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Snoqualmie,WA,

Member Since:

Jan 31, 2008

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Boston Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

Marathon PR: 4:17 at Portland Marathon, Oct. 2007

5K PR 24:37 2009

10K PR 52:58 2010

Have run 22 marathons to date.

No injuries, ever.   :)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Qualify for Boston (4:05 for my age/gender) - or, perhaps, to use my desire for a BQ as a way to get in the hated speed work so I don't just get slower and slower over the years.  This goal is "under (re)construction" right now, until I figure out whether it is truly what I want. :) 


Long-Term Running Goals:

To continue learning about myself and about running, and to enjoy being a fit, happy runner for life.   To always know why I am running and the best way to get the most (both mentally and physically) out of my runs.  To keep a sense of humor and remain optimistic about myself as a runner.  To enjoy running more and more with every passing year. 

Personal:

Baby boomer generation.  Jogged a little in my 20's and 30's.  Started running seriously in 2002.  Low-carb runner since January 2010. 

I love long runs and cold, cloudy weather.  I don't believe in "junk miles."  I am an optimist.  I adore dark chocolate, fog, my family, and knitting -- not necessarily in that order.  

"As every runner knows, running is about more than just putting one foot in front of the other; it is about our lifestyle and who we are."  -- Joan Benoit Samuelson 


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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2207.11148.5144.8044.442444.86
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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.620.000.000.007.62

Objective: easy + drills: 3 x (20 butt kicks, 20 high knees)

Weather: 37F, steady rain, windy (7-15 mph) - 9:30 AM

I went to bed with a bit of a sore throat, but thanks to the holiday I got a nice long sleep.  Still, I felt kind of low this morning. But I didn't think blowing off a run was a good way to start the new year. :)  We don't stay up late or do anything special for New Years, so I had plenty of rest.

My resolution for 2009 is to get my morning chores taken care of (along with any core/weights) before I start blogging and messing around on the computer. I really don't think it's reasonable for me to say "I resolve to spend less time blogging and surfing the internet," (won't happen), but I do think that might be the end result if I leave it until after the nitty gritty.  Moreover,  lately I've been blogging the little time I spend with weights before I actually do it, and I think I felt better when I did it right after the run -- body still warm.

This resolution means I'll probably be blogging a little later in the morning than usual. Or like today, in the afternoon. I guess that will work out. We'll see.  I'm also going to try to list the time of day (start of run) in my "weather" section.  Not much of a resolution, but in my own weird way I think it will help me get out the door on time.

Here's to a wonderful year of running.

Blue Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.62
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 19:30:58

Spending too much time blogging in the morning after my run is one of the things that has been making me late to work. I've got to find a better way.

I count getting on this blog and "meeting" you as one of the blessings I received in 2008. Here's to a great year of running in 2009.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.511.000.000.009.51

Objective: moderate, w/ fartlek @MP

Conditions: 8:15am, low 30s F, cloudy & calm, 1" new snow

20 min. core & weights

We woke up to the prettiest blanket of snow this morning; just an inch, but without our usual gales it settled nicely on even the tiniest branches.  Everything looked so beautiful. The clouds were very colorful and high enough for some spectacular views of the valley and surrounding mountains.  About half way through my run, a slightly familiar looking yellow thing came out from behind the clouds for about 5 minutes.

Thanks to an abundance of sleep and a moratorium on sugar yesterday, I am feeling more like my old self today and had a very good run.  (I do attribute some of the sluggishness of the past couple of days to a late xmas gift of truffles we received. The 3 of us went through them like a house afire, with the result that DD had a canker sore, DH experienced a relapse of a chronic tooth absess, and I had a sore throat.) 

The "fartlek" was a collection of short periods at MP whenever I could manage it with the road conditions; I am just guessing that it added up to about a mile.

Note to self:  I may not have needed the Yaktrax this morning. They were helpful on the icy places, but they also have a tendancy to accumulate snow in these conditions. With just 1 inch I probably could have done well without them. 

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 9.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 14:14:24

It's so strange that you have snow and we don't. The world has turned upside down.

I should put a moratorium on sugar. But I've already blown it for today, but not by too much.

From Kelli on Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 19:25:12

Still pushing along, rain or shine (or snow or sleet, or whatever gets thrown your way!)

You are AWESOME!!! Here is to the BEST 2009 for you---lots of fun running and speed!

From solemate on Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 22:41:06

What great conditions for a run. It sounds so pretty. And good job with the speed work!!

From The Howling Commando on Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 11:23:20

Hope your holidays were fun, Sno! I agree that sometimes just the dusting of snow with the absence of wind is all we need. It's mornings like today when I go out with a fresh dusting of snow and sunshine that I remember God's great gifts to us aren't the material things we all crave, but the beautiful naturalness of the world around us.

I am just curious about how much Yaktrax cost? I have been working an awful lot at the bookstore and might pick up a pair if they aren't too expensive, as I tend to slip and slide on the roads and I feel like I lose a lot of my energy/momentum as a result.

Hope this week is a great one!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.050.000.000.0019.05

Objective: endurance w/ moderate pace

Conditions at 7 AM: 32F, overcast, wind 5-16 mph. During run, increased clouds and wind (to  15-30 mph).  Patches of ice, still lots of snow around, streets mostly bare.

As the wind picked up and I got into an icier neighborhood, I got a little discouraged about the pace and stopped looking at the watch. Just as well. Going by effort level was the order of the day.   I had a good workout and enjoyed one of the prettiest sunrises I've ever seen up here.

Completely off topic: I came home to a surprise. My DD is studying Greek mythology and reading a wonderful book series (first book is "Lightening Thief") about Greek gods interacting with mortals. With a little help from my husband, she decorated the whole house with various gods' altars (Hermes' had one of my marathon medals and some old sneakers), a temple with an oracle, and an entrance to Hades (the basement). I was given a supply of drachmas (pennies) and some coupons (free ride on Hermes' elevator - to go upstairs) and a Greek lunch at Dionysus' Diner, complete with olives, feta, dates and "ambrosia" (juice).  Then we had a tour, and I had to go on a quest to find a golden fleece (polyester, fleece-like cat bed).  Completely delightful!  Right now she's off having a guitar lesson at Apollo's Music Shop.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 19.05
Comments
From The Howling Commando on Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 16:52:20

Wow! You have a terrific family and very talented children! Terrific run as always :) Hope your New Years was great!

From Metcalf RUnning on Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 17:33:45

That is fantastic!!! Those are things that she will remember all her life, that is great!

Way to get the miles in :) great run!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 19:18:27

Way to go on a great run and a great Greek mythology party. Your daughter sounds very creative. You must have lots of fun with her.

From solemate on Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 19:26:19

Enjoy every minute of your daughter. They grow up so quickly..............

From Becca on Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 19:41:48

How creative your daughter must be! And such initiative, too!

And as for you...19 miles in the cold, wind & ice...you're awesome! Glad you got to enjoy a pretty sunrise!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.220.000.000.004.22

Objective: easy/recovery, ending with 5 x 8 second hill sprints

Conditions at 5:22 am: 40F, raining, wind 5-15 mph (estimate).  Mostly bare streets with patches of slush and slush/snow covered sidewalks.

20 min. core & strength work

It snowed and blew like crazy from about 4 PM until I went to bed. Sometime in the night it turned to rain, but not before filling up my driveway again. Arg! The rain is melting it, thank goodness.

Nice run today. My legs don't really feel any effects from the long run but I took it slowly anyway.   On the hill sprints I tried to concentrate on my hamstrings and heel lifts. I'm a little obsessed with heel lifts at the moment. Such a small adjustment but it speeds up my pace by a huge amount.  I guess I'm making another New Year's Resolution: to get in the habit of lifting the heels and stop being a "shuffler."

My push up program is still going so slowly. It's very difficult for me to get through even 6 or 7 with full form.  Just out of curiosity I tried the girl-form pushups this morning and found I could do 20 before I started feeling the strain.  The full form are so much more difficult, and they work the core as well.  I may decide to mix them with girl pushups for a while though, just because I am getting kind of discouraged.  With 5 sets of reps, I don't think it would hurt to make one of them "girly style- as many as possible." I'm afraid if I don't feel any success I'll give up on it; they're not fun.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 4.22
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 13:41:15

I'm afraid I gave up on the push up program. I don't know if it's really possible to progress at the rate that the program seems to suggest that you should. Maybe I'll try it again after I lose 15 lbs. or so.

So we both did hill sprints today. I guess that's because were both using Hudson programs. I'll have to try thinking about heel lifting, maybe on the moderate part of my run tomorrow, if I'm feeling energetic. Or maybe not until the next time I have hill sprints.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 14:47:49

fyi- The heel lift thing is from Chi Running, although I've observed it in elites for a long time. The Chi thing says to think about relaxing the ankle and not *pushing off*. So you use the hamstrings more than the calves/feet.

From JD on Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 23:52:10

So do you get much rain and wind up there in your neck of the woods? :-)

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:39:12

a bit

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.530.000.800.007.33

 

Objective: lactate threshold (of sorts, see below) 3 mi easy + 7 x (1 min tempo, 1 min jog) + remainder moderate pace.

Conditions at 5:15 am: 39F, raining, breezy (~5-10 mph) Mostly bare pavement.

I think I'll have to go back and read Hudson's book again with regard to this tempo run plan.  I kept thinking, "what good will 1 minute intervals do at this pace?"  But maybe it's a prelude of sorts, since it's still pretty early in the training plan.  All the same, I think I might revise the plans for future tempo runs and use Daniels' formulas on tempo days: 4 sets of 10 min, building up to 2 sets of 20 minutes and then I think you run a 30 minute segment.(Not all in one run! Those are the levels of progression during the training cycle.)

I must say, it is very difficult to run at LT pace with that bulky rain jacket.  I almost went out in a fleece with a nylon vest, but the rain really looked thick out there. The cycling jacket always makes me feel completely dry and comfortable, but actually I do get quite wet. Maybe the illusion comes from the wind-breaking feature, in which case I could do with a lighter running jacket. 

Snow is still piled up in places, and the slush got into my shoes several times. Ice water - no fun.   A bit tired today.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.33
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:45:17

It sounds like you had a really soggy run. You are really a trooper to run in the kind of weather you run in. I guess that's the trade-off you make for living in the Pacific Northwest.

Let me know if you figure out why Hudson's recommended such short intervals. I've got some coming up before too long.

From Kelli on Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:27:58

Well, we can look at the positive---it is warming up a little for you! It is too bad that it creates slush and wet feet.

I love to read your reports, you are so knowledgeable. I have to look things up to see what you are talking about! You know your stuff!

From Bonnie on Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:30:54

Hi Snoqualmie!

I am not sure why Hudson calls those tempos -- they sound more like a fartlek to me ... anyway, another take on the tempo run build-up can be found here: http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=12686

... I will admit I am biased towards Greg (since he has been coaching me for 4 years now!), but he and Jack Daniels work together in Flagstaff so it should correlate closely to JD's ideas.

Great job "beating" the elements!

From Dale on Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 18:09:18

Our slush is nearly gone with these blazing 44F temps. Just remember....we were both hoping for rain when we had all that snow coming down on us. Remember? Can't complain about the rain....yet :). My memory span is pretty short, so you should be fine to really start whining about it by tomorrow!

Good job on the intervals. I like the shorter ones...they help me with my speed and really help with my form.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.110.000.000.003.11

Objective: moderate

Conditions at 5 am: 49F, heavy rain, windy (5-15 mph gusting to 25).

I had to write this one off and come home.  I severely misjudged the conditions and became too uncomfortable to finish the workout. My bad. I suppose I was just so giddy over the incredible number "49F" on the weather website that I thought I was back in summer, when rain didn't mean jackets.  My clothing was soaked through almost immediately and with the wind blowing I just could not get warm.

For future reference... what I wore: tights, tech fabric turtle neck, nylon vest.  What I should have worn: tights, thinnest tech shirt possible, medium weight gortex jacket.

This proves, once again, that gear is everything.  I was more comfortable when running in the teens a few weeks ago than I was today.  I cannot exactly make a chart of temperatures for dressing, because there are so many variables. If the wind hadn't been as strong or the rain as heavy, I might have been fine.  Or if I had been having an "up" day (not), I may have been able to tough it out.  Instead I had only one thought by the time I decided to turn back: "if I do not get into a hot shower soon, I will die." (When the going gets tough, the tough sometimes yields to the melodramatic.)  I'm sure I'll have a better (and hopefully much longer) run tomorrow.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 3.11
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:16:05

I agree. Temperature in one thing, but wind and rain are a different story. I don't have much experience with rain, but I about froze myself yesterday afternoon walking in the wind with my coworker, despite that it was in the 40s.

I hope you got your hot shower and that you have better weather tomorrow.

Maybe you need to make some kind of chart that has different clothing recommendations for different temperatures with variations for wind and rain.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:52:30

Way to tough out your run as much as you did. I don't think I would have even attempted it. Rain and wind are hard to deal with. I think I would rather run in snow then rain, and I always hate wind.

You have grat miles this week already, and I'm sure you will be able you get great miles in tomorrow. :)

From Dale on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:07:25

Good on you for actually getting out in this mess. I keep waiting for a break in the downpour but it just isn't coming. Guess I may roll the dice and see if I can't figure out how to dress for the mess too.

From JD on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:58:24

Maybe you could run with an umbrella. I hear Race Ready makes a nice running umbrella, super light weight with an angled pole so it will break wind for you too.

I'm joking of course.

From jefferey on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:43:00

Sounds like we can chalk half a point for Old Man Winter. You are still kicking his you know what! When is your next race planned? Don't forget about Sean's St. Patricks day 5k in March.

From solemate on Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 23:31:23

The clothes win every time. It is amazing the psychological influence they have on us..... just a slight misjudgment!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 08:58:23

Dear Snoqualmie -- I hope you, your family and your home are ok. I heard there were evacuations in your area because of flooding. I will be anxiously checking the blog today.

Bonnie

From jefferey on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 10:27:50

Check out Sean's blog to see pics of the City of Snoqualmie. Craziness.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 10:44:31

Thanks for the comments, everyone. I was offline most of the day yesterday. We have a leak but we're high and dry here on the Ridge.

JD- maybe running w/ an umbrella could be a new upper body + cardio workout? lol

Jeff- I didn't know about the St Pat's day run! Thanks! I've got a half m. a week from Sat., but might just treat it as a fun run. We'll see. I'm not feeling race ready these days.

Bonnie- Thanks for your concern. You are so nice. We're fine, but our neighbors down the hill are in bad shape. Thank goodness it stopped raining this morning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.380.000.000.008.38

Objective: moderate, with focus on cadence

Conditions at 5 AM: High 40sF (dropping), windy (~10-30 mph, felt mostly in open spaces), light rain first 2 miles.   Roads are wet, saw 2 flooded spots where water was gushing over curb (Carmichael at Elderberry & the area on Stellar by the pea patch).  Quite tolerable compared to our poor neighbors down the hill.

15 min core & strength

A fine run. Take that, Winter.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 8.38
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:58:10

Way to kick Winter where it counts, but be careful out there.

You're always welcome to evacuate to Colorado. We're high and dry. We've got fires in Boulder County, but I'm far away from there.

From Kelli on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 13:23:09

Oh my, that flooding is horrible! I can not believe that in the middle of winter. Crazy.

Beautiful temps today for your run, wish the wind had not been there! But great job!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:13:17

I was so relieved to see your blog (I was in a meeting so I could not respond, but I was glad). Sorry about your neighbors ...

Glad the weather cooperated a little better today for you!

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:17:56

I was about to Fedex you a dingy when I saw the weather report the other day and they mentioned Snoqualmie getting 10-20 inches of rain! :)

Hope the rest of the week is better!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 22:36:38

LOL re the dingy!

We got out and about a little today, and it was "water water everywhere." I've never seen it like this.

I appreciate all your warm wishes so much. I must say, I'm sick of thinking about weather all the time. Winter is trying to wear me down psychologically now. I'm seriously considering ignoring it and getting on with everything as if it's always like this. Wouldn't that be a great battle strategy? I signed up for Sean's 5K in March (it's on Jefferey's blog). Maybe that will help shift the focus. :)

From jefferey on Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 14:25:33

Glad to see you signed up for the 5K. It should be a good time and it's right in your neighborhood it looks like.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.650.000.000.006.65

Objective: easy, w/ form drills (see below)

Conditions at 5:15 am: 36F, mostly cloudy & dry (!), wind 6 mph, waxing gibbous moon peaking through. 

After warming up, I focused on various aspects of form, each one in turn for about 6-7 blocks. Every other mile I just relaxed and let my mind wander. Next mile I would start up again with the form focus elements: arm swing, lower leg movement & heel lift, psoas and core, cadence.

Remarkable change in weather conditons today. I hope the rivers are subsiding, but I haven't turned on the news yet.  I'm feeling rather tired this morning: not quite enough sleep and a strenuous day yesterday.  It amazes me how much my daytime activities can affect my run the next day.  I'm looking forward to my day off tomorrow.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 6.85
Comments
From jefferey on Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 11:06:43

You've already tripled my mileage this year! Thanks for helping out with my self esteem:) Way to push through even when you didn't feel like it. ...and winter goes down again...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 11:14:47

I hope you get dried out soon.

And I also notice that a rough day has an effect on the next day's run.

My husband heard someone from Snoqualmie, WA talking about floods on the radio this morning and called me to ask if you were alright. He hears me talking about you sometimes.

Enjoy your day off tomorrow and think of me doing my long run. Then I'll enjoy my day off on Sunday while you run.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 11:28:51

Good to see that you are getting a break in your weather... hope your dry out a bit.

From Dale on Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 17:45:35

It was so nice out today I almost felt guilty running what with all the flooding in the area. Glad you got to enjoy it as well!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.700.000.000.0020.70

Objective: endurance, w/ hills

Conditions, starting at 7:30 AM: 39F, rising to low 40's, wind 4-10 mph, steady rain first 3 miles, thereafter: light showers, occasional fog, cloudy, pleasant. 

A good run: very challenging but also satisfying and fun.  I always have hills on my long runs, but today I explored a new neighorhood (up near Ridgestone), which added some hills. I also pushed myself a little harder on the hills than I usually do.  I am experimenting with my running form on hills.  I think I'm going to be sore tomorrow!

Weirdness: I stopped at mile 16 to go to the bathroom and discovered that my nose was bleeding.  I mostly "cowboy sneeze" on runs, but I also have a hankie along to keep things dry. I just hadn't noticed the spots.  The bleeding soon stopped, however.  I was laughing to myself afterwards: "those hills must have been steeper than I thought!"

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 20.70
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:21:16

I hate when that happens, maybe the cold weather is drying out your nose!

Good job on the hills!

From Dale on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 18:10:55

A 20+ mile run is always a good run. Good job!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 19:40:36

Revealing my ignorance - what is a cowboy sneeze?

Great job attacking those hills. Let us know if you're sore tomorrow. With all the running you do, I bet you'll be fine.

From JD on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 20:09:01

Snoqualmie, you are a running machine!!

I use the cowboy method for clearing my nasal passages as well. It's the only way to go.

From jefferey on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 22:10:22

Winter is almost down for the count! He doesn't have much left to throw at you. Remember on "Santa Claus is coming to town" where the Winter Warlock only has a little magic feed corn and a couple of burnt down candles?

I am very, very impressed by the mileage, especially all those hills!!

From snoqualmie on Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 22:39:57

Thanks everyone! It's about 7:30 pm and my body doesn't feel too great. I'll be going to bed early to get a head start on all those cell repairs.

Carolyn - cowboy sneeze (aka snot rocket): you place a finger on one nostril and blow hard out the other -- away from the wind! The first time I ever saw it was in a race when I almost got hit by one! Ew!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.920.000.000.003.92

Objective: active recovery

Conditions at 5:30 am: 42F, foggy, light rain/heavy mist, breeze (0-7 mph)

20 min core & strength

Very tired and slightly sore today (did my work right yesterday).  I had to cancel the planned hill sprints.  I will mostly likely do them on Wednesday. 

The hill sprints in my program are always scheduled at the end of the Monday "easy" run; I don't think that's going to work most weeks.  I work pretty hard on Sundays and aside from the psychological challenge (just getting out to run at all!), I'm going to need Mondays to be Pure Easy.  I think it would be best to evaluate it on a week to week basis for now.  Some weeks it might be doable.

Later that same day.... I forgot to mention a couple of things earlier.  The first is rather trivial: I am retiring the blue Nikes today. They felt a little weird this morning.  The second is not trivial.  Believe it or not, my father-in-law has still not left the hospital.  Last night we heard they had to put him back on the ventilator. He now has pneumonia. Some blood thinners made his lungs bleed. And he has 5 different bacterial infections. How can a man survive so much?  My poor MIL practically lives at the hospital and cannot do much of anything for him.  It's just one thing after another.  All so sad.

Blue Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 3.92
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:38:41

My plan had hill sprints following an easy run on Mondays for the first two weeks, but then the Mondays switch to just easy until weeks 16, 17, 19, and 20. That's why I just did short and easy today. I think you'd be smart to make Monday just a recovery day.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:33:15

Great run yesterday! Looks like you are starting another fantastic week of milage :) Like your cowboy sneeze LOL I've never got that skill down. I usually just wipe my nose with my shirt.

From jefferey on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 13:32:37

You are a LOT tougher than I am! I take a day off after my long runs. Can't imagine doing a hill workout after 20 miles the day before. Yikes!! Glad to see that you signed up for the 5k st. patricks day run!!

From Marion on Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 21:07:15

I am sorry about your FIL :( So so sad.

Your run ROCKS!!! I love all of the thought you put into your training. I love that you share it with us :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:51:12

I'm sorry to hear about your FIL. It's really rough to be going through that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.380.000.001.007.38

Objective: VO2 max / Hill repeats : warm up, 5 x (.2 mi hill at maximum effort, 6-10% grade), moderate miles to finish.

Conditions at 5 AM: 40F, partly cloudy with patches of thick fog, waning gibbous moon showing.

15 min. core & weights

My legs are still sore today from Sunday's run,. But I kept telling myself it wasn't about legs today, it was about oxygen.  During the hill repeats I may have had gimpy form and no speed whatsoever, but as long as I was gasping for air I was doing well!  lol  I won't be doing a lot of these hill repeat workouts, partly because I get hill work every single day and I do hill sprints regularly, but also because they cut into my mileage so deeply. The slowest VO2 max workout imaginable, imo.  On the bright side, my energy level was pretty good compared to yesterday. It's amazing what difference a day can make. 

I'm adding another race to the calendar: March 22, Mercer Island Half Marathon.  My DH said, "why aren't you running it this year?" (I've run it a couple of times before.) I replied "Well, it doesn't really fit into my training schedule for Eugene..." But then I looked at the schedule and saw that I had a 15 mile run for that very day, followed by a cut-back week.   So actually, it does fit! The cut back week will be a recovery week.  I can use it as an intermediate goal, and as a time trial for my progress, though the course is hillier than Eugene by far. 

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.38
Comments
From The Howling Commando on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:22:38

Woot! Sweet run. Things that amazed me about your entry:

1. you ran at 5am!

2. you know what a gibbous moon is!

3. you pushed through the workout even though you claim it was "slow" in your opinion.

Just curious about your training schedules. I've never really followed through on a serious one before. Did you make your own or modify one form a book? Glad you're feeling better today!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:31:15

I have to say that I'm always amazed at Snoq's training! Plus her knowledge of moon phases has now pushed her over the edge! She is even more amazing !!!

The Mercer Island race looks like it is beautiful, I'm glad is worked into your training schedule.

From snoqualmie on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:59:05

I have always had a strong interest in meteorology and astronomy, but it is my great honor to be a homeschool mom, where I get a second chance to learn stuff that the schools didn't teach me.

I am in week 2 of a program from Brad Hudson's "Run Faster." But I've also modified it quite a bit because I love Pfitzinger and Daniels too. Also, I'm pretty much incapable of following rules exactly. I stress that I'm in week 2... we shall see if I can stick with it or if I go into "Snoqualmie Land" for my training choices, as usual. I want that BQ so badly!

I also am modifying for more miles than the intermediate level and fewer miles than the advanced, plus adjusting for races when I want to. Like this Saturday, I've got a half m. so Thurs & Fri will be a little off.

Thanks so much for the nice compliments! It helps SO much.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:55:48

Great workout! I'll do hill repeats one of these days. You're a great example and an inspiration.

I think it's good that you signed up for the Mercer Island Half Marathon. It's the day after the Canyonlands Half Marathon that I'm doing and we're both doing them as time trials for our May marathons. So we can run together in a virtual, if not an actual way.

I did learn about waxing/waning crescent/gibbous moons once upon a time.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 13:15:45

Carolyn - that's great! We can compare notes. :)

From solemaate on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 17:12:28

I am catching up here. I hope FIL is okay and doing the Mercer 1/2 should be fun. I am starting to add hill repeats to my schedule. They have helped me tremendously in the past. Everything isn't always about mileage, remember that!!

From Dale on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 17:19:11

Wow, those sound like hard hill repeats? Especially the max effort part....don't go there too often! Hill Repeats have become *my* favorite workout (not during the repeats, of course, only later :)) only because I reap a tremendous benefit from them in a relatively short period of time, so I hope they do the same thing for you. Although this weekend may be a tad too early to get the benefit :(.

Take it easy on yourself the rest of the week. Between those repeats and your long run a couple days ago, you're really pushing hard.

From Kelli on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 17:22:10

I am always so impressed with your planning and your reports. I know I say that all of the time, but you are such s technical runner (yet you manage to put it in words that I understand). I love to read it!

Great job on the hills, they are tough and they do seem to wear you out before you are ready! I am not a fan of hills, but they are a necessary evil, I guess!

