wave run - in our case we alternate MP and 10k pace every 1/2 mile. Distance is for 4-6 miles.

Lee and I opted to help pace Quint, who was targeting about 3:15 / 2:57 for his half mile splits. We did 4 miles together, and hit the splits he was looking for. Mike rolled by into his 5th mile and I ran the last 3/4 of a mile with him. He closed the workout down with a 2:36 1/2 mile split, very impressive.

There was another group alternating 4:00 / 3:30. I jumped in with them for two miles to wrap up.

I had a lot of fun today. Training is going well at the moment, but I will certainly go through valleys and burnout again. At times it's really good for me to step away from my personal goals and help other people. I don't think I have the temperament to be a coach, but maybe some day I could just help pace friends through workouts and races. Seeing people work hard, especially when they succeed, is an awesome feeling.

Anyway, I'm planning on doing this workout Thursday AM.

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From Bret on Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:03:05 from 216.234.133.229

I share your enthusiasm for assisting/pacing other folks in workouts or races. I think you are really good at that too - whenever we have gone on runs together - you are very supportive and helpful. It is quite fulfilling and helps move your thought processes away from yourself.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.500.000.000.0016.50

AM: 8.5 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Mike and Quint. Things actually started out dry, but once again we finished with a lightning storm rolling by.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles, workout fail. Woke up exhausted, went through the motions of getting ready, did my warmup. I struggled through the file half-mile at MP and pulled the plug.

Always a bummer when that happens, but I've been on for awhile so I'm not too worried.

PM: Absolutely exhausted, no running.

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From Jason D on Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 21:16:32 from 45.46.20.59

In my most of cliched of phrases, but it works for running, "onward and upward." It sounds like you weren't completely suprised given how tired you were. And it will get cooler in, what, October :-) ? Really solid long run this past weekend and several long runs close together last week or the week before.

From Mike on Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 07:04:59 from 66.249.88.183

I agree with Jason. Just transfer this to extra focus on Sunday. This is going to help more than hurt, imho. Onward and upward.

From Drew on Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 18:16:23 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys. I was tempted to try to make up for yesterday with something today, but I took Mike's advice, and felt good on an easy run.

Jason - good luck at Beach to Beacon. Quint, our friend and training partner, is heading up there too. You'll be a minute or two ahead of him but in a race like that it probably translates to dozens of people.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.500.000.000.008.50

Lunch: 8.5 miles with Mike, awesome conversation. I almost walked into my office without my shirt I was so wound up, had to run back to the parking garage.

So the month ended with a whimper, but I'm almost OK with that. I will probably never be totally good with less than optimal training.

I think the default understanding (at least mine) is that training progresses based on the way you mix up the variables (number of runs, total mileage, workouts, pace, etc). And it surely does.

But at the same time, I do believe it's also like riding a wave. There are times you will dial in the optimal ingredients and end up smashed on the ocean floor, and there are the opposites where I've eaten my own pizza and drank the beer and ran great the next day. It just doesn't always add up or conform.

That's not all to say there aren't good approaches to follow - there are - and I'm trying to set myself up as best I can for TCM. I do think it's helpful to keep that sine wave in mind, though - so one (me) doesn't freak out when a workout goes off the rails.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

AM: 11.5 miles, felt snappy after a slacky week. Preparing for the onslaught of the inlaws.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.000.000.000.0019.00

AM: 19 miles. Originally, I had today pencilled in for 24 miles @ 85% MP, around 6:45. Then I thought, why not 26? So naturally I wanted to run a marathon today.

My wife's parents were in town yesterday and things were nice. Cousins over too, all the kids running around and swimming. Rather suddenly, my older daughter threw up, and continued to do so for the next 12 hours.

My wife took the first shift with her until a little after midnight, so I got some sleep, then I took my turn. Elise finally stopped throwing up around 2:30am. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't a terrible ordeal either. She was so sick and exhausted, and all she asked for was a little water or gatorade.

I dozed a little more, everone was sleeping, then headed out to meet the group. Between the sleep deprivation and endless rain we've been getting, the run felt a bit distant and unreal. 11 or 12 miles rolled by on pace when I got a stomach cramp. I tried to recover and get back on pace, but it wasn't happening.

The rest of the day passed in a haze for everyone in the family. Looking back, I think I may have had the start of this flu on Thursday, but who knows. Kids bounce back so fast, Elise was back on her bike by lunch today.

 

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From Bret on Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 14:32:07 from 99.1.220.106

Bleah- hope you and the family get to feeling better soon.

From Rob Murphy on Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 14:48:32 from 24.10.247.181

Sorry!

This is why we use pencils for our schedules right?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles. Woke up tired with a raw stomach, rain and lightning. I checked my email and saw that my boss was advising us to work at home due to area flooding. My mood improved instantly, and I loped through a pleasant run on the treadmill.

I've been on an 80s retro trip lately (thanks Mike...I think), particularly in terms of music and games. When I get obsessed with something I tend to beat it to death, only then can I move on. I hit that point sometime last week, but I'm still bludgeoning the horse. No coincidence that my illness came on as I was burning through Peter Hook's memoir for Joy Division.

On the other hand, I've managed to avoid downloading any emulators thus far- I know where that path leads. Since the original Nintendo came out when I was in 9th grade or so, I was naturally a fan. I think I liked PC games even better though. One of my favorites was Bard's Tale, a prototypical role-playing game where you directed a party of warriors, magicians, etc. through mazes gaining weapons and experience points. The combat system was text-based, and there was a lot of combat, which ultimately meant you were spending a lot of time just grinding out stats and slowly mapping the contours of large mazes. For whatever reason, I found that much more appealing than FPS and games that required tight coordination and reflexes.

Perhaps I'm just drawing parallels because the brain seems programmed to do that, but from where I'm standing now as a distance runner I can see the similarities.

 

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From Mike on Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 12:07:28 from 24.73.33.200

All this 80s stuff is going to ruin the nostalgia! :).

One game I bet you've never played but (at least the concept) would probably fascinate you is a PC game called Spore made in 2008. Basically, you start as a single-celled organism and climb the food chain until you are sentient, then thr ruler of your planet, and eventually the ruler of the galaxy. It's a different take on an RPG as you get to "choose" the evolutionary traits of your character.

From Drew on Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 18:17:27 from 173.171.218.92

I haven't played Spore but I had a friend that was a big fan. He showed it to me once-looked awesome.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.500.003.500.0016.00

AM: 6 miles. Last night my younger daughter got her turn with the stomach flu. My wife and I are getting the barf patrol down cold at least.

PM: 10 miles. Hot flashes and nausea heading to track, but I comforted myself with the thought that I was going to one of the few public places where it's acceptable to put your hands on your knees and barf your guts out.

Today was finally a full day of sun, 90 degrees/78 DP to start with a bit of cooling into the workout. Not one of my favorites today, but most of my teammates like it: 14 X 400 WITH STOP REST AFTER EACH. 1:30 REST BETWEEN ITEMS 1 & 2, 1:20 REST BETWEEN 2 & 3, 1:10 REST BETWEEN 3 & 4, 1:00 REST AFTER 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8, THEN CONTINUE DEDUCTING 10 SECONDS PER ITEM ENDING WITH :10 BETWEEN ITEMS 13 & 14.

No blazing splits today, but Hunter, Lee and I worked well together. My goals were to stick around 75 and not throw up, so I'll call it a success.

  1. 1:17.1
  2. 1:12.4
  3. 1:15.1
  4. 1:13.4
  5. 1:14.1
  6. 1:13.3
  7. 1:14.0
  8. 1:16.7
  9. 1:14.8
  10. 1:15.3
  11. 1:15.8
  12. 1:16.9
  13. 1:17.1
  14. 1:15.9

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From jtshad on Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 08:33:50 from 141.221.191.225

Hope the family recovers from the bug soon.

Great workout...I don't think I would have made it, awesome job!

From Drew on Wed, Aug 05, 2015 at 15:07:21 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jeff - although I'll have to disagree with your self-assessment. I remember you running every morning in freezing darkness a few months back...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 7 miles, no rain!

PM: 8 miles. I woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. I think this may be the first time in my life I've got straight from stomach flu to head cold. For now, I'm going to tell myself that my body knows what it's doing - purging itself before TCM?

Late afternoon run on the treadmill, easy pace alternating incline from 1-5 to pass the time. I really need to get more hills in the next six weeks.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: Nothing. Sick wife, busy work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.005.000.000.007.00

7 miles at lunch. No AM run.

My wife and I have an intricate system in place to ensure we can be hands-on with our kids, not get fired, and run. The fatal flaw in the design is a complete lack of redundancy. So when one of us gets sick or especially busy, the whole thing can collapse like a house of cards.

On the positive side, we are on the rebound. I woke up feeling Mostly Good for the first time in over a week. I opted for a minor workout at lunch - not that there was much of a choice at noon in Florida in August. 1 warmup, 4 miles @ MP (23:40 - 5:55 avg), 1 coolodown, then 1 more MP mile since it started to pour.

On Sunday I'm going to reattempt the long steady state run from last weekend.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

0. I have no desire to write about being sick anymore, but this log will be useless if I don't write about the bad patches too.

Stomach virus continues to hang around. I felt pretty good for most of Friday. Late afternoon I even planned to move long run to Saturday AM. Planned to attack Clearwater bridges with Mike.

As I went to bed Friday night I started to feel waves of nausea, hoped it would be better. I woke up a few hours later and it was worse, so I backed out of the planned run. I like to be reliable in my training, for myself and my training partners, but it wasn't really a choice.

Most of Saturday I lay around feeling lousy. I did start reading Tales of a 4th Grade Nothing with my older daughter, which was fun. Partly because I liked those books a lot as a kid. Partly because after six years of picture books it feels like we're getting somewhere. We're starting in on Gravity's Rainbow next week.

Very gradually through the day I started feeling better, but never good. I'd probably be worried about cancer, but my wife has it too.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles. Another slog. I went to bed early and hoped to spring out of bed feeling awesome. Not so much.

Small improvement, but still weak, no appetite. Anyway, I had decided I was going to attempt the scheduled workout: 12 miles @ MP+1, then 8 @ MP (6:55 / 5:55).

As I got going, I wasn't feeling absolutely awful, which is something. But I was struggling to crack 7:00 pace without excessive effort, which was not a good sign. I ran from my place to Demen's Landing to meet up with the crew. Even though I was averaging at least 5 secs/mile too slow, I hoped Christina would have the group charged up and rocking to bring things down. Her and Quint just staggered off a cruise ship with their kids though, so we were in a similar boat, so to speak. Somewhere around mile 10 I just gave up and went into full slog mode. I tried a clever route home through Venetian Isle, and got lost.

So, on one hand this all sounds pretty bad. 8 weeks out from TCM now, and no serious workouts in the last two weeks. I'm doomed!

On the other, I remember I also got stomach flu last year at this exact time. And I also remember I recovered well enough to run one of my best races of last season in late September. Even though I haven't run high quality, I've kept up the running and have put in some minor workouts. I don't think I've lost too much, although I don't feel that sharp edge right now.

So in a nutshell, I'll postpone the major freakout for another week or so. It's also a bit out of my hands. I got as much sleep as possible last week, ate well...I just need my body to kick this thing.

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From Jason D on Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 22:36:50 from 68.80.27.222

I think you'll be just fine. You are the most consistent long runner logger on the blog (if I were giving awards) and getting in many 20 milers can go along way. You definitely need long runs with goal pace miles and you already have some of those. Still plenty of time to get in some more.

From Mike on Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 05:28:22 from 24.73.33.200

I agree with Jason. Not to mention, you've got the most important long one (10 mp+1, 10mp) coming up still that you'll nail. Not to mention six weeks of specific tempos before it... "It ain't over 'til it's over!"- YB

From Drew on Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 08:35:42 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the positivity, it is coming in handy today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Meditation Monday. Originally this week was planned as a down week capped by a track 5000 on Saturday. On the surface, dropping a short track race into this stage of marathon training seems out of place.

Beside synching up with the down week, my reason is that I find interjecting these short, fast races every 5-6 weeks helps reset my marathon pace.

I need the majority of my workouts now to be tough and specific. These workouts are hard in the best of conditions, and the conditions in FL right now are pretty far from ideal. I do think it's possible to get them done, but for me one of the keys is running a whole lot faster, even just for 5k.

At this point though, if the best I can manage is a mediocre 5000, I'd probably be better off running mediocre marathon workouts late this week and weekend. I do feel a lot better today, hopefully it will stick.

I'm planning to run 3x1 mile at track tomorrow. That should clarify where things stand.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.001.000.0013.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 7 miles at track. The session didn't go as I envisioned, but that was not a bad thing.

