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Location:

Eugene,OR,USA

Member Since:

Nov 09, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

  • 5k PR - 18:48 (7/04/08)
  • 8K PR - 33:46 (5/19/07, on trails)
  • 10k PR - I have not run a competitive 10K yet.
  • 12K PR - 50:10 (8/09/08)
  • 15K PR - 1:04:52 (3/22/08)
  • Marathon - Have run 1 trail marathon, (Grand Island) 3:55 (July 2007)
  • Ultra Marathons -
  • Farmdale 33.5 miles, 10/08 - 6:08
  • Riddle Run 28 Miles, 01/09 - 5:35 (run in 2-3 inches of snow)
  • Devil's Lake 50k, 07/09 - 6:22
  • Howl at the Moon 8 hour, 08/09 - 39.98 miles
  • North Country Trail Run 50 miles, 09/09 - 9:44
  • Farmdale 32 miles, 10/09 - 5:45
  • McNotAgain 30 Miles, 10/09 - 5:50
  • Red Rock Canyon Half, Las Vegas, 06/12 - 2:15


Short-Term Running Goals:

Keep running in the winter - 1st year in Eugene - fun!

Long-Term Running Goals:

Keep on Keeping on..

Personal:

Moved to Eugene in Autumn, 2012 - Track city USA!

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Weather - 60 degrees, clear. 

Ran 3 easy miles at sunset, then 3 sets of strength exercises  and stretching at the arboretum. 

No stomach problems today, so fortunately a quick recovery.

My legs feel very fresh and strong. I am guessing it is because I am unable to run fast due to my allergies, thus my legs are spared the strain. I have put in 3 long runs in the past 4 weeks, but those do not seem to have had a negative effect, which makes me conclude that running fast is more stressful than running long.

Farmdale is a little over a week away, and I have been reflecting upon pacing strategies. The race website lists the 11 mile loop splits from last years finishers, which has given me a glimpse into the experiences of the runners.

A few of the top runners were able to manage even splits, although the first place runner blazed the first loop, then slowed considerably in the 2nd and 3rd loops. However, his first loop was so fast that he was able to maintain his position for the entire race. He must have been hurting in the final 5 miles, though.

The majority of the runners were unable to control their pace in the first loop, going too fast for the distance, and thus slowed in the 2nd loop, and slowed further in the third. The third loop is where many runners crumbled, some running 45-60 minutes slower than the first loop, which shows not only a lack of endurance, but discipline.

Another observation is that some of the younger runners fell into the trap of going out too fast, thus dying in the final loop. Perhaps this is because of their lack of patience, and also having too much pride - it has to feel good running away from the other runners for 2 hours, but their lack of foresight punishes them during the final 3 hours. It can't be fun being passed by older runners with only 5 miles to go.

It being my first attempt at such a long distance, I am almost certain I am going to be one of those runners who goes out too fast. Not because of pride or impatience, but because I have never run at 10:00 pace before. My long runs are at 9:00 pace, which I am afraid will be too quick for the distance.

I went to the track last week to time myself for a mile. Unlike earlier in the year when I was trying to run as fast as possible, this time I was trying to run as slow as I could. I wanted to see what pace my slowest possible running stride produced, and it was 9:50. It was painfully slow, just a bit faster than a walk. Yet some runners in an ultra move at 12:00 pace and greater. For this reason I believe I am going to be one of those people who dies in the final loop, walking dejectedly towards the finish line.

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Comments
From The Howling Commando on Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 21:00:45

I think you hit on some important issues, Will. Just looking in Marathon times from around my region over the years, I have found those results to be the same as previous years ones for the 33 miler.. people start off way too fast. Though I know a lot of times for 50+ milers even the winners argue they start off fast, hit the wall, and then kind of fight it and coast on in knowing they will slow down.

As far as 10:00 pace is concerned (which is what I run at now that I'm back into jogging): I found that I can still manage the same cadence as running as I used to, just shorten my strides so I can maintain that slow pace but still feel like I'm "running" in a way. If I were you I'd err on the side of caution. Better to have energy left at the end then to be crawling to the line. Just go out there adn have a good time. My buddy finished 12th in the JFK 50 miler a couple years ago.. and he started off in the back of the pack. At the first check point he was 2nd to last.. of over 1000 runners. While I'm not saying go out THAT slow, just stay within yourself. And just treat it as a long fun run :) You can do this. You've been preparing for this for a long time!

From will on Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 00:33:05

Benn - thanks for the ideas and encouragement.

I have been running 33 miles in my head for weeks now, and I am with you all the way - start off slow. My plan is to have a very easy heart rate during the first 11 miles, which is determined by easy breathing. When I feel my breath becoming labored, I will slow down. I believe a high heart rate sustained too early will cause the leg muscles to shut down before the finish.

The second loop I will go just a bit harder. The final loop I hope to have something left, and when I reach mile 29 start running it like a race - I am hoping all of the moderate running will allow this.

That is the plan, but I know how I operate. When I am new at something I miss a lot things, and not until much practice do I make improvements. I can't bypass experience, so I will be happy if I can just make it to the finish in one piece.

I remember Salem, MA - the police cars had a picture of a witch on a broom - very unique!

I'm happy to read that your running is going well, have a great weekend....

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