From JD on Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 19:07:06

Sounds like you had one hill of a run this morning!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.580.000.000.007.58

Objective: easy w/ strides (x5), mini-tapering

Conditions at 5:10 AM:   32F, breeze (0-9 mph), clear and frosty.

Frosty, pretty morning.  The sky was just one wee click this side of Utter Darkness, so I could see the outlines of the mountains and the tops of conifers against the starry sky.

I continue to go back and forth as to whether I'm racing this weekend, or sort of... attending a race.  I guess I'll have to see how I feel Saturday morning.  I have two race plans, just in case. 

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.58
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:20:55

I looked at the waning gibbous moon as I was out running a little after 6:00 this morning and thought that maybe you were out running at a little after 5:00 your time under the same waning gibbous moon.

Good luck with your upcoming race. I recommend you just focus on having fun. Run fast if you feel like you can, but do it in order to have a fun time, not to achieve a specific time.

From jefferey on Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:24:01

What race are you running this Sat.? I think you mentioned that it's a Half.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 13:07:27

Nookachamps. It's up in Skagit Valley, and features migrating swans. Very pretty. I ran it a few years ago.

http://www.nookachamps.com/

From Dale on Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 14:33:47

Guess it boils down to how competitive you are and how much self control you have. I am too competitive and have no self control in this regards, so while I'll *tell* myself it's just a fun race, there I am trying not to hurl at the end. I hope you're better at not being driven by your compulsions and do what you feel is best!!!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 14:50:56

I think I'll fall on one side of the fence or the other on Saturday morning. I'm not one to be aggressive once I've started feeling sorry for myself. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.191.000.000.006.19

Objective: easy w/ 1 mi @ MP

Conditions at 5:35 AM: 32F, calm, thick fog

15 min. core and upper body

Today, I would like to talk about elbows.  In college I had an anatomy-in-art professor who liked to say "as goes the elbow, so goes the angle of the scapula." I wonder if we runners should have a similar saying that ends with "...so go the legs." 

I have a couple of bad running habits I'm trying to break.  One is curling my toes. I can't imagine why I do that but it has got to stop.  The other is what I call my "chicken arms." It's mostly the right arm now, since I've been working on it and the left is coming along nicely. But the right elbow likes to float outward and stop swinging.

When I concentrate on making the chicken arms swing properly, it's like someone flipped the turbo switch. It makes a huge difference in speed and fluidity.  I often watch my shadow as I cross through the light from street lamps to see whether I look like a "real runner," and the elbow swing makes a difference there too.  And then I ran across this little gem in one of my old running books (Miller, Programmed to Run, p. 32): "...during the later laps of high schooler Alan Webb's sub-four-minute mile... his coach Scott Raczko 'implored him to "Keep going! Drive your elbows back!"'"

I have a photograph of Deena Kastor, taken by a friend of mine at the Women's Olympic Marathon Trials in Boston last year.  Deena was practically flying down the home stretch and my friend snapped her photo at the exact moment when Deena was directly in front of her. (So there is no trick of the angle.)  Deena's elbow is so far back that it's practically level with her shoulder.  I can scarcely make my elbow go that far back while sitting in this chair!  Add running, and making sure the shoulders stay down and relaxed, and that's a real challenge.  But later on the same page of Miller books, we read this: "Craig [Poole, women's track coach at BYU] pointed out that both turnover and push-off are managed by posture and arm swing.  ...He went on to say not only that running technique is the foundation of perfromance but also that it can be taught and learned." [My emphasis.]

So here's to reaching for our goals with our elbows. :)

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 6.19
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:23:19

Dang! I've got to start driving my elbows back!

Thanks for the lesson.

From Sean Sundwall on Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 14:30:21

Send along or post the picture of Deena if you can. It's always helpful to visualize what you are talking about.

From Dale on Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 17:09:41

Great reminder on how important form is!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 21:23:35

Snoqualmie - Dean and I have a book on running form where this guy suggests using a long piece of elastic that you sew together and hangs around your neck. Then you slip your arms through the ends (think of two slings) this forces your arms to stay high, and if you position the "sling" on the correct position on the length of your arms you "force" your arms in exactly the same place as you are "supposed to". I will find the title of the book and see if I can get some pictures scanned.

I actually think about this a lot when I run, especially when I am tired. And actually, when I am running "fast" my arms naturally gravitate to this ... especially when thinking "drive, drive, drive".

Take care, keep up the good work!!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 21:25:30

Note, that is "hang around your neck", not hangs...long day!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

It's Thursday night, and I'm pre-blogging my non-run. lol  Resting Friday for a Saturday race.  But since I've got a minute, by special request (see Thursday entry and comments), here is Deena, goddess of the arm swing...

deena boston trials 2008

Comments
From redrooster on Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 00:05:47

good luck in the race! hope the weather has improved!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:22:18

I'm anxiously awaiting your race results. Have a fantastic race.

So I have a question. Deena has her right arm swung way back, but what about her left arm? I thought you were supposed to avoid having your arms cross in front of your body, but that seems to be what she's doing here. Was I mistaken? Should I bow to the goddess of the arm swing and beg forgiveness?

From JD on Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:34:43

Have a great time this weekend!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:45:49

Carolyn - Deena's forward swing looks just like the recommendation in Thomas Miller's book, Programmed to Run. I think it's just a different approach.

BTW, don't look forward too much for my results! lol I'm only in week 2 and I am not sure which race plan I'll pick tomorrow. But Western Washington is covered in fog this week (my favorite), so that might push me over the line to decide to really race it. At this point I'm thinking of viewing it as a progression workout. My intention signing up was just to have a mid-winter event to look forward to and keep me motivated. It's a war, you know. ;) I might bring a camera and make it a Tour of Swans run.

Race: Nookachamps Winter Runs (13.1 Miles) 02:04:06
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.4012.100.000.0014.50

Misc. details:  Warm up before race: 1.4 miles easy w/ some short strides.   Low to mid 30's F & very foggy.   First mile of race at easy pace.  Hills at mile 1, 6, 10.5 (big one).  1 gel.  Driving time to race: 1:35 each way.  Time listed above is from my Garmin (haven't checked for official time yet).  No chip timing, old fashioned hand entries.  The race finishes with an up hill climb, hate that.

The good news is that I love fog and it was very foggy. The bad news: no swan sightings. I could hear them out there in the fields but it was just too thick to see them. (This race is known for it's traverse through an area where migrating Trumpeter Swans stop to feed and rest.) 

The very good news is... PR's!!  Six minute course PR and 1 minute PR for the distance.  When I woke this morning I was pretty sure I would race this course at a hard level. I just felt really good.  I can honestly say I left nothing on the course; I worked really hard. 

2:04 does not bode particularly well for a BQ (4:05), but I've got over 3 months of hard work between now and May, so maybe I'll have a shot.   The most exciting aspect of the course PR is that I think it reflects the fact that this is the very first winter where I've really kept my running up.   My 1 minute PR for the half-m is such a wee little thing, but I'll be running the course of my previous PR in March (Mercer Island Half), so we'll see what that race has to say.  :)

Not much to report about the race itself.  This is a well organized but small race, with (imo) a fast field of runners.  (Who else wants to race a Half in the dead of winter here?) This is my third running of this course, and I have always felt that the bulk of the runners are very fast and competitive. Not great for my psyche, being a slow one, but it's also very inspiring to me.

Most of the course runs through farmland, with a bit of woods and small town. There is a pretty lake around mile 6-7.  Not much to see today, due to the fog. 

I had one real problem during the race, and I believe it may have cost me.  There seemed to be a lot more cars on the road this year than I remember.  A police car came through at about mile 3 and warned us all to keep to the right, after which we all went single file while the cars whizzed past us. It was frightening, but the worst consequence was trying to pass people.  After starting the race slowly, I began to steadily pass other runners by about mile 3 [insert crazy happy dance here].  But it really screwed up my pace to do so without being run over.  Trying to keep my pace between 8:55 and 9:10, I'd hover behind someone at 9:30, getting all stressed about having to slow down, then speed up to 8:45 or even 8:30 to pass them, getting winded in the process.  We made a turn around mile 5 and the traffic lessened, but there were still enough cars (going quite fast) to keep us crowded to the side of the road.  So much for practicing steady pacing! Gr.

One thing I love about this race is the gym. The race is held at a small college in Mt. Vernon, WA. The runners get to stay inside in the warmth until it's time to warm up.  After the race, runners may use the showers and locker rooms, and the race provides hot foods in the warm gym -- perfect for a January event.

My splits: 9:56, 9:04 (downhill), 9:24, 8:57, 9:01, 9:19 (small, steep hill), 9:22, 9:14, 9:07, 10:06 (long hill),10:08, 9:46, 9:04, last .1 @ 9:25 (uphill finish).

I've go to scoot. I'll come back for editing and adding later when I have time.  :) Sno  [More details added above.]

With the long driving time, I just had enough time to enter my draft report, take a short nap, and get tidied up for our evening out. We had a lovely dinner in Seattle and went to see The Pearl Fishers.  Excellent production! But even with the nap, I was dead tired by the time we made it home.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 14.50
Comments
From Becca on Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 20:13:19

Awesome run...congrats on the PRs! What a great feeling! Sorry you didn't get to see the swans though, that would have been neat!

From Bonnie on Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 20:44:19

Congratulations Snoqualmie!! ... This is early in the cycle for you, Mercer Island will be a much better indicator in for your marathon! I think this is great! I hope you get a chance to celebrate a little tonight.

From JD on Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:06:33

Nice job Snoqualmie! That's a great pace! Sounds like a fun event, what with the showers and the food and the gym.

Onward through the fog!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:11:35

Congratulations on the PR! This proves that you're still climbing that bell curve - you haven't peaked yet. There are bigger and better things to come!

Is the March half marathon your next race?

From Dale on Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:38:41

Congrats on the PR! Hopefully you won't be running a BQ attempt on a course with a bunch of hills, so you're probably closer to a 4:05 than you think. Keep up the great training and you will get there. For now, just enjoy a good solid race and a PR!

From Marion on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:01:46

Congratulations! That time is awesome! Yipee!

From snoqualmie on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:30:00

Thanks everyone! I've updated the report this morning with a little more detail.

Carolyn - next up is a 5K in early March. I've got work to do!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:36:48

I just looked at your split times. Those are great splits. I hope I can do that well at the Canyonlands Half in March.

Way to go!

It seems like you don't do a lot of shorter races. How do you feel about 5Ks? Do they stress you out because you feel like you have to run fast, or do they seem easy because they're short?

From snoqualmie on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:21:57

5K's are like the opposite of therapy for me. I finish feeling like a fat, slow, Failure. I can't even remember when I last tried one, so maybe the next will be different. Even yesterday, I felt like I really should be able to go faster for a half; the legs were willing but the lungs were weak. I definitely have oxygen issues. Anyway, to me 5K's are like a spotlight shining on my inadequacy. I'm slow on long distances too, but at least there I have my endurance to be proud of.

From Mark on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 15:36:18

Great job on the race and congrats on the PR! I think you should be able to hit that BQ pretty soon since this wasn't an easy course and you have a lot of training still ahead.

From Kelli on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 19:12:54

YEAH FOR THE PR's!!!! Your work is for sure paying off and I have not doubt that you will get that BQ!

GREAT JOB!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 22:00:10

YAHOOOO for PR's!!! Congratulations on a great run!

From nicole on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 22:12:58

Congrats on the PR! You rock! What other races are you planning on doing - which 5k? Congrats again - way to dominate!

From snoqualmie on Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 22:19:16

Hi Nicole,

I'm doing a St. Pat's 5K in March (runsnoqualmie.com), Mercer Island Half M. in late March, all building up to the Eugene Marathon in May. I see you are near me here in Washington! Take care! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.610.000.000.006.61

Objective: easy / recovery

Conditions at 5:15 am: 49F, clear & starry, windy (15 mph gusting to 27 mph). 

15 min. core & upper body strength

In the middle of January, a clear sky and strong east winds normally means: cold! What a weird phenomenon to be having this little "heat wave."  Not much explanation on Cliff Mass's blog, just that the cold air got "scoured out." Huh? But where did the warm air come from? It's 27F in Ellensburg (just over the Cascades).

The legs feel only a bit sore today, but very heavy and tired.  I am so glad that I was able to push myself on Saturday.  The experience left me with a great feeling of motivation towards training hard in the months to come. 

I had a little time this weekend to read the recent issue of Running Times and found 3 particularly interesting pieces: 1) a short interview with Deena Kastor (she may be able to start racing again this spring!), 2) an article by Brad Hudson about hill sprints (nice to have the review) and 3) a column on mid-foot, forward leaning running style (sort of a review of all the different approaches and what they have in common - very relevant to what I've been working on).  There were also some interesting articles on Masters running.  A good issue.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 6.61
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 14:12:52

We're unseasonably warm as well. We both seem to be behind that cold front that's been moving across the midwest.

Those articles sound interesting. I get Runner's World, but not Running Times. Maybe I should try to pick up that issue.

I'm really glad that you had a good race on Saturday and that it has motivated you to train hard these coming months.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.530.000.000.007.53

Objective: easy, w/ 3 mi @ moderate pace (after 2 mi warm up), MP + 45-50 sec

Conditions at 5:15 am: 40F (colder in spots, eg icy in Stellar Park area), some wind (5-15 mph w/ gusts to 20), mostly clear. 

I think it may have been a little early (since my race) to throw in those faster paced miles. At the moment it felt wonderful, but then I paid for it.  I grew very tired and even got a little cold. I ended up cutting the run short by about a half mile.


Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.53
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:22:23

Great run. Take it easy now and get recovered.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.690.000.000.007.69

Objective: easy run

Conditions at 5:00 am: 34F, wind 10 mph, gusting to 18, clear

20 min. strength work

How many times have you read this statement?  "Running is such a simple sport; just put on some shoes and go..."  It should be illegal.  Or, perhaps anyone who wants to print it should be forced to do just that -- in my neighborhood, in the dark, in January -- just put on some shoes and go.  I timed myself at 5 minutes this morning, from "time to go" to actually being on the sidewalk.  Maybe it's just me and my style, but there is an awful lot more than shoes to put on.

A couple of years ago Marathon & Beyond (Vol. 10, # 5) did a series of 3 articles by Guy Avery called "Training and Racing Within Your Personal Marathon Zone." At the risk of over-simplifying Avery's article (which provides quite a bit of information beyond this little tidbit), he advises the runner to add six minutes to the "realistic" goal time when calculating pace "for purposes of training recommendations:" miles 1&2 (of the marathon) @ MP + 30 seconds,  miles 3 & 4 @ MP + 20 seconds,  and miles 5 & 6 @ MP + 10 seconds.  "Essentially, this cutdown gets you to start slowly and ease in to training and racing at your operative goal pace." He points out that there are many variations on this cutback formula.

Last summer I asked what people thought about this on another marathon forum and the response was surprisingly negative.  "Even pacing is best" was the counterargument.  One 2:40 marathoner whom I respect a great deal warned me that to be 2 minutes behind goal at mile 7 is not something she would intentionally do.   I proceded to attempt even pacing at Portland and had a very bad race, partly due to inadequate warm up, imo.   At CIM, I started slowly and had a wonderful race, though not my fastest. 

So now I'm back to thinking about Avery's cutback formula.  In order to use it, one's pace after mile 6 would have to be that much faster. On the other hand, that faster pace would be maintained for fewer miles, and with a better warm up period.  Avery goes on to describe why it works, how it works, and all the advantages, so I may be over-simplifying it here.  I continue to ponder...

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.69
Comments
From Bonnie on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:19:16

I like Guy's idea - but I disagree with his formulaic approach. I have never been able to race well when I seek a specific time goal for every mile. For me anyway, it is much more about trusting how you feel at these landmark mile posts. I actually do the same thing, but without having an expected "time" and instead having a expected "feel" . Whenever I have used this in my races (or training runs actually) I have surprised myself at how well I can do the last 20% of a race.

Guy Avery coached some of my friends when I lived in Nashville, most of them improved a lot under his tutelage!

From Bonnie on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:24:37

oh, by the way, I also believe that in order to run Guy's cut-back idea in a race you have to train the same way (it is hard to implement something on race day that you don't normally do in training -- "you play as you practice").

what is up with the gusting wind there?? yuck, I really despise wind more than rain/sleet/snow.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:27:52

I don't know about the specific pace calculations, but I agree with the general principle of starting slow and getting progressively faster. I run that way all the time. Maybe it just suits my personal style better, but I run much better with a significant warm up. Of course I'm no expert.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:29:50

In your 5 minute time this morning from "time to go," what does "time to go" mean? Is it rolling out of bed or something else? I was a full 40 minutes from rolling out of bed to on the sidewalk and moving. That included eating a bowl of cereal, getting dressed, and waiting for my Garmin to find satellites.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 13:26:49

Thanks for the ideas, Bonnie. I am not sure how I would do it "by feel." I tend to mistrust my feelings in a long race because of all the times I've blown it. I like to keep an eye on the Garmin, and I've often said to myself after checking it "whoa, back off!" Or, later in the race "move!" I guess that's something to work on in training.

One thing I disliked (or maybe just don't understand) about Avery's article is his conservative goal setting. It's all based on current fitness, and yet you'd think that's the one thing that is going to change dramatically if you train well. (eg marathon goal pace = to half m. time doubled plus 8 minutes)

Re the wind: that's our lot in life from Oct to Mar. here. We live at the mouth of a mountain pass between two very different weather zones.

Carolyn - "time to go" is about 30 min after I get up. I get up, dress, feed cats, drink coffee, use potty, check weather... somehow it adds up. And the gear comes on and that seems to take about 5 min. to gather, put on, adjust.

From JD on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 14:36:45

"just put on your shoes and go..." yeah, that's pretty funny. Another good one is "running is a poor mans sport" haha! Let's see: Shoes every 6-8 weeks, various apparel for all weather conditions, water bottles, garmin/sports watch, fees for races/travel to races, extra dietary food/supplements...and time. Probably not a lot of homeless folks on the roads training for marathons.

I just run how I feel. It makes sense to warm up before a run. I don't have the discipline I guess to follow such specific paces and such. I make up my workouts usually as I go. Although it's good to have some goals and structure in your training, otherwise you'd never get anywhere.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 14:38:30

Oh yeah - "poor man's sport!" lol On which planet?

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 15:06:17

Interesting ideas... lots of food for though. I tend to be more like JD. I think I will adopt a new "New Years Resolution" to have more discipline like Bonnie and Snoq :)

From Dale on Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 16:57:15

I like the idea of starting a marathon a bit slow but IMHO 6 miles seems excessive. For other races, I will run a few warmup miles so it's not a factor, but I know for everyday runs, it usually takes me at least a mile to get loosened up, so a slower marathon start makes sense for me. I've found that intentionally trying to hold back combined with race day exuberance usually has me pretty close to my goal pace, so I can't say I've had much luck in the practice of holding back.

Look at it this way....it'll only cost you a couple of minutes in one marathon to try it out and see if it works for you. If so, you'll wind up PR'ing and won't even notice the minutes. But I agree with Bonnie....you'll need to practice at least a few times on longer runs to see if it makes sense.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.370.000.000.008.37

Objective: 4 easy, 3 moderately hard, 1+  easy (coming to end of recovery/cutback week)

Conditions at 5 AM: 36F, mostly clear & calm, heavy fog in part of neighborhood

15 min. strength work

I was slightly underdressed this morning and had a hard time with the cold.  My hands and face never did get comfortable. 

I'm ready for daylight to start coming back.  I had a terrible nightmare last night that involved running in the dark, and I felt that lingering sense of anxiety on my run this morning.  The streets can be awfully deserted, especially very early in the run, and sometimes it feels like I'm the only person on the planet.  It will be months before I'm running in complete daylight again, but a lighter sky is just a few weeks away I think.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 8.37
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:06:48

Running alone in the dark can be kind of spooky.

Congratulations on reach the end of your recovery/cutback.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:33:22

Sometimes I like the feeling of being the only person on the planet, but then there are the times I spook myself on a run in the dark. I'm with you though... can't wait to have it a bit lighter :)

From Dale on Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 20:23:23

Me too! Bring out the sun longer!!! And bring back the 50s (temps, not the decade)!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.800.000.000.007.80

Objective: easy, finishing w/ 4 x 40 butt kick drills

Conditions at 5AM:  36F, patchy fog

The front of my clothing was covered in frost when I came home.  But I did dress more comfortably today, which made a big difference in my enjoyment of the run.

The trouble with counting the start of the week as Sunday is that it sometimes makes one's mileage appear inconsistent.  In my paper log, the week always begins on Monday, so that either a Saturday or Sunday long run will "belong" to the same week.  Last week's 60+ miles included a long run on Sun. and a Half Marathon on the following Sat.  "Snoqualmie good."  This week's sub 40 miles show a rest day on Sun. (post race) and a rest day on Sat. (before Sun. long run).  "Snoqualmie bad."  If I "equalize" them with my paper log, I get a week of ~45 followed by a week of ~48 (if my 18 miler comes through on Sun.).  "Snoqualmie a little low, but consistent."


Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.80
Comments
From Marion on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:12:13

Ah Ha! I agree that sunday should fall on the previous week. I always use sunday as a day of rest, but many races and long runs fall on sunday. My workout weeks always begin on Monday too. I know you ROCK!!!

From Marion on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:13:53

I am so glad that you posted the link to the running skirts blog. I am rewarding myself with one or two of their skirts for my 25# loss. They are so cute.

From JD on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:30:35

I hear you. I keep a paper running log. Part of my daily entry is called "week ending today" which gives me my total mileage for the the week every day. A couple of times I've had weekly totals of 65 miles, but here during the same week I might net 50 miles. I wonder about some of the really high mileage runners, some of there weekly totals may fall into the 130 mile range occasionally.

Ultimately it doesn't matter of course, you run what you run...and then you run some more...

From Kelli on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:24:33

I agree, the week should start on Monday! It does not make sense to start on a Sunday at all. But great job on your two 40+ weeks, that is awesome! And awesome job on the 4x40 butt kick drills. I think that should become the official name!!!

Have a great weekend and keep up your awesome work. You always impress me with what you do and how you ALWAYS do it, rain or shine (or hail or sleet), feeling good or feeling bad, whatever!! You are an amazing athlete!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:54:57

To be the devil's advocate here, I like that the Sunday start of the week messes up your weekly mileage calculation because it enables me to be you in mileage once in a while! (Just kidding.)

And of course JD is right, you run what you run and your body doesn't care whether the week starts on Sunday or Monday. You develop the fitness regardless of what the paper or the internet says.

Way to kick butt.

From jefferey on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 13:54:55

That's weird that it was that much warmer when you went out at 5. It was mid to upper 20's at our place at 6:45ish which is probably a little higher(elevation) than you are. Crazy Cold and Freaky Fog!!

From snoqualmie on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 14:30:01

Jeff - I think that's what messed me up so much yesterday. I thought "woo hoo, 36," and it was more like 32 or lower in much of the neighborhood. Everything in my yard is coated with sparkly frost even right now (at 11:30 am) unless it's been in the weak sun for a while.

Thanks for all the smiles I got from everyone's comments this morning.

From jefferey on Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 14:38:36

I keep forgetting to tell you that since you mentioned armswing I've been doing it more and it has helped my pacing quite a bit. It also increases my HR but it's worth it.

You are beating Old Man Winter to a pulp and he is scaring me to stay inside. Good on you!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.130.000.000.009.13

Objective: 4 easy, 4 moderate, 1+ easy, with hill sprints (sort of; see below)

Conditions at 4:50 AM: Same as yesterday: 39F, heavy mist, SE wind 5-10 mph

After run: 15 min strength work

OK. About those hill sprints... With apologies to Mr. Brad Hudson, I decided to sprinkle them throughout my run instead of bunching them at the end, seeing as how I get a steep grade hill at least once every mile in this neighborhood, and "rollers" in between.  I'll admit, I have a very hard time following rules.  Not to say that I won't do it "right" in the future, but I really liked just throwing the sprints in here and there when a short, steep hill presented itself. 

I have an addition observation about arm swing, to continue the discussion from last week. Thomas Miller recommends the arm swing that Deena is using, where the forward motion brings the hand up and in, close to the heart. The Chi Running guy says to keep the arm at a 90 degree angle. Both recommend (along with other coaches) that the elbow come backwards pretty far (for speed anyway).   Sooooo... today I did an informal experiment with both methods to compare them.  I believe the Miller/Deena Way felt easier and more natural.  It seems like the concept of centrifugal force is at work here: that the arms require less energy to swing when they are kept close to the body. What do you think, bloggers?   And by the way, I am equally preoccupied with the whole push off vs. heel lift motion, but I just don't have anything to say about it. haha

Special treat today.  A guy on Ravelry (that's my virtual knitting community) posted a link to his wonderful photo essay of his Boston Marathon, here.  (Surprised at guys who knit? Don't be!

Hope you're smiling by now.  :) Sno

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 9.13
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.360.000.000.0018.36

Objective: endurance/moderate (Meant to be a progression workout, but just didn't have it in me today.)

Conditions at 7 AM:  32F, occasional light snow, some fog.  Windy at times.  1/2 to 1 inch of new snow,  streets mostly bare but icy in spots.  Sidewalks covered in some areas. 

Not a very good run today.  I had a problem with my energy level to begin with and I might be fighting a cold.  Then about mile 8 I decided to try working (mentally) through a personal conflict I've had the past couple of days.  Instead of the usual running-inspired flash of genius and resolution, it ended up with a private pity party and a drain of what little energy I had left. Ah well. That can sometimes happen.  The goal of the run then became: "finish the miles," and I'm pleased that I was able to do it. 

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 18.36
Comments
From JD on Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 14:53:10

Sheesh! Nice long run! I wish I could run 18 + miles under even ideal conditions/state of mind. You inspire me to toughen up...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 19:57:12

Great job finishing your long run, progression or not. I hope you get your conflict resolved. You are such a dedicated runner.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:09:51

Way to stick it out on a long tough run... I have been struggleing with the mental thing... maybe I'm just plain mental LOL but sometimes I think our attitudes have alot to do with the way we feel.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.100.000.000.003.10

Objective: just get out the door.