As I was leaving my house, I got a text from Lee informing me that Jon Mott would be joining us tonight. Jon lives about 100 miles from St. Pete, and drops in on our group about once a year. When he does, it always creates a stir because he is currently the fastest marathon runner in Florida. This past January, he ran 2:18:12 in Houston. Having the opportunity to run with someone like that is a huge draw for me, so I chucked my planned workout and decided to just get in whatever I could with him.

I knew Jon was showing up on the late side, so I sat around for awhile. Eventually I did a short warmup, then ran 3x1 mile with a slower group at 6:50, 6:40, 6:30.

Just as I was beginning to pack it in, Jon arrived. We went through his warmup and caught up. His plan was 6x1 mile in the 4:40-4:50 range, although he recalibrated a bit after warming up. The conditions today were ridiculous (91 F/79 DP). I ran the first mile with him in 4:57, grateful for the built-in excuse to bow out.

It was interesting to see his approach and idiosyncrasies when running an interval workout. I wish he lived closer.

I did decide tonight to skip the 5000 on Saturday. I felt alright today - maybe not 100%, but good enough to bring my focus back to my marathon plan. Hopefully today will give me the spark I was looking for in Saturday's race. Since I wasn't planning on marathon workouts this week, skipping the race will help get me back on track.

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From Bret on Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 14:22:22 from 216.234.133.229

Very cool Drew. Curious...did he complete the workout of 6 x mile at that same effort?

From Drew on Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 15:34:09 from 24.73.66.122

Yeah - it was pretty awesome watching him get to work, Bret. I didn't explain too well, but I ran out of time and had to split right after my mile with Jon, so I missed everything after that.

Quint stuck around and watched him knock out 3 more repeats, at least as fast - I have little doubt he made it through all of them.

The awesome thing about running with him was that normally I'd have to be 100% focused to run a mile like that. This time I just shut off my brain and chased him. Very cool guy on top of it all.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

I finally succumbed and started reading Born To Run. There's a local eccentric who runs endless circuits up and down the Pinellas Trail in flip-flops, carrying a staff.

Just background info in case my training takes a sudden detour.

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From Mike on Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:06:34 from 24.73.33.200

That was a great read! What an interesting guy.

From Bret on Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 14:21:10 from 216.234.133.229

I have met the flip flop man...

From Drew on Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 15:41:28 from 24.73.66.122

Haha...I have run with him a couple times as well. He seems to have a thing for the Holiday Halfathon - maybe because it's his home turf.

I know he's a sympathetic soul, but I can never feel totally comfortable about a crazy looking guy running at me wielding a stick.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.0010.000.000.0012.00

AM: 12 miles. 81 F / 76 DP. Ran 10 miles @ MP for 58:57 (5:54 avg). Felt relieved to finally hit a good workout again after two weeks of illness. Effort was higher than marathon pace should be, but I'll take it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.004.000.000.0016.00

AM: 7.5 miles.

PM: 8.5 miles. I was tired after yesterday's tempo, but not beat up. Sunday is the next hard long run - I thought today to throw in a very light workout.

After a half mile warmup, I did 8 miles alternating MP/Easy Pace every .5, which was really fun. Some quicker running, but not enough to really hurt. MP was sub 5:55 mile avg, easy today was between 7:30-8:00.

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 10 miles. Uh, wha...??? Today was the least humid August morning I can ever recall in FL.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
27.000.000.000.0027.00

AM: 27 miles. After a short warmup, ran 26.2 steady-state in 2:54:31.

I was looking for at least 85% of MP (sub-6:45), ended up averaging 6:39. Really nice weather again this morning. It took about 8 miles to settle in, but after that I felt pretty comfortable the rest of the way.

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From jtshad on Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:26:25 from 173.198.176.201

Great run!

From Bret on Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 19:24:33 from 99.1.220.106

Nice job Drew!

From Drew on Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:00:25 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks guys. I felt pretty good yesterday, but I was not moving fast today, to say the least.

I recently read that Jeffrey Eggleston ran 40k at 93% of MP. Yikes!

From Jason D on Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 19:31:26 from 68.80.27.222

I imagine it felt good to get this one in!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 6 slow miles.

PM: 8 sun blasted miles with Quint at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.003.000.001.0017.00

AM: 7 miles.

PM: 10 miles at track. 3 x 1 mile repeats with Quint (5:58, 5:57, 5:51) with 1/4 mile rest. Then we hit the trail and ran 10 "hill repeats" on an overpass. The length was about 1/10 of a mile, grade was a bit more than 2%. Wimpy, I know, but that's what we have to work with. Effort was pretty much full-out. Mike and his friend joined in midway and blew my doors off.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 0.

PM: 4 miles.

Sunday's long run and Tuesday's bridge sprints left me pretty worked over. I have plans for a hard tempo tomorrow and a tough long run on Sunday, so I decided to take it very easy today to catch up.

Kind of regret losing momentum with the mileage this week, but I have to focus on the quality right now, when there's a choice.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.006.000.0017.50

AM: 10 miles, with 6 miles in 32:57 (5:29.5 avg). This workout was set as my hardest sub-MP run of this cycle. My target was 5:30.

As usual, I warmed up down to Northshore Pool. I have a new pre-tempo routine that has worked so far - I catch my breath, and let the fear and doubt kicking around my psyche work its way through. When I finally achieve some version of calm, I kick it in. I think this has helped me. A lot of junk gets stuck in my head before hard workouts.

After about a quarter mile I check my pace. This is a tense moment, because I need to see a pace that makes sense in relation to the effort, and this morning the effort was high very quickly. Thankfully, I was in the low 5:20s, so I settled in and focused. I was a bit under target for miles 1 & 2.

I struggled on miles 3 & 4, running both a couple seconds above 5:30. The cowardly and weak side of my brain fed me a steady supply of excuses: "You're missing your targets, may as well pull the plug and save your energy for Sunday. It's too humid. You are low on sleep. You probably can't do this. This is way below marathon pace, no need to bother with this. Feel that twinge? Could be something..." I entertained these thoughts for awhile, but the time for excuses is over. I told myself I'd run 6 miles as fast as I could, even if it was over target pace, and the fear and doubt eased off.

The pace was hard, but it was just as much a struggle in the conditions. I have never run sub 5:30 pace on a 6 mile tempo run, and I have never exceeded a tempo workout PR during the summer, so this was a stretch in multiple directions. I managed to get my pace back under 5:30 for the last two miles, with my last mile being the best one in 5:26.

I don't want to put any more positive weight on this workout than I would a failed tempo. However, I do want to use it to harden my resolve for the final month of training before TCM. Nothing is guaranteed, but I have arrived at where I wanted to be three months ago, and I have the potential now to bring things together. Sunday I have 10 miles MP+1:00 / 10 miles MP on tap.

PM: 7.5 with Quint at lunch.

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From Jason D on Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 09:16:04 from 66.227.95.241

6 miles at true tempo pace is tough. I'm usually popping champagne when I run an honest 5. An excellent post on the mind of a runner too. Love the pause after the warmup. I tend to go straight into a workout these days but I think for non-marathon specific stuff the pause makes sense.

From Bret on Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:58:00 from 216.234.133.229

Nice job Drew - seems like you are right on track.

From Drew on Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 13:13:06 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys! Feeling good today, now for tomorrow...

From Mike on Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 06:33:30 from 24.73.33.200

Wow Drew, I knew you had this in you, but glad to see it came together none-the-less. Incredible workout!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.500.000.000.009.50

AM: 6.5 miles.

PM: 3 miles.

Crazy day with my younger daughter's 4th birthday party, 20 of her closest friends and the inlaws in town. She had a good time, and everyone should on their birthday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.008.000.000.0022.00

AM: 22 miles. Workout today was 10 miles MP+1:00, 10 miles MP, with an easy mile warmup and cooldown on either end.

I opted to run this on the Pinellas Trail today as an out and back. With 6 or 7 overpasses in each direction, it's at least some simulation of a rolling course like TCM.

I'm really lucky to have friends like Mike and Christina. Christina ran most of the first leg up with me at a little under 6:55 pace. I met Mike very close to the turnaround and he helped pace me on the way down.

The first half felt pretty good. The MP return was hard. Unlike Friday, which was a concentration game and mental grind- this was just raw physical struggle, and it was a struggle I ultimately lost. Not badly- although I missed my ultimate goal on the workout, I got most of what I was looking for.

We were well on target for the first six miles of MP, a bit under 5:55, but mile 7 had two overpasses and I couldn't stay on pace. Mile 8 was worse - I was pretty much done, clocking a 6:16 mile. At that point I decided to fold for the day.

Usually I get pretty bummed about missing a workout target, but this is historically a very hard workout for me. I do feel like I got a lot out of the effort today, and it did expose a weakness I need to focus on this month - my hill running is really pretty poor.

I have a couple more opportunities for hard long runs on the trail before my marathon, so I will be back, and I think I can do better.

Splits today were:

10 miles: 1:08:40 (6:52 avg)

8 miles: 47:40 (5:57.5 avg)

 

 

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From Bret on Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 14:37:28 from 99.1.220.106

That's a really good workout Drew - and it's good to keep in mind how tough and how well you did just 48 hours earlier. I think you've got good perspective and glad you feel reasonably pleased about the effort - as I think you should.

From Drew on Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 16:51:41 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Bret, that's appreciated. I think reasonably pleased is just about right.

If every tough workout fired off perfectly, maybe the aim would be too low.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM:8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch.

Elise is a 1st grader today. She asked me to sit down on the couch and talk with her this morning. The topic was the eternal question: "What if people are mean?"

A lot of computer guys dabble in stocks, so the mood is grim here this morning. In my case, 2001 cured me of that temptation.

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From steve ash on Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 15:55:58 from 67.2.88.228

There is nothing wrong investing in stocks. As long as you know the fundamentals of the companies your investing in. Warren Buffet is a great example of that. He wasn't always right, but more times than not he was.. Something to think about anyway.

From Rob Murphy on Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 16:28:15 from 163.248.33.220

It is now time to sell according to the old adage, "buy high, sell low".

You're welcome.

From steve ash on Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 16:37:31 from 67.2.88.228

Yes.. LOL..

From Drew on Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 17:45:32 from 173.171.218.92

Rob- I got that one down - at least the buy angle. I don't know anyone else who managed to perfectly time the stock bubble in 2001 (although I didn't have much money to lose) as well as the housing bubble in 2005 (when I bought my house in FL). I'm sure I wasn't the only one, but I'm a pretty good reverse barometer.

Steve - you're right, of course. I'm still kicking myself for not buying Chipotle stock years ago - I've eaten enough of their burritos to keep a franchise in business.

From Mike on Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 22:02:21 from 24.73.33.200

These comments are too funny

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.004.000.0013.00

AM: 5 miles.

PM: 8 miles at track. A very stressful day - back to school madness, client meltdowns and car repairs. By the time I got to track I was mentally shredded. If it wasn't for the people out there, I would have probably bagged it.

Workout: 1 X 1 MILE, 400 REST, 1 X 1200, 400 REST, 800 WITH 200 REST 800 WITH 400     REST, 4 X 400 WITH 200 REST

It was brutally hot, so we decided to focus on solid effort and consistent pacing. Mike did most of the work, with Hunter leading the charge on the mile & 1200. Splits:

Mile: 5:18.7
1200: 3:56.8
800s: 2:37.1, 2:33.8
400s: 1:17.3, 1:18.6, 1:15.9, 1:12.2

I'll take it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

AM: 9 miles. Met with a good-sized group downtown. Christina had a 5 mile cutdown scheduled, we averaged about 6:30.

I read about a new synthetic drug called flakka which causes rapid spikes in body temperature, heart palpitations and intense paranoia. I have to shake my head and wonder why anyone would pay money for dangerous chemicals when you can get the same effects by running during the summer in Florida for free.

PM: 0. Everything went off the rails at work this afternoon, no running. As an added bonus, I get to travel to Glen Burnie, MD next week. Apologies to anyone harboring idyllic childhood memories, but based on my last visit, one was enough.

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From jtshad on Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:04:49 from 173.198.176.201

Exercising is too hard...everybody wants something for nothing nowadays.

Nice run!

From Tom K on Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:33:50 from 66.87.123.128

60 miles by Wednesday? Fantastic!

We should start a "free flakka" running club.

From Drew on Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 17:55:33 from 173.171.218.92

Jeff/Tom - you may have hit on the newest running trend. It would catch on here in FL at least.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 3 mile run, lightning on the ground = early turnaround.

PM: 8 miles with Quint at lunch.

