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Location:

Venice,FL,USA

Member Since:

Oct 31, 2012

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5k:
21:01, (6:46 pace) 11-19-11.
20:08, (6:29 pace) 9-1-12 (Part of a Mini-Triathlon Relay).
19:17, (6:12 pace) 11-17-12.
19:19, (6:13 pace) 11-23-13.
19:30, (6:17 pace) 1-4-14.
20:34, (6:34 pace) 9-13-14
19:49, (6:23 pace) 10-25-14
19:32, (6:17 pace) 11-22-14
19:40, (6:19 pace) 12-19-14
19:49, (6:23 pace) 1-31-16

8k:
34:42, (6:57 pace) 3-17-12.
32:11, (6:28 pace) 3-16-13.
32:32, (6:33 pace) 3-15-14. 

34:00, (6:50 pace) 3-14-15.

33:09, (6:40 pace) 3-11-17.

32:56, (6:38 pace) 3-17-18.

10k:
44:18, (7:08 pace) 4-14-12.
41:22, (6:39 pace) 12-15-12.
42:11, (6:47 pace) 4-13-13.
41:06, (6:37 pace) 12-8-13.

42:03, (6:46 pace) 3-5-16

44:35, (7:11 pace) 8-26-17
12k:
53:53, (7:14 pace) 3-24-12.
49:20, (6:37 pace) 3-1-14
15k:
1:18:16, (8:24 pace) 2-26-11.

1:04:37. (6:56 pace) 2-20-16

1:08:25 (7:18 pace) 2/22/20

Half Marathons:

1:37:57 (7:28 pace) 1-26-20. Fort Lauderdale - A1A 
14 Marathons:
1.  4:12:08, (9:37 pace) 1-9-11. Disney.
2.  4:18:18, (9:51 pace) 10-30-11. MCM.
3.  3:42:26, (8:29 pace) 1-14-12. Charleston.
4.  3:13:15, (7:22 pace) 10-7-12. Steamtown.
5*.  3:12:26, (7:20 pace) 1-19-14. Louisiana.
6*.  3:14:06, (7:24 pace) 4-21-14. Boston.
7*.  3:19:38, (7:37 pace) 7-19-14. U. of Okoboji.
8*.  3:16:27, (7:30 pace) 2-22-15. Mercedes-Benz
9*. 3:30:38 (8:03 pace) 5-15-16 Sugarloaf

10. 3:24:21 (7:48 pace) 11-5-16 Savannah RNR

11. 3:27:37 (7:56 pace) 5-12-18 Brookings

12. 3:46:02 (8:38 pace) 10-7-18 Towpath

13. 3:35:11 (8:13 pace) 9-12-21 Med City

14. 3:45:45 (8:37 pace) 4-16-23 Coastal Delaware

* = These 5 races were run at 67.9 seconds per pound. If I want a PR, I need to weigh less than 170 pounds.

Short-Term Running Goals:

2024 GOALS:

to not get fat

Long-Term Running Goals:

Continue running as often as I can, as far as I can, as fast as I can. Teaching my kids (by example) the rewards that come from putting in the work. Very slowly get to 50 states.

Personal:

I'm married, with two sons, 18, and 19.

I started running because someone dared me to.

I ran my first race 3 days after my 40th birthday. (Disney)

My profile picture story: http://www.melissajill.com/blog.cfm?postID=1492&boston-marathon

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Miles:This week: 17.50 Month: 51.70 Year: 773.95
Slow milesFast milesTotal Distance
4.600.004.60

4.6 miles. Ringling Bridge. 36:15. 7:53 pace.

I looked at a picture someone took of me at the Shark’s Tooth 10k, and it occurred to me that I run with a heel strike. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151586871282457&set=a.10151586861387457.1073741826.78049147456&type=3&theater

(I have no idea who took the picture, or why I look like I’m holding back gas.)