Conditions at 5:45 AM: 23F, wind ch. 18F, wind 4-9 mph, clear. Very icy.

15 min. strength work

I was so stiff this morning.  Around mile 2 I started feeling good, but still glad to come in. Just a wee three this morning. Like yesterday, lots of snot. (Excuse me.)  I don't think it's a cold exactly, but maybe there is a bug I'm fighting. 

To get better footing on the icy streets, I've been running in the sand and gravel at the edge of the road, that was left from the snow plows back at xmas time.  My shoes were starting to make a lot of noise, so I took a look at the bottoms and all the little grooves are filled with tiny rocks.  Studded tires! lol

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 3.10
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:08:15

The soles of my shoes are filled with tiny rocks as well. Is that the sign of a true road warrior?

I hope you're able to beat down that bug. Take it easy.

From jefferey on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 16:05:16

...and it's a timid left jab at Mr. Winter... I'm impressed that you even went outside. Yikes!! It's extremely cold out there. Took me 10 minutes just to get the ice off my car for work.

From Kelli on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 20:39:00

You can say snot!!!! Man it is cold, but, once again, you are out there! You are such an inspiration to me!! GREAT JOB!

From Dale on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 21:10:45

Glad I'm not the only one who's nose starts mass producing that stuff as soon as it gets a little chilly outside!!!

Fire away!!!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 21:42:02

Try to drink lots of fluids... hope your are not getting a bug.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.180.000.002.508.68

Objective: VO2 improvement - warm up + 6 x (4 min hard,  4 min jog) + cool down miles

Conditions at 5:00 AM:  31F, light wind (2-10 mph), snowing lightly. Pavement went from bare and dry to white within 1st 4 miles, then snow stopped falling. 

I'm just guessing at the number of VO2 miles.  I went by time and by effort level but I think I was pretty slow for a VO2 session due to the snow and the tiredness.  Nevertheless, I feel really happy with this workout because I pushed myself. 

There is an interesting discussion about cadence on the Running Times marathon forum.  Lots of points of view & lots of things to mull over + some links to drills videos but I haven't watched them yet. 


Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 8.68
Comments
From leslie on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:11:02

ARe you over your bug? I was just reading your last few entries, I just noticed your number of marathons. I also have done 16! I have decided to the grand slam this season so by the end of the year I will hit 20! You sure have impressive times!!! I hope your personal issues are resolved, I agree running can be a huge help in sorting things out. Have a great day!

From snoqualmie on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:24:56

Thanks, Leslie! I never really came down with anything. It just feels like I'm fighting it. I hope you get your 20th! I'll probably do 3 in 2009, but maybe I will sneak in a 4th for number 20. My major (fast) ones will be Eugene in May and ??? in the fall. I'm signed up for the inaugural Seattle Rock N Roll just 'cuz I couldn't resist (will not race it fast). My desire for a BQ is becoming an obsession, so that's my main objective rather than quantity. :D

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:34:10

Good job going out in the snow today. I was a wimp. I'll follow your link for the cadence discussion a little later. I've been thinking a lot about cadence lately. You always point me to good information.

From JD on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:47:19

Nice workout. It's good to see you've got some "decent" weather up there...anything over 30 degrees and winds under 10 mph is good...I guess...

Spring can't get here soon enough.

From Kelli on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 14:54:28

Great workout once again!!! I am glad your temperatures are warming up some. Hope the SNOT was under control today, the cold sure does make that hard!!

From jefferey on Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 17:36:18

That was an uppercut to Winter right there. VO2 max work with snow on the ground...and Winter goes down for a standing 8 count! Excellent work!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.450.500.000.006.95

Objective: easy, w/ fast finish

Conditions at 5:20 AM: 39F, light breeze (2-10 mph), something between a light rain and a heavy mist coming down.

After run, 20 min strength work

Not much to report today.  Pleasant, uneventful run.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 6.95
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:10:12

You deserve a pleasant, uneventful run. I wish I could consistently manage to get myself out as early as you do.

From Bonnie on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:32:55

Ahhhh ... those pleasant, uneventful runs are great!!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:38:00

Carolyn, I don't know what you are talking about! You've been amazingly consistent, with awesome mileage? Me? I was supposed to do 8 this morning. Got out the door late and then had a bathroom stop to top it off. Gr. Well, thanks for the compliment and your support -- always appreciated!

From JD on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:45:46

You and C in C both put me to shame with your early morning prowess! I probably won't do a lot of early mornings again until it's 80+ degrees in the afternoons...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:21:16

I can do the miles. It's just the early start I struggle with. I need to consistently get out the door by 5:30, except on days when I drive the boy to seminary, and I just can't seem to do it. I guess I need to go to bed earlier. What time do you go to bed, Snoqualmie?

From snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:33:26

9:00 PM when I can manage it. By 9:30 I start to feel panicky if I'm still up. I agree; bedtime is crucial.

From jefferey on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:29:50

Gorgeous weather today! I ran at 7:30ish and it was slightly misty but otherwise nice. Have you gotten to the HS track yet? It's OK to run on but there is still a little mud on a small part of it.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 17:17:12

I glad I'm not the only one that gets panicky that they are not in bed by 9:30. If I'm later then that... I'm usualy so stressed that I can't sleep at all... then it just sucks!

From snoqualmie on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 19:49:08

Jeff - No (shameful face), I haven't been to the track. I look at my shiny key every now and then... I would have to either go on Saturday and give up my rest day, or Sunday and sacrifice my long run. I should just arrange for DD to go to a friend's house and "make it happen," but I haven't due to Procrastination. No other excuse.

Hey MR, have you discovered Melatonin? On Mondays I have to take DD to gymnastics in the evening. I floss and brush before we go, and when I get home at 8:55ish, I rush to the PJ's, and take 3 mg of Melatonin so I can "hurry" to sleep. It's totally safe and natural, since it is the exact same chemical your brain makes to put you to sleep. Great stuff.

From Brian on Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 20:08:10

Your mileage is impressive. I was just wondering if you have any comments regarding the Seattle marathon in June....I'm thinking on running that one....is it a good qualifying coarse. My brother lives in North Bend, Seattle and I visit him often....thought I would go there and run that marathon.....I'm really hoping to qualify this year....thats my goal.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:29:38

Hi Brian, I'm just a short drive from North Bend -- what a coincidence. That June marathon is an inaugural race. I'm signed up for it too, but no one knows exactly what the course will be-- not even the directors at this point. (At least they're not telling.) The description sounds like it will be pretty flat for a good deal of the way (on Lake Washington Blvd, which is gorgeous by the way), but they are going to *have to* run it through some hills if they want to finish it at/near Quest Field as planned. I share your high hopes for a BQ this year, but I'm not banking on that race. Too much unknown about it, plus the hills. I mostly signed up for fun, and because it's so close, and because I like being a part of an inaugural race. I *am* hoping to get a good time (if not a BQ) at the Eugene Marathon in May. That's a fast course for sure. Good luck with your decision!

From Brian on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:21:04

Thanks for the info.....I think I will sign up for that run.....and it will be a nice time to spend with my brother!....hopefully not too much rain!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.130.000.000.009.13

Objective: 4 easy, 4 moderate, 1+ easy, with hill sprints (sort of; see below)

Conditions at 4:50 AM: Same as yesterday: 39F, heavy mist, SE wind 5-10 mph

After run: 15 min strength work

OK. About those hill sprints... With apologies to Mr. Brad Hudson, I decided to sprinkle them throughout my run, seeing as how I get a steep grade hill at least once every mile in this neighborhood, and "rollers" in between.  I'll admit, I have a very hard time following rules.  Not to say that I won't do it "right" in the future, but I really liked just throwing the sprints in here and there when a short, steep hill presented itself. 

I have an addition observation about arm swing, to continue the discussion from last week. Thomas Miller recommends the arm swing that Deena is using, where the forward motion brings the hand up and in, close to the heart. The Chi Running guy says to keep the arm at a 90 degree angle. Both recommend (along with other coaches) that the elbow come backwards pretty far (for speed anyway).   Sooooo... I did an informal experiment with both methods to compare them today.  I believe the Miller/Deena Way felt easier and more natural.  It seems like the concept of centrifugal force is at work here: that the arms require less energy to swing when they are kept close to the body. What do you think, bloggers?   And by the way, I am equally preoccupied with the whole push off vs. heel lift motion, but I just don't have anything to say about it. haha

Special treat today.  A guy on Ravelry (that's my virtual knitting community) posted a link to his wonderful photo essay of his Boston Marathon, here.  (Surprised at guys who knit? Don't be!

Hope you're smiling by now.  :) Sno

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 9.13
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:30:23

I am smiling as a matter of fact. That photo essay of the Boston Marathon was wonderful! Thanks for the special treat!

BTW, I think your hill sprints are just fine. Hudson would probably be all for them. He loves hills.

From JD on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 14:48:38

4:50 AM? Does 4:50 AM really exist? Never heard of it.

BTW, what does strength work entail? I do pushups/situps several times a week, is that the same thing?

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 15:56:22

Sno, those are great links... my sister and my olderst daughter are knitters :) and the pictures of boston make me want to run it even more :)

BTW good run for the day

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 17:05:46

JD, my strength work: always abs (various exercises), always pushups, and then a mixture (sort of rotating) of lunges, hamstring curls on the big ball, all kinds of dumbbell work for arms, shoulders and back, a few stretches and finish w/ The Stick (ah!).

From jefferey on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 00:51:07

My buddy Bruce calls it the stick of Death. ...another round is one by Snoqualmie...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.650.000.000.007.65

Objective: easy to moderate w/ form drills

Conditions at 5:15 AM: 33F, clear and calm. Bare pavement except icy in Stellar Pk. area (as usual). 

This was a very sluggish run. I just couldn't get going. Since tomorrow is my (much anticipated) day off, that's it for January.  I'm over 200 miles for the month, so I am pleased.  In February I hope to add more fast paced runs and concentrate on staying consistent. 

Regarding my battle with Winter. I guess I have 1-2 months left for potentially harsh weather, but really I feel like the  main victory is complete. I  no longer look out at the street in the morning and wonder if I can stand to run in whatever is out there. I don't question it. For the first winter ever, I just assume I'll run. 

There is a little voice of doubt in my head that tells me I've been lucky, and that the weather just hasn't been that bad.  Probably true.  I've had some great days for my long runs, and the winds have really not been too bad most mornings.  Still, I feel confident that I am going to emerge victorious. :)

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 7.65
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:05:45

I just have to marvel when you say the weather just hasn't been that bad. You've had a ton of snow and from my vantage point it seems like you've run in all kinds of rough weather.

I'm kind of feeling the same way - that with January ending there's a light at the end of the winter tunnel, even though March is typically the snowiest month in Denver.

In any case, here's to the defeat of January!

From JD on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 14:49:17

Great month Snoqualmie! Way to kick ol' man Winter where it counts...in the teeth! It seems like you've run through some pretty severe weather...I don't know if Winter's quite ready to loosen its grip yet though. I look forward to getting out at 6:00AM, in daylight, for a run in shorts and t-shirt again.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 15:26:23

Way to go on your miles for the month!! That is great!

Lori

From jefferey on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 16:26:11

You've officially more than doubled my miles. Thanks for making me feel inadequate... Nice consistency! Where is Ole Man Winter today. I think he's on vacation down south because you have been absolutely pummeling him non-stop.

From snoqualmie on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 20:07:51

You guys are so funny. Thanks for making me smile!

I just got up from...(drum roll please)... a NAP. Yes, one of those things where you lay down on the couch "just for a minute" and wake up a half hour later. What a feeling! I have not had enough sleep this week I guess.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 20:11:46

Congratulations on your nap! I've heard of naps before, but mostly they just exist in my imagination.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

No run today.  I'm just posting so that you all can see that little number under "sleep time." Nine.  Niiiiiine...  This feels really good. Could someone please remind me later, when I'm posting a crappy run and the number says seven? 

I would also like to share this little celebration with my blogging friends: I mentioned yesterday that I'm very pleased with my January mileage, but here is the gold medal to make it real. I was going through my old running logs to see how this winter compares to my past Battles With The Elements.  It looks like I didn't keep mileage records until 2004 (funny, I don't remember why I didn't, or what made me start doing it).  But we can assume that 2002 and 2003 were in the 50 to 60 range at the most.  I don't believe I ever even ran in the rain in the early days.

Jan. 04:  87.8 miles
Jan. 05:  127.9 miles
Jan. 06:  95.7 miles
Jan. 07:  111.9 miles

I was going to end my post with a snappy quotation about perseverance. But I can't choose, they're all so good! Go ahead and have all of them...

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 16:31:55

You had an awesome January! Way to go! Hip, hip, hooray! You are amazing. Really.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 19:33:21

I have to agree with Carolyn that is a great January mileage. You have been pretty consistent the past few years, I can see why you are running so good.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.210.000.000.0020.21

Objective: endurance

Conditions: 31 F up to 36 F, varying wind speeds and directions (5-15 mph, gusts to 20), overcast/cloudy.

Another good night of sleep -- you guys have got to try this! It is heavenly.  But I guess it is making some part of my brain nervous, because just before dawn I had a nightmare that I slept all day and missed my long run entirely.  

It is always a pleasure to have a run in daylight, and I enjoyed the scenery, though I noticed people's gardens are looking bleak indeed.  Lots of evergreen broadleaf plants look burned (from frost I assume) and the pea patch down near Stellar Park looked desolate. 

The final four miles of this run were somewhat difficult and a bit painful.  Legs did not want to run 20 and put up a pretty good argument for capping the run at 16.  However, they were overrulled by the tyrannical Brain, who pretends to listen to what everyone wants, but really just does what she pleases in the end.

So, I hear there is some kind of sporting event going on today?  Oh yes! It's Super Bowl (of Steroids) Sunday!  To those of you who watch, enjoy the game, enjoy the commercials, and don't eat too much junk.  :)

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 20.21
Comments
From Marion on Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 16:11:27

Way to go with those 20 miles! Dang that is AWESOME! Way to tell those legs! My legs are such babies! ;) Have a fun Super Bowl Sunday. We don't watch here at all. We are SO boring!!! :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 19:09:11

Way to knock out 20 when your legs didn't want to.

You've got 20 miles on me so far this month.

I don't care about the Super Bowl, but one 12-year-old I know does.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 22:29:23

Seeing as how I'm not good for much after a 20 miler, a friend and I spent the afternoon knitting, snacking, and watching... Pirates of the Caribbean.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 09:57:49

Great Run!!! way to push yourself through.

Should have read your entry yeasterday... I eat to much junk... I also like the way you relax, but I don't know how to knit. :)

From JD on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:25:08

It's superbowl time already?

From jefferey on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:28:31

Were you wearing black yesterday? I thought I saw you as we went off to church. Way to stay in the zone! Winter still on vacation...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:53:25

All black except for a red vest. Always a braid. Hope to say hi sometime. :)

From jefferey on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 11:55:46

That was you that I saw. At least now I have a foggy vision of you.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 12:15:49

Well, then, you're going to have to tell me at least what kind of car you drive. Then next time you can honk and I can wave and neither will wonder if we're being an idiot. Like, for example, near the end of my run yesterday, when I thought I saw DD and DH riding bikes towards me and I started waving like an idiot -- it wasn't them.

From JD on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 19:37:13

So who won, Bronco's or Cowboy's?

From snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 23:53:41

Captain Jack Sparrow got the Black Pearl back and Elizabeth dumped the Commodore and went off with Will Turner. I don't remember any cowboys in this movie.

From jefferey on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 00:27:43

Nicely said Sno

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.040.000.000.006.04

Objective: easy / recovery

Conditions at 7:00 AM: ~40F, breeze, partly cloudy. Pretty morning. 

Another lovely daylight run, thanks to DH being off work to come on a fieldtrip with us to the Pacific Science Center.   On the down side,  I had to share my run with the morning commuters.  I like the quiet better.

While we're in Seattle today, I might get a chance to visit my favorite running store!   I can't believe both pairs of my shoes are in the retirement zone, though I intend to wear them for short runs a bit longer.  I am particularly interested in trying out a mid-foot strike shoe. Otherwise, I might just stick with these Triax 11's.  They have been pretty good for me.

Some people on the blog seem to have a lot of shoes.  Do you rotate through them? Use different pairs for different workouts?  I'm very interested to hear from you!

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 6.04
Comments
From JD on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 12:22:49

Nice run. You seem to recovery from those long runs really quick.

I like to rotate shoes for economic reasons. If I have a pair with 400 miles on them, I would rather use those for shorter runs and save the newer pair of shoes for long runs. I've also read other bloggers believe that it's better for the shoes if you give them a days rest in between runs, so alternate with another pair. Also it's like any enthusiast, you just like the gear. All those shoes, all those accumulated miles.

Two cents from a beginner.

From Dale on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 12:41:20

I like to have 3 pair in rotation at any one time. Having at least 1 day between runs is important to extending the shoe lifespan so all the foam and whatnot that's been compressed can completely recover.

I also like having different types of shoes. I got a pair of lightweight trainers that I use to run my speedwork., based on the theory about the modern running shoe acting as a cast on your foot and preventing development of foot musculature, causing increased injury incidence.

Finally, different shoes definitely cause your feet to work differently. And some days I need the increased support, while some I like the lighter models where I feel the ground more. Almost like a Mounds/Almond Joy commercial...

From jefferey on Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 16:26:57

Darn! I would have been out there with you but our 4 yr. old was sick from about 2 a.m. on so no sleep. Shoes: I got a great deal at brooks annual sale so I picked up 3 pair and yes I use the lighter ones for speed workouts, most comfortable ones for long distance.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.280.000.003.008.28

Objective: VO2 intervals, 6 x (4 min @ VO2, 4 min jog)

Conditions at 5AM:  48F (!), wind 9-16 mph, mostly clear.  

15 min. strength work after run

I actually took off my windbreaker today.  It was nice at first, while warming up, since the wind chill was around 40F, but once I got going I had to tie it around my waist.  It's been a long time since that happened.  Winter is trying to lull me into a false sense of security, lower my defenses.  hmf

So let's get right to the good part of the story,  In Which She Gets New Shoes.  I spent good long time at the greatest running store on earth, and came home with 3 pairs of shoes!  Yesterday's discussion about shoe purpose and shoe rotation was very  helpful to me, and was reiterated by Chet James, the owner of said store, whom I was very lucky to have helping me. 

I tried on a ton of shoes.  My old Triax's still felt the best.  We talked a lot about mid-foot striking, and what that means for me. (EG, most of the fancy innovations of new shoe technology show up in a part of the shoe that, basically, I don't use.)  Shoe after shoe was, as usual, comfortable to stand/walk in, but "too much shoe" for the running: too stiff, to much bulk around my foot, too much under the heel. 

This store encourages runners to go outside and run up and down a hill - quite illuminating.   After running in many "too much" shoes, Chet brought out what looked like a neon green bowling shoe.  "I wouldn't even show you this if you were not a mid foot striker."  Hm. [Insert fleeting fantasy image of Chet showing it to me from inside a big overcoat, and hot Rolex's dangling around it.]   It was completely different from anything I've ever run in, but so fun! A men's Nike Lunar Racer. So, I impetuously bought a pair, along with a new pair of my standby Triax's, and for some variety in my shoe rotation, a similar shoe, the Air Span. 

My run this morning in the Lunars was fantastic. On my 3rd interval I dipped down to 7:49 pace, which is unheard of for me.   I do have a suspicion, however, that it is not really legal for a 50 year old woman who runs as slowly as I do to wear a man's racing shoe.  When spring comes and I wear them in daylight I will probably hear someone say, "Now hold it right there, ma'am." I'll get pulled over and receive a citation of some kind, and be forced to run in those black leather granny orthopedic shoes as punishment for my hubris and to serve as a warning to other presumptious, slow-moving females.   But until that day.... woohoo!

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 8.28
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 12:45:47

Sno, I love reading your blog... it makes me smile almost every day! And makes me wish I was as fast as you. Good to see that you got all sorts of new runners, new shoes rock!! And as far as getting in trouble for wearing the men's racers... they have to catch you first :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 12:54:35

Congratulations on the new shoes! And a great story this morning!

I'm kind of in a shoe rut. I just bought new shoes and they're just like my old shoes (almost) and the guy at the store said to stick with what works. I'd really like to try something different. I need to be adventurous like you.

From jefferey on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 15:10:50

Even though I was sick I had to take my daughter to early morning seminary at about 5:45. I looked for you but didn't see you. However, I was surprised at how light it was with all the street lights. Not bad at all. With those new shoes it's going to be a good race for the 5k? It's on!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 15:13:52

Hey Jefferey,

Is early morning seminary your only option or do you have release time for those who want it? We only have early morning and it starts at 6:00. I usually leave about 5:50 to take my son, and then run after I drop him off. If I've got a longer run, I make my husband drive to seminary so that I can get out earlier.

From jefferey on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 15:17:18

It's the only option here. Usually her friend takes her but she was sick this morning. I need to remember to get her friend a little something as it really saves me from having to drive, spend money on gas and get up way too early.

From snoqualmie on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 16:47:38

Jefferey,

Yes. The steet lights are one of the reasons we chose this neighborhood! lol But some areas don't have them, like Crestview, Palisades, and some dark spots here and there. The development was not allowed to erect any street lights that could be seen from the Sn.Falls public viewing areas, I'm told. Soon we'll have a dusky, half-lit predawn that I love.

I continue to be amazed at how early children have to be out and about these days. Mine gets up around 6:30 or 7, and *that* seems early to me for a kid. But it's her choice.

From haynes on Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 19:34:17

The nike lunar racers are darn good shoes. 5.5oz for the kind of cushioning they give is impressive. I have a pair and am amazed by how well they grip my feet. I know I am not losing any force due to my foot slipping inside the shoe. I reserve them for road races 5k to the half marathon because they dont have adequate cushioning but because they aren't comfortable enough on me for regular training or marathons. I do wear them occasionally for workouts too (mainly when I feel like my st3 racers aren't giving enough cushioning). If you like the lunar racers you should try out the brooks st3 racers - 7.8oz but oh so very comfortable with one of the best heel gripping of any shoe I've tried on.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:02:43

Thanks for the details, Haynes. I think what made the Lunar racers work for me the most is the minimalism and they're just so smooth. In a way, it annoys me that no sales person has ever "allowed" me to try racers before, bcuz I've picked up racers in stores and said, "what's this?" and they always say, "it's for racing; that's not what you want." This particular store seems to be the first to believe me when I describe what I want and that I have really not ever been injured, at 50-60 mpw. (And maybe the 1st to believe me that I really run that much, because I don't think I "look like a runner.") I guess they believe that every slow female needs giant pillows of EVA underfoot or she'll sprout running injuries within 3 blocks. Ah, I'm ranting.... Thanks again for the info.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.600.000.000.006.60

Objective: easy/recovery

Conditions at 5:10 AM:  Low 40s F, breezy (5-10 mph) Mostly clear.

20 min strength work after run

I'm quite sore and stiff this morning, especially in the calves and hamstrings. DH says, "Congratulations! That's wonderful!" 

This shoe (the Air Span) may have to go back.  I'd like to wear them one more time when my legs feel better, but they were not as comfortable as I remember from the store.  In fact, my left forefoot still feels kind of stressed out, as if I had been sitting on it or something.  tsk tsk

And there goes my shoe-type rotation plan. :(  I would really like a third type of shoe, especially since I'll be using the Lunars somewhat sparingly. But perhaps the Triax is really the only all purpose shoe I can wear right now.  I'll try the Spans again in a few days and see. 

Nike Span 5 Miles: 6.60
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 11:03:06

Good luck with the shoe rotation thing. My brief experience has been that finding and choosing the right shoes is a tricky and stressful thing.

I hope your soreness and stiffness goes away soon.

From JD on Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 23:33:03

I've always been happy with Asics shoes. But looking forward to trying some different makes/models in the near future.

You're lucky to have 40 degrees at 5:00 AM. We're around 25 degrees in the early AM this week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.270.000.000.009.27

Objective: general aerobic, 3 mi easy + 6 mi moderate

Conditions at [groan] 4:50: Low 40's, clear, light breeze.  

20 min. strength work after run

This is probably my favorite kind of run, though I'd have liked to go up to 11 or 12 miles:  a lengthy warmup for my old body, followed by a strong but not exhausting effort.  I'm still a bit sore from Tuesday. I used the Stick before going out, which helped.

One of my Ravelry buddies was telling me about a drill where you do butt kicks with only one leg for about 100 meters, then do the other leg.  I started to give it a try this morning, but I'm still too sore and so abandoned the trial for another day.  She was also taught to do this drill at the beginning of a run  (though I waited until after my warm up to even try it).

New Shoes Update:  Back in the Triax shoes today. Ah.  These are the new 12 models, which feel exactly like the 11's.   I couldn't tell any difference.  I'll give the Air Spans one more chance, maybe tomorrow, but if they still make my feet grumpy they're going back. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 9.27
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:07:57

I like the progression runs with the long warmup and then moderate effort. You really feel like you're doing something, but it doesn't kill you. I'm really liking the Hudson workouts so far, but it's not like I have anything to compare it to.

You're much better about doing drills than I am. I tend to just run - sometimes faster, sometimes slower. But I do think about arm swing and candence from time to time thanks to you.