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From Mike on Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 06:52:54 from 168.213.5.107

Nice rhyme scheme ;)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.005.000.0019.00

AM: 13 miles. 2 warmup, 10 mile wave tempo in 58:55, 1 cooldown.

Goal of the workout today was alternating miles at 4% above MP, 4% below, which works out to 6:10 / 5:40.

  1. 6:09 / 5:38
  2. 6:09 / 5:40
  3. 6:06 / 5:40
  4. 6:09 / 5:38
  5. 6:09 / 5:36

PM: 6 miles easy with Quint.

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From Jason D on Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 07:19:00 from 68.80.27.222

Yes, sir! I will sometimes do a 10k wave tempo alternating ks @ HMP then recovering at MP 10 days out from a marathon. It's not easy.

I like that this version gets you some volume at paces we don't typically train at or at least not in the same workout. You also knocked out a 10-mile tempo at marathon pace the hard way :-)

I'll steal this if I get ambitious and want to break away from my steady diet of 8 mile MP down to steady state pace.

From Drew on Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 13:58:45 from 173.171.218.92

Hey Jason, here's where I stole it from: http://maximumperformancerunning.blogspot.com/2013/04/my-secret-weapon-threshold-workout.html

This was my first time doing the "AT" version. My track club runs a variant of the LT wave tempo similar to yours...4-6 miles alternating 10k and MP every 1/2 mile. Personally, I find that harder than today's workout.

Another thing I found interesting- I did steady 10 mile MP tempo a couple weeks ago and found that slightly harder than this approach with faster and slower miles alternating. I'm sure there's a breakeven point (probably very shortly after 10 miles) that would make pacing like this a Bad Thing.

From Jason D on Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 16:50:21 from 68.80.27.222

Thanks. I just put the 5 mile version on schedule as one of my LT workouts. Trying to work on longer efforts at LT this buildup rather than just doing mostly 1 and 2 mile repeats, which have served me fine in the past but I want to run a sizable half PR, which should also help me run a sizable marathon PR when I combine the longer LT stuff with my marathon specific stuff.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

AM: 10 miles.

PM: 5 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
22.000.000.000.0022.00

AM: 20 miles, 7:06 avg. Met Mike for the Clearwater bridge tour - pretty much the best hill simulation you can get in Tampa Bay. In an 8 mile radius are three big ones. We started easy and worked into it. I'd really like to do this run once more before Twin Cities.

PM: 2 miles with Elise on her bike.

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From Bret on Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 20:31:23 from 107.77.85.128

I miss that route. Recall doing a run with you and Richie down there a few years ago. Nice effort today Drew.

From Drew on Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:31:34 from 72.29.197.23

Almost the same route, Bret! That was a great run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: Early flight into BWI near Baltimore. Busy day at client site.

PM: 12 miles. Great find- there's an 11 mile trail circling BWI within a stone's throw of my hotel. For a trail running around an airport it's very nice. Gently rolling and cuts into little wooded glens off and on through the loop. Only problem is no water to be found. It is also such a relief to be running in cooler air.

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From Mike on Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:51:17 from 24.73.33.200

Rub in the weather, why don't you? Go find some hills! :)

From Drew on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 06:16:21 from 72.29.197.23

Will do! Stay dry, looks nasty back home.

From jtshad on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 16:12:52 from 141.221.191.225

The BWI trail is a good trail to run on, I have done many miles there. Also, a short drive away is the B&A trail, another good option.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 12 miles, another BWI loop.

PM: 6 miles after work. A long day at the client - the intricacies of managing health care data never cease to amaze me. I often find myself in conversations when HealthCare.gov comes up and is cited as an example of Gubamint Fail. The task of mapping the innumerable entities involved in health care enrollments and claim processing to each other is so vast that immediate success would require a miracle. The structure of the records is inherently complex - if any simplication can be made to the entire system it will require a reduction in the number of entities in the care management landscape. This is why most industrialized nations have some version of a single-payer.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

Wednesday evening ruminations. Normally I don’t have enough time to think through the things I write on here. So I just post whatever seems apropos at the moment. Since I’m traveling this week, I have enough time to slow down and think a bit.

I ran another 12 miles on the BWI loop after work. When I woke up this morning, I didn’t run and thought I should probably take a day off. I’ve been feeling a little beat up and unrecovered each day – normal signs that an off day is needed. Work was long and stressful, and as I was driving back to my hotel I saw many cyclists and runners on the trail. It hit home that I really wanted to be out there. If I was a professional runner, it would be my job to make the 100% logical decision and focus on recovery. Since I’m not a professional runner, I ran the loop at a decent clip and had a great time.

It’s easy when training for a goal race to think that it’s the gravitational center of my running. But it’s not. Even when one of those rare great races transpires, the value of that moment is limited. You can go back and caress the medal every day, but the moment constantly recedes.

On the other hand, the process of training gives you a well you can return to. Today, I knew I should probably recover, but what I really wanted to do was run 12 miles at a decent clip and just enjoy the ride. Getting into that flow is something very few people have access to, unfortunately. It’s one of the best mind-body connections you can have without illicit substances.

Going back to recovery- normally by Wednesday I’d have done a workout. I’ve been holding off because I’m planning to do my peak workout (16 miles @ MP) on the BWI loop before work on Friday. I expect this to be challenging, and I need every edge I can get.

On the matter of plans, I’m mostly convinced the above is the right thing to do, but I have my doubts. I would hope that anyone reading this, who happens to disagree, would feel free to do so. The topic of disagreement is on my mind since I’m currently working with a client in a role that requires mediation. Often, programmers code a process and become attached to that design. Critiquing the design is akin to critiquing the person’s intelligence, merit, value, etc. I have always had a disconnect with ideas – I feel that they can and should be debated separately from value judgments about the parties involved. There are lines of course – you don’t engage in personal insults in an ideas discussion. But why would you, if the debate is about ideas?

Going back to my plan for Friday – I’ve been scoping the loop on my easy runs for places to plant water bottles, best start location, etc. Although I’ve done a few 10 mile MP runs, I’m pretty unsure about my prospects here. This loop is mostly flat but does have enough roll that I’m concerned my lack of hill training will be exposed. I have enough thoughts on that for another post, so I’ll end there.

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From Mike on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 11:31:18 from 168.213.5.107

I think you should go for it tomorrow and see how it feels. Gear up for it, but remind yourself that you can do the workout this weekend or next week if need be. It's in your best interest to try to get it done in that weather although, so I again say, go for it.

From Jason D on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 11:56:29 from 139.84.48.251

An excellent post, Drew.

I think 16 at MP is tough, but for a runner of your caliber I think it's a good peak workout. 4 weeks out sounds about right to me. 3 weeks might be too close.

I did a 24 miler with a half marathon tempo after 10 miles 3 weeks out from a marathon. Don't make that mistake :-) I'm not sure it was my downfall but it didn't help and it was too close.

From jtshad on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 13:20:54 from 141.221.191.225

I agree with Mike and Jason that you have the base and capability to go for this workout. If you are not feeling it, you can pull the plug and you still have another weekend to try a workout/long run.

Good ponderings...you are at that point in your training where you will feel tired and you know best the capability/balance of recovery and training. Each person is different in this, but the training when you are tired pays off (as long as it doesn't lead to injury). You are a smart enough runner to tell the difference. Plus, as you indicate, the run in sometimes necessary for a multitude of reasons!

From Jake K on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 14:11:15 from 199.190.170.29

Drew - I've done the 16 @ MP (or close to it, 97-100%) several times. Jason is right - 3 weeks is too close. I did it 3.5 weeks out once, that turned out fine... those extra 3 days make a difference with a workout like this.

The other thing I'd recommend - take an extra day or two of recovery after... 4 easier days minimum. Treat it like a long race (it is, in some ways). I've gotten more out of it when I gave myself more rest. I've always done it on an empty tank, but that may not be a great idea.

Run with music if you can... it takes a lot of mental energy to dial-in for 90-100 minutes. Save that for the marathon, when you really need it.

And obviously do 16.3 miles (26.2K) if you are feeling good :-)

From Drew on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:50:11 from 108.12.189.32

Hey guys - thank you very much for both the supportive comments and the excellent advice. I incorporated as much of it as possible (and plan to take it easy for at least 4 days as Jake recommended).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off. Busy, but mostly off just because I really needed it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.7016.300.000.0019.00

I did the only-slightly-famous marathon Simulator workout today, 16.3 miles at target MP. I did a warmup of just under 3 miles.

Normally this would be a weekend long run, but since I'm wrapping up work in Glen Burnie, MD (just south of Baltimore) it made sense to do it here. My loop had some minor roll, to better simulate the Twin Cities course. And selfishly, my start temps today were 72 F / 69 DP. Not comfortable running weather, but after 3 months where the morning baseline is about 78 F / 75 DP, these conditions felt a whole lot better.

I'm relieved to say it went really well. I held up on the ups & downs, and the pace felt manageable. I did notice a decent uptick in level of effort around mile 14, so I was glad to stop when I did. Probably the hardest thing with this workout is maintaining focus - I found my mind drifting and pace slowing pretty frequently. Time was 1:36:29 for 16.3 miles, right about my 5:55 target.

Thankfully, now I can go to the airport now and look for someplace to sleep.

Comments
From Mike on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 18:30:53 from 24.73.33.200

Your little girls are gonna be so stoked to see you! Hopefully they are still up!

From Jason D on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 18:56:45 from 68.80.27.222

Fantastic. I imagine the conditions will be much cooler at Twin Cities.

From Rob Murphy on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 19:15:23 from 24.10.247.181

Nice work. Having lived in Minneapolis for a couple years, I can tell you that it can be anywhere between 30 and 90 in early October.

From Bret on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 09:26:57 from 99.1.220.106

Great to hear the workout went well Drew. You've consistently hit the majority of your big workouts it seems in this cycle. Great confidence should be building with how well you have been running.

From Drew on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 17:38:30 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys.

Rob - so it sounds like I can count on total uncertainty. Excellent! Minneapolis seems like a nice place to live for a couple years.

Bret - so far so good. I've got a couple workouts I'd like another swing at in the next two weeks, we'll see. I do feel confident that I can get to the starting line with the potential to hit my goal, which is about all you can hope for.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

8 miles. It's good to be home. I didn't run until close to noon, when the girls headed to a classmate's party. I ran on the Miesner Bridge for the first time in ages. It's quite overgrown along the path - pretty cool. I was running slow, but I hit the bridge to keep rolling terrain in my diet. I'm going to try to do that as much as possible over the next couple weeks.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

AM: 13.5 miles. Met the Sunday run group late to get a little extra rest. The rumors are true, our long-lost training Sean has returned from injury. He's a great guy & runner, and it was good to see him back. I'm feeling pretty well overall since Friday, but drained. Once we turned into Brightwaters, Mike and Sean turned on the jets and I stayed back with Christina, who was still running much faster than I would have preferred.

At home, I brainstormed with the girls - what to do for Labor Day? Elise suggested making pumpkin pie - not traditional, but anything involving food sounds good to me nowadays. We headed to the store with a long list of ingredients - a lot of our old spices got tossed in the move. We bought everything but cardamom - I couldn't justify $10 for a 1/4 teaspoon of that. Compared to homemade ice cream, the sugar is manageable, but you are looking at a solid cup and a half of heavy cream.

PM: 3.5 miles with Elise on her bike before the daily thunderstorm rolled in.

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From Snakemoney on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:56:40 from 155.91.45.229

wow, your running PR's are pretty wicked fast, especially considering your long break.

did you really only run 46 miles last year or just logged from here at the end of the year? most likely i have my answer. i clicked because i wanted to see someone who has ran way less the previous year.

good luck with everything.

From Drew on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 18:59:51 from 173.171.218.92

Hey SM-thanks for the kind words. Yeah, just signed up at the end of the year, kind of a New Year's resolution.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 8 miles, another easy bridge run. This time with Quint on the Pinellas Bayway.

PM: 4 miles at night after putting the girls down. I really don't like running after dinner, but this was the only time left. Beautiful evening pretty much made up for a gut full of potato salad and pumpkin pie. Strides.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.004.000.000.0014.00

AM: 5 miles on the TM, easy, some incline running from 1-5.

PM: 9 miles. Went out to track, said hello to the group, then headed north on the Pinellas Trail. In a certain section a bit north of 22nd St. you run into two overpasses within one mile, so I did 2 x 2 miles at MP on that section. I'd head out for a mile, then return- so I ended up with 8 overpasses total.