My toe is @ at a 45 degree angle to the ground! Do I really run like that? Whoa! That is terrible form! I feel like I have plateaued somewhat, and that maybe I need to work on my form, if I want to get faster, have less wear and tear, etc. I’ve been thinking about what I want to do with this summer, now that I will not be racing for a while. So I watched a couple of videos, which show some drills that promote a mid/fore foot strike. I think I’m going to try to change the way I run. If it works out that this doesn’t help, I’m assuming it won’t HURT, and I’ll still be putting down miles. (Ideally, 40-50 per week + the form drills.) I just will try to not be concerned about paces for a while. So this is the first run to that agenda. I tried to think about not letting my feet get out in front of me, leaning forward at the ankles, lifting my heels higher (as in the buttkick drill), etc. the whole time I was running. I realize this is going to be a long process, and that it is nearly impossible to maintain focus on these things for any considerable distance run. I managed to think about my form the majority of the time on this run. What I noticed is that my hamstrings were contributing more than usual, and that I was only looking @ 10-20 feet in front of me, as opposed to looking further down the path.  

Anyway, I didn’t mean to go this long on this post. This is the early stages of formulating a plan. If anyone would like to give advice about any of this, I would appreciate it.

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Comments
From Bam on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:21:00 from 89.126.28.24

Tom, if you do the form drills that break the stride down into its various components, this should help with your foot strike and help your form.

If you think about your stride and foot plant etc, while you are running, you are likely to come a cropper.

That said, if you do some drills and then some short hill blasts, you'll find this session helps with your foot strike and overall form. In fact, when you do the hill blasts after doing the drills, you can feel the different elements of your stride while you are doing the blasts. This then transfers to you normal running - not in terms of tuning into to your stride, rather it happens naturally.

From Tom K on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:27:54 from 71.228.90.171

1. "Cropper?"

2. Drills like this? http://youtu.be/0qQIQ624M7s

3. Thanks.

From Bam on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:39:52 from 89.126.28.24

Yep, they are good drills. There are loads you can do. But they seem like a great place to start.

From I Just Run on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:30:26 from 67.79.11.242

Tom, Not that I know a lot about running form (I know I have a lot to learn) but I studied the "Pose" running form and have tried to mimic it. It seems to take a lot of shock off of your knees, hips and legs in general. I noticed that my natural comfortable base became faster when I ran this way too. I believe, when I run "slow" I revert back to less efficient way of running. It took me a while to get the leg muscles used to the new form but now it's very comfortable. Go to this photo website and see several photos of me in my last marathon and see the way my feet hit the ground. Again...I'm no expert I'm just giving you my observations. (You may have to search under my last name - Tatum)

http://www.kreutzphotography.com/Photo_ViewTN.asp?DID=16&FID=7595&GID=1680&IMG=1&PAGE=1&PWD=&SRCH=1552&TYP=PUB

From SlowJoe on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:47:21 from 155.219.241.10

interesting...I've seen pictures of myself landing mid-foot and with a bit of a heel strike (depends on how tired I am, I think). I think I just stopped paying attention or caring.

But hey, Ryan Hall changed his foot strike so it can't be a bad idea, right?

From Tom K on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 14:50:01 from 71.203.20.181

I have a couple of other theories about this. For example, If I ran barefoot once in a while, would the form sort itself out? If I do more speed work, would the inefficient movements naturally be eliminated? I don't know. Part of me thinks this is just how I run, Part of me thinks trying SOMETHING will make me a better runner. I'm not in a position to add many miles or specialty runs, so this is what I have to work with. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Thanks all.

p.s. IJR, Seriously, What's with the tongue?

From Chad Robinson on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 15:08:52 from 50.73.39.89

Barefoot running is certainly a viable method of moving to a mid-foot strike but you have to be careful - your calves and ankles are really going to hate you for it. Something like Vibrams are a good way to create a consequence for landing on your heels without tearing your feet apart over a relatively long distance. Vibrams on a track would be a really good idea so you don't have to deal with any rocks. You could also give Altra's a try with their zero drop, then virtually all surfaces are fare game. Whatever you decide take it slow and easy.

From I Just Run on Fri, May 10, 2013 at 15:19:23 from 67.79.11.242

Tom,

If you stick your tongue out you won't heel strike for fear of biting it off from the impact!

From Tom K on Sun, May 12, 2013 at 06:45:02 from 71.203.20.181

So what I'm getting from this isthat I should keep my form work separate from my runs. I shouldn't try to do them at the same time. Okay, makes sense.

Chad, given where I live, I think this presents a perfect opportunity (excuse) to run barefot on the beach. The sand is pretty hard packed down by the water. That might be a fun transition! Thanks for the help.

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