Good luck with the shoes.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:35:35

I think about doing drills when I read your posts... then I get running and it's all I can do to just put one foot in front of the other... all other efforts go out of my head LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.100.000.000.006.10

Objective: general aerobic/moderate

Conditions at 5:20 AM: 40F, light rain and patchy fog

20 minutes strength work after run

I think I ate something bad yesterday.  I missed nearly a half hour of run time this morning getting out of the house late, since I had to wait for my insides to settle down and stop auditioning for the ballet.  Once running, I felt mostly ok - except for 1 bathroom stop - and enjoyed the fog and the light rain falling. My legs are still a bit sore from Tuesday.  Guess I'm not recovering very fast.

The verdict is in: these Air Spans will have to be returned.  I've given them 2 runs now, and I think I know what's wrong.  They are great on the downhills, which is probably the only time I'm really using that heel crash pad. The rest of the run they feel clunky, like they just have too much cushion or bulk underfoot.  Or maybe it's just too much in the heel.  Anyway, the feet are not happy, so I'll have to make another trek into Seattle soon and see if Chet can come up with a better shoe for me.  I do think having a different model (ie not always running in the Triax shoes) would be beneficial.

Nike Span 5 Miles: 6.10
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:04:11

Yuck. I hope your insides are done with the ballet audition.

Too bad about the shoes. So do you think it's smart to route around different kinds of shoes, not just different pairs of more or less the same shoe?

From Bonnie on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:11:29

Sorry to hear about the stomach problems. Dean was up all night with something too. I hope you feel better today.

I always rotate through at least 3 types of shoes. I like to keep my ankles,feet and legs guessing ;-).

From snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:28:24

That's what I'm hearing more and more. Each shoe gives your foot a slightly different set of challenges, so switching might strengthen parts of your foot that would not otherwise be challenged. A foot that is stronger in more of its 33 muscles will perform better with less risk of injury. That's the theory.

From snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:28:56

Then again, I'm sort of a gear addict anyway. ;)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:32:47

Hmmm. Maybe I should by those Brooks Infinities that I tried on a couple of weeks ago.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:32:10

Intesting ideas, I have never rotated shoes let alone different styles. I guess I never had the money to buy that many shoes at one time. But as of last Week I do :) the owner of Peak Performance here in Ogden, let me try some new shoes to see if it will help with my shin splits. Maybe I will alternate to see if that helps also.

From JD on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 13:53:57

I don't buy three pairs at once. I wait till a shoe has a couple of hundred miles on them, then get a new pair. Currently I have one pair that's closing in on 500 miles which I plan on just using for short trail runs this spring. Another pair with 450 which will become strictly short run, or treadmill shoes. Another with over two hundred so it's time to get a new pair for runs of 12 miles or more. After a pair is done, they become dog toys...my yard is littered with old chewed up running shoes.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 14:05:10

JD, that's just sort of thing I was doing, except every pair was a Triax, or - before I found those - a Saucony Trigrid. (Why do all my favorite shoes start with "tri-" ??) The shoe store guy, who might just be a wee bit biased, says that I am not getting a full 500 miles of *good* performance from my shoes because I'm only using the front half. Sure enough, the heels look pretty good. I am just lucky I'm not injury prone, because I have stayed in shoes far longer than 500 in the past couple of years.

Love the dog toy image! hahahaha

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.103.000.000.0018.10

Objective: endurance + progression (6 mi easy, 6 mi moderately hard, 3 mi very hard, 3 mi easy) 

Conditions at 7:30 AM:  40F, windy (6-9 mph w/ gusts 28 mph - increased through run), sunshine with increasing clouds

I changed into the new shoes at 11.7 mi (went past my house) and I just love them!  Smooth and flexible, they feel like they're not even there.  These might be my favorites. The Air Spans went back to the store.  I seem to be having some trouble "deleting a shoe." In shoe manager, I clicked "delete shoe" but they are still on the list.  Any suggestions?

I had a pleasant run for the most part, though the wind was brutal at times.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 11.70Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.40
Comments
From kelsey on Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:01:36

AWESOME workout for those conditions! I may have to steal that type of workout once I get into slightly higher mileage. Although I could do without the 30 mph gusts!

From JD on Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:30:14

You really know how to knock out those long runs week after week. Nice run!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 19:31:06

That's quite the progression workout, and in the wind too. Great job!

From snoqualmie on Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 22:28:24

You'll notice I didn't list any actual paces. Hahahaha Honestly though, it is futile to even look at one's Garmin when running (so called) up a hill into 20 mph winds. It was all by perceived effort. And if you're chugging along and realize you are not actually moving forward due to wind, well, that's just like the treadmill, right? Except you get to enjoy outdoors and the tailwind dividends. That's my outlook anyway.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.220.000.000.004.22

Objective: easy/recovery

Conditions at 5:30 AM:  32F, snowing lightly for first 2 miles, about an inch of snow on ground (very pretty), full moon peeking through clouds. A Yaktrax day.

10 min. abs & pushups

I guess Winter isn't done with me after all.  But really, the poor dear doesn't stand a chance at this point.

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 4.22
Comments
From rinny on Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:19:14

we had six inches this morning, it is so pretty out, great run.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:12:47

Yes, I think that winter is try to have another go at it. We don't have any snow yet, but we do have cold coming again, apparently. But I think you've got winter whipped. Enjoy your recovery day.

From JD on Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 13:01:21

When the moon is full, the extra gravity pull makes us lighter, so it's easier to run...right?

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 15:15:35

Winter has set us another blow this week, it's still snowing... :(

Nice recovery run.

From Marion on Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 15:40:01

What a beautiful run! It is magical when the moon is out in the morning :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I dwell in the land of tissues and aspirin...

This hit me so fast yesterday afternoon I scarcely had time to begin my immune defense routine. (At 10:00 AM I felt a little weird in the back of the roof of my mouth; by 4:00 PM I was horizontal.) Today I will put it into action in hopes of a quick recovery. 

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:57:27

Drat. Double drat. That is no fun. I hope your immune defense routine can boot this thing away. Get lots of rest.

From JD on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 13:15:20

Get better soon Snoqualmie...rest now, run later.

From jefferey on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 15:58:57

Winter is up to his dirty tricks again. It's the only way he can stop you. You are down but not out...hang in there!!

From Dale on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 16:08:02

Hope it leaves as quickly as it arrived!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:59:59

CRAP!!! I hope you are feeling better soon. For now get lots of rest and fluids. You are so strong, I"m sure you will be better in no time :)

From JD on Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 15:55:09

Hey Sno- I got outside and ran in a snowstorm today just for you...hope you're feeling better.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 18:54:51

The fog is clearing a little. Now I learn that half the people I know got this. So nice to come here and read all my "get well" notes!

JD- I'm very touched. And I still say running in a snow storm is better than being sick.

From jefferey on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 00:35:27

I don't like the looks of this. It's a standing 8 count. Okay, it's time to get up of the mat and go to your corner. Let's get you ready to go at Winter one more time.

From snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:40:06

It's foul play if you ask me. Below the belt, illegal.

I miss running. Might try a few miles tomorrow. As of last night, even doing the dishes left me a little wiped out. This bug is a bad one.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:34:18

I agree this is below the belt :( I sure hope you get feeling better soon.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 16:26:37

I'm missing your daily runs. I hope you get better and get back at it soon.

From Bonnie on Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:41:31

I am sorry to hear about this Sno .... I hope a little bedrest is helping? I think you still are beating old man winter, you just let him get one minor point that's all.

From jefferey on Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 18:21:36

I was hoping to see you out there this morning as my run was here at the ridge. Hope you are doing OK.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 20:37:01

I wanted to run this morning, but I still have a place in my throat that hurts when I swallow, and I'm still feeling super weak. I asked DH (w/ my croaky voice) if he thought it would be foolish to run today and he said, "Um. Yes." Naturally, when we were out in the car, the world seemed full of runners. I hate this. If I don't get to run soon I'm going to go crazy.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.521.000.000.007.52

Objective: easy, hard, easy hard, easy... etc. : form drills, cadence drills, butt kick drills, easy jogs between.

Conditions at 5:15 AM: 36F, partly cloudy, breeze, pretty crescent moon

15 min strength work after run

In about the same amount of time as yesterday's run, I covered a full mile more! (Hence the estimated MP mile.)  Other than my warm up and cool down, which probably amounted to a total of 3 miles, I just kept  rotating through various form drills as I ran.  They sure do put pressure on the gas pedal. When I felt tired, I would just jog easily for a while until I got restless again.  It was a fun workout.  I think my personality is well suited for this kind of free form workout. I hope that doesn't doom me in terms of my marathon goal.  My shiny key to the track is still sitting there untouched...

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.52
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.890.000.000.006.89

More snot than sweat, but I'm back in business!  My first 2 miles were full of walking and worrying ("am I being an idiot?"), but after the warm up I was able to maintain a respectable jog, walking occasionally only to use the tissues.   The weather website said it was in the high 30's, but I saw plenty of icy patches in the shade.  Wind was up around 15 mph w/ hold-on-to-your-hat gusts of about 30.  Throat feels ok, legs feel ok. I just hope I haven't lost a lot of fitness this week. 

 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.89
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 16:52:39

I'm glad you're back! I've been thinking about you and what it will be like for you after taking that time off and being sick. I don't really know, but I'm figuring you won't feel 100% just because of lingering snot or whatever, but that your fitness is still there. It just may be hard to realize it right away.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 19:37:34

I hope you're right. I felt like I was doing so well before it hit me. Thanks.

From JD on Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 21:14:42

I'm glad you were able to get out and run today. Have a great week!

From jefferey on Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 22:22:04

Winter can't keep you down! Great job!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.460.000.000.004.46

Objective: easy

Conditions at 5:30 AM: 32F, occasionally breezy, fog, very icy on roads, less on sidewalks.

15 min. strength work

I felt stronger today.  :D  I was surprised to see how much lighter it was during the last 10-15 minutes of my run, since I haven't been out in the early morning for a week.   The equinox is like a slowly approaching car on a highway: it seems like it will never get here, and then whooosh! --it passes by at top speed. Spring will be here before we know it.  There is a variety of ornamental cherry that blooms around here in February and I saw one this morning. Makes a person want to go out and buy primroses!

I think Winter was not pleased to see me out there this morning, and coated the road with ice in his rage.  It seemed to get even icier during the run.  But not being able to run for nearly a week made me twice as eager to be out there, so any little victory for Winter has backfired on him.  bwahahaha

Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 4.46
Comments
From jefferey on Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:37:12

Another nice morning. I saw the sun come up but then it fogged up where my run was. Glad you are feeling better. I can feel a pizza party coming soon.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 13:05:43

Good to see you out and running again! I sure hope you are right, I can't wait for spring to get here :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 15:37:21

I'm so glad you're feeling better! Winter may have won a battle, but you're winning the war.

I remember not long ago when we were celebrating the end of January. Now we're halfway through February. February will be over before we know it and spring will come. I'm so used to running in the cold, I'm a little worried about having to run in warmer weather.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 18:19:11

But just think, Carolyn... we've been running with the extra weight of winter clothes and when we shed them we'll feel so light!

I ordered seeds today. :D

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.860.000.000.006.86

Objective: moderate effort

Conditions at 5:15 AM: 38F, dry, calm, cloudy

Every day I feel a bit stronger, but my pace -- oh! Pathetic. Horrible. Dismal.  I'm not even going to tell you the number.  I was pushing my cadence and trying to run in that notch just above "easy" but the Garmin still mocked me.  Sigh.

I'll share something that is still just cracking me up.  I was already a bit late this morning because I decided to take a couple of minutes to relace my new shoes. When I finally did get out the door I encountered another delay.  About a half block from home I heard a familiar "meow?" coming from the bushes. One of my cats, the only one who goes outside, was in there "checking his p-mail" as we say.  Knowing he would follow me just long enough to be lost, I had to take him home and put him inside.  "Come on, honey! Come on!" And there he was, trotting by my side as we ran back home. (He is very dog like in this way.)  I was just thinking how funny it would look if anyone saw us: A Lady And Her Cat Go Jogging.  Right on cue, a car came up the street slowing down to watch the spectacle. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.86
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:02:08

Very interesting about the shoe lacing. You always have interesting tips.

And I'm smiling at the mental image of the lady and her cat out jogging.

I'm glad you're feeling better.

From Bonnie on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:39:11

I had a cat like that too -- I used to run him home, put him in the house, and then have to sprint away (even when I wasn't running) because he would run back out through his cat door and follow me! He used to walk to the store with me. I use the lacing technique that they show as being for the "top of the foot pain" for my PF, it helps a lot.

by the way - I never answered your question about my second run - they are always really easy. Most of my friends do their hard workout in the afternoon -- so they do they easy jog in the morning. I think it is because they got used to having track practice in the afternoons in high school and college.

From Marion on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:41:05

That is awesome! I bet that was the cutest thing ever!

Hey I was noticing that you shoot for a "feeling," not a pace. I like that. I get into the mindset that "easy" is a specific number, so is moderate effort or hard. Humm.. this gives me something to ponder!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 15:53:22

Bonnie -thanks for the info about doubles.

Marion - Believe me, if I could hit paces like ordering a burger, I'd do it that way every time. (Mmm, burgers. I need to make my lunch!) I do 2 kinds of pacing: 1) easy/moderate/hard, which is totally by effort level, and 2) real time pace (marathon, tempo, VO2, etc.). Since I'm coming off a week of illness, I had to go with plan A. :) It's a great way to feel good about a slow workout when you "did your best!"

I use a combo lacing of "high arch" and "heel slip."

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 15:57:18

My oldest daughters cat has very dog like... she can get her to "sit". LOL I have laced my daughters converse shoes like some of those technics just because they looked cooler LOL, But I think I will try to get my husband to do the one for pain on top of foot. Thanks for the info :)

From azdesertmonsoon on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:15:16

I'm not very good at determining whether it is a hard run because it is a hard run or if my mind is playing games with me, so I wear a heart rate monitor for some objective information about how hard I am running.

From Deborah on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:21:27

I'm really glad to read you are feeling stronger. Thank you for the laugh today. My Garmin often mocks me as well. Sigh.

From marion on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:26:17

Maybe they should program the garmins to laugh at us when our pace drops too low. ;)

From JD on Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 22:13:24

I can set my Garmin to mock me loudly when I drop below a certain pace...it's very effective!

A while back a friend and I took her cat "hiking". We put the cat on a leash and had several passing hikers just lose it when they realized what they were seeing. It was pretty funny. Though I think the cat was miserable.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.521.000.000.007.52

2nd time writing this entry - the first disappeared!  Gr! Why does that happen???

Objective: easy, hard, easy, hard, etc. : form drills, cadence drills,  butt kick drills

Conditions: 36F, partly cloudy, crescent moon

15 min. strength work after run.

In almost exactly the same amount of time as yesterday's run, I covered a full  mile more today!  (Hence the estimated 1 mile MP.)  Those drills really turn up the gas.  I go for a block or two concentrating on one or two aspects of form, such as arm swing, hip pivot, cadence, heel lift, etc.  Then I switch to another aspect for the next block or two.

It was a fun workout, with all the freedom to push as long as I wanted to, rotating through the drills, and then go easy for a while until I felt restless again.  My personality is well suited to that kind of freedom.  I hope it doesn't doom me, in terms of my marathon goals. That shiny key to the track is still sitting unused...

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.52
Comments
From leslie on Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:44:41

oh, I just hate that when it disapears!! Great miles this week! Your blog entries make me want to lace up my shoes and go back out for another run!! Nice work!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:29:24

Great workout! And congratulations on going a mile farther in the same time on the yesterday. I, on the other hand, went almost a mile and a half shorter today in the same time that I ran yesterday.

You are much better about working on form than I am. Every once and a while I think about relaxing my shoulders and about my cadence, but that's about it.

From jefferey on Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:35:24

I missed you at the track this morning. You didn't miss much though as there was a cloud of smoke from wood burning stoves nearby and no wind to knock it out. Good job!

From Dale on Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 14:00:16

No doom is at hand....you're just in the Fartlek running camp instead of the Track Intervals running camp. I don't blame you and both camps are equally viable if not equivalent. Good job.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 20:30:47

Looks like you are feeling better already :) that is a great run!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.030.000.000.008.03

Objective: slow & easy

Conditions at 4:50 AM: 36F, light wind (10 mph), starry skies w/ rising crescent moon

15 min strength work

I am pleasantly sore this morning, and unpleasantly sluggish -- but that's to be expected.  I finished knitting these mittens I've worked on for so long. I kept setting them aside to work on other projects, so although they weren't very hard they took over a year to make.  They were nice and cozy on my run, and especially since I always get a little cold when I run slowly.   Ta-da!

CIMG0549

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.03
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:16:22

Those mittens are gorgeous! You are an amazing knitter. Old man winter doesn't stand a chance against those incredible mittens.

I don't know that I'll ever take up knitting, but I really should try to find some time to quilt. My friend's son is going to be in college before I finish his baby quilt at the rate I'm going. The problem is that I'm machine quilting it, and I'm not very good at machine quilting. I'm a much better hand quilter.

From JD on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:27:15

You do beautiful work with the knitting. I glove the colors on these mittens. (I wrote "glove" on purpose, kind of my only joke). I've checked out your knitting page and am impressed with the cool things you create. Waiting for the "Snoqualmie Knitwear" catalog. :-)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:35:20

Carolyn- that's why I love knitting: totally portable. I spend a lot of time taking DD to her activities and the knitting comes along. Thanks for the compliment!

JD - Given the choice b/t a joke or a typo, I will always assume it's a joke if it's you. ;) I cannot take credit for all that stuff on Flickr, since I share the account with my DD who knits a lot. Almost all the hats are hers. Thanks again!

From Bonnie on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:49:37

Oh my goodness -- those are so beautiful. I am so coveting your mittens Sno!!! Nice job. I wish I had the talent and patience to do that.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 13:26:26

Thanks, Bonnie. But I doubt you'd have an opportunity to wear anything like this down there, right?

From Bonnie on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 13:31:10

Actually we are at the base (~40 min drive to the top from my house) of a 9000 ft mountain that has skiing right now! It gets pretty chilly at night here. But, alas, not as much as I would have last year and in the previous years ... sigh ... I love winter clothes!

From jefferey on Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 13:47:53

I may have to commission a pair. Sweet! Way to pop Winter with 8 more. He's retreating fast!! Maybe we can trade some homemade pizza for some homemade gloves/hat/muffler.

From luzylew on Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 19:49:36

I can not believe you knitted those. They are incredible--so intricate. You run, and you knit. It's just not fair-two obsessive compulsive traits put to such excellent use. I usually just end up organizing the spice rack (boring!).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.700.002.000.006.70

Objective: Tempo run.  3 mi easy & slow, 2 mi LT pace, remaining slow.   Splits: 12:02 - 11:19 - 14:00 (trouble w/ watch, walked for a couple of minutes while trying to fix)- 8:54 - 8:30 - 11:07 - 11:24  Tempo miles were mostly flat but some hills.

Conditions at 5:15 AM:  30F w/ pockets of warmer and cooler air about, clear & starry

My Garmin has filed for divorce.  The metal (or is it?) buckle broke this morning and I had to carry the little traitor in my hand.  Not fun.  Then towards the end of mile 3, it suddenly went berserk (beeping, switching screens, light not working) and stole a couple of minutes of my running time while I walked along trying to get it back on track.  I would have just ignored it but I had to do my tempo run.  It settled down, but the buckle is irreparable, snapped right off.  I don't know if I need to send it back to Garmin for replacement, or if I can just go into REI and get it over with.  Fortunately I know exactly where the receipt is.

Well, about the workout: I am quite pleased. The tempo section was not completely flat, so those are really good splits for me.  I didn't think I could do it.  Last night I felt even more sore than I did yesterday morning (DOMS), and so very tired. I couldn't imagine doing a tempo run this morning, and I was beating myself up a bit for being so foolish to think I could follow a training plan that included two quality workouts during the weekdays "at my age."  But I took some Ibuprofen and got to bed early, and despite my Garmin's betrayal I did ok today.  I will still be rethinking my training plan. But maybe I always do; I'm a little restless that way. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 6.70
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:39:56

Excellent pace on the tempo section. You were ssssssmokin'!

I'm sorry to hear that your Garmin is misbehaving. How long have you had it? What model is it? Mine's behaving so far, but now you've got me worried.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:46:42

It's a 405, and I just got it last summer. The part that broke is the squared U shape buckle piece. :(

From jefferey on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:54:33

Looks like "old school" 305 is the way to go. Plus you get a bicep workout with it because of it's size. Mine has been great!

From JD on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:18:09

Aha! I knew you had more speed than you were letting on! Nice tempo splits.

My Garmin 205 hasn't given me any trouble so far. I've had the watch for six months. I've read of other bloggers who've had their straps break, it seems they were able to get a replacement for free maybe? I read about a guy, on another blog, who loved his watch so much that when the strap broke he just carried the watch in the palm of his hand during runs and even races...now that's true love.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:26:20

I had the same thought as JD. Maybe you can get a replacement band.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 15:26:10

I just got mine for Christmas, and I think it had a replacement band in the box. I will have to go check, I could send it to you if you need it.

I must love my ipod... I hold it in my hand when I run LOL

Nice run today!!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:46:56

As it turned out, I was in Seattle today anyway (Northwest Flower & Garden Show), so I just took it over to REI. Easy swap, and the new baby is charging right now. Interesting timing, actually. Garmin 405's finally became compatible with Macs a couple of days ago, and I've been having a hard time transferring all my data. Over 7 months of running is a big upload, and the process had failed twice before I decided to shelve it until I had more time. So now I get to start fresh with that too. REI flagship store, always a pleasure.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.550.000.000.0018.55

Objectives: endurance, dealing w/ elements, practice taking gels on the run, winning mind games...

Conditions at 7:15 AM:  50F, very windy (15-20 w/ gusts 40), light rain.  Later, during run, variable...  Wind lessening at times.  Rain heavy at mile 7,  gone by mile 10.  Some sun breaks, one rainbow. 

I'll try to keep the whining to a minimum.  I really don't feel well today.  It's like the cold was almost gone and then yesterday I started feeling cruddy again.  So today's 20+ planned miles turned into 18+, and I was very happy to get that much, since I thought of going home a lot sooner.  I know better days are ahead, so I'm not going to worry about this.  What was really a treat was being able to face the elements and actually enjoy the morning.  There were  a lot of robins out today, and I saw a rainbow.  :)  Now I get to spend the rest of the day sitting, knitting, eating, and (later) watching the Oscars.  

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 18.55
Comments
From JD on Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 18:10:19

I love your objectives, you're getting creative with them, "winning mind games"? That's a good one. I don't know how you do these long runs week after week, you're very strong!

Enjoy the Oscars!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:18:04

I agree with JD. You are very strong to do 18 and a half miles in rain and wind, especially when you're not feeling well. You are a trooper, as my mom would say.

I hope you're enjoying the rest of your day.

From Brian on Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 19:44:50

You are a real inspiration to me....it motivates me to read your blogs. I will try a 25 miler tomorrow and that will be the third week in a row with 20 plus long runs. When is your next planned marathon?

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 20:00:59

I concur with all of the above statements. You are my inspiration!! And when you figure our how to win the mind games let me know. :)

From snoqualmie on Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 23:45:24

Thanks, everyone, for your encouraging words. (And BTW, I do long runs almost every weekend because I NEVER again want to go through the pain of building mileage. Maintaining is easier.)

Brian good luck with your 25 miler! I'm running Eugene Marathon next.

From rinny on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 21:36:33 from 206.251.46.150

wow i am impressed, i don't know if i could do a mile in the rain.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.490.000.000.006.49

Objective:  easy/recovery

Conditions: 45F, wind ~10 mph, cloudy, a few spinkles

20 min. strength work

I'm pretty stiff and tired this morning, but as the run progressed I felt my muscles loosening up. It was light enough towards the end of the run that I could run up around the duck pond.  (I tend to avoid dark trails, even w/ my headlamp, for safety reasons.)  It was just gorgeous. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.49
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:26:05

Nice run... sounds like spring is on it's way!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:31:28

That sounds like a very successful recovery run - loosened you up after yesterday's long run. Great job!

I avoid trails when it's dark too.

From Marion on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 15:20:24

I am with you! If I see some non runner out on MY path in the wee hours- I tuck my tail and run the other direction! Us hotties gotta protect our gorgeousness! ;)

From jefferey on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 16:18:14

I'm going to start calling you "The Machine". You can't be stopped!

From snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 16:59:27

Jeff - that's cracking me up, because I was using mantras to finish my run yesterday (when I didn't want to), and one of them was "Unstoppable!" Now if I could just figure out how to be a *faster* machine. I'm a handcar who wants to be a locomotive.

From jefferey on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 17:08:56

Go to the library. You know where it is. Look up the book "The little train that could". Read it and memorize the following. I think I can, I think I can........ and you will. I was talking to Sean last night and we talked about Speed training. He does 2 speed workouts a week. One on Tuesday and one with his Sat. long run. Since I only run 4 days a week he said to only do speed work once a week but to do strides on 1-2 other days.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 18:49:31

Sean is amazing. When it snowed I could always tell when Sean was out running because the tracks were impossibly far apart (from one foot to the other). I'm trying to do at least 2 speed work days per week, but I don't recover as quickly from them as I would like to. My age I guess. The way I look at it, I will someday achieve my goal by longevity if nothing else... it doesn't take a lot of speed to be the fastest 80 year old at a marathon. ;)

From Bonnie on Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 18:50:31

Are you feeling better today? I hope so. Sometimes it takes longer than we suspect to actually get better after a cold (especially at our youthful age). You rock, as usual!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.470.000.000.008.47

Objective: general aerobic. 4 mi easy, 4 mi moderate, fast finish (I was late .)

45F, windy (5-15 w/ occasional harder gusts), rain showers turning to steady rain

Pleasant run. I can't really complain about the rain, since we've been in somewhat of a drought the past month.  I've had it coming to me. 

Is it just my computer, or did all our comments disappear last night?