Splits for both repeats were 11:46, ~5:53 per mile avg, with a 5 minute standing rest. I felt pretty good on the inclines. Initially I was thinking more like 6 miles, but the conditions were bad - 88 F / 79 DP with no shade on the ramps - it felt like the beating from the conditions would take more than conditioning would give beyond what I ran today.

Another minor hill workout of some kind, probably Thurs, then I am going to re-attempt 10 MP+1 / 10 MP on Sunday. Actually, I'm not going to re-attempt the workout, I'm going to crush it. :P

Yeah, it's just a mental gimmick, but you gotta pull whatever you can at this stage.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 9 miles.

PM: 4 miles, treadmill hills.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.003.000.000.0014.00

AM: 8.5 miles on Pinellas Bayway. Ran 8 bridge repeats at steady effort on the climbs, recovered on the descents. My average pace on the climbs was ~6:05. Ideally, I'd love to hit 5:55 for every mile at Twin Cities, but realistically if I could hold onto 6:05 up Summit Ave I'd be pretty happy.

PM: 5.5 miles.

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From jtshad on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 08:40:38 from 141.221.191.225

Summit Ave. is tougher than it appears...mostly due to its location. It can be conquered. Hope your weather this year is better than the two times I have run this race.

Good luck! Keep up the good training.

From Drew on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 08:44:23 from 173.171.218.92

Jeff, one question I'd ask - from the elevation chart it looks like the climb is over by mile 23.5, but I've seen a lot of race reports that describe the climb as continuing almost to the end. What's your take?

From jtshad on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 08:49:31 from 141.221.191.225

The climb pretty much goes all the way up the Cathedral of Saint Paul. There is some areas that flatten out a bit, but the climb is long. The last 0.5M from the cathedral to the finish line is a fast downhill though!

From Jason D on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 20:00:20 from 68.80.27.222

That profile does seem deceiving. I sometimes Google Map and "walk" around but that tends to be deceiving as well since you can't really judge grades unless they are quite steep.

I found the following. I doubt it will tell you much but it does show a well run race slightly faster than your goal pace and how this fella tackled the harder late miles (he ran around 6:00-6:05 and 5:48 overall). As I ran my cursor over the late miles it seems the elevation jumps up and down around 915-930 feet

https://www.strava.com/activities/210892923/overview

From Drew on Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 06:37:49 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks Jason - that's extremely helpful! A lot to take away there. That guy did run an excellent race - very much in line with the approach I'm hoping to be able to bring. At least one paper, the hill in mile 2-3 is not much steeper than the hill at mile 21, but it seems like most people blow through the early hill like it's nothing. It seems like it will be important to get to mile 20 with a good reserve in the tank, and then just concede some pace from 20-23. Hopefully get back on pace for the final ~5k like that guy did. Sounds so easy from an armchair!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 12 miles. I usually have no trouble sleeping, but accumulated work stress caught up with me last night and I tossed and turned most of the night. I previously committed to helping Christina with her workout today, so that kept me honest. Or sleep-deprived, depending on how you look at it. 2 miles warmup, then 10 miles steady @ 6:56 pace.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint, who was also exhausted, in late from Atlanta. We haven't had a chance to catch up much in the last couple weeks due to logistics, so the run actually flew by.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 6 miles easy on Miesner Bridge. Heavy air with light rain gave way to a steady downpour, patches of cold air and lightning blowing through.

PM: 6 miles, two with Elise on her bike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.0010.000.000.0022.00

Take 2 on a workout that fizzled out three weeks ago. Target was 1 warmup, 10 miles at MP + 1:00, 10 miles at MP, 1 cooldown.

Last time the MP section was a struggle immediately, and I blew up pretty badly around mile 7. I felt confident this time out - before I ran on the Pinellas Trail, with 7 overpasses on the way out, 7 back. I've done a lot of running on inclines in the last three weeks, and the uphill running today was a lot less taxing. Most importantly, conditions were much better. Lots of clouds, lower temps and humidity. We even got drenched in a couple downpours.

Quint and Christina ran the first half out with me, and a couple other friends jumped in near my turnaround. At points it felt a little chaotic in the darkness and rain, but it was a fun time and the pace felt easy. First 10 in 1:08:42, 6:52 avg.

It took a couple miles to really click into MP on the way back, but that seems to be the case in most of my runs around 5:55 these days. It works itself out by mile 3, so I don't force it. I felt as strong on the second half as I have all summer at this pace, and ended in 58:45, 5:52 avg. That's about 10 seconds faster than I ran either of my mid-week 10 mile MP tempo runs.

I think I have gotten a bit sharper, but I attribute most of the improvement today to better weather.

Comments
From Bret on Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 16:24:05 from 12.54.87.3

Great workout Drew. But you already know that. Stay healthy -don't do anything foolish between now and race day and you should have all you need for a nice result.

From Drew on Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 17:35:50 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Bret - I feel the same way. Plenty of non-stupidity planned. At this point, nothing much is changing anyway.

From Jason D on Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 20:00:27 from 68.80.27.222

Fine work, Drew. I saw this one as I was headed out for my workout, wishing I was doing some tempo miles myself but the legs and body were tired and that's the plan for next weekend.

The weather does make a difference. I am enjoying it even if it almost feels too soon. I imagine in Florida it can't come soon enough.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 4 miles. Very nice temps this morning, but not moving fast.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

PM: 12 miles. Crazy day, but overall positive. No chance to run until track. I wasn't planning on running hard, but I was surprised by how beat up I felt today. Funny how the day after a big workout can feel OK, but two days later it's ouchville.

Just jogged and caught up with Charles and Jim. I thought about crossing the street to the Pinellas Trail and running a few overpasses, but even that sounded like too much.

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From Mike on Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 06:25:58 from 168.213.5.107

Really missed you guys today! Overpasses would have been nice on my end too.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off. Not planned, but it made sense. I worked late, and had a crazy day, so the extra time came in handy. I also pretty ragged on my afternoon run yesterday.

An interesting thing happened at work today. A client lost the admin password to their SQL Server, and had no other account with admin access on the machine. I had read about a method of elevating privileges and got to try it. I was kind of surprised that it worked. I'm glad it did, but the implication that anyone with admin access on the host machine can gain admin access to the database instance is pretty crazy.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.501.501.500.0015.50

AM: 9 miles. My plan for today was a 6 mile wave tempo alternating 10k / MP every 1/2 mile.  This is a tough workout, and I was feeling pretty broken down and amotivated this morning, but I gave it a try. My target splits were 2:57.5 / 2:36. I got through 3 miles and threw in the towel.

2:56.2 / 2:40
2:58.0 / 2:39.8
2:58.0 / 2:42.7

I felt pretty comfortable recovering to MP, but I haven't run much at all sub-5:20 lately, and it showed. I'm not worried (maybe too unconcerned?) about it. It would have been nice to hit this workout, but after 4-5 weeks of good workouts I'm due for some downtime, and taper etc.

PM: 6.5 miles at lunch with Quint, good therapy session / blowing off steam.

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From Jason D on Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:01:23 from 139.84.48.251

That is a tough one. 10k pace seems quite fast for a workout like this, but I know that's how the Hadley math works out. 6 miles at consistent HMP is tough.

Nothing much to worry about. If you ran a 5k this weekend you would likely have a tough time running anything close to what would satisfy you. You have successfully unlocked "marathoner legs achievement" :-)

Things are getting close now.

From Drew on Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:38:00 from 24.73.66.122

LOL - yes, that is probably the best way to look at it!

10k pace alternating for 6 miles is pretty close to the most aggressive interpretation of the workout, so it's not shocking it didn't work out today. A wiser person than myself might have scaled back to alternating 15k pace for 5 miles and got a better workout in.

From Bret on Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 17:18:26 from 99.1.220.106

Was traveling and missed seeing this Drew - I think you've gotten the proper perspective from Jason's comment and your own. The race day will be upon you in no time - keeping fresh and healthy is the key at this point.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.001.500.007.50

Headed to work early to finish proposal, was done by 3. Met Quint in downtown St. Pete for a run - we decided to do our descending 1/2 mile game. No looking at your watch except when it beeps every half mile, and every half needs to be faster, or GAME OVER.

About midway through we ran into Sean. He resumed full training three weeks ago (injury recovery), ran the Eerie Marathon in 2:47 last weekend, and came along with us for descending halves. He's a beast.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

Elise's first swim meet. A lot to take in as a parent. I'm not sure if it always works out the way it did Saturday, but parents are expected to volunteer. I chose concessions since it seemed the hardest to mess up. This meant arriving at 6:30am and finishing at 1. Somewhere in there, Elise swam two races which lasted a little over 30 seconds each.

Crashed for an hour, then moderate 8 miles, fed, bathed kids, babysitter arrived, dinner with Allison.

Not really a great week training-wise, but there was a lot going on.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 18 miles running the Clearwater Bridge Loop with Mike, Quint and Cory. It was a good time, although I was a little tired and sore. I got 6 bridge ascents with a couple of them being good quality.

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From Mike on Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 16:55:02 from 168.213.5.107

Sorry it wasn't as successful as the last time we did bridges! You both really helped Cory, so he truly appreciated it. He couldn't climb stairs the rest of the day though, haha.

From Drew on Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 17:49:22 from 24.73.66.122

No way - if we were any more successful I would have been limping today!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

8 miles with Quint at lunch. It was very hot, but noticeably less humid.

4 miles after work, feeling like Florida fall.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.004.000.0013.00

AM: 4 miles. After two nights of solid sleep and calmer mind, I'm feeling a whole lot better today. 800s at track tonight to sharpen up.

PM: 9 miles at track. I usually run 800s about 1.5 weeks out from a marathon as a sharpener. Mike was kind enough to make the drive and meet up.

My legs felt like lead on the warmup, and the early going in the workout was tough. I just do not have much top-end speed right now. I started falling off on the second and third repeat, but then made it over the hump and started running a bit more fluidly. By the end I felt at least some of the dust was blown off, a good feeling.

Workout was: 4 X 800 WITH 200 REST, 2 SETS WITH 400 REST BETWEEN SETS

Splits:

2:30.4
2:32.2
2:33.1
2:29.6

2:29.4
2:30.0
2:31.4
2:28.3

 

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From Bret on Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 17:53:47 from 216.234.133.229

Sleep is often overlooked as a key to fitness. Glad you are feeling better.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

8 slow miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 3 miles at lunch.

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From Mike on Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:19:00 from 168.213.5.107

I made "Drew coffee" this morning. I can't decide whether I want to start working for the day... Or light things on fire and scale large buildings with my bare hands...

The decisions of life.

From Drew on Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:45:06 from 24.73.66.122

Been there! While the second option has its appeal, there's always remorse.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.002.002.000.0015.00

AM: 9 miles, moderate fartlek. My legs feel like junk, sore left hip and hamstring. This is absolutely normal for the beginning of a taper for me, so right on track.

Probably because it's darker in the morning, I was almost hit three separate times while running. For good measure, someone tried to merge into me during the morning commute. Bring on the robot cars.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

AM: 7 miles, felt decent.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

AM: 14 miles, easy to moderate. A strange mix of peaceful recovery, self-doubt, static noise and expectation. Taper madness.

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From Jason D on Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:23:16 from 68.80.27.222

Sounds like everything is normal over there in St Pete for you, Drew. :-) All this stuff is normal as you know. Take some time to look back over your fall training and you'll build confidence.

There's a research paper on the psychological effects of tapering to be done if there isn't much out there. I am sure there is. Thankfully it's not my area so I don't have to write that one, but when I get some time I'd like to poke around at the research.

From Drew on Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 06:41:20 from 24.73.66.122

Yep! Just the standard insanity. Looking forward to a couple days off work in any case.

From Mike on Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 07:58:31 from 24.73.33.200

Here's a good scholarly one that also includes the importance of tapering:

http://bodymechanics.info/files/1_multipart_xF8FF_2_Tapering_Review_by_Mujika_and_Padilla.pdf

"MUJIKA, I., and S. PADILLA. Scientific Bases for Precompetition Tapering Strategies. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc., Vol. 35, No. 7, pp.

1182–1187, 2003. The taper is a progressive nonlinear reduction of the training load during a variable period of time, in an attempt

to reduce the physiological and psychological stress of daily training and optimize sports performance. The aim of the taper should be

to minimize accumulated fatigue without compromising adaptations. This is best achieved by maintaining training intensity, reducing

the training volume (up to 60–90%) and slightly reducing training frequency (no more than 20%). The optimal duration of the taper

ranges between 4 and more than 28 d. Progressive nonlinear tapers are more beneficial to performance than step tapers. Performance

usually improves by about 3% (usual range 0.5–6.0%), due to positive changes in the cardiorespiratory, metabolic, hematological,

hormonal, neuromuscular, and psychological status of the athletes."