ETA: Ok, this is just really weird.  I can't see any comments on my own blog, nor the comments that I make on others' blogs.  But my comments are listed in the "recent comments" box.  For example, on Deborah's blog, Carolyn had already commented and I saw her comment; but when I added mine, they both disappeared but mine was listed in "recent comments."  What can the matter be?

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.47
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:27:17 from 67.177.240.240

I am really impressed with the way you run in the rain. I've never really done that. We don't get much rain here.

The thing I've noticed about the comments since yesterday is that the total number of comments is not showing like it usually does. Instead, it will just say "Add Comments" at the bottom of an entry even if there are comments associated with the entry. If you click the Add Comments, you can see the comments, you just don't know whether they're there until you click it. So I don't think it's just your computer. I think that something funky is going on with the comments display.

From lesllie on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:23:18 from 76.23.61.78

I haven't been blogging much these last few days, so I haven't noticed anything strange.

Nice run in the rain!!!

From Marion on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:25:50 from 71.219.54.89

I saw Sasha was running tests last night. Who knows :)

ISn't is great that winter is losing the battle and spring will be emerging the winner soon??? Nice miles today :)

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:47:06 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today! I'm always impressed with you ability to run in adverse conditions, I need to get tougher.

Looks like it's not your computer... it's the blog.

From Bonnie on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:15:14 from 71.210.114.175

I love running in the rain -- as long as the temps are above 35F that is ;-).

Fast finish because you have to - that is the way to do them!

From azdesertmonsoon on Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:30:38 from 204.17.31.126

I got on my blog this morning and I didn't have any comments where I knew you had commented, I clicked on the add comment box and your comment showed up, weird.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.550.000.000.003.55

Objective: easy / one notch above "rest day"

40F, gusting breezes, showers

4:15 AM is a bad time to revise running plans, but that is when The Cat Who Must Be Obeyed woke me up to let him go out.  (The litter box is beneath his dignity, but the bedroom carpet is not.)  Being awakened just 30 minutes before the alarm is so frustrating. 

Although my running has been fairly good quality this week, I've been feeling more and more "run down" later in the day.  Last night I could barely function after dinner. The residual congestion from my cold is still hanging on too; I don't think I ever recovered enough.  Enough for...?   Well, maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but I think I have been well enough to run, but not well enough to get by on less than 8 hours night after night. 

Anyway, I opted to sleep a bit more, and skip my speed workout.  I just hated to do that, but I think it's the right way to avoid Doing Something Stupid.  It's hard to make these choices about when to push and when to pull back.

A word about running in the rain.  I love getting the kudos in my comments, but it's not really that big of a deal with the right gear.  If anyone is interested, there are 3 essential pieces to my rainy-run wardrobe:
1) Tights.  The legs can get wet without feeling heavy-laden or cold.
2) Cycling jacket.  Cycling jackets are heavier and more waterproof, they have vents, and they have super long sleeves that can be pulled over the hands.  People who get extremely hot while running will have a hard time with cycling jackets, but I can wear one in temps below 50F.
3) Baseball style cap to keep rain out of eyes.

As long as I'm feeling a little cranky anyway, I have soapbox moment to get off my chest. This has nothing to do with running, just a rant that's on my mind.  I heard last evening about an acquaintance with a young child who is getting a divorce.  This is the second one I've heard about this week, and the fourth one in the past three months!   I know people make mistakes, misjudge character, etc. and I will not sit in my glass house picking stones to throw.  But what is eating me is this: out of these 4 people, I know that 3 of them viewed "having a baby" as a kind of experience on a bucket list.  Go to college, get married, visit Paris, have a baby, get promoted at work... "Have a baby" is not something to put on a list -- it's one tiny component of something that none of these women ever seemed to even consider putting on their list: "Dedicate years of my time, energy and resources to raising a child." I knew them intimately enough to see how they viewed the choice, but not intimately enough to feel I could point out the mistake.  Now I have to watch the aftermath and see the children get hurt.  OK, end of rant.

Well, I'm just a ray of sunshine today, aren't I?   Thanks for listening, and have a good day.  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 3.55
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:47:56 from 71.229.164.25

I'm sorry the cat woke you up early. You definitely need to get some sleep and kick the last remnants of that cold. I'm glad you joined me in having an easy run this morning.

As for your rant, I guess I've never really analyzed why various people have children. For myself, I know that I really really wanted to have a baby. I don't think I thought of it as just a thing on a list, but I'm sure at the tender age of 21 (when I got pregnant with the first one), I didn't fully appreciate the life-long commitment that I was signing up for. To spin the subject in a slightly differnet direction, I have to wonder if the octomom appreciates the commitment of raising a child.

From Marion on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:59:44 from 71.219.54.89

Interesting point- I agree, having a child is not for the bucket list. Yes, I think that most everyone should aspire to find a spouse to build a family with. Hopefully they will be blessed with children to raise. But having a family is a lifelong commitment not a bullet point on a list of to do's. How sad for them.

From leslie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:21:27 from 76.23.61.78

Dang Cat!

Glad you took a rest day, I agree sometimes it is hard to decide if you are just giving in, or doing the smart thing. I think you did the smart thing.

I feel bad for the kids too.

Have a great day!

From JD on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23:44 from 64.65.159.206

Snoqualmie, you are a ray of sunshine indeed!

We have four cats, and a cat door. Unfortunately one of the cats is too fat to fit through the door, so almost every night she starts to howl and I have no choice but to get up and let her out. AND I have to wait till she's ready to come back in. AND, usually the dogs get excited and go out too, so I have to wait for them also. I feel a little like an on call doctor who never gets a break!

From Dale on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:32:31 from 69.10.215.11

Good choice on the rest. Erring on the side of caution is much better than getting injured and being forced to take a whole lot more downtime. Trust me!!!

From Bonnie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:36:26 from 71.210.108.146

Funny story about your cat Sno (easy for me to see the humor). I agree with your rant, I feel the same about kids and getting pets when you aren't ready for the responsibility. As a society we have gotten pretty selfish (one of the pitfalls stemming from the "me generation" that began in the 70's). Some people seek "happiness" at the expense of everyone else.

Regarding feeling run down ... two things come to mind. First, have you been watching your electrolytes? I have felt this way in the past when my salt/potassium was out of wack. I use an electrolyte powder that I mix with water (it is sugar-free), it helped immediately last year when I started using it. Lately I had been feeling like I was not adequately recovering between runs and I have been taking an amino acid supplement (a multi-one with free form amino acids + a L-glutamine) - I think it is helping, either that or I am just re-adapting to the training.

let me know if you want any more information about either of these "remedies".

Take care!!

JD - I am sorry, but the part about you having a cat that is too fat to fit through the cat door just threw me into a fit of giggles. We seem to schedule a lot of our lives around the comforts of our animals too (doggy daycare, potty breaks, finding a place that carries their very special food, etc).

From jun on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:57:43 from 66.239.250.209

As a divorced father one might think I would share a different opinion than you, but that isn't the case. My ex-wife and I had fully prepared and planned for our child and had him when we were ready. During that time we were very happily married. Unfortunately, people change and things went down hill. We still stuck it out for nearly 3 years before finally making it final (my wife moved out for a year before the divorce).

When we did get divorced the only commitment we made to each other was that we would do everything in our power to make sure our son wasn't too negatively impacted. We work hard every day and remain good friends even now solely to make sure our son feels the appropriate love and support he deserves. But even with all of that I am haunted every day by the sadness I know I have caused my son. Every single day.

I love my current wife. I love our two children. We work diligently to make sure that my oldest son knows he is a part of the family when he is with us. No matter what happens with my current wife, we will always do whatever we have to to make sure we stay together. I could never do that to my children again.

Phew! That was a lot off my chest. Way to commit to your run!!!!!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26:53 from 207.225.192.66

Sno, I think you made the right choice in taking it easy when you are not feeling 100%. But it seems to be a common theme with runners, always wondering if it's the right choice.

JD... I'm with Bonnie the picture of you waiting for your fat cat just makes me laugh :)

As for all the talk of Sno's rant. I happy to see so many people committed to happy children and families. When I got married and started having children I can't say I really thought through the big picture. I'm sure there were many things I should have done better, but we learned and we are always tring to improve and do better every day.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:38:50 from 67.171.56.164

Wow - wonderful comments, everyone! And I thought my over-long, self centered, ranting post would turn people off. Bonnie, thx for the recommendation. I will watch that, though I really think it is my cold right now. Jun- I'm very touched by your experience. I hope (and I think) you all know I wasn't generalizing about divorced families. These specific people were were just really selfish like Bonnie said, imo. But maybe I'm wrong about them. Armchair critic. I also know a woman whose 2 children were totally messed up: she has the first by artificial insem. and the 2nd adopted from a 3rd world country - no husband. All of us who knew her at the time could not figure out what the heck she was doing, because she was very dedicated to her consulting career. Those kids are a mess.

Must. Stop. Ranting.

Have a great day, everyone. I love you guys.

From Bonnie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 13:17:33 from 128.196.228.134

You know, I need to apologize, I did not mean for my post to sound quite as judgemental as it came out ... upon reflection it reminds me of a bumper sticker: "middle age is when your broad mind and narrow waist exchange places". It is easy for me to generalize from afar, even though I completely understand that every case is different and there is not always an easy solution. So, I am sorry. I do believe in responsibilty for ones actions, but this does not always equal staying in a marriage that is emotionally or physically bad or not working. There are plenty of people I know that have gotten divorced and their children are very well adjusted and loved.

Though I generally try not to get to "personal" on a running blog, I will say that my decision not to have children was entirely based on my own experience as a child from an extremely dysfunctional background (level of dysfunction was serious enough to require state intervention). This too (my not having children) could be viewed as selfish by some ... so I need to remember that we all come from different perspectives.

Happy running bloggers.

From Bonnie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 14:55:37 from 128.196.228.134

Sno ... the electrolyte imbalance thing happened to me in the winter last year. My NA and K levels where below normal (not below normal in the way that people who are super sick are, just under normal limits) - for athletes any deviation from what is optimal for us can affect how you feel on runs.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 15:30:25 from 198.241.217.15

Bonnie,

How did you go about getting your electrolyte levels tested?

From Bonnie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 15:45:50 from 128.196.228.134

Simple blood test. I noticed in the pharmacy yesterday that here in Tucson you can pay to have these done without your doctor -- last year I was so worried about how tired I was (and how bad my training was going) that I went to see a doctor -- he did an electrolyte panel as well as thyroid function and iron Ferratin. A little electrolyte mix, a couple weeks of very easy running and a trip to Spain cured me!

The downside about most physicians is they really don't understand that pretty much anything that is "different" in athletes can have a large effect on how our training/racing goes. Jack Daniel's has often talked about athletes need to track their own "optimal" levels of things like Ferritin levels, thyriod function, etc. Because 1) when you are running a lot you are different from the general population and 2) everyone is different. Diagnostic blood tests are used to find "sick" people, not to measure deviations in "active" people that might make differences in performance.

From leslie on Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 15:52:27 from 76.23.61.78

Wow, this is all very interesting, thanks!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:49:02 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, I don't think your post sounded judgmental. And I can completely understand your choice not to have kids. Of all my sisters, I'm the only one with a child -- we had a pretty dysfunctional upbringing as well. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.300.000.000.008.30

Objective: easy/moderate

29F,  light snow flurries turning into steady snowfall.  About 1cm of snow on everything except the pavement at first; snow sticking everywhere by end of run. Streets very icy, sidewalks tolerable.

20 min. strength work

A pretty good run. The snow is always nice from the viewpoint of aesthetics. That is, a run in the dark is no longer a run in the dark.  Being able to see more of my surroundings adds a lot of the quality of my running experience.  Slipped a little at times, but I did pretty well considering I had no Yaktrax on. 

I have some questions for my fellow fastrun bloggers.  The first is about naps.  I recorded yesterday afternoon's nap (yeah, I got a nap!) on today's post because it occurred to me that it only affects today's run. I used to add naps to the previous day's post, ie on the day of the nap.  But this way, the nap plus the night sleep will add up to a total number of hours that have their impact on the next run.  Does that make sense?  Which way do you all do it?  Never nap? Well, which way would you do it if you did?

My second question is about cadence. I may have mentioned this before, since I've been wondering about it for a while.  There is a school of thought that recommends a cadence of 170-180 (about 3 foot falls per second), no matter what your overall pace is.  So an "easy" pace would still clip along at that cadence, but the steps would be very small and not very powerful.  I have yet to be able to achieve this.  No matter how small I make my steps, moving my legs/feet that fast always gets my heart rate up. And in the first couple of miles of  run, when I'm warming up, it's just plain uncomfortable.  What are your thoughts about this philosphy and what is your cadence:pace relationship?

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.30
Comments
From Dale on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:15:51 from 69.10.215.11

Wish I got enough naps in to comment on where to record them :(.

Back when I first got semi-serious about running, I worked on getting my cadence up to 180 on every run. At first my HR was higher, but for me that didn't last too long once I adjusted. I think it helped running at that cadence in that once I got used to it, maintaining that turnover was never a problem.

But there was a downside....I believe it led me to understriding. I had to consciously work on that which in turn led me to ease off the strict 180 cadence diet on easier runs.

So, if I had to do it all over again, I would work on 180 cadence running a couple of times/week minimum, during the medium/hard efforts. It also helps if you think you might be an overstrider or a heavy heel-striker (you're forced to a more mid-foot strike). But I don't think letting your cadence dip down into the 170 or even the 165 range is necessarily bad during easy runs. Anything less than that is probably sometime to work on.

IMHO, of course!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:19:26 from 71.229.164.25

I find running on a thin layer of freshly fallen snow to be tolerable, and not too slippery. It's when you cross a side street where the cars have been driving that it gets slippery. Do you concur?

As for your nap question, a nap? What's that. I very rarely get a nap. The one or two times since I started blogging that I've had a nap, I've recorded it on the day that it happened, but I can see your reasoning in recording it on the next day.

On the cadence:pace relationship question, I haven't really tried to count footfalls since I did it once a while ago, but I am conscious of a need to keep up a decent cadence. I don't worry too much about cadence during the first couple of miles when I'm getting warmed up, but after that if I feel that I'm going to slow, I'll make a conscious effort to increase my cadence. But I don't know whether I'm hitting 170-180 when I do. Maybe I'll count cadence on my run tomorrow.

From JD on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:27:41 from 32.176.143.174

Napping isn't just a city in China. :-)

I know nothing of cadence, I just focus on relaxing and running with good form. However, when I find myself dragging on a run, I find that increasing my cadence just slightly makes a significant difference in my pace with little perceived effort.

From Bonnie on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:56:41 from 71.210.108.146

Hi Sno, the only days I can nap are Saturday and Sunday. I generally find that a 1/2 nap on Saturdays between my AM and PM runs makes me feel a lot better by the afternoon run. So, at least in my case, I think the nap helps me recover from the 'previous' workout ... but I could be making this up ;-).

I can't think about cadence when I run, it messes up my form (kind of like chewing gum and walking I guess) -- I just try to concentrate on my perceived exertion, breathing, and a little on my form (relaxing my shoulders and getting as much chest expansion as possible). I have tried counting when I do hill repeats - because I read that counting helps with pain and 60-90` up a hill hurts so much (it was an interesting article about surgical pain and counting) -- I don't know if this helped or not, it can speed you up or slow you down. I know one of my best friends started counting the last 3 miles of her marathon PR but it wasn't about cadence it was about keeping her mind off of how much she was hurting.

From jefferey on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 14:26:16 from 67.171.56.220

I have checked my stride rate and no matter how hard I try it seems to stay between 160 and 170. Weird!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 18:06:11 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today!

I can't remeber when the last time I took a nap. Oh wait I think it was last year when I did the Wasatch Back Relay, when I got home I took a nap.

I've never checked my strides, but I think I agree with Bonnie, it would mess me up trying to count and run LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.670.000.000.005.67

Objective: moderate / general aerobic

32F, mostly cloudy, wind 11mph, snow remained on plants but pavement dry & clear

My plans for a Friday-off, Saturday-long run fell apart yesterday when DH and I sat down to have one of our much needed Planner Pow-wows.  Very illuminating.  (Gr.) We don't keep a family calendar. I guess we need to have these little chats more often.  So I'm on mom duty Saturday morning and that means no run.  Ah well.  I wanted to sleep in Sunday after staying out late Saturday but I guess I'll manage.

Speaking of illuminating....  I feel both stupid and happy about the cadence question I posed yesterday.  Stupid, because I hadn't really counted steps with my watch for a while, just assuming that my intuitive "feel" for the cadence was still accurate -- it was not.  And therefore happy, because I am at 180 even on my easy pace.  I have been working on it for a while, and I don't know when I crossed over to success, but this morning's count -- this time using the watch instead of my faulty mental clock -- was right on the dot.  It was funny, really: "twenty seconds yielded 60 steps, times 3... oh no that can't be right. Try again...."  I finally did the waltz thing, watching the seconds and thinking 1-2-3, 1-2-3. Yep, 180.   I guess I can move on now and start focusing more on push-off and other speed enhancers.

So that's February, since I won't run again until Sunday.  I'm not as far along as I had hoped probably due to a week off from illness and this past week of still feeling kind of run down.  I hope you all had a good month.  Three weeks until the official beginning of spring!  I'm planning my victory party. :D

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.67
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:05:39 from 71.229.164.25

Congratulations on reaching 180 cadence. Don't feel stupid about posing the question. It gave me something to think about on my run this morning.

February was kind of rough and didn't turn out quite the way you wanted it to, but now it's over and you can leave it behind. Here's to March and the coming of Spring!

From JD on Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:39:28 from 64.65.159.206

Hey nice mileage this week Sno-

Thanks for bringing up the issue of cadence yesterday. I counted my steps per minute on the treadmill last night and discovered that I don't even reach 160! What do you think? Should I aim for more? and why?

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:01:33 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for the encouragement, Carolyn. And btw, to answer your question from yesterday -- yes, a thin layer of snow isn't bad traction. We had rain before the snow, so it was a bit icy underneath.

JD, I wouldn't mess with your cadence unless you are unhappy with your paces. I am so desperate to pursue that BQ that I go through advice like starving person. In more than one source I have read that the ideal cadence is 170-180, or that the average cadence of elite marathoners is one 180, or some other variation on that theme. So when I first counted my cadence, I was horrified to see how slow it was. (Somewhere in the range of 120-140.) That's why I've been working on it.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 13:28:18 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles this month even with all you have been going through. And Congratulations on achieving your goal!! One of these days I need to try to see what my cadence is.

From JD on Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 16:53:56 from 166.128.121.27

I forgot to mention that comment you left on my blog about the straight jacket had me rolling!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:43:23 from 67.171.56.164

There war a woman in a straight jacket in the opera last night (Ewartung), and I thought, "treadmill victim!" That garment will never mean the same thing again. lol

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.314.000.000.0017.31

Objective: endurance & progression.  7 mi easy, 6 moderate, 4 MP effort (pace off w/ hills,  & wind)

 48 to 52 F.  very windy (20mph w/ gusts to 40). Partly sunny, turning more cloudy.

Hello March!  (Yes, Mr. Winter. I did receive your memo about how just because it's March doesn't mean you're through with me. Very impressive wind today. But I'll have you know I saw A Bee today. So there.)

I decided to have a little adventure today. After spending several miles running my usual haunts I went down the Parkway to old Snoqualmie to see... the track!  Going down that hill (~2 miles and 5-12% grade) is always really hard on me because I'm not a natural heel striker but you really have to on a hill.  As the wind howled, I comforted myself with the happy thought that all that wind would be behind me on the way up. (Not entirely, but pretty much was.)  I remembered to bring my new key and successfully found and entered the beautiful high school track, ran a mile on it, and decided that was quite enough for today.   After all, the point was just to break the ice and actually use my little key before I forgot where I put it, or that I even have it.

My "marathon pace" miles are, once again, effort level.  I just cannot stick to a pace  when I'm running up a steep hill, or when the wind is pushing me all over the place.  Is this dishonest? 

My plans for this run went quite well except for one thing.  Being spoiled as I am by the abundant bathrooms and year round working drinking fountains up here on the Ridge, I totally forgot to plan for hydration.  No money, no Camelbak, and every drinking fountain in town is closed down for the winter.   At about 13 miles, I realized I was in trouble.  I ended up drinking awkwardly from a sink in the creepy bathroom at the Railroad Museum.  I just hope it was potable.  If I die of some kind of poisoning later today, it's been really, really great blogging with you guys.  

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 17.31
Comments
From jefferey on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:33:42 from 67.171.56.220

I have plotted out fountains in Snoqualmie. Riverview Park 39000 Park St. which is about .8 miles from the bottom of the parkway on the way to the high school. Then, you should know where Centennial park is but if you don't its only .5 miles or so past the high school. Centennial Fields

39903 SE Park St.

You just plain pound the miles in don't you!! Nice jog..er job!

From jefferey on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:38:10 from 67.171.56.220

Ooops I copied the address for Centennial park off the website but that's not right. Sorry. It is on Park street next to the elementary school.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 19:40:40 from 71.229.164.25

You're are absolutely amazing to run in wind like that. That's too bad about the water. I sincerely hope that it was potable and that you're around to blog for us for many years to come.

I don't think you're dishonest to claim marathon pace even when it's hampered by hills or wind. I don't know anyone who can maintain the same effort going uphill or into the wind without slowing.

I've got a middle school track and a high school track both a half mile or less from my house. The middle school track doesn't have a fence, but the track is smaller than a standard track. The high school track has a fence, but I don't know whether it's locked. Maybe I should try the track someday, but so far I've never had the desire to do track work.

From snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 21:07:44 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, are those fountains working in the winter? The janitor at the h.s. looked at me like I was insane..."Drinking fountains? They don't work in winter!" What was I thinking?

Carolyn, the track was really nice and springy, and having a flat surface is always a treat for me. But it was a bit like the TM. Not quite as boring, but I definitely prefer the open road.

From JD on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 21:10:36 from 166.128.212.181

Nice run in tough conditions..again! Marathon pace effort too. That's nice you have your own private track to access, with your own key and all. Glad you were able to get over there and try it out.

From jefferey on Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 21:46:25 from 67.171.56.220

The fountains at the parks have always worked for me. I had to map it out for long runs because I don't like to carry water with me.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.450.000.000.006.45

Objective: easy

50F, wind 10-15 mph w/ gusts 25-30, cloudy

15 min. strength wk

I still cannot believe my luck.  From about 3 AM until 4:30 AM, the wind and the rain were so strong that I could not sleep soundly, for all the racket it was making on the windows.  When the alarm finally went off,  the noise had diminished but I could still see the rain pouring down under the streetlamp.  "Don't think, just go.  Don't think, just go."  I step outside and -- no rain.   I don't think this is what Dr. Phil meant when he said, "Life rewards action," but I feel like I got the grand prize today.  And I was so close to blowing off the run. It's especially tempting the day after a long run, when "recovery" could easily mean more z's. 


Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.45
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:45:33 from 71.229.164.25

You deserved a little luck. I'm glad the weather behaved itself for you. Maybe winter is surrendering to you. Good job getting out despite that multitidue of excuses you had.

From JD on Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:57:18 from 64.65.159.206

It always pays to be an optimist.

From jefferey on Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:42:43 from 67.171.56.220

How did you get so lucky! I had a heck of a time sleeping too. In fact about 4:15 when my daughter got up I thought about you and Sean and figured you'd be out there like a sponge soaking up the water. Glad to hear you didn't have to.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 12:41:49 from 207.225.192.66

WHOhooo that is great! Sometimes you are truely blessed. I like the mantra "dont' think just go" I'll have to try that one more often.

From april27 on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:42:08 from 99.188.251.180

yeah I found you! I love how you set up yours...bravo on that windy/rainy run! The weather is looking up out here...well i'm off to walking the dogs and running to the bank and perhaps the running store!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.450.000.000.008.45

Objective: 2 easy, 5 moderate, 1+ easy, 5 hill sprints scattered through run

Mid 40's F, windy (10-20 mph), raining (heavy rain 1st 3 miles)

"The Evergreen State."  They just can't call it that if we don't get tons of rain most of the year.   And if you want to be a runner and you dislike the TM, ya gotta run in it!  The bright side:  my shoes never got so wet that they made squishy noises, I have great gear for this type of run, and -- as the Doplar on the website promised -- it did lighten up a bit after the initial car wash conditions.

Back when I ran in Cannon Beach in November, there was one run that was the wettest I've ever dealt with.  Flooded beach, pouring rain, vicious wind... I think of that day whenever I have a rainy run now: "well, it's not as wet as that time on Cannon Beach."  It makes me smile because I remember thinking when I did that run, "this is the wettest you'll ever have to be on a run."

Speaking of water,  a hydration story...  My DH works with a guy who entered a weight loss contest in which anyone who lost 10% of their body weight by a certain date got a share of the $1000+ pot.  This weekend was the weigh in.  He weighed in and found that he was 3.5 pounds over his goal.  Then he went home and got on his elliptical for an hour or so, came back and weighed in again and was 1 pound under his goal weight.  (Cheating?)  Well, the point is: drink lots of water after you run. 

ETA: One of my buddies from Ravelry has joined the blog.  Please send a welcome to April27!  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.45
Comments
From Marion on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:28:55 from 71.213.122.61

yOU ARE a brave, brave water girl ;) The hydration thing is SO so true :) i weigh at least 3 lbs less in the winter. Awesome miles today :)

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:43:58 from 72.224.24.41

Woot! Way to go out in the rain :)

I can speak to the hydration story. On long rides out in the sun, even while downing 24 ounce bottles like it's my job it is not uncharacteristic for me to come back 7-8 pounds lighter than when I go out!

However, in the winter, I seem to put on about 10 lbs :- lol

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:01:29 from 71.229.164.25

It truly is amazing the way you run in the rain. I guess you really do belong in the Pacific Northwest and I really belong in high and dry Colorado. We both seem to be happy where we are.