From Mike on Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 08:01:17 from 24.73.33.200

"High training frequencies seem to be necessary to

avoid detraining and/or “loss of feel” in the highly trained

(80%). On the other hand, training-induced adaptations

can be readily maintained with very low training frequencies

in moderately trained individuals (30–50%)."

From Drew on Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:45:20 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks a lot, Mike! There goes my day off!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

8 miles on the treadmill during the quarterly company call.

Technology's relentless dehumanization does have its moments.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.005.000.000.007.00

AM: 7 miles. Standard 5-day out tuneup. 1 warmup, 5 miles MP (29:32, 5:55 avg), 1 cooldown. Felt pretty easy, and taper kicking in.

Light rain and humid, tail end of summer running. I'm ready to run this race and turn the page.

 

Comments
From jtshad on Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 08:21:38 from 141.221.191.225

FYI...did you see the story about the protest group planning on keeping runners from finishing TCM? Hope the group, event coordinators and police can work this out!

From Rob Murphy on Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 08:29:21 from 163.248.33.220

Apparently Black Lives Matter is trying to get the attention of "white America". I guess there's nothing whiter than the Twin Cities Marathon.

From Drew on Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 08:43:35 from 173.171.218.92

I did hear mention of some shenanigans, although I just filed it in the mental compartment with the Ebola outbreak, the Y2K bug and every approaching hurricane season. I can be pretty naive though, so we'll see.

I was also just imagining the logistics and coming up short. Last year there were about 50 people running 10 mph or faster at mile 25. Hard to imagine anyone wants to spend a cold Sunday morning getting slammed into by sweaty, boney people like that.

From Jason D on Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 16:42:32 from 68.80.27.222

That's a fine tuneup!

Hopefully things go fine at the finish. It wouldn't be my first target but I'm a white male with plenty to fall back on (mom just paid a bill for me. Thanks, mom!) so what do I know.

I'm trying to see about tracking. Word on the street is you're classified as a professional. I think that means you're fast.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

6 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

AM: 5 miles with strides.

Comments
From Mike on Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 11:31:39 from 168.213.5.107

Go Drew! Excited for you!

From Rob Murphy on Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 12:37:11 from 163.248.33.220

It was inspiring to see how focused your prep for this race was Drew. You certainly have earned the right to be confident! Good luck.

From Drew on Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 17:32:03 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys. It really helps to have other runners to relate with.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off, flying to Minneapolis.

A lot of things went right in this training block, and there are things I learned that I'll do differently next time. But that's a later topic.

It's been a hectic last month of work and getting the kids back to school. Before the race, in the next 48 hours, I want to get centered, relax and enjoy the moment.

Then run as well as I possibly can.

Bib# 240

Goals
-----------
A: 2:35:xx
B: 2:37:xx
C: sub-2:39:00
-and probably most important-
Have fun!

Comments
From Mike on Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 06:39:41 from 168.213.5.107

D: Complete the outline of your novel in your mind by mile 25.

From jtshad on Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 12:34:53 from 173.198.176.201

Travel safely and have fun with the elites! TCM is a great host. Have a great run on Sunday!

From Jason D on Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 13:14:33 from 68.80.27.222

The weather looks pretty ideal, Drew. All the hard work has been done. Have a great race. I look forward to the results.

From Derunzo on Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 15:56:15 from 73.218.33.75

Go get em killer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmUcg5G_dY8

From Bret on Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 04:18:09 from 50.200.10.2

Best of luck to you Drew. You put in a very strong training period. All the hard work is done. Now you just need Sunday to come and put it all together.

From Drew on Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 14:14:44 from 207.250.101.26

Thanks guys! This is a beautiful place, at least I think so...I have to stop watching the Clubber Lang montage and get outside.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles. Met up with Jason which was very cool. We headed over a bridge and followed a beautiful path along the Mississippi. A few strides by the hotel, then jogged to Joe's hotel for a huge, free breakfast at Embassy Suites.

The energy of walking into so many crazy fast runners is exciting and unnerving. I've read stories about guys getting pulled out of a Double-A game and two hours later they're walking onto a Major League field. Small fish in big pond syndrome. It's a good thing, even if it's hard to get the head around.

Perfect weather here. It's going to be an exciting race tomorrow.

Race: Twin Cities Marathon (26.219 Miles) 02:38:46, Place overall: 41, Place in age division: 10
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.8026.200.000.0027.00

After a serious and focused five months of training, I finally ran the Twin Cities marathon on Sunday. I didn't run it as fast as I hoped, but as I crossed the finish line I experienced a satisfaction that I've never felt before in a race.

I flew into Minnesota on Friday and caught a shuttle to the host hotel. The weather was awesome, but after spending all summer in an inferno, 50 degrees felt freezing. I went to the convention and bought some garbage gear I could toss off without too much guilt.

That night I had dinner with teammates. Everyone but me was 55+, and you couldn't find a more interesting crew. Most of them have been running for decades and their outlook was refreshing. While I was eating pasta and drinking water, they ordered burgers and knocked back the beers. I was wound up like a clock.

Saturday morning I woke up and ran with Jason Butler from the blog. This site has been awesome for training perspective and support, and it was very cool to meet up with someone in person. Jason is the real deal- great guy, great runner.

I attended a meeting at noon to give an outline of course protocol and transportation logistics. Being in a room full of elite runners was a combination of inspiring and terrifying. My coach Joe walked in 2 minutes after the meeting started, and couldn't really hear anything that was going on. I translated the relevant points for him.

At some point, I finally relaxed. I fell asleep at 8:30 and slept better than I ever have before a marathon. Not great, with lots of wakeups, but pretty well. At 6am we caught a bus from St. Paul to a hotel in Minneapolis which served as the staging area. We got there around 6:30, and then sat in a large room for the next hour. I was feeling oddly loose, but the tension still dripped off the walls and I couldn't wait to start running. I was ready to face the music.

A whole lot went right in this training cycle, but I made some mistakes in the last couple weeks leading into the race. I want to record more thoughts on that in the next couple days, but in short I ran too hard, too often, and ended up nursing sore calves, hips and hamstrings in the days heading into the race. This is not a course that looks kindly on those kind of misjudments.

I spent the days before I left stretching, rolling and getting a massage. I hoped it was just psychological pain - which is very common during taper. But the plain fact is that I went into this race more beat up than I ever have been, heading into a marathon. I had a lot to balance that against. I knew my training was solid, I had trained in bad conditions, and I wasn't injured- just banged up. At best, I wouldn't feel anything once the gun went off.

I started a couple rows back and tried to settle in. Almost immediately, we crossed under a bridge that knocked out GPS, so the first mile was all by feel. I ran a bit behind Jason and knew the pace was a little quick for me, but I felt mostly comfortable. I saw 5:45 on the clock as we crossed the mile mark, and let the pace go. I was getting passed left and right, which felt bad, but I had no business running that fast at that point.

Mile 2 on the course is uphill. I haven't talked to anyone who really mentions it, but that mile seems just as hard to me as any of the last 6 miles on Summit Ave. It's early though, so you just plow through. I knew it was coming and slowed down quite a bit, so that I passed the 2 mile mark around 12:00. It was a little annoying to be 10 seconds over pace at the end of mile 2, but I planned for it and didn't wig out.

Over the next 10 miles or so, the course drops. There are occaisonal rolls but overall it's a favorable slight decline that gives you plenty of rope to run as fast as you want. In my case, my legs and hips began hurting around mile 5. The soreness I hoped was just psychological came to the front, and I battled it for the rest of the race. At times it moved into the background, and at times I wasn't sure if I could finish. It never got to be acute, so I just kept pushing.

I went through a dark spot from miles 10-12 or so. At the half, I saw a split around 1:17:40, which put wind in my sails. That was right on target, 5:55 pace. At that point, I knew there was no hope of maintaining that pace, but at least I had a chance of running a PR if I could avoid bleeding more than 3 minutes over the next 13 miles.

The second half was not pretty. I slowed down, especially after mile 16. The course was mostly flat at that point, but my legs felt terrible and I was almost fully focused on keeping them moving. I awaited mile 20, when I could get a good read on my overall pace and the start of the climb. I don't remember my exact split, but it was around 2:39:15 at mile 20 - around 2:37 pace. I knew I would be losing time, probably a lot, over the next 10k.

Summit Ave was tough, but since I was limited early on, I never ran outside myself and I felt that it was not as bad as I feared. There were a few climbs that took a big bite out of me, but there was no climb longer than a half mile. I think Twin Cities is a race that would really benefit from multiple runnings. After my first experience, I'd say that going out carefully could really pay off. The last 10k is uphill, but if you have enough in the tank it's not that bad.

For me, I got to mile 25, still struggling with leg cramping and doing the mental math to decide where I was. I figured I needed to run roughly 6:00 pace or better, which shouldn't be impossible, but sounded like it at that point. I waited for the downhill I knew was coming, and it was much shorter than expected. Still, with the race on the line I blasted it, with the last .5 mile around 5:25 pace. I crossed the line at 2:38:46 and the relief I felt was indescribable.

I am my own best critic when I underperform, which can happen. I did not run as fast as I hoped today, but it wasn't laziness or lack of will. Today was a hard fight against my own limitations, and I'm proud to come away with a very small victory. I am already excited to keep pushing that bar, as long as I can.

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From jtshad on Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 12:43:59 from 173.198.176.201

Great time on a challenging course (more so than it appears on paper!). Can't wait to hear the full report.

From Bret on Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 17:17:59 from 99.1.220.106

Congrats on the PR Drew. Can't wait for the full report.

From Jon on Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 19:12:59 from 107.203.52.135

A PR is a PR- congrats!

From Bret on Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 09:53:18 from 216.234.133.229

Great report Drew. I think we like to hope that we will feel great when running our best races. I have not always found that to be the case - indeed in my experience the ones that I fought the most for, ended up being my best results. You trained hard, and though it didn't feel great, you fought through it, and got a decent reward in the end - congrats on the PR and on a challenging course!

From butlerbrunning on Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 13:04:45 from 104.52.197.67

It was really great to meet you and hang out for the weekend. Congrats on your PR.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 19:40:17 from 107.77.100.95

Congrats Drew - your marathon buildup in the Florida summer was really impressive. I think most of us who live down south have a hard time building fitness over the summer but clearly you did it. Next marathon will be a bigger PR, IMO.

From Drew on Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 13:07:37 from 24.73.66.122

Jeff - thanks. You have been very supportive since I started thinking about Twin Cities, and I really appreciate it.

Bret - I hear you, and agree. Many races that worked out in the end were slogs. It's good for me to remember that in those moments.

Jon - thanks - that is a perspective I need to remember.

Jason - right on man - it was a pleasure. Looking forward to the next race we can meetup at.

Joe - I loved reading about your summer slogs because I could always relate. I do think I can run better, but we'll see what comes without forcing things over the next few weeks.

From Jason D on Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 07:32:45 from 68.80.27.222

Congratulations on the PR, Drew. I enjoyed the report. I look forward to continuing to follow your training.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles with Jason along the Mississippi. Sore, but not terrible.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles, back in St. Pete. More sore today, that delayed effect thing. Still nice to be out running around home, with much better weather.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

6 miles at lunch with Quint. Sore, but better than yesterday. Good to reconnect and talk about Twin Cities. I try not to be the guy that has 10 things happen to him, 8 of which are really good, 2 of which aren't what he wanted - then to focus on those two things.

After the marathon I focused on the positives, but in the last 24 hours two things have bothered me- that I didn't relax enough in the last couple weeks before the race, and that I ran a couple minutes slower than I wanted. I have been rolling some ideas around on that score, but I'm still letting the dust settle.

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From Jason D on Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 11:07:15 from 139.84.48.251

It's beneficial to look for places to revise. With that in mind I think we all have (or will have) a marathon that haunts us. I still look back at Boston 2014 and try to figure out what I did wrong to the point where incredibly small, likely unconnected factors can seem like major contributions.

The blog is a great space to write future notes to yourself. I find myself doing it often, hoping that a more experienced, hopefully faster me takes heed.

From Drew on Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 11:12:58 from 24.73.66.122

Hey Jason - good thoughts. I need to put some ideas down. Hopefully this weekend things get slower.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Bad day, no running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 7.5 miles.

Much better day, some running.

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From Mike on Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 19:39:29 from 24.73.33.200

Some super descriptions here, Drew. :)

From Drew on Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 06:00:31 from 173.171.218.92

Hey, they can't all be double rainbows.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Busy day prepping the old house for renters, but I didn't feel like running anyway.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

13 miles with run group. Christina and Quint ready to run the Amsterdam marathon next weekend. When I got home, I told Elise she could split a chocolate milk with me if she ran a mile without stopping. Got it done, 12:38. Glad she wasn't running much faster.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 9 miles. I had the day off, so I drove the kids to school then ran in my old neighborhood.

PM: 7 miles. Met Quint after lunch for our last run before he leaves for his marathon. Then picked up my older daughter - they have an afterschool activity called "Run Club" I finally got to participate in. It's actually pretty awesome - totally unstructured and social, but the kids on  their own volition orbit a dirt track for 45 minutes then get some frozen sugar water in plastic.

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From Mike on Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:38:16 from 24.73.33.200

Frozen sugar waterrrrr

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 7 miles. Quint came to track, so I got one more run with him, 3 @ 6:25 pace. My legs are still beat up, which is discouraging. Between the 9 days after the marathon, and the 2 weeks leading up to it, I feel like I have been sore for about three weeks now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 5 miles.

PM: 8 miles.

My first-grader ripped off a string of jokes tonight during bath. My favorites:

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Little old lady.
Little old lady who?
I didn't know you could yodel!

Where does a butcher go to dance?
To the meat ball.

I have a pretty limited range of jokes on tap. At least now I can exchange humor with six year olds as well as the absolute dregs of humanity.

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From Mike on Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 06:40:56 from 168.213.5.107

My favorite joke at that age (that I think I actually came up with on my own):

What do you call a witch that goes to the beach?

A sandwich.

If she doesn't laugh at that, then... well, then I formally disagree with her assessment of my joke. And she is wrong.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.500.000.000.005.50

AM: 5.5 miles, never got a second run in. Celebrated my wife's birthday, which was in a mad rush of getting to my daughter's open house, restraining Anna at dinner, finishing our work, etc. Allison took it all in stride very gracefully.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.500.003.000.0010.50

AM: 10.5 miles, with 6 mile AT wave tempo. Target was 3 alternations of 1 mile @ 6:10, 1 mile @ 5:40. Splits:

  1. 6:09 / 5:39
  2. 6:09 / 5:40
  3. 6:06 / 5:37

I’ve held off on my Twin Cities post-mortem. At first, I wanted to let the dust settle. It settled, but not into neat boxes, and I haven’t had the desire to rake through it all. I need to though, before it gets away from me.

What Went Right – This was my best marathon buildup yet. I wouldn’t always block out five months, but I started when the weather began heating up. From early May on, there is little else to do racing-wise in FL until October.

With five months, I was able to do three distinct periods: ~6 weeks of base where I was running 120-140 miles per week. That went great. It was all slow running, but I felt super strong by the end. After that, 4-5 weeks of intervals and sharpening. I ran a lackluster 5k in mid-June a little under 16:30, and by mid-July I was sharper, running 9:58 for 3200 meters.

The combination of base, speed training, and a couple months of running in the humidity made it possible to start marathon workouts in late July/August and complete them. There is no way I could have done those workouts in humidity in early June.

Overall, the marathon workouts went well. I got stomach flu for a couple weeks, but that was probably a wash, with getting some additional rest. I knew I was in a good place 4.5 weeks out when I was able to run 16 miles @ MP.

What Went Wrong – About 4 weeks out from the race, when it started to feel more imminent, some of my decisions suffered. One workout that I did not complete a couple weeks before was 10 miles MP+1/10 miles MP. At 3 weeks out, I took another swing at it, and nailed it. Unfortunately, I haven’t felt that strong since. I don’t think it was necessarily a mistake to attempt that workout again – in isolation none of the following things were crazy – but I was walking further out onto thin ice, and that never ends well.

Even though the 10/10 workout went great, I struggled to recover. Mon-Wed of the following week was a drag. On Thursday, I re-attempted the other workout I hadn’t managed to pull off, which sounds pretty dumb as I’m writing it now. This was a 6 mile LT wave tempo alternating 10k/MP.  This is a tough workout, but I was surprised by how difficult it was for me at the end of my marathon-specific block. I’ve done the workout without too much trouble before – but in those cases I was still in winter racing mode, when 10k pace feels somewhat comfortable. In the future, I would still do this workout in a marathon-specific block, but only early, and if I felt familiar with 10k pace.

At any rate, I failed again at the 6 mile LT wave tempo. Also in this week my wife had to travel for a couple days of work. I missed a few runs, and made the biggest mistake of the entire block. Friday, the day after the wave tempo fail, I met Quint for a run, which should have been easy, and convinced him to run descending ½ miles with me. It wasn’t a hard workout, but I ended up with 2 miles under 6:00, and wasn’t recovering. On Saturday, I spent a lot of the day at my daughter’s swim meet and had 1 hour to squeeze in a run in the afternoon. So naturally, I ran too hard again to get in enough miles. The next morning, I ran 18 miles on the Clearwater  bridges – mostly reasonable pace, but a few bridges full-on. By Monday, my legs were starting to feel like junk. So naturally, I convinced Mike to meet me at track on Tuesday to do 8x800 at sub-5k pace. I usually do 800s about 12 days out, but at 10k pace.

In retrospect, when life required me to back off, I wish I had not tried to cram in quality - in the future, I will try to just relax and have faith in my past training. The approach that works for me is hard workout followed by very easy days. Instead I was running low quality workouts, accomplishing little but failing to recover.

By Wednesday, I developed a sore left hip and hamstring. I kind of sobered up at this point and tried to get off the crazy train. For the next 1.5 weeks I did a lot of stretching, rolling, icing, etc. I hoped the soreness I was feeling was just taper madness. But by the 4th mile at TCM I felt fairly uncomfortable, and it just got worse as the race went on. Which was unfortunate, because it’s a lot more fun to race against your fitness rather than managing leg pain for 20 miles.

Overall I feel that I learned a great deal from this cycle, and made real fitness improvements. I am a little frustrated that I felt that I had to cram in the last month. In looking back at the race itself, and my training, I feel that my fitness was in place, but self-inflicted wounds brought me down to earth.

 Was this a Good Race, a Bad Race, or What?! – This is a question I’ve been wrestling with, since it was kind of both. Most races I’ve run are quite a bit one way or the other.

During the race, I wasn’t a very happy camper. I was sore and slowing down. In contrast, at Grandma’s my splits were mostly seconds apart. That’s how I want to run marathons. Not like TCM, hanging on to an ugly draw.

When I finished Twin Cities- I was elated. Even though I only ran 14 seconds faster than my PR, I was very proud that I hung on when I wanted to let the race go.

As the days passed, I felt more frustrated than happy, though. I felt that I had built an engine that could hit 2:35 on a flat course, 2:36 or 2:37 at TCM. I finished at 2:38:46, which doesn’t sound like that big of a miss, but it did feel like it to me. The slower time is part of it, but racing sore, or even semi-injured, especially when it was so unnecessary is hard to swallow.

What’s Next – I've been thinking about this a lot, of course. Frustratingly, my legs have been slow to bounce back. My left hip and hamstring are still an issue, impeding serious training, and I picked up a right calf sprain around mile 17 or 18 at TCM that has joined the party. To be fair, I haven’t done a good job of rehabbing. I’ve had the problem in my left hip/hamstring surface on and off for five years, and I know how to get it better. Lately though, I’ve just hit the couch when the kids go down. I haven’t had the focus or the fire to roll, stretch, ice. Instead I’ve been eating junk, drinking beer and not sleeping enough. I guess that's not so horrible 2 weeks after a marathon, but I’m ready to move on and be a healthy, responsible citizen again.

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From Jason D on Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 20:50:19 from 68.80.27.222

Thanks for sharing this, Drew. Much to learn here. You are one example of someone who runs easy runs easy and I've benefited from knowing that, particularly given our fitness differences.

I've slowed my easy paces down quite a bit, even though they were reasonably slow before. I've come to realize that easy paces emerges, not just from year to year, buildup to buildup, and time of year to time of year; easy pace emerges daily.

It's easy to go after revenge workouts and it's easy to try to fit things in when you are rolling and feeling good.

These reflections are beneficial. I try to keep a list of "running things Jason shouldn't do." I try to add to it when I get solid information from other runners too. A big one is trying not to do too much. The other imperative I have been reciting to myself (and I'm not much for imperatives) is "Do nothing that compromises your buildup." It's hard to see these actions sometimes but other times the phrase has helped me.

From Drew on Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 18:51:31 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jason. Stacking all the things I did wrong together, they sound pretty stupid - one thing I expected was that even if I was living dangerously, I could recover over a 1.5 week taper. I found that a couple months of solid marathon training had me in a more fragile state than normal.

Couldn't agree more with your comment about easy pace emerging daily. Some days, everything feels great and you just go with it. And even more important, learning not to press when things don't feel good.

I've noticed that our fitness difference has been shrinking, and rather rapidly at that. ;)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.500.000.000.0011.50

AM: 11.5 miles. Awesome run in Jacksonville with my wife for a change, dropping the kids off with the inlaws.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

7 miles in Savannah with Allison. After dropping off the kids in Jacksonville with the inlaws, we escaped here for the weekend.

Awesome running weather, but no place to run. We wound around the historic neighborhoods, which are beautiful, but tight for running. If you're feeling grumpy, this town can seem like the American Venice, or Bruge, but we had a great time.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

No running today. Drove back to Jacksonville, picked up the kids (Elise cried when we showed up - I guess having unlimited cookies and pancakes made her forget all parental bonds), and back to St. Pete.

Stepped on the scale at Publix while getting groceries and set a PR, at least for 2015.

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From Bret on Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 14:29:28 from 216.234.133.229

Lowest weight for the year? :)

From Drew on Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 17:11:01 from 173.171.218.92

Absolutely not.

From Tom K on Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 17:47:50 from 66.87.122.191

Publix scales are the devil.

From Rob Murphy on Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 18:45:26 from 24.10.247.181

For those of you from Utah, Publix is a supermarket and they have these big green scales at the front of their stores. It's impossible not to step on them.

From Mike on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 06:21:48 from 168.213.5.107

Rob... Can confirm. Impossible. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

0. Work meltdown. Still, when I'm firing on all cylinders, I find time.

Comments
From Mike on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 06:23:13 from 168.213.5.107

You missed a rare Sean sighting (in captivity at the track!). I think he was hoping to see you there, fyi. Way to let us down :P

Kidding of course, glad work is getting more on track. Hope you had Chipotle anyway.

From Drew on Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:31:49 from 24.73.66.122

No track = no Chipotle. It's the law.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Another zero. Last one for awhile, though.
 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles, not fun, but at least it was running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

AM: 12 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles. I played freeze dance with the girls while my wife was out running. When it was my turn, I went to Weedon Island since there was a race there my friend Jim was running.

Weedon Island is a nice preserve nearby, with long boardwalks and a few trails. I ran a bit with Jim, then found a shady alcove in the boardwalk and cheered on runners. It was probably the first time in a couple weeks I enjoyed anything connected to running. When running is not fun, encouraging others may be the best antidote.

Hopefully things will continue turning around. Running tomorrow with the group, and Quint is heading back from Europe.
 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles. Went to a costume party on Saturday night. Failed to get out of bed early enough for the long run on Sunday. I've been lousy from a training perspective lately, but it turned out to be a nice day. Threw the kids in the jogging stroller and my wife and I ran to a park, where the girls got out and ran and played. Drove to Orlando in the evening for college recruiting.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

AM: 3 miles. Early start to the day, but I got in a few miles around UCF. Then long day of tech interviews. The kids at UCF are very impressive. And a long weary drive back to St. Pete.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.004.000.009.00

PM: 9 miles at track. Light rain all day. Settled on running 2 x 2 miles targeting 5:30 pace. Sean joined me, and a new guy Anthony ran some of it with us. Both came in a bit under 11 minutes. Jogged 400 between, and stood and drank water for another minute or two.

The first 2 miles felt pretty awkward, since I haven't run any workouts in a month, and it's probably been 5 weeks or more since I ran 5:30 pace or better. Things actually started clicking in the second two miles, which felt good. If I can string together5-6 weeks of solid miles and workouts I can be in a good place again.

 

 

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From Mike on Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:35:15 from 168.213.5.107

Love seeing this, Drew! With Sean back, I think that'll be a help. Sorry I wasn't there this Tuesday, and I will be sparse in the next month, FYI with the marathon training and mileage. But, December should be good (as long as no injuries).

From Drew on Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:46:32 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks Mike - I know it's a long haul for you under the best circumstances, and with your marathon makes even less sense.

Yesterday was a step in the right direction at least, and it got me feeling more excited for Saturday. Sean will be out there too.