And you are very good at recruiting people to the blog. I've got a couple of people I'm working on, but I haven't gotten them to join yet.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 12:51:21 from 63.240.133.93

You are my weather hero... I have not excuses when I see your run. I'm glad that you love living there. I have to say I envy your green at times, but I don't know if I could handle that much rain.

From Jefferey on Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 21:19:21 from 70.56.84.102

Sounds like viscous as well as vicious winds would both be appropriate for the occasion! Not sure which one you meant but I think you were going for vicious 8-D

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:05:10 from 67.171.56.164

Dang! I hate it when spell check doesn't save me. :)

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:30:44 from 67.171.56.164

Couldn't stand it -- I edited it. Looks like spell check did get it and my eyes are just getting really bad. But thanks for the laugh, Jeff. The vicious wind and the viscous rain! lol

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.230.000.002.207.43

Objective: VO2 and leg strength:  2+ mi w.u., 4x .25 mi hill (5%) @9-9:15 w/ jog down, then moved to flatter area, 4x .3 mi @ 7:50-8:10 w/ 3 min jog between reps. 

38F, cloudy, wet streets but no rain, calm. 

20 min. abs, upper body, stretches & Stick

Nice morning for running! I'm trying to appreciate that light in the last 15 minutes of my runs these days, as it will be taken away from me again this Sunday. :(

I am very pleased with this run, for several reasons.  It was my own idea to split the workout between hill reps and flat reps, and that provided some nice variety.  Challenging but still enjoyable. 

I also got in the planned miles, which doesn't seen to happen very often.  Between getting out of the house a couple of minutes late, stopping for a bathroom, and just general slowness (underestimating the time it will take?), I usually cover a bit less than I intend to.  The plan goes like this: Sun 18-20+, Mon 5-7 (depending on Sun), Tue & Thu 9, Wed 7, Fri 8.  I rarely hit those numbers, but it's a work in progress, right?

Ever since I got this cadence thing worked out (see last Friday's post), I've been thinking more about the other elements of faster paces.  Today I had a feeling that maybe I've spent too much time working on my cadence. I've done form drills too, but I am afraid the cadence drills have made my stride a little choppy.  Or maybe it always was.  Today I tried to really focus on leg power and arm swing.  But when the reps got really hard, when I asked myself, "what is your worst barrier to running farther or faster at this moment," the answer was, "lungs."   I'm sure it all ties together; I guess my over-active brain wants to understand what lies between me and my goal. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.43
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:20:47 from 71.229.164.25

Great workout! I'm glad you had decent weather for a change.

You are a very consciencious runner, with all that attention to form. I'm just learning to pay attention to pace. Maybe next go round I'll work on form.

From Dale on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:25:15 from 69.10.215.11

Wish I knew the secret to expanding the lungs! Until then, just keep at the things you can control and you'll keep making good progress. Good work.

From leslie on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:48:00 from 76.23.61.78

I could use some of your dedication, I should pay more attention to details, I am sure it would improve my running a ton! Very impressive!!! I am not looking forward to the time change either!

From JD on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 13:02:35 from 32.176.53.1

Great workout today.

That's what it's all about, trying to figure out what works best for us each individually, and improving, adapting, evoloving into better runners.

When are "they" going to do away with this whole time change nonsense?

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 13:33:31 from 207.225.192.66

Just when I think I'm doing pretty well, I come over to your blog and see all the creative things you are incoporating in your runs... you really inspire me to do more :)

From snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 14:18:44 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, everyone, for the encouraging words. It's amazing what completing a good workout and sharing it w/ friends can do for your mood. :D

JD, You know all the presidents love to mess with DLS time. Congress too. It gives them Master of the Universe delusions to "control time."

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.320.000.000.008.32

Objective: easy to moderate.

38F, windy at times (10-20mph), light rain started at mile 2, heavy at mile 4 w/ increasing sleet (snow?) 

The white stuff took me completely by surprise.  I was expecting a "chance of light showers," so I did not wear my jacket, just a thermal fleece.  Once wet, the wind did not feel good!  Would anyone like to sell me a crystal ball? It might be more accurate than the National Weather Service.

My run felt pretty good today. I am surprised to feel very little soreness after yesterday. Nor am I extremely tired.  I hope that doesn't mean I didn't work hard enough. I was very thorough with my stretch n Stick routine yesterday; maybe that made a difference.

Have you had a bad day lately?  It cannot compare with the nightmare experience my friend told me about last night.  This was about 6 hours of her day yesterday I pass it on for entertainment purposes, and to help us all appreciate the little things that go right...

At a little past 5 AM, she was awakened by the sound of the large kettle of turkey broth (set on low simmer overnight) hitting the floor, having been pulled down by the dog.  As she is trying to finish up the cleaning operation, still in jammies, daughter reminds her of the time - she has to drop her off for an early class.  Grabs a coat and runs out the door, still in jammies(now turkey broth covered) , hair disheveled, forgetting to grab cell phone, almost neglects to put on shoes, does neglect to put on socks.  Drops off DD and gets back on freeway -- runs out of gas.  Walks about a mile on freeway to get gas in turkey soaked jammies, can only carry a gallon can, turns out it's not enough to start engine.  Passing commuter stops and takes pity, drives her to a phone. Calls her parents, gets larger can of gas, is driven back to car. Battery dead from lengthy use of hazard lights.  Parents too cautious to turn their car around on freeway to jump start.  All of them go searching for a new battery to buy.  Three stores, none found.   Eventually decide to make the dangerous turn around to jump start the car. Finally home.  Never run errands in your jammies, watch out for the dog, and take good care of your car!  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.32
Comments
From april27 on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:02:20 from 99.188.251.180

Wow! I thought I had bad days! Thank you for that reminder! that poor thing!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:21:07 from 71.229.164.25

Or maybe just don't leave turkey broth on the stove over night. And keep gas in your car.

That was quite a story. My life's not so hard. I do drive my son early in the morning in my jammies sometimes. But I generally have my cell phone and I don't drive very far. I could walk home from there if I needed to.

I'm glad you were feeling good today.

From jefferey on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:07:52 from 67.171.56.220

OUCH! Poor thing! Does she live here at the ridge? The snow kept me off the roads again.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:47:34 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, she lives in Maple Valley. Yeah, it was dry and pleasant when I left the house. Now we've got an inch in the yard and it's still coming down. Why does this always happen on garbage day? They'll probably skip pick up again, like last week. Gr.

I feel I should defend my friend, though she certainly made a few bad choices. The broth is a bone broth we both make, and it has to stay on the stove all day or all night. Better to be home I guess (therefore, night). She had thought there was enough gas in the car -- don't we all...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:49:38 from 198.241.217.15

Sorry. I didn't mean to attack your friend with my comments about leaving things on the stove and gas in the car. Just thinking of lessons learned. Maybe broth on the back burner or something. It depends on the reach of the dog, I guess.

From Bonnie on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 13:39:08 from 128.196.228.134

I am so glad you feel so good today!! I am pretty sure I will feel horrid tomorrow.

Oh my, what a story!

With my dogs I never leave anything that even remotely smells like something to eat (like hand lotion) on the countertops ... it is sad that I am so far down on the "dog order" that I could swear they laugh at me when I get mad (Dean on the other hand is most definately alpha and they won't do ANYTHING wrong when he is around).

From Dale on Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 20:42:12 from 69.10.215.11

Now THAT is a story she'll probably remember for years to come. In time, it'll probably be a hoot to tell and everyone will get a good laugh. Until then, she can probably use it like you use your rainy beach run memory....."Well, at least today isn't as bad as that day I ran out of gas covered in turkey broth dressed in my jammies...."

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.330.000.000.007.33

Objective: moderate w/ strides (when roads allowed)

28 F, clear, light breeze (6 mph), very icy (2 slips, no falls)

20 min strength work

We ended up getting over 2 inches of snow yesterday morning, followed by a partial melt in the afternoon.  Then it all froze in the night, creating a very challenging situation for navigating around the icy places. On some streets there were lots of dry stretches of pavement, in others none at all. 

When I realized how icy it was, I bagged my plan for a 3 x 1 mile MP workout and just threw in strides whenever I could.  Still, it was absolutely gorgeous this morning. First I had a starry sky to look at, then a beautiful frost covered world, witht the sky lightening behind the Cascades. I wouldn't trade it for a Dreadmill workout.  I had to soak in the pleasure of partial daylight on a weekday run, since this is the last time for another month or two (DLS time).  Oh well, I'll still have Sundays. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.33
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 10:33:45 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad you didn't fall. I stumbled over an uneven spot in the sidewalk this morning, but didn't fall.

That was a beautiful description of your scenery. Isn't it great to be able to get outside and run in the early morning? I too am dreading the return of daylight savings time and the morning plunge back into darkness, but the sun will win out and come back before too long.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 17:11:39 from 207.225.192.66

As much as I hate the darkness at night, I do love having more light time before I go to bed. It seems to make it easier to get all that I want, or at least most of what I want, done before bed. I struggle when it is dark when I get home from work and running. I just want to climb into bed.

From snoqualmie on Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 17:25:54 from 67.171.56.164

Lori, that's understandable. Maybe DLS makes more sense at your latitude. Up here, it's insane. It's still light out at 9:30-10:00 at night by June. It's especially hard for parents of small children, not to mention those of us who go to bed when small children do! lol

From Brian on Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 21:49:26 from 24.57.67.182

I will be in North Bend for the month of April....is there any good trails in the area...everytime I am there, I don't know were to run, and I would like to find a 10 plus mile trail so I could stay off the busy streets. I know Snoqualmie is near by...hoping you could help.

Brian

From snoqualmie on Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 17:20:00 from 67.171.56.164

Two popular trails come to mind. 1) Snoqualmie Valley Trail (railroad grade) http://www5.kingcounty.gov/reports/parkinfo/getParkInfo.asp?PID=2949,Snoqualmie%20Valley%20Trail%20Site and 2) Cougar Mountain (hilly) http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=71394

The Snoqualmie Ridge development has miles of street running without busy streets if you are interested in that. The advantage of the latter is bathrooms and drinking fountains. Enjoy your visit!

From Brian on Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 17:55:18 from 24.57.67.182

Thank you very much for that info.....will come in very handy. Hopefully, the weather is decent in April!

Take care

Brian.

From april27 on Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 01:42:07 from 99.188.251.180

snow really? Still? Man it is raining here! blech

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.171.004.000.0020.17

Objective: endurance w/ MP miles. 

Planned: 20 miles total with 5 easy (10:30-12:00), 5 x alternating 1 mile MP (8:55), 1 mile easy 10:30-11:30),  4 moderate (10:00 to 10:30), 1 mile easy (10:30-11:30)

Splits:
Miles 1-5  11:01  10:39  10:25  11:16  10:27
Miles 6-15   8:36  10:44  8:36 10:32  8:43  10:36  8.33  10:37  8:59  12:17 (walked some)
Miles 16-20.17  10:19  10:50  10:15  10:33  10:13  (10:16 last .17)

Conditions in Seattle:  38F going up to low 40s, mostly cloudy becoming mostly sunny, light wind ~10 mph.

It's been kind of a hectic weekend, and I was already a little cranky about DLS time starting, but the 2-3 inches of snow on the ground this morning was the last straw.  I have already missed 2 important long run workouts in February due to illness, and though I knew that I could do the 20 miles in the snow, there was no way I was going to get the MP.  After my little emotional breakdown, my sweet, level headed husband said, "why don't you go to Seattle?"  It's a 45 minute drive each way, but I decided that it would be worth it to save my workout. Seattle's weather is much milder than ours.

Have you ever gone back to your old elementary school?  Running laps around Green Lake in Seattle was a little like that.  It seemed smaller.  I used to run there back when I lived nearby and was a beginner; so much has changed since then - in me, that is. I remember the day I made it around the lake two times! and thought I would collapse. 

It's a lovely spot, with two paths around it: a dirt trail on the outer perimeter (about 3.2 miles) and an asphalt trail closer to the lake (about 2.7 miles). I did a little of each today, but the outer trail was quite muddy and uneven, with large puddles to navigate. 

But the inner trail had its challenges too.  I forgot how crowded Green Lake can get on a sunny weekend day.  There were literally hundreds of walkers, runners, bikers and skaters going around.  At times, I had to weave in and out of what seemed like a 20-body-thick clump of humanity.  But it is mostly flat, with the exception of a few mild, short inclines, which is a luxury for me.   And there is no traffic to cross.  By switching directions and paths, I could make the laps fairly interesting, enjoy the use of my car as a base for hydration and fuel, and have a rare glimpse of what my pace  truly is when not measured in my hilly home turf.

I had a little trouble with side stitches -- very unusual for me.  Mile 12 (the 4th rep of 5) should probably not even be counted in the workout because I stopped the clock and had to walk around until the stitch subsided.  It came back in a different spot in mile 15, making me walk a bit more.  I rarely get a stitch. ??

My biggest concern about this workout is how difficult it was for me to control my pace.  Unless I stare at the dang Garmin every moment, I can't seem to tell how fast I'm going.  Those first 4 reps were way faster than I intended (perhaps causing the side stitches?).  They tired me out so badly that on #5, when I thought I had blown it because I was feeling so pooped by then, I finally hit the pace for which I was aiming all along.  Report card:  "needs improvement" on pace control, A+ on mileage...

Oh, and  a big D minus on temper control.  Around mile 17 I got hit by a dog and kind of lost it.  Yes, hit by a dog. You can see the pace drop there when I stopped to yell my head off at this guy.  He had an extendable leash (they should be illegal), and the dog was way over on my side of the path, looking behind him. As I scooted off to the outer edge to get by, the nitwit pulled the leash back in, which brought the dog's head back around to the front and wham! into my thigh.  (And the poor dog got walloped too.)  After that, I had a hard time controlling myself with other extendable leash owners,  yelling as I went along. "Pull that in!" "Too long!"  and the like.  My intolerance for crowded conditions, my tiredness, and the continuing pain in my leg brought out my warrior persona (not pretty), but fortunately I was almost done.

Sorry for such a long post.  I seem to do that a lot.  Fast typing skills meet girl who loves to go on and on about her running.   Have a great week, everyone.  

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 20.17
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From JD on Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 19:54:44 from 166.217.115.14

Nice long run!

It's understandable about losing your temper with the dog owner. Some people are completely clueless when it comes to their dogs in public! A couple of weeks ago, on a run, I stopped when two dogs came out of their yard barking after me. This happens at the same house almost everytime I run this route. So, I stopped and yelled at the house (the owners never show their faces), for about a full minute. Just a tirade of obscenities and threats (which I'll never follow up on, call me mr. passive-aggressive). I finally started moving on with my run but was still letting the expletives fly over my shoulder as I went. I'm sure the whole neighborhoods ears were burning!

Anyway, sounds like you had a good running adventure today. It's always nice to break up the routine a little bit.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 20:01:10 from 71.229.164.25

You really went through a lot to get your run in today - a drive to Seattle and then all the mass of humanity, canines, side stitch, etc. You are one dedicated woman. I give you an A+ for your run today.

I enjoy your long posts. Don't apologize.

From Kelli on Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 20:06:31 from 71.219.97.142

But I love to read your entries, so I am glad that you take the time to post them! I just finished reading all of your posts since March 1 (being out of town has me very behind). I am sorry that your weather is still not cooperating and I feel your pain!!! Winter just needs to go away, the only time I would also welcome bees (I hate those things).

Keep up the awesome training, stay away from dogs, and be safe! When is your next race?

From April27 on Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 22:13:49 from 99.188.251.180

I thought about you this morning because of the horrible rains we were having...I think we may have had tornado warnings...it was very windy!

I'm just glad that you didn't have to do another lap and then see that guy and his dog again! I feel bad for the dogs when they have bad owners!

You get an A for your run and being annoyed is completely reasonable. I know at the tail end of a long run I start getting annoyed when cars play that no you go game after you have waived them on like 3 times then they pull forward a little and you again wave them forward...I HATE that!

Any who...Happy Sunday!

From Bonnie on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:08:19 from 71.210.101.173

I hear you on the frustration scale - I am that way about cars. I have a bad tendency to yell at them when they cut in front of me, don't slow down when they see me on the road (during yesterdays run I have to run about 1200 meters along a road with no shoulder or bike lane) -- it is in the National Park, people are supposed to be slowing down and yet they careen down the hills and around the blind corners like they are at the Indy 500! I was a bit childish with a little 'finger pointing' yesterday.

Good job getting out there and finishing a strong workout!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:08:27 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks everyone. There is some major weirdness going on here in the blog. I could not see my post from yesterday, or any comments, until I posted today's run (Monday). Now I see Sunday, but not Monday. I think others might be having trouble too because there was a thread on the discussion forums. Does anyone know what's going on?

Kelli- I have a 5K on Saturday, a half-m in a couple of weeks, and Eugene Marathon in May. Welcome back from your trip. :)

ETA: I don't see posts from anyone else either, except those posted before Sunday.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:53:28 from 207.225.192.66

Don't appologize for your post. I love reading them! I had a similar experiance with a dog... but he wsa totally unleashed! He just came at me... head butted me right in my thigh. Almost knocked my down, the owner was just as supprised as me LOL.

Great run... way to get your miles in even with all the advercity:)

From april27 on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 14:26:15 from 99.188.251.180

how many races do you do a year? and I love reading your running narratives..I had a rottweiler charge at me from across the streets once...that day I had both my dogs with me! Scary!

From jefferey on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 16:19:14 from 63.231.50.7

Sno., I'm sorry(it kind of cracked me up to think about it) but I just can't picture the person I've gotten to know on this blog as "yelling my head off" at somebody. Remind me to stay on your good side! Are you ready for the 5K? I look forward to actually meeting you there.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 19:47:06 from 67.171.56.164

April - my # of races per year varies a lot. I'm mostly a marathoner, but I'm trying to add some shorter races to try to motivate me to do more speed work.

Jeff - I am pretty even tempered most of the time. Cars and irresponsible dog owners bring out the worst in me I guess. Just don't try to run me over and we'll be great friends! 5K? Not ready at all. Might do a therapy session blog report on my anxiety this week.

From nicole on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 00:47:36 from 24.17.114.112

Great run! I would have been MAAADD about that dog too, don't feel bad! I always get so mad at cars that practically run you over because they're not paying attention when turning.

Good luck at St. Paddy's! I can't wait to read about it! :-)

From kelli on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 13:34:24 from 71.219.87.34

The blog has been acting up for me, too. Weirdness abounds.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.110.000.000.005.11

Objective: recovery, easy & slow

30F, very light snow falling, streets and some sidewalks bare, everything else snow covered, a bit icy in places.

My legs were pretty dead today, and quite stiff.   Having a little voice in my head remind me that it was actually the middle of night did not help.  (DLS time.)

It seems that all my running in the rain has taken its toll on my headlamp. Though the batteries are fairly new,  the light has been flickering lately and today it would not come on at all.  Looks like there is a lot of corrosion on the contact spot.  I'll see if I can scrape that off. 

I hope the blog gets fixed soon.  Looks like miles are getting posted but no details or text. 


Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.11
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:50:23 from 71.229.164.25

Good job getting out in the dark and the snow for a recovery run. That's too bad about your headlamp. I hope you're able to get it working.

I took my hat off in the restroom at Walgreen's this morning in order to change my shirt, and my headlamp, which was on the hat, fell to the floor and the batteries all fell out.

When I went to your main page, I saw your post for yesterday, but not your post for today. However, I'm able to see today's post by going into month view. This seems to be happening to all the blogs. I assume that Sasha will get on it soon. Until then, I'm just going into month view for everyone's blogs.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:53:03 from 67.171.56.164

Oh, Carolyn, you are so clever. I shall try that. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.930.000.000.006.93

Objective: Remain vertical.

23F, clear,  lots of ice, full moon.

20 min. strength work

We'll call this an "anything but the treadmill" run.   After a late start (trying to get my headlamp to work), I made  my way slowly through the icy streets.  The moon and the abundant snow that fell yesterday made the world a little lighter, but without my headlamp it was really hard to see the ice and I had to be extremely cautious. There were patches of treacherous, thick, black ice from a late afternoon melt, and then on the relatively bare spots of pavement there was that ice that comes from moist air and forms a sort of flower pattern.  The darker, less traveled side streets were the worst (and of course the hardest to see), so I soon found myself circling the around and around on the 3 main arterial roads.  Glacial pace, glacial surface.  "At least I'm not on the treadmill."

Moving so slowly on the ice, I could have used another layer of clothing. After a bathroom stop, my core temperature must have dropped enough to create a crisis in that little room in my brain where the shut-off-blood-to-hands lever is.  I had two layers of wool on my hands, but it was as if they were bare. Oh, the pain. Accept and endure. "At least I'm not on the treadmill." 

Now, about that 5K on Saturday.  Not ready. Not in the least.  I looked up my 5K history in my planner; it has been nearly five years since I ran a 5K.  My time back then was just over 29 minutes.  At the time, I think I had about 14 fast twitch muscle fibers, and now I'm probably up to 26 or 27.  But I'm well overdue for this particular flavor of humble pie, and the event is right in my own neighborhood, so there I'll be. 

Of course, I'm not "fast" in the marathon either.  But I can look at that other number, twenty-six point two, and feel all proud and happy inside.  And I enjoy the longer, slower races, in which my lungs do not feel like they are on fire.  The course for this 5K is quite hilly.  All I need for the humiliation to be complete is for it to be as icy on Saturday as it is today.  But I don't think Old Man Winter would do that to Sean, our race director and resident Awesome Elite Runner.  It's me Winter is after.

Jeff, if you are trying to spot me, I'll be the one looking like I'm wondering what on earth I'm doing there.  I'm going to show up early so I can pick up my number and go warm up, but hopefully we can say hello and officially meet just before the race.  I like the course changes Sean made in February. Did you look at that?  It seems so stupid, but I think I might drive my car the few blocks to the start so I can leave stuff in it.  Is that what you'll be doing?  I hope I can spot you.  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.93
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:53:51 from 71.229.164.25

It sounds like you had a much icier run than I did. Mine was snowy, but I didn't hit any slick, icy spots until near the end.

I was actually thinking of you while I was running in the snow today, think that you've been out in nasty stuff a lot more this winter than I have. And it turns out you were having your own nasty stuff.

Good luck on your 5K. Don't stress about it. What have you got to prove? We all know you're awesome.

From jefferey on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:01:38 from 67.171.56.220

I've got a friend coming to my house and we are going to jog there. About 1.5 miles from my place. We should be there about 8:15ish I think. It was 23 at my place this morning too. Brrrrrrrrrr!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 17:21:31 from 207.225.192.66

Way to get out and go even with slippery conditions and no head light! You are one dedicated little chick!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.780.000.000.006.78

Objective: 2E + 4 moderate, w/ hard effort on hills + cool down

5:15 AM, 26F (w. ch. 16) wind 10-15 mph, clear.  Roads bare and dry

15 min. strength work

It was very nice to have traction back today.  The sidewalks on the shady sides of the streets are still snow covered, but the roads were nice and dry.   

I wasn't sure what kind of a workout to do today.  It would normally have been a speed work day, but that didn't seem appropriate, with a 5K in 3 days.  Just another sign that I have very little experience with this distance. 

Headlamp update.  DH fiddled with it yesterday; he has electronic testing gadgets and secret knowledge that seems to only appear on the Y chromosome.  After about 10 minutes the headlamp was pronounced dead.  It was only 7PM, so I scooted off to Issaquah to replace it at the REI store. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 6.78
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:39:18 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad you had clear roads and it sounds like you devised a good, appropriate workout for yourself. Too bad the headlamp died, but it's a good thing you're all set up with a new one.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:07:29 from 207.225.192.66

Gota love that Y chromosome when it comes to handy things :) Glad you had some dry roads for a change. I think your running plan was a good one considering your race this Saturday.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:38:46 from 71.229.164.25

The handy with things aspect of the Y chromosome in my house is broken, I think.

From jefferey on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:52:02 from 67.171.56.220

Sno, My daughter tells me that the fountain at the track is now working. She uses it every day now during track. I tried it this morning but it really was frozen. I couldn't even push in the button.

From Bonnie on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:05:45 from 71.210.101.173

Hey Sno ... don't worry about the 5K you will PR no matter what, and my guess is you will surprise yourself. Normally, what I would do today (a couple days out from a 5K) is 1 - 1.5 at race pace in the middle of the run ... just enough to work you a little, but not too much to burn you out.

I am with Carolyn, the only helpful aspect of the Y chromosome in my house is getting rid of dead rodents (from the cat/dogs) and bugs ... maybe cleaning out the gutters from time to time. Luckily he is cute and nice so it is ok ;-). Actually, his chromsome comes in handy when we backpack for a week too ... he is really good at starting fires and finding our way out of sometimes scarey prediciments.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.380.000.001.008.38

Objective: easy, with 1 mi @ 5K pace

5:05 AM: 29F, clear, wind 10-15 mph, lots of moonlight

15 min. strength work

In preparation for Saturday's race, I took Bonnie's advice from yesterday's comments, and threw in a mile of race pace running after mile 5.  I'm not completely convinced that I have a 5K pace.  Sometimes it seems like I just have 3 speeds: slow (11:00), medium (10-10:15) and fast (8:50-9:10). Well, fast relative to the other two.  "5K pace" implies that you could maintain it for 3 miles, over varying terrain.  Hm, doubtful.  Does everyone really have all those different paces that McMillan suggests?  I think someone told me on the RT forums once that Ryan Hall's 10K pace is just a few seconds faster than his marathon pace.  I wish I understood this better.

I'm also not convinced that it is inevitable for me to get a PR over my 29 min 5K from five years ago.  It's true that I'm running twice as much weekly mileage, have improved my marathon time by over 30 minutes, and have mostly likely become a much more efficient runner.  But I am also 5 years older, at an age when 5 years can make a big difference. (There's a reason the BQ standard falls every 5 years!)  And I do not have a lot of talent, training, or enjoyment at this distance.  

Moreover, Saturday's course is very hilly.  My one mile today at 8:30 pace had me on the edge of my aerobic zone and if I had encountered a hill at any time, it would have knocked me down quick.  Earlier in my run I covered one of the hills that will be on the course; approaching it well within my aerobic zone (10:15), and I still managed to slow to 11:00 by the top. So what hope is there of me hitting 8:30 miles, or 9:30  miles for that matter, throughout the course?  I don't mean to be pessimistic, I just want to be clear about what I can or cannot hope for.   Any thoughts on this would be welcome.

Today's tidbit... There are a couple of interesting videos on technique you might enjoy.  Part 1 & Part 2

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 8.38
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:00:13 from 71.229.164.25

Dare I say, maybe you're overthinking this 5K. You haven't run a 5K in a long time, it's not your specialty, you haven't done 5K-specific training. I think you should take some of the pressure off your self and just go out and have fun time and don't worry about a PR. (Easy for me to say, might be harder for me to do.)

From snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:16:24 from 67.171.56.164

Well, I originally said I don't know how this is going to come out, but today I was commenting on Bonnie's prediction that I would surprise myself and that a PR is inevitable. I do want to push myself a little and try to run fast, rather than totally fun-run it. But my expectations are not high.

Hope your hand is ok!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:39:56 from 207.225.192.66

Sno, 5K's are rough...but I'm sure you will be fine! Run hard but without expectation of time, I'm sure you will do good.

From luzylew on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:16:42 from 208.187.197.42

It's so exhausing to predict and second guess what's possible before a race. It's always such a gamble anyway--how well did you sleep? Eat? How's the weather? the course.?....such a degree of variables. I can never wrap my brain around all of it. Just go out and run as fast as you can for as long as you can (Especially on the downhill parts). How's that? I always do better when I just don't care all that much. A 5K is a nice one to go all out because you know it will end sort of soon. Good luck. You are very serious in your training, I bet you'll have a great race.

From Bonnie on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 14:59:15 from 128.196.228.134

Sno -- I agree with Carolyn, don't over think this, on any given day the only thing you can do is go out and run the best you can. Although there are hills you are underestimating the power of adrenaline - the mind is a strange thing. 5K pace (even for a mile) always feels like that -- actually it can feel much worse, even in training. You are just not really very well trained at this uncomfortable pace -- however, you have an incredible amount of stamina which will help you up the hills and maintain a pace much faster than you realize.

I have been able to hit Greg's predicted race times pretty much on the money -- but only when I was training specifically for the distances. My first race before I worked with Greg was a 1/2 marathon, over the next two years I raced 5 - 10K's (and a couple 4 and 5 mile races) and while training specifically for those distances I hit his prediction within 2-3 seconds.

My advice to you for Saturday is to run hard. Don't charge up the hills, rather keep a constant effort - that way you will be more effictive in using the downhills to recover. Don't look at your watch except for the first mile marker -- here make sure you aren't running faster than 8:30 pace -- after the first mile run as hard as you can, while maintaining the same "feel" as you did the first mile. At mile 3 pump your arms and run as hard as you possibly can.

We will love you no matter what you run. You are a marathoner and are just using this race as a workout -- BUT -- I stand by my prediction: you will do much better than you think you can. JUST RELAX and "enjoy" the experience!!

From JD on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 15:15:27 from 64.65.159.206

I'll be running a 5k on saturday as well, my first road race in almost 6 years. No expectations for me. Just going to go enjoy the experience, run as hard as I can (we train for endurance, so it shouldn't be a problem covering the distance, even at a faster pace), and embrace the pain. When my lungs are burning, and I can't see straight as I near the finish line, I'll take comfort in the fact that you are going through the same thing! Have fun!

From Bonnie on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 15:24:42 from 128.196.228.134

Good luck on your race JD.

I am brain-dead Sno, I just realize your blog was asking about paces from Greg's calculator, not race times. For the most part those are the target ranges that I train in ... I do have trouble with some of the "speed" paces - mainly because I have not been training for speed for so long -- when I do "speed" workouts (not cruise or tempo intervals which are more stamina based and easier for me) I don't always hit the specified range the first few workouts.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 18:41:52 from 67.171.56.164

Thank you, everyone, for the great advice, opinions, and encouragement! Bonnie, you are gold - you might as well send me a bill for your personal trainer services. Everything you said made sense, and I really appreciate your point of view, knowing how experienced you are. JD- good luck, and I'll be thinking the same thing. lol I do feel better, and clearer about the "plan" now. Thank you!

From april27 on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 22:25:56 from 99.188.251.180

Oh man! You make me not want to run a 5k...never have--I want to sign up for my first for May 30th...with my brother incidently...he will be in town...Well I expect a full report as to how it went. I think you should have fun with it since marathons are your obvious specialty!

From nicole on Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 01:00:21 from 24.17.114.112

I think a PR is definitely inevitable! I will be rooting for you! Are you doing the Snoqualmie 5k or the Seattle 3.75er? I'm assuming Sno?

I've been wondering these same things you are - how much faster is it appropriate for you to go in a race than you go in your normal long runs? I am almost always SO nauseous following races and while I'm sure its good that I left it all out there, I think it means I'm going too much faster in the race than I'm trained for. So I'm wondering how much you're trained for. 0:30 seconds faster per mile than race pace?

GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND! You will dominate, I'm sure of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Resting today (ah, sleeeep).  5K tomorrow. Long run Sunday.  

Comments
From Metcalf Running on Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:54:45 from 207.225.192.66

Enjoy your day resting... you have earned it!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:13:00 from 71.229.164.25

Good luck on your 5K tomorrow! I'm looking forward to hearing about it.

From april27 on Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 15:09:24 from 99.188.251.180

I didn't think you ever rested??? LOL

Good luck on your 5K! I will be thinking of you!

From april27 on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 08:32:42 from 99.188.251.180

How do I add you to my favorites? I looked in the dicussion forums but the instructions did not register with me...:(

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 09:59:24 from 67.171.56.164

April, to add people to your favorites: 1) first check their true blog name by looking at the URL and noting the name that appears before the ".fastrunningblog" part, (for me, it's Snoqualmie) 2) log in to your blog 3) select "Blog Options" from the menu bar at the left, 4) when the page loads look towards the bottom - there should be a field for "favorites" where you can list people.

Thanks!

From april27 on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:54:10 from 99.188.251.180

Thanks that worked!

Race: St. Paddy's Day Run (3.1 Miles) 00:26:02, Place overall: 81, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.500.000.003.104.60

~40F, light wind, raining. 

In a nutshell:   I am overjoyed, amazed, absolutely thrilled.   Thank you, Bonnie!!!! I did just what you advised.  PR of over 3 minutes.  :D

Before the race: I kept my jacket on trying to stay dry for the warm up, an easy jog with some strides and a couple of hill sprints.  Although I live less than a mile away, I brought the car to leave clothing and store different clothing if needed.

Mile 1 (8:28): A smallish crowd of about 400 runners, we took off down the first block, with a very slight decline, turning into a paved forested path. At this point I felt totally walled in with the bodies; there was no method for lining up and the whole field was scattered with walkers and runners of all speeds.   A runner just in front of me tripped and nearly fell, flailing arms for about 4 yards.  I broke through and took off a little too fast to get away from the mass of bodies.  Had to rein myself in when I realized I was breathing far too hard (teensy glance at watch - 7:38 - yikes).  We went a short way down the path, and then made a hairpin turn to come up the other side of the little wooded area - uphill.  Emerging back onto the residential streets, the next few blocks were uphill, then flat, then uphill, then flat, finally flattening out for a stretch before the 1 mile marker.

Mile 2 (8:41):  This mile began with seeing my wonderful family by the side of the road as we passed near my house.  Waved quickly and pressed on.  Long downhill with some turns - at times too steep to be helpful or comfortable - then a long uphill, the worst on the course.  Some time in here I was thinking, "Me no like."  I never felt like my legs were having trouble (even now, they feel great), but my lungs burned and I never could quite exhale enough.  I followed Bonnie's advice and didn't look at my watch,  just tried to stay on the edge of what I could tolerate and paid attention to my form. 

Mile 3 (8:03) and last .1 (8:08):  A big part of this mile was on another paved, forested path.  Only one uphill stretch here, but some other challenges.  A steep downhill on gravel, a sharp turn, some ice at the edges of the path, and one short, snow-covered bridge.   When I knew there was only about .5 left to run, and I knew there were no more hills, I pumped my arms and just went as fast as I could maintain.  Approaching the finish, I saw the clock and really could not believe it.  Got a little teary even.  Remained gasping for breath for at least a minute after the finish.

Post race - I finally met Jeff!   I got a wonderful little trophy and a Footzone gift certificate. 

You guys can now all say, "I told you so."  I've earned that.  I promise I will never burden you all with whiny predictions of doom again.  (You can remind me of this if I forget.)   I was not being falsely modest in my doubts this past week, I truly had no idea I could perform that well.  I can't say I really enjoyed it - until it was over of course!  It was extremely uncomfortable.   And the AG award reflects the small, uncompetitive field that was racing.  But I don't care.  I just might have to sleep with the darn thing.  I am so pleased and encouraged by this. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.60
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From JD on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:25:40 from 166.217.171.67

Awesome! Very good splits! You continue to amaze me with your strength and improvement. Congratulations on the age group win as well. You just made my day!

From Kelli on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:26:20 from 71.219.76.202

5ks are super hard, so I avoid them! That is absolutely amazingly great! I am so happy that you had such a good race and that your family was there to cheer you on and that you placed 1st! WONDERFUL!!!!

From Burt on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:30:52 from 98.167.151.26

Way to go! First place AD is always great. Funny that you'd never met Jeff before. Thought for sure two people with Snoqualmie in their blog titles would know each other.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:51:00 from 71.229.164.25

Yeah!!! Way to go! Congratulations on the PR (better than my PR, by the way) and your age division win. You are amazing! Yeah!!!

From jefferey on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:56:07 from 67.171.56.220

When we lined up we were right next to a couple running with a weimereiner(sp?). I thought of you and wondered whether you might give them a piece of your mind8-)

It was really hard to get past all those people. Maybe it wasn't a gazillion, but it sure seemed like it. Great report! I liked yours a lot better than mine. Nice job on the PR!! All those miles are good for something.

From Bonnie on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 16:02:23 from 71.210.101.173

I told you so, I told you so, I told you so!! YIPPEEEE!!

I was thinking on my run today that I was going to write this, even before you gave me permission (I actually posted a little while ago, but it did not actually get posted, odd). I swear I had you down for 26 mins! I know for sure you have at least a 25:30 in you on an easier course, especially now that you know you can do it. A little practice will go a long way for those middle miles!

YIPPPEE ... I am very happy for you

From azdesertmonsoon on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 16:15:11 from 63.228.146.159

Congratulations on a great race!

From Marion on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 17:29:11 from 71.213.107.184

WOW! That is amazing! Way to go speedy sister :) That is one fast 5k! :) Big smiles and ((((hugs))))! WOW!!

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 19:48:51 from 71.219.123.68

Woot Woot!!! That is so great! You did amazing!

From April27 on Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 23:55:35 from 99.188.251.180

Wow you did so good! And on such a hilly course! Great job! I would sleep with a trophy too if I got one!

From nicole on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:39:51 from 24.17.114.112

WAY TO GO! You DOMINATE! And a trophy as well- that is awesome!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 13:55:48 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks everyone!

And Jeff, it felt like a gazillion at the start to me too. I didn't want to be rude and line up near the front, but there were all kinds of people up there who didn't belong; passing them was difficult and annoying.

From Sean Sundwall on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 16:04:38 from 24.16.6.48

Fantastic job on a course that is not easy and in conditions that are very normal for us but still not great for racing. Your ultimate 5k is still way down the clock. This summer you will be able to crush it on some of the faster courses in the area. BTW...I'm strongly considering changing the direction of the run next year to avoid the congestion on the path. I heard that feedback from a couple people.

From snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 17:29:01 from 67.171.56.164

It was a great experience, Sean! Thank you for all your hard work. If you are going to change the course I'd understand, but I loved the downhill and flat finish! It gave me a lot of energy to know that the hills were all behind me when I came out of the bog trail. And btw, I love the trophy! I'm sure I would have enjoyed the bobble-head (lol) but this seems more apt. :)

Mostly, what this race has done for me is to bring me back to even considering short distances and not feeling like such a v02 failure. I would not have even entered except that it was in my own neighborhood and I wanted to see what that would be like.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 16:37:15 from 64.81.245.109

It is encouraging to know that you can close a 5 K with an 8:03 mile on a rolling terrain. Which probably means with some practice you could learn to run 8:00 pace for the whole 5 K, that would give you sub-25:00.

For a comparison, I would struggle to close a 5 K at much faster, if fact as little as 5 seconds per mile faster, than my 5 K average pace off 20 seconds per mile slower starting out.

Also means that with your tendency to being on the slow side in short distances you could probably learn to run the full marathon at 8:50 pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.700.000.000.0010.70

Objective: slow & easy

7:30 AM:  32F, snowing and blowing (15-20 mph, gusting to 30). Snow wasn't sticking to streets at first, traction was an issue after mile 5.

I would have liked to make this a much longer run, but winter got me on this one.  I could have used some goggles and an extra layer on the legs.  Painfully cold hands, painful stinging of the snow on my face and in my eyes, etc.  I was pleased to see, however, that my legs felt pretty good and my energy level was good until I started getting cold. 

I'm still grinning like an idiot over this...

CIMG0580

...the gold bumps on the shoe are the bottoms of golden wings. :D

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 10.70
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 15:42:39 from 71.210.101.173

That is a very cool trophy!!

It is good you took it a little easier today - yesterday probably took more out of you than you realize. Good job Sno!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 15:48:32 from 198.241.217.15

That's a great trophy!! You really earned it!

That sounds like a really terribly cold and miserable run. But I wouldn't chalk this battle completely up to winter. You got in a lot of running before calling it quits. Winter's got nothing on you.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 16:41:17 from 67.171.56.164

Early afternoon update: it's now 42F, still breezy but no snow, no rain. I really thought I had to run early, in the blizzard, because I had to take DD to her 4H meeting this afternoon. Now that's been canceled. Gr. I hope you're right Bonnie. It would be nice if the loss of miles was "all for the best." I think I'll go with that. :)

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 16:58:55 from 67.171.56.164

I take that last comment back. We just had a tremendous clap of lightening/thunder that shook the house and the hail is coming down the size of peas. Blizzard good.

From JD on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 18:47:41 from 166.217.149.37

Nice run today. That is a really cool trophy!

From edrickt on Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 23:58:10 from 64.2.220.135

Cool trophy, although I think it's going to be difficult to drink out of. Do you think it will fit in your microwave?

Miles run in blizzards count double!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.400.000.000.005.40

Objective: easy & slow

5:15 AM: Mid 30's F, snowing hard through mile 4, wind 5-10 mph, thin layer of snow on roads, building steadily throughout run (by mile 2, wished I had Yaktrax on)

20 min strength & stretching

Another run in sloppy conditions.  I couldn't help getting a little stiff in the neck and shoulders, trying to keep the snow off my face and eyes.  I wonder what it would be like to run with my big, warm ski goggles and a balaclava.   :)  At least my legs did feel really good today.  But I became tired a little early, possibly because of traction issues. 

This week's mileage will be a bit low.  It was scheduled for a recovery week, even before I had to cut Sunday's run short.  Thu-Sat will be part of a mini-taper for a half-m on Sunday.  I can't figure out what planet my brain was on when I decided to race two weekends in a row.  Maybe the half will just be a training run. I'll see how I feel. 

I am starting to think about fall marathons.  It would be nice to find one that is not too challenging (in case I am still after my BQ), not too hard to get to, possibly a good destination for a family vacation.  It would be so easy to just do Portland again, but a bit boring as I've run it 3 times already.  It could be nice to redeem myself there, as my last Portland was disastrous, or it could be just plain uninspiring.  It sounds crazy, but I am thinking about Billings.  I have cousins in Montana whom I would love to see, and we could perhaps go to Yellowstone.   My other thought is So. Calif., with a trip to Disneyland for my DD.  I'd love to hear other ideas! ???


Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 5.40
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:39:34 from 71.229.164.25

Old Man Winter is still trying to beat you down, isn't he. You'll win in the end.

I didn't realize you had a half-marathon this weekend. You are a little crazy to race two weekends in a row.

As for a Fall Marathon, maybe there's one here in Colorado you could do. If you did, I would do it with you. But I don't know whether there is. I'd have to check. In any case, I wasn't really planning on a second marathon this year, but I'll be interested to see what you choose, and maybe I'll find a way to join you.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:44:39 from 67.171.56.164

That would be so much fun! I've got to find one that the family is willing to go to. It's funny, and kind of sweet, but they really want to come to my marathons. And therefore they want veto power over where we go. They've already nixed SF (Nike women's mar.).

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 17:33:03 from 207.225.192.66

Of the two you posted I would do the Cali. one! There is a fall marathon in Logan Utah, I've never done it but heard that it is pretty. Depending on how I feel this year I might try it. Don't know if that is someplace your family would want to visit.

I'm racing two weekends in a row also (10 miler last weekend, 1/2 this weekend) then one weekend break before another 1/2 LOL I'm definately just using them as training vs. race.

From jefferey on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 20:00:14 from 71.32.85.209

How about Salmon, Id? Just a thought... I've got an uncle there and the marathon goes right by his place. Not sure how manure smell would be during the running of a marathon? :-)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 20:58:16 from 67.171.56.164

Wow, that's a beautiful course, Jeff. They cap it at 250 runners! Man, there will be more bears than runners out there. :) DD is cheering for a Montana trip at this point (Yellowstone).

From jefferey on Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 21:33:43 from 71.32.85.209

I may have to rethink this Salmon, Idaho marathon. Check out some of the comments- Here is a good one-Put this marathon on your calendar for 2009! (about: 2008)

Course: 5 Organization: 5 Fans: 5

F. S. from Boise, Idaho (9/16/08)

3 previous marathons

1 Salmon Marathon

What a fantastic event the good folks in Salmon, Idaho put together. Put it on your race calendar for 2009! This point-to-point race starts at an altitude of 4,881 ft and follows a dirt road into Salmon, ID where it ends on the bank of the Salmon river at 3,931 feet. It is downhill with a few rolling hills. There are two inclines at mile 7 (steep, but short) and mile 14 where the course takes a 1.5-mile out-and-back up a drain. This is a fast course! In my running group of five, we set three PRs! The race is a Boston qualifier. The entire event is superbly organized! Support stations were every two miles with plenty of volunteers, water, Heed and porta-potties. The intersections along the road were staffed by members of a local horseback riding group. Other attractions included a moose at mile 3, a senior citizen group singing "God Bless America" at mile 5, hawks circling low in the sky at mile 18, and a herd of goats at mile 21. Sounds pretty sweet!

http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=2833090912

From april27 on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 21:06:13 from 99.188.251.180

I have family in Missoula, MT...I heard they have a 1/2 there...It has intrigued me to go out that way..but from chicago I think it is a pain to get to...I think i would have to go to Washington just to catch a flight to Missoula. It is really weird how that works!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.400.000.000.007.40

Objective: 1 easy, remainder moderate.  Recovery week & mini-taper.

5:15 AM: 35F,  heavy precip. - rain mixed with wet snow.  Wind 5-10 mph except in some open spaces; seemed like ~20 mph around Eagle Lake.  Traction: good in 1st 3 miles, after that it became part solid snow, mostly slush swamp.  Muck-o-meter on high.

Miserable weather!  We seem to be in this pattern where it rains all night and starts snowing 2 minutes before my run.  I don't know whether the rest of the country gets a lot of this wet snow, but it is horrible: huge (1+ inch across), wet flakes. And when they hit skin, clothing, or shoes, they stick.  They collect on the ground and make a deep layer of slush.  I'm so tired of being wet and cold.  Dry snow with colder air would be far easier.

Not that I would have relished being out in this weather even longer, but I am frustrated by my  late start today, especially because I did manage to drag myself out of bed on time.  But my favorite cat, the Cat Who Must Be Obeyed, was badly injured in a fight yesterday.  I underestimated the time it would take for me to get his needs taken care of this morning. His swelling is down and he is eating well, so I'm sure he'll be ok, but he is quite beat up.  I wish he would consent to be an indoor cat like the other two, but he needs a bigger world.  For now he is willing to stay inside, thank goodness.

Now, where did I put that silver lining to this mucky morning?  ...Oh yes, here it is: no treadmill!!!  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.40
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:35:35 from 71.229.164.25

Good job finding that silver lining. I'm sorry you're having such awful weather. It makes me feel guilty.

I hope your cat gets better and your weather improves. You are quite the trooper to put up with it all.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:39:38 from 207.225.192.66

Your weather has to improve soon! It's just impossible to have much more bad weather. As always, I'm impression that you get out and run no matter what the conditions!

I hope you can gets better soon. We had a scare last week with out old dog. Stepped on something in the yard that went way deep, blood was pulsing out of her foot. Luckily my mother-in-law. (she leaves with us) found her and got her to the vet, or she would have bleaa to death before my husband and I got home.

From MissFIT on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:28:10 from 163.248.142.150

As much as I love the beauty of Washington I just couldn't handle "gloomy" weather.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:42:50 from 67.171.56.164

You might not say that this summer. We have gorgeous, relatively dry, temperate summers -- one of WA state's best kept secrets. I'm just payin' the price right now.

From Marion on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:45:12 from 71.219.49.37

Shall we call you Eeyore today ;) The weather is not a friend some days. The wet heavy snow is almost impossible to do anything with. There were 6" of it the morning my dad had his surgery and I just bagged the run. I figured it was God's way of telling me to just go be with my parents and don't worry about running today. God loves me :)

From JD on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:32:45 from 64.65.159.206

The Cate Who Must Be Obeyed. Is that his name?

Winter's really putting you to the test. I don't know how you do it!

Our cats, of which we have four, all stay in the yard (we have a cat door, so they're in and out), if a foreign cat even tries to invade their territory...well, forget about it.

From Bonnie on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:52:55 from 71.210.101.173

Drat that Father Winter anyway -- you already have him beat ... why doesn't he just concede already ;-)!

From JD on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 14:29:35 from 64.65.159.206

Oops! I got cat mixed up with Cate, an old girlfriend who also insisted on being obeyed! LOL!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 15:41:49 from 67.171.56.164

JD, hahahaha! No, his name is Dandelion, aka, Danny, Dan-dan, or, just "Your Majesty." He's got us all wrapped around his little paw. For one thing, he is stunning to look at (a Bengal, the only purebred cat I've ever had). On top of that, he is the most affectionate cat I've ever had. Of course we love the other two little noodle heads as well. They are more my daughter's than mine. To them, I am mostly The Food Dispenser.

Now the sun keeps peeping out and we just have occasional light showers. It's disgusting. Do you think I can have a victory party on March 22? I lost a few battles, but I have yet to step on the TM!

From april27 on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 21:03:35 from 99.188.251.180

Well you just made me re realize why I only have dogs!

From Kelli on Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 22:18:43 from 71.219.76.202

All day long I have been thinking about checking your blog to see who won the showdown!!! Since our weather is improving, I was hoping yours would be, too. BUT NOPE!!! Sorry about that, I am going to send 1/2 of the sunshine your way (I need to keep the other half).

Sorry about the cat fight, that is not good! I am glad your cat is alright.

What are you tapering for now?

From snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:52:19 from 67.171.56.164

Half marathon on Sunday. Thanks, Kelli.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.512.000.000.008.51

Objective: easy to moderate, w/ 2 mi @ MP.  Recovery week and mini-taper.

5:05 AM:  36F, wind 10 mph, dry!!! :D

15 min. abs and upper body only

Traction, oh sweet traction!  After spending the past 3 runs huddled over in the driving rain and snow, I felt like a turtle coming out of its shell.   It's still plenty cold, but it's funny how that's quite manageable when one is not being plastered with wet snow. 

I just had a look at the course map for Sunday's Half-M.  Whoa.  I've run this before; the course has changed!   The start and finish are in a completely different location, and the course covers some new terrain.   Hm.  I'm going to have to get my brain wrapped around that.  You'll be all right.  Change is good. It's probably an improvement.  It's an adventure. You'll be just fine.


Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 8.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:22:33 from 71.229.164.25

Congratulations on having dry ground this morning. I hope it stays dry for a while for you, particularly for your race on Sunday.

Looks like you've got quite a few hills in that half-marathon course. I'm sure you'll do great. You're awesome at distance running.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:17:44 from 207.225.192.66

So glad that you finally had a dry day you have really earned it.

Looks like a exciting course you will be running, I'm sure you will do great! You have been running so strong. I don't think the Moab one that Carolyn and I will be running will be nearly as challenging, at least from what I can remember, also after the past few months I'm just hoping to muddly through upright :)

Looks like it might be a seanic run though. I know that Moab is beautiful, I can't wait!

From Bonnie on Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 21:28:51 from 128.196.228.134

Remember the 5K Sno -- do the best you can do, don't over-think it, constant effort ... there you go!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.411.000.000.007.41

Objective: 4 easy, 1 MP, remainder easy. Mini-tapering for Sunday half-m.

5:15 AM:  40F, wind 9-12 mph, occasional light showers. Very pleasant.

I really love these shoes, the Brooks ST3.  It has taken me a while to figure this out (or maybe taken a while to arrive at this point of view), but I like running better when I can feel the street a little more. I don't like a lot of cushy bulk around my foot and I seem to run a lot better without it.  Whether I would feel that way for 26.2 miles is another question.  I'm going to find out about half of that question on Sunday as I try out these shoes for a longer race.  Vocabulary word for the day, proprioception.