From Mike on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:05:54 from 168.213.5.107

Sean too! Now we just need Quint, Lee, Charles, and Christina...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 7 miles at lunch with Quint.

PM: 3 miles after work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

PM: 5 miles with Quint after work. 1/2 marathon series starts tomorrow. I'm not race ready, but I'm not ready to skip and give up on the series before it even starts.

Race: Halloween Halfathon (13.109 Miles) 01:20:45, Place overall: 5, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.002.004.000.0016.00

AM: 2 warmup, 13.1 in 1:20:45, 1 cooldown. Halloween Halfathon, first in a series of half marathons that brings out good local runners. In the days leading up to the race, I was uncertain if I'd even run. At one point though, I realized I'd regret it if I didn't. Usually going into a race, I'll have done a bunch of work at race pace and have a definite pacing plan. Today I just wanted to hang onto my local competitors as long as I could.

That turned out to be 4 miles. There was humidity and wind to contend with today - neither terrible, but  times were supressed. Which kind of worked in my favor, since our lead pack went out a bit more slowly than it would have otherwise. It was awesome running the first 1/3 or the race with Mike, Sean and Chris/Chris. I regret not being able to hang.

Similar to TCM, my legs became an issue into mile 4. It feels like a numbness in my left hip with decreased mobility, while an ache grows in my left hamstring. Unfortunately, the problem has not improved in the last month - it's actually gotten worse. This is discouraging since I haven't been doing workouts, or mileage - I've been taking it easy and just getting less fit and more injured.

I thought pretty seriously about dropping out when I lost contact with the pack at the end of mile 4, but I haven't DNF'd yet, so I figured why start that precedent now. I ran a lot of miles after that in the 6:30 range, which at least felt comfortable. I figured people would be coming for me sooner or later, but I ran the rest of the race alone. It was a bummer, but not a surprise. I knew there was a pretty good chance I could be in for a day like this. Mike ran great, Sean is on his way back.

As lousy as my time was today, it is the best I've run in a month. I'm going to look at it like that, at least for now. If I still can't run in a month, then I'll be ready to panic.

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From Bret on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 11:30:56 from 216.234.133.229

Hey Drew - I must have missed this entry over the weekend. Sorry to hear about the injury. I have been there - where you are "losing" fitness because you are running easy without doing workouts and the injury is not improving - or even getting worse.

Hate to give advice on it - as I think we (runners) all deal with injuries in our own way - Hope it gets better for you and you don't become too frustrated with the down time. You have had a really strong year with some outstanding training and racing. So - as you say - don't panic!

From Drew on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 12:47:32 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks Bret - having this race helped shake some things loose (physically and mentally). Then there is this: http://www.runnersworld.com/injury-prevention-recovery/cure-quad-pain-calf-pain-and-heavy-legs

I have sometimes found that counter-intuitive things help - for whatever reason taking a few weeks easy did little to help my legs feel better, but running a sluggish half did help. Or maybe that's just how long the recovery took - sometimes cause/effect is just an illusion, who knows. I'm feeling better at last, so I won't complain.

From butlerbrunning on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 16:31:35 from 104.52.197.67

Man alive Drew...sure am sorry to hear about all your troubles..Hopefully with a little r&r you'll be back at it in no time. I'd suggest hopping in a good ole ice bath for about 10 minutes and see if that helps. As much as I hate getting in them there is nothing like them to make my legs feel new.

From Jason D on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 23:46:27 from 68.80.27.222

I don't know how you guys do it. I take a week off after a marathon and don't race anything much longer a 10k in the 6 weeks following it. A half might not be for 3-4 months!

To your point about cause and effect in the comments I would add the example my philosophy professor gave me about complex cause:

an overloaded truck goes over a rusty bridge and it collapses. What causes the collapse? If I ask students they will reply definitely either way. The answer I was given was "it's the conjunction." But this is still not correct. The causes are actually far more complex. The bridge is rusty because infrastructure such as bridges is neglected and the truck is overloaded because of efficiency and demand of the capitalist system. Perhaps the driver doesn't use good judgement, and so on.

How does this meandering example apply to running? Injury cause and rehab still seem to be a fairly inexact science and the causes aren't singular. It's mind-blowing to me that I can go to a doctor and they are doing a lot of guess work but I'm in the humanities so I don't have much to say :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

3 miles midday with Elise on her bike. Hip was sore, but at least legs not trashed.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint in obscene heat/humidity.

Today I actually felt pretty good. I felt drained for so long after this last marathon - feels like the 1/2 marathon shook something loose. I'm going to try to train more normally this week, without digging a deeper hole.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.500.004.000.0014.50

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 8.5 miles at track. Did a mix of 800s and unstructured speedwork (AKA Mike's Point Game). I tried to strike a balance between getting in some quality and not pushing my left leg too hard. As it was, the humidity and my fitness kept me from overdoing it.

4 800s with 200 rest: 2:41.2 / 2:34.8 / 2:35.7 / 2:31.8, and some shorter pickups on the Pinellas Trail.

Fun time running, and I'm feeling much better overall. It is a little tough to watch Mike and Sean blast off only to chase after them like Mikey in A Christmas Story. I just need to focus on incremental improvements each week, and consistency, and better results will come.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.500.000.000.0015.50

AM: 7 miles. Leg a little gamey this morning, but not bad considering some speedwork the night before.

PM: 8.5 miles at lunch with Quint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

AM: 8 miles.

Lunch: 8 miles.

PM: 1 mile after work with Elise. It was hot and humid, and she hated it, but I was merciless.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

AM: 12 mile progression run, from 9:10 to 6:06. Left leg was so-so - became sore around mile 6.5.

PM: 6 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

AM: 8.5 miles pushing the jogging stroller to the park, freeze tag with the girls, and back again.

PM: 4.5 miles before dinner, actually felt OK around 7:00 pace. A few weird twinges though.

Comments
From butlerbrunning on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 19:20:57 from 104.52.197.67

Nice week of miles..What's next on radar?

From Drew on Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 18:06:58 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jason - even though it's only 8 weeks away, I'd like to run the Jacksonville Marathon. I'm not thinking I need to do a whole training cycle to run better than Twin Cities - if I can get healthy and put in a solid month of training I figure I can run a minute or two faster on that flat course.

The trick is just getting my hamstring under control. I took your suggestion and did an ice bath after my long run today - felt great.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.002.000.000.0020.00

AM: 20 miles, 7:02 avg. Pretty good long run this morning with a very good group. Started out a big bigger, then boiled down to Mike, Sean, Anthony and myself.  Reasonable pace overall with a 5 mile tempo section in the middle. My leg was throbbing on the drive home, took an ice bath, which helped.

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From Mike M on Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 10:22:07 from 168.213.5.107

Thanks for doing the tempo late in that run with me, it was a big help

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

AM: 6 miles.

PM: 10 miles at lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.500.004.000.0014.50

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 10.5 miles at track. 4 x 1 mile, 400 rest, with Sean and Anthony.

  1. 5:20.1
  2. 5:22.7
  3. 5:23.0
  4. 5:14.8

I'm not happy with this, but I don't feel like dwelling on it right now. I'm running better than I was a couple weeks ago, at least.

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From Mike M on Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 06:46:22 from 168.213.5.107

I think this is a perfect workout and the last one might have been too fast even.

I actually think the miles hovering a little higher in this instance time-wise will benefit your Lactic threshold and do more good than dropping the times to be in between vo2-max and LT. So, for half-marathon stuff, I bet you that workout you did was very beneficial.

I've been messing around a lot with that the last 2 months after doing some research on it and have noticed a positive impact in the longer distance stuff. I might be full of crap, but it seems to be working. Just thought I'd chime in with some unsolicited comments :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.500.000.000.004.50

AM: 4.5 miles. Intervals the night before left my hip feeling more sore than I wanted, so I skipped the afternoon run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint. Not feeling good, but trying to keep the fire burning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.501.001.000.008.50

AM: 8.5 miles, attempted wave tempo, pulled the plug early.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.500.000.000.501.00

AM: Saturday morning park running with the girls, a couple hard 400s.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.000.000.000.0017.00

AM: 14 miles with Forerunners. Good time seeing the crew, bad time running sore and broken down. Cut out early.

PM: 3 miles late afternoon with Elise on her bike.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.004.000.0010.00

AM: 10 miles. Can't go to track tonight due to parent meeting at my daughter's school. Tagged along with Christina and Meredith on their workout: 8x800, 400 rest between items, we averaged about 2:53.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

8 miles at lunch with Quint, bright spot in an otherwise brightless day.

PM: 3 miles after work with Elise on her bike. Last mile at 6:33 - not sure how much longer I can do easy runs with her!

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From Mike M on Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 14:21:46 from 168.213.5.107

Couldn't get that last half mile in to get to 4,000 I see... :P

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

8 miles at lunch with Quint. Turned over a 26 page technical document at work today, which was a huge relief. The rest of 2015 looks downhill after that - knock on wood...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.003.000.000.0016.00

AM: 8 miles. 3 x 1 mile, 400 rest, on roads with Christina, averaged 5:54.

PM: 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Hip/hamstring slowly improving, but still uncomfortable under 6:00 pace. Mentally I feel better, or maybe I've just reached the acceptance stage.

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From Mike M on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:43:57 from 24.73.33.200

I like reading that it's improving, Drew.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 8 miles pushing the girls to the park, then a few quick laps around the jogging circle.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
31.000.000.000.0031.00

31 miles in 3:50:49, 7:27 avg.

No reason in particular for running that much today. I wanted to see what 50k felt like, and had the day open to convalesce on the couch.

I was kind of hoping I'd see leprechauns dancing around double rainbows or something, but mostly I was sore and bored.

It did occur to me that maybe my hamstring soreness is like a charlie horse that just needs to be worked out. After 31 miles, I am pretty sure it is actually plain injured.

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From Mike M on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 21:22:30 from 65.96.105.243

I want to do a run like this! Count me in next time!

From Jason D on Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 22:30:23 from 68.80.27.222

I had a pretty good laugh about the dancing leprechauns.

When I first broke 3 hours it was my first Boston qualifier and I was most relieved when I realized my long runs never really needed to be longer than 3 hours. I'm drawn to the 50k distance though. I am tentatively thinking about the Rocky 50k in 2 weeks but it goes against my post-marathon rest principles (it's low-key, no fees, etc).

Sorry about the leg. I hope it heals up for you soon.

From Drew on Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 18:19:09 from 173.171.218.92

Mike - yesterday I would have say, never again. Today - OK, but you have to make it happen. :) Not seeing running tracking on the SpaceCoast site - anything you can do about that?

Jason - yeah, on one level, it's crazy to run 50k two weeks after a marathon. But, if it's just for the experience, like I did it on Sunday - it's not bad. Running it easy is no worse than any marathon training long run - although I'm sure racing it would be plenty painful.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 4 miles.

Was hoping for more on both runs, but the expected holiday week slowdown didn't materialize.

What did materialize was a dew point drop from 72 to 35 over the span of ~24 hours. Running felt incredible today despite the the long run yesterday. Every person I saw out there was running fast.

Surreal, exciting, annoying.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.500.006.500.0015.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 11 miles at track with Sean and Jim. Pretty deserted since Clearwater Turkey Trot is around the corner. I did a long ladder workout: 100s, 200s, 300s, 400s & 600s coming out to 6.5 miles of speed. None of it too fast, a lot around 5:30 pace.

 

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

AM: 9 miles. I got Elise to run a mile with me while my wife was out running, and Anna rode in the jogging stroller.

Then I went out for the rest of my run. My mechanics have been noticeably off while I've been dealing with this hip/hamstring issue. I find myself clenching the opposite side fist, probably because of the weakness in the opposing side.

So ironically, I was running and really trying to focus on my form when I tripped and hit the ground hard. I was just concentrating too much on my upper body and not looking down.

Instinctively I turned my right shoulder down to buffer the impact. I was running low 6 minute pace, so the impact was considerable. I was able to jog home, but it was pretty clear something was wrong. Not time to linger on it - packing, drive to Jacksonville.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I woke up on Thanksgiving and couldn't raise my arm, so I went to the ER. The good news is that nothing is torn or broken. I have a strained ligament in my right shoulder, and the doctor told me to expect 2-6 weeks off running.

Thanksgiving was Elise's 7th birthday, and we had a great time celebrating that and the holiday with Allison's parents and sister's family.

I put off thinking about my running situation completely and had a good time. At some point I'll deal with running realities, but at the moment I can barely move my arm, so why bother.

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From Tom K on Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 08:22:30 from 66.87.148.239

Oh man! Sorry about the shoulder. That stinks! Being that i'm in jax. Too, i know that it has been super hot and off-and-on rainy. So, i'll say you're not missing much good fun times running. Heal up soon.

From Rob Murphy on Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 08:29:55 from 24.10.247.181

Sorry Drew!

On the bright side, If I run 2,000 miles in December, I'll catch you on the mileage board.

From Mike M on Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 08:11:58 from 24.73.33.200

Sorry to hear about this again, Drew. You don't deserve that kind of thing happening. Period.

Maybe it's actually a good omen to help take away some of the miles as your form gets back into gear. Might be preventing a future injury in a sense.

I hope you have a sweet scar too from the fall. :)

From SlowJoe on Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 16:55:52 from 45.18.50.53

Hopefully he's just confusing the timetables for returning to being a MLB pitcher vs returning to running.

Speedy recovery!

From Bret on Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 17:12:12 from 99.1.220.106

Oh no! So sorry to hear that Drew. Maybe it's a silver lining - this will allow your other injury time to properly heal as well. :).

From Drew on Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 05:17:57 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks guys! Already feeling better, expect I should be back to running in a couple days.

Bret - my wife said the same thing!

From jtshad on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 08:08:42 from 173.198.176.201

Sorry about the injury, hope the recovery comes quickly. What is it with us old guys tripping while running lately?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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A little step back on my shoulder. Elise got a new bike for her birthday - she has pretty much outgrown her first bike at this point.

I still have many boxes to unpack in the garage, and I spent a lot time searching through them for the training wheels for the old bike so I could get Anna started on riding. It was a lot of lifting, too much - and I was sore this morning.

It was worth it though - great to see little Anna riding around, and she was very happy about it. She also picked out a helmet that has anime-style  racoon ears, which is the cutest thing ever.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Nine days with no running. I think that's the longest break I've had in 7 years.

I went to my doctor yesterday, since my shoulder has remained sore. I think it has improved a bit, but it's a little hard to say. Morning is better, but after a day of moving around it feels pretty lousy by evening.

My doctor did an ultrasound - good news was no obvious damage beyond swollen tendons. He wrote me a prescription for a strong anti-inflammatory. He's hopeful that will take care of it. The one piece of bad news was that based on the places I'm experiencing soreness, there is some chance I have a tear in my rotator cuff. At the moment he's betting against it and holding off on an MRI to see how the next week goes.

Comments
From Bret on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 12:38:49 from 99.1.220.106

Sorry to hear that Drew - maybe you just need a bit more time to recover. Hope the anti inflammatory meds help.

From Jason D on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 20:12:49 from 68.80.27.222

Wishing you a speedy recovery, Drew.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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After a couple days of strong NSAIDs I'm finally seeing improvement in my right shoulder. I am shocked it has taken this long to recover from, but I've accepted that this winter is not going to be a peak season for me. Given how much difficulty I was having running with a sore hip, that was already in my mind.

I actually managed to walk/jog a bit on Sunday. I was going too slowly to truly tell - but my legs felt great. I'm very hopeful that once my shoulder heals I'm going to feel fully healthy for the first time in months.

Yesterday was a great day. We put up Christmas lights, and went on a long cruise with Anna on her bike. Elise jogged along, and they were both laughing and talking crazy nonsense the whole way. Rolling around the neighborhood with them is currently my favorite thing to do in the world.


 

Comments
From jtshad on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 08:12:57 from 173.198.176.201

Looks like a fun day. Glad the injuries seem to be improving.

From Drew on Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 18:19:20 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jeff - I read you were banged up too. Glad you've turned the corner.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

I ran today!

AM: 2 miles, extremely slow.

PM: 1 mile with Anna on her bike, extraordinarily slow.

Comments
From Mike M on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 06:11:59 from 168.213.5.107

This makes my day!

From SlowJoe on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 06:33:03 from 107.77.80.51

Good to see...a double!

From Bret on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 07:35:37 from 216.234.133.229

Nice!

From Drew on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 17:32:50 from 173.171.218.92

Man, you guys are charitable! By rights St. Nick should bring you some great workouts.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Busy day, so I didn't get out for my lunch run until 3 pm. But I got out and ran for 6 miles along the bike path in Westshore. I felt like the tinman for the first mile, but I slowly picked it up and ended feeling great. Not to misrepresent - I'm still a little sore, and badly out of shape. But just running again was an AWESOME feeling.

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From Jason D on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 18:32:21 from 68.80.27.222

Good to see you up and running. You'll start to feel better with every run. These things take time.

I always try to tell myself that I might not always be able to run fast or run a lot of miles but that just being able to run is a good thing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

Felt better, but lacked time/motivation.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

Same story as yesterday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.000.000.000.0018.00

Already was registered for 1/2 marathon on this day, and it's one of my favorite local races. Point-to-point course that ends by a large lake. The course is very fast - almost dead flat except for a couple of overpasses, and very few turns. The post-race is also excellent...seems to be the unofficial holiday party for the local running community.

I felt ok to run it, but determined not to make the same mistake as October by trying to race and then suffering it as reality set in. This time I ran the first couple miles easy with a few friends, ~ 7:15, then gradually started dropping the pace to ~ 6:30, where I hung out for the second half. My shoulder held up fine - still some occaisonal soreness but ready to get back to training, gradually. I ended up a few seconds under 1:28 feeling good, but it would have been a different story if I was running harder.

To be honest, I was glad to have an excuse not to race - the weather was hot and humid. This has not been a good winter for cooler temps, not that is has mattered to me.

Great time afterwards catching up with friends.

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From Bret on Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:48:34 from 216.234.133.229

Have run that Holiday Half a Thon a time or two myself. Bit of an odd course with the loop around that small pond before heading up the Pinellas Trail. Taylor Park finish as you say was always nice. That was the Largo High School home course and Invitational for cross country when I ran there back in the day. Never had a good race there.

Anyway - good to hear you are doing better. Do they still have the starfish/runner medals with the santa cap on it?

From Drew on Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 06:38:33 from 24.73.66.122

Hey Bret - you're right, that loop onto the trail is a bit odd.

I like running on the Pinellas Trail more than most people I know. And yes, Larry the FlipFlop guy was out there.

I can see how running loops in Taylor Park would not be the easiest. That path around the lake is a little patchy with roots. Santa Starfish medals are intact.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Meant to run at lunch with Quint, but we both washed out with too much work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.003.000.009.00

9 miles at track. 2 sets of 4x600, 200 between items, 400 between sets.

Started with Lee, Jim and Ched around 2:15 and migrated to 1:58 by the last 600.

I was a little stiff from the 1/2 on Sunday, but overall felt good physically, except for being out of shape.

My goal for the rest of the year is to run modest, doable workouts. It's not like I'm going to really ramp things up between Christmas and the New Year. Then when the calendar turns, I'll get on it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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I've been taking a vacation from running. Not for any real reason. Getting hurt got me used to slacking off, and I've started to enjoy it.

Mostly I don't feel as good about myself, but some things that are easy to tune out when you run a lot are coming more to the fore. In particular - politics. When I'm exhausted, it's easier to take it in as a carnival.  Lately, I've been pining for an enlightened dictatorship.

 

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

14 miles with the group. Apparently, minimal training makes it hard to run distance and maintain pace.

 

 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.003.000.007.00

We ran on the Pinellas Trail tonight, since track was locked up for the holidays. 3x5x300, just easy with the gang, averaged about 1:02.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

Finally reunited for 8 miles at lunch with Quint.

Comments
From Jason D on Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 15:27:43 from 45.46.20.59

Merry Christmas, Drew.

From Drew on Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 13:17:30 from 24.73.66.122

Thanks a lot Jason! I hope yours was as well - sorry to have to use the past tense.

I have been a lousy runner and blogger lately, luckily it's time for resolutions. Cheers!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

Crazy day cooking for the family. Christmas Eve with my wife's parents went well though, and the girls were good.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.000.000.002.00

Couple miles running with the girls while they rode their bikes.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

2 miles with Elise on her bike, and a mile with Anna.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I missed the usual group run because our extended family headed to Legoland to celebrate my niece's birthday. Like most of life, it was a mixture of human bonding, apathy, tedium and fun. I got to put Anna in the stocks, which was pretty cool.

The last week was a crazy scramble. We hosted my wife's parent for Christmas, and I offered to handle the turkey, stuffing and gravy. I was going to document every stage of the prep, but after photographing the stuffing prep I got too busy.

I keep gaining new appreciation for my Mom. I can't believe what a beast she was to handle that and more for multiple holidays year after year.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: 6 miles at lunch with Quint.

So - I'm grossly out of shape. I'm ready to start climbing out of my rut, but it's going to take some time. I am looking to run some 5ks this winter, and avoid the usual races I repeat every winter (Gasparilla, etc). Just need something new.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.004.000.000.0014.00

AM: 5 miles.

PM: 9 miles with Forerunners. Track closed again for the holidays. Scheduled workout was 400s with descending rest, but doing that workout on the Pinellas Trail, at dusk with the local Walking Dead extras about is no recipe for success. Lee, Steve, Ched and I settled on a modest tempo run. Lee and Steve are both recovering from illness and injury, and I'm a bathtub short of Jim Morrison's Paris vacation of '71. Last night Anna slapped my stomach and asked me if I had a baby in my belly.

Our goal was 4 miles @ 6:30 pace. We ran 6:27, 6:28, 6:18, 6:09, which I'll call MP. No great shakes, but it's a weird winter with a constant dew point of 70+. It seems like everyone is injured or burned out.

One cool thing about our run today was that Steve led us out to the South Pasadena waterfront. I've never run down there, and it was beautiful.

A couple other things I am liking are:

1) My wife and I have an annual tradition of watching the BBC production of Pride and Prejudice. I don't end every night with Merchant Ivory or Downton Abbey... but I do think the writing in P&P is out of this universe.

2) I kind of want to join Twitter to follow this account. Some favorites:

"uncle lando said my helmet made me look like a depressed lampshade and then everyone laughed and high-fived him i hate this family so much"

"mom please don't even pretend you know what I'm going through right now also we are out of conditioner"

"holden caulfield knows what it means to commit to a bold choice of headgear and i respect that"

"this elliot smith song really makes me think of darth vader"

 

Comments
From Tom K on Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 14:47:46 from 66.87.148.242

So much good stuff in here.

That twitter...

Where is south pasadena? Are you doing any of the gasparilla races?

From Tom K on Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 14:48:39 from 66.87.148.242

Just noticed the new pic.. awesome.

From Drew on Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 15:08:18 from 173.171.218.92

Hey Mark - South Pas (in FL anyway) is on the Gulf, southwestern edge of Pinellas, near Gulfport, Treasure Island. It's nice.

I *think* I'm passing on Gasparilla this year. I've done one of the races for 8 years in a row and I could use a break.

On the same day there's a big 5k in Ft. Myers I've always wanted to check out (Edison Festival of Lights) - I'm thinking this might be the year.

How about you? Gasparilla in the cards?

From Tom K on Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 15:52:42 from 174.58.54.215

My buddies are running the half on sunday. I was thinking of doing the 15k on saturday. Maybe. It's a bit of a drive.

From Rob Murphy on Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 16:31:46 from 24.10.247.181

There's nothing wrong with being a large mammal.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

AM: 4 miles.

PM: Planned lunch run preempted by company lunch.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

AM: 8 miles.

PM: 3 miles, 2 with Elise on her bike.

I'm not great at resolutions, but running resolutions are easier (to come up with at least). For 2016:

  • Find ways to run with my girls as often as possible.
  • Run with at least 10 new people.
  • Be a better friend to the people I already run with.
  • Run 5,000 miles.
  • Run 3 PRs.

Easy! Happy New Year!

 

Comments
From jtshad on Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 14:29:35 from 173.198.176.201

5,000 miles??!! Wow! Like the new pic!

Happy New Year!

From Drew on Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 09:16:02 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jeff! Happy New Year to you. I hope the running breaks go your way en route to a great marathon.

I'd give myself a 15-20% chance of hitting that goal - but writing it down helps a little. Oh yeah, and it's a leap year!

From Jake K on Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:47:09 from 159.212.71.173

Those are excellent goals. A good balance there.

My resolution is to not run 5000+ miles in a year ever again :-)

From Drew on Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 11:22:41 from 24.73.66.122

Jake - having watched your training in full beast mode, that resolution may prove a challenge. Happy New Year!

From Jake K on Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 21:13:03 from 67.166.113.191

Not anymore! :-) I suspect at some point I'll do some blocks of time at the higher mileage levels, but I can't see myself doing it year-round like I used to.

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