ETA: Today I crossed paths with my old running buddy (ran with her for a little while about 2.5 years ago.  We ran together for a couple of miles.  It was  nice to see her.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.41
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:04:19 from 71.229.164.25

Very interesting article about proprioception. If you feel like you run better when you feel the street a little more, maybe some day you'll try the Vibram Five Fingers or barefoot running, eh?

That's cool that you met up with your old running buddy. My old running buddy lives in Ohio now, so there is little to no chance of that happening to me.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:03:31 from 207.225.192.66

All this talk of running buddies makes me miss mine. She was sidelined by pelvic stress fractures. She is slowly coming back and I think soon we will be able to run some short distances together.

I can't remember what Brooks I used to wear. I wore that brand for quite a while.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:12:54 from 198.241.156.7

Hey Snoqualmie.

Take a look at the American Discovery Trail marathon (http://www.adtmarathon.com/index.htm) for a fall marathon. If you do this one, I'll definately do it with you.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:39:38 from 67.171.56.164

I don't think I'll ever go to Five Fingers, but you never know. I think now that I've started liking "less shoe," I will gradually get stronger feet, but the FF's look downright scary.

Thanks for the link to that marathon. I'm not sure I want to run a marathon at that altitude while I'm on the BQ quest. I'd be willing to go up to 3 or 4 thousand, but not 7. Wimp, I know. :) But thanks for letting me know about it. Another year perhaps! Billings is looking more and more likely as the support crew (aka my family) is all excited about going to Yellowstone. We'll see.

I was great to see my old running buddy, and I would love to run with her from time to time, but I'm glad to be a "lone wolf" right now. It just suits me better. I like to space out, or to focus really hard on the running, but the "yack attack" runs were more of a distraction than a help. And I do like the freedom of where I go.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:41:25 from 198.241.156.7

I like the freedom of running when and were I want, at the pace I want. But I do like to run with someone every once in a while.

How about this one:

http://www.mammothmarathons.org/lgc/lgc.html

From snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:45:19 from 67.171.56.164

You know how to tempt a person! But that one is pretty high up too.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 13:46:43 from 198.241.156.7

It's only 5,650! Ha! Come spend a couple of months training with me at 5,800! That's the elevation in my neighborhood.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 14:16:27 from 67.171.56.164

Well then, YOU should be the one coming HERE! With all those extra red blood cells you would absolutely fly at sea level! :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 14:18:38 from 198.241.156.7

I suppose I could if you give me a good excuse to do so.

From JD on Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 15:51:56 from 64.65.159.206

It's nice to find a running shoe that works well for you.

Have a good race Sunday!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 19:09:51 from 76.27.89.110

Good luck on your race tomorrow!

Race: Mercer Island Half Marathon (13.1 Miles) 02:02:38, Place overall: 411, Place in age division: 15
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.0013.100.000.0015.10

Age place: 15th of 34, Overall place 411 of 1,619. Time from gun to start mat: 2:14!
40F, light wind (except strong head wind last mile), occasional light rain
2 Accelgels
Attire (worked quite well): Nike tights (light), thin tech shirt plus thicker half-zip top, cap, Smartwool gloves

Splits 9:28, 9:27, 9:08 , 9:20 , 8:53 , 9:08, 9:01, 919  , 9:01 , 10:12 , 8:58 ,10:05, (last .1) 9:32  PR of about 2 minutes.

I am very happy about my results, but not very happy with the race overall.  I did not enjoy myself as much I thought I would, for reasons below, and I do not think I paced myself well. But I learned a lot and it was an excellent workout.  It is very gratifying to see my time come down, especially given the challenging course.

If I said I had a course PR of 3 minutes, that would only be about 70% true, as at least 1/3 of the course was completely new to me, including the challenging finish miles.  The happy me says, "This course is gorgeous: woods and beautiful homes and Lake Washington views almost all the time!"  The grumpy me says, "This course is nothing but hills, hills, hills! When you're not going up, you're going down. It's a Leg Eater. It's a series of ski hills, minus the chairlifts."  So, yin and yang and all that jazz.

The start area was up an alley behind the Community Center. Not good.  All of us late-porta-potty users scrambling to get into the alley entrance without going near the chip mat and trying to move down to our own corral through a mass of bodies. Not pretty.   It took me about 4.5 miles to stop feeling boxed in by slower runners, and I really think it's because people felt relieved just to make it into the alley, let alone move back to where they belong by pace.  

Around mile 5 I was no longer fighting bodies to keep my pace and I had a few fun miles on the "rollers."  The long hills come later in the race, when your legs are nice and thrashed.  But until around mile 9 I was pretty happy.  I saw I was on course for a possible sub-2, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't last.  As I mentioned before, the pacing just didn't click for me early and I spent a lot of energy trying to get around people.  

Mile 10, the dark times.  Here is where one of my great character flaws comes in.  When I get to a certain level of tiredness, I have a hard time caring.  Goals are reevaluated.  Not walking becomes a great virtue.   Mile 11, I rallied, as you can see.  Mile 12, I had the school spirit but no pom-poms.  Did my best.  The last .1 is uphill. Dang those hills.

The good: beautiful course, perfect running temperature.  DD & DH were there at the finish as well as my Ravelry friend, who won 1st in the 10K for our age group.
The bad: rotten start area, poor endurance through the hills (despite where I live! sheesh!).
The ugly: trying to get away from the guy at mile 11 who was retelling the account of his friend's eyewitness report of Rwanda.  Machete count.... I don't want to know!!!

Burning questions:  Does a hilly, tough, 2:02 half-m mean I have a shot at my 4:05 BQ in May (on flat)?  Should I be worried that I actually faded at mile 10, despite my 50 mpw and hilly terrain running?  Did I have a "bad day," but it doesn't show as much because I am just so.... (stop laughing!)?  Did the 5K I raced last weekend have a lingering effect on me today?  If I loved, loved loved these shoes at 13 miles, will they be ok for a full 26.2?  If my calves are hurting already (usually there is at least 24 hours delay), does that mean the shoes aren't ok for distance, or was it just the hills?  

Best thought of the day:  I was about 2 minutes faster today than I was on my half in January, on a harder course!  Thanks everyone, for encouraging me along!!! 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 15.10
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:11:50 from 71.210.116.151

Hi Sno -- congrats on the PR!

May is two months away, I think you definately still have a shot at a BQ - yes, you still have some residual effects from the hilly 5K PR last weekend, you essentially trained-through this race. I would resist the temptation (at least it would be my temptation) to run too hard to "ensure" the BQ in the upcoming months -- think long term committment here. I think you did outstanding! I don't think you really "died" at mile 10, I think the hills just wore you down a bit, I think the last mile should be pretty encouraging - you still had enough to finish strong. Hilly courses are hard ... you can't get into a 'groove' and any mistiming of pace can really cost later when the hills are at the end.

From Kelli on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:20:14 from 71.219.76.202

I LOVE LOVE LOVE reading your race reports (well, actually just your regular running reports, too!) YOU DID AWESOME!!!! I agree with Bonnie, you totally have a chance at the BQ. A hilly course does not compare to a flat course in any way, shape, or form! You think the hills are not getting to you, but they are!

"Mile 10, the dark times. Here is where one of my great character flaws comes in. When I get to a certain level of tiredness, I have a hard time caring. Goals are reevaluated. Not walking becomes a great virtue. Mile 11, I rallied, as you can see. Mile 12, I had the school spirit but no pom-poms. Did my best."

I love that. I may have to use it as my quote of the day (if you do not mind!!!) That just sums up what I KNOW EVERY runner goes through at some point or another. And, man, when you say you rallied, you rallied! You were able to get past the runners funk and get yourself going again. That is so cool!

Best of luck to you in the next 2 months of training! You will do GREAT!

From Little Bad Legs on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:21:24 from 68.186.96.165

I don't have any answers to your burning questions, but I'm sure today's race will only help you as you prepare for Eugene in May. Good luck with the final 6 weeks of preparations.

From JD on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:22:27 from 166.128.6.226

Congratulations! A great half marathon, PR on a tough course, and you're training through this race on your way to a BQ in May. Looks like you're right on track!

From marion on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 18:03:34 from 71.213.116.115

That is an EXCELLENT race. Those tough hills are what make us WONDER WOMEN!!! You are one tough cookie and keep well and that BQ can be your :D WAY TO GO!!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 18:59:38 from 198.241.217.15

Great job, Snoqualmie! Way to PR!

That really does sound like a tough course, particularly the start area. And weaving through people is the pits.

I think it should be illegal to end a race with an up hill. Just my two cents.

You've definately got a shot at a BQ in May.

I loved the "school spirit but no pom poms" line. You really write great race/training reports. You have such detailed descriptions of the race.

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:14:08 from 71.219.123.68

Sno! you did a great job! You beat my time at Moab. You were faster from last year... I wish I could say the same, I was about 5 minutes slower. I can relate to the not walking being a virture, I was happy that I only walked when I got water at the aid stations. The aid stations were a mad house, I could have probably been a minutes or two faster if I had worn a water belt.

From april27 on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:42:58 from 99.188.251.180

I love reading your posts..you are too funny! stop over thinking! You can totally make Boston! This was a hilly course! an you PR'ed (is that a word? LOL) I would have died...I really think your calf pain is from the hills

just use your stick and roll out that soreness! You rock my socks off!

From april27 on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:43:36 from 99.188.251.180

did i miss it? or did you run the first two easy runs right before the race?

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:28:09 from 67.171.56.164

Hey, everyone! What a long day it's been. Finally getting around to reading everyone's comments, which is such a treat! (Don't you guys just love it too?)

Bonnie- Now that you are my personal coach (whether you like it or not, lol) I'm very pleased to get your take on the race. There were many times in the race when I thought of things you've written, like "go by feel, don't look at the watch too much." Very helpful. I never heard that phrase "trained through" before.

Kelli- Quote away! I'm honored.

Lori- I'm going over to read your report next! I hope you're not disappointed; you know you've had a hard year and I've had the best year of my running yet.

Carolyn- yes, illegal, punishable by porta potty incarceration?

April- Yes, I did a 2 mile warm up.

Everybody- Thanks for reading, commenting, and putting up with my long winded reports. Cheers!

From Kelli on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:33:09 from 71.219.76.202

Never quit with the longwindedness-I learn so much from you!!!!

Maybe I need to hire Bonnie to be my trainer since I seem to be the only one who did not race smart this weekend?!? She seems to have given the rest of you running geniuses great advice.

I am excited to see how the marathon goes for you, and everything leading up to it! You are truly amazing and inspiring, keep it up! And here is to hoping you get some beautiful spring weather for the rest of your training!

From jefferey on Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 23:54:46 from 67.171.56.220

Sweet!! A PR is a PR- especially on a tough course like that. Great job!

From Dale on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:42:35 from 69.10.215.11

Belated congrats on a well run race. Aren't those hilly ones fun? You did very well and have a really good shot at your BQ goal, given the right weather and the right day on a flat course. You *can* do it!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:56:16 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Dale! I thought of you this morning (Monday)... you're the first one who told me that my post-race, "active recovery" runs were a good idea. That's why I can feel good about a slug-slow run this morning. :)

From azdesertmonsoon on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:19:01 from 63.228.146.159

I just want to echo the comments that you write a quality blog. I look forward to seeing you BQ in may.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 17:04:24 from 64.81.245.109

I think for you doubling that in a marathon is very possible. The main enemies would be being out of fuel, and the resulting panic, getting discouraged because your pace has dropped.

My feeling is that you might have the "impossible to close strong" condition. For some reasons, probably of neuromuscular nature, the only way you can run a negative split would be to start out at a pace significantly below your potential. If that is the case, your performance is maximized when you make proper use of fresh legs and buy yourself a cushion in the first half without going overboard.

So the approach I would recommend is to go out at 8:50 pace and run it until it starts feeling hard. Then slow down to 9:00 pace. Try to get to mile 20 with no miles slower than 9:00. Then you can play the game of holding off the BQ girl. Pretend she is running after you with a knife. but the finish chute saves you. If you keep your last 6 miles under 10:36, she won't catch you. For every mile under 10:36, your cushion becomes puffier.

Probably from 20 to 22 you will still be sub-10:00. So that is another minute to your cushion. Then from 22 to 24 do not walk for any reason, just keep running no matter what, that will be the hardest part mentally. If you succeed then from 24 to 26 you will have a reason to run your best because BQ will be very attainable.

With that approach, your training should focus on learning to run 8:50 pace most economically. So the bulk of the long runs should happen at that pace, adjusted for the terrain and the conditions. Once you've found the rhythm visualize driving a car that is low on fuel but you need to get somewhere under a time constraint and drive yourself like you would drive the car. No accelerations, easy on hills. Try to relax. Act like a victim of famine that does not know when he is going to eat next except with the constraint the pace must be 8:50.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 17:19:41 from 64.81.245.109

Regarding fading at mile 10. I believe your fading happens for neuromuscular reasons, not due to the lack of aerobic endurance. Hills make it worse, because they spike the neuromuscular load and put you in the neurological red zone. So while most people running right next to you are out of breath, you cannot go any faster because your brain has reached its limit in ability to recruit your muscles. You may feel like your legs are not strong enough, or you may just feel like you have no clue why you cannot speed up.

This type of problem cannot be fixed by running a lot of miles on a hilly terrain. In fact, this can make it worse for a runner that is aerobically fit. His aerobic fitness does not allow him to notice the accumulating neurological fatigue.

I have had a measure of success dealing with this problem using short explosive sprints 3-5 seconds in duration, trying to reach the maximum possible speed.

From Kelli on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 18:19:58 from 71.219.76.202

I so love the BQ girl chasing you with a knife!!!! That cracked me up. Thanks for letting me lurk and read Sasha's advice, it so always so insightful (but not always so darn funny)!

From snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 21:59:51 from 67.171.56.164

Thank you for your comments Sasha. The imagery is so useful, and I do well with that sort of mental exercise.

I do not understand why a positive split will work better than a negative split. My PR (4:17) in 2007 was a negative split, it's true. I did hold on to 8:50's until around mile 18, and then I came apart completely. So I got my best time there, but I always wonder whether I could have run smarter, and therefore faster. I had the "death march" that day. I still wonder if I could have run 9:15's instead, and not have fallen apart.

I hope that "impossible to close strong" is a temporary situation, which will abate as I progress. Have you found it to be a permanent condition in runners you know? Yikes!

Why will running a lot of miles in hills not help the neuromuscular response? If a runner's aerobic fitness does not allow him to "notice" the accumulating fatique, will his body not adapt nonetheless over time?

I also have a question about your last comment, regarding 3-5 second explosive sprints. What is the context of these sprints? During long runs? During the race itself?

I'm sorry to bother you with so many questions, but I want to thoroughly understand your advice. Thanks again!

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 13:07:44 from 192.168.1.1

I have quite a bit of experience with the "Impossible to close strong" condition. I've run 45 marathons. The best ones were a positive split by about 3 minutes adjusted for the terrain. I've tried various methods to try to fix it. I practice closing strong in most of my long runs, but to no avail. I still race best when I use my legs while they're fresh, and then hang on once they get tired. Maybe we should call it the rotten banana problem. Eat your bananas before they go bad.

This condition is actually not that uncommon. You see guys running under 2:10 with a 3 minute positive split quite often.

When you run, your neuromuscular system does the job of running while your aerobic and fuel systems are only acting as support. Most runners cannot go faster because they lack the support. But some cannot run faster because they do not have enough fighter jets and bombers - their brain is not able to recruit their muscles adequately, or the muscles are just weak in and of themselves.

I am inclined to think that regardless of the level you are performing at the underlying cause of "cannot close strong" is aerobic and fuel systems being developed better than neuromuscular. Your nervous system has its limits. It can only fire so hard, and only for so long. If there is not enough oxygen, it stops firing. If there is not enough glycogen, it stops firing as well. But if you gave it infinite supplies of oxygen and glycogen, it still has a limit of its own. Most recreational runners will not reach that limit because their aerobic conditioning lacks severely. Elites reach it more often, but many still don't. I think the cut-off to a great extent is negative splitter vs positive splitter. Negative splitter is limited aerobically or fuel-wise, positive splitter that can only PR with a positive split is limited neuromuscularly.

On the other hand, a runner with a weak nervous system can reach it off a very modest aerobic conditioning.

The reason mileage does not fix it. Mileage improves aerobic fitness and fuel storage. It does only a little bit for the nervous system. Mostly it helps you optimize your movements and avoid waste. But past a certain point it does not give you a stronger neurological signal or the ability to sustain that signal for a long time. It only increases the supply of fuel and ammunition, but does not give you extra fighter jets or bombers. Once you have enough for your fleet, more does not increase your fighting capability.

So to address the problem we need to do something different. This is still a very new area of research, I have not seen it discussed very much in scientific literature. Everything is very experimental. They do know that muscle recruitment ability can be trained by recruiting as many fibers as you can at once, or in other words a short burst of maximum effort. How many times, exactly for how long, how much rest, how many times a week - I think it is very individual. A strong nervous system could handle more often than a weak one.

It would have to be bursts of maximum speed, though. In your case, I would recommend keeping them very short, and not very frequent. Maybe do it twice a week 4 times during your easy run resting in between until you feel excited about doing it again. Preferably up a hill. About 3-5 seconds, ease off and coast to a jog as soon as you start feeling you cannot go any faster, do not hold the top speed for more than a second or two. You know you are doing it right if your tempo runs start getting faster with no other change in training, and your legs start feeling like they have more spring in them. If your legs are sore, the tempo runs get slower at the same effort, you have a hard time going to sleep, you feel irritated during the day, then you are doing too much.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 14:44:09 from 67.171.56.164

FASCINATING!! Thank you so much for taking the time to write this all out!

Many things you said ring true to me. I have always felt uneasy when people told me I faded in marathons due to running out of fuel. That is such a common perception! But I never felt like fuel was my problem, though I had no proof.

One last quick question if you don't mind. Is this issue related to Matt Fitzgerald's work? I don't have his book (http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Training-Runners-Revolutionary-andResults/dp/0451222326) but I skimmed it from the library once.

Thanks again Sasha! Very interesting!

From nicole on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 18:13:55 from 99.204.85.182

first of all, WAY TO GO!! you did great in this race, and just think, you still have 2 more months to get even more dominant before eugene.

second, this is all really fascinating, is all of this great info and advice given located in articles or something somewhere on the blog? because this is really helpful info!

last, maybe you could recruit someone to run behind you with a knife? :-)

From Mark on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 23:28:57 from 97.96.157.13

Congrats on the PR! I get these types of doubts all the time, and then sometimes I get those days when I wonder why I ever doubted yourself. I think you definitely have a chance at getting that BQ. It's certainly not a given, but what fun would racing be if you knew the outcome beforehand :) Best of luck!

Sasha, that is a fascinating write-up.

From kelsey on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 15:10:08 from 128.186.154.139

Congrats on a great run! And thanks, I think we all learned a little in Sasha's write up.

I agree with Sasha's race day approach. For my marathon I needed to run 8:23 miles to qualify for Boston. So I ran 8:10s as long as I comfortably could, and counted all that as "time in the bank." I think I started using my piggy bank around mile 16, and just kept track of the time I had left. I'm gross and do a ton of math while I am running though, haha. For this approach I definitely recommend buying a pace tat for the big day, to do some of the thinking for you.

Good luck with your training and thanks for being our guinea pig :)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 18:08:41 from 67.171.56.164

Hey Kelsey - that's why you'll be such a great hurricane specialist - isn't that what you study? Constant recalculation of the variables... I like math too and have been accused on this very blog of "overthinking." hahahaha No, they're right. I need my brain to shut up sometimes. :)

I think Sasha should write this up to submit for publication in Marathon & Beyond. Unlike Runners' World, M&B actually prints ideas that wouldn't make it through the Conformity And Political Correctness Test. How about it, Sasha?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.320.000.000.005.32

Objective: recovery. Oh so slow.

5:20 AM: 37F, wind 10-15 mph, dry.

Survey of body parts below the waist: ain't nobody happy.  Loudest complainer: the calves, which are so sore that they actually woke me up at night a couple of times when I moved my legs. I might have to carry the Stick around with me all day today.

So I guess I'll be changing my blog title now.  I had a little bit of dim daylight towards the end of my run and the birds are singing.  I didn't realize how much I missed that. I ran well through the winter and my reward is to know, now and forever, that I can do it.

I wanted to share a little mental trick upon which I stumbled yesterday, but the race report was getting so long that I left it out.  But I think it could be useful to others and I certainly will be using it again.  You know how so much of distance racing is a mental game, battling self doubts and uncomfortable periods of running? Well, this is something that bolstered my psyche more than once yesterday. I don't know how I thought to do it, but I suspect there is a tiny place in my brain called The Department of Cheerful Thought.  Ok, so this is what I started telling myself: "I am actually an 8:30 pace marathoner. I'm holding back right now. I could be running about 30-60 seconds faster if I wanted to.  I just feel like taking it easy.  8:30 is my normal pace."  In fact, 8:30 is more like my 5K pace, but pretending somehow made the true pace feel easier, even though I knew quite well it was a hoax. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.32
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:18:27 from 76.27.89.110

I like your mental trick. You say that it was a hoax, but maybe it's actually true and you just don't know it yet.

I hope your lower extremities get feeling better. I got The Stick on Saturday evening as an early birthday present and I'll be using it to day on my left hammy.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:19:31 from 76.27.89.110

I like the new blog title too. You are very courageous.

From JD on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:46:41 from 64.65.159.206

Aaannd...you're back out today, just like nothing happened yesterday! You're a machine, a courageous running animal!

I like the mental trick, I'll give a try on Sunday's long run.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53:14 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn, you know I think you're right in a way. If I had picked a ridiculous number, like 7:00 or 6:30, the trick would not have worked. I may be delusional, but I think deep down inside I do have an 8:30 marathon pace in me. I'm irrationally optimistic that way. Like I still believe I can get down to 110 pounds. Really, I do. With no evidence! lol

From Dale on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:05:28 from 69.10.215.11

Here's an idea of how hilly HMs compared for me with flatter HMs:

Feb 08 - 1:26. Mild hills (& 1 small monster).

Apr 08 - 1:28. Hilly

Jun 08 - 1:36. Hilly and hot.

So hills definitely slow your time potential. The Feb-to-Apr comparison is even a bit deceiving, since in Apr I was only 1 month out from my goal marathon and in much better shape, even doing a short taper for the HM. The Feb race was a spur-of-the-moment-no-taper race.

Moral of this story? Hills suck the life from your legs and the time from the clock, so your 2:02 is certainly worth a sub-2 and probably more like a 1:56 or 1:57, depending on how much you were held back in the early going by the crowds. Seems like you need a bit of luck with the weather in Eugene, stay healthy, taper, fuel and hydrate well, and just gotta believe! I think you can make it.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:09:17 from 67.171.56.164

Good thoughts, Dale! Thanks so much for your input.

From Dale on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:31:41 from 69.10.215.11

It makes a lot more sense with the corrected times....Jun 08 was a 1:36, not 1:26. The moral is the same though.....hills hurt no matter how much prep you do, so expect your flat times to be faster.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.860.000.000.004.86

Objective: recovery

5:30 AM: 39F,  light rain at times. 

20 min. abs, upper body, stretching, and massage.

I am the kind of person who gets Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness, so I wasn't surprised to find myself getting more stiff and sore throughout the day yesterday.  By noon, my quads had joined the mutinous calf muscles and by evening, after seeing me hobble around, my family was making comments like, "But it was only a half!!"  YYYep. 

So, I resigned myself to a sort of "hair of the dog that bit you" workout this morning.  I wasn't sure I'd be able to run at all, and overdressed a bit in case walking might be all I could manage.  A walk wouldn't have been a whole lot slower than the thing I was doing.  I won't call it "running."  But, velocity was not the point, was it?  I really hope I get my legs back in the next couple of days. I've got work to do! 

I am still in a quandary over the shoes.  I know I busted myself on the hills Sunday, but I also believe that my beloved ST3's make my feet (and hence, my calves) work harder.  Is it too much for 26.2?  Should I wear them on my long runs for further testing? Or is it foolish for someone at my fitness level to consider wearing racing shoes for a full marathon?   The Triax 12 shoes have worked well for me in the past; maybe I should just stick with those?  Any ideas/input welcome!

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 4.86
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:57:35 from 76.27.89.110

I'm sure that delayed onset muscle soreness will go away soon and you'll be back running long in no time.

I'm afraid I can't give you advice on shoes. I'm a complete novice in that department.

From JD on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:09:51 from 64.65.159.206

I get the DOMS also. Tuesday runs are usually drudgery for me after the usual Sunday effort. Mondays I feel great and give in to the temptation to run more/harder than I should, so Tuesday is a day of reckoning for me.

When's your next marathon?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:14:51 from 67.171.56.164

Eugene, May 3. http://www.eugenemarathon.com/the-races/marathon/

:)

From Bonnie on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:53:11 from 71.210.116.151

Hi Sno, personally, I find that true "racing flats" hurt my calves too much for anything longer than 10K. I don't bother with them anymore and just stick to my tried and true favorites (Asics DS trainers, Mizuno Nexus and Nike Free's for my shorter afternoon runs on grass or dirt).

Good job on the recovery - I have DOMS really bad too, I used to used ice baths - but you have to do that immediately after a hard run -- once DOMS sets in I have found warm epsom salts baths really help (but drink lots of water it can dehydrate you).

Happy running!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 21:48:29 from 71.219.123.68

Nice run today... wish I could help out on the shoes, but I never really seem to be too happy with them, lately I have been in Pearl Isumi... like them but I don't get enough miles on them before they wear out.

From april27 on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 14:28:34 from 99.188.251.180

I hate shoes! I would stick with what works! If it isn't broke don't fix it!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.450.000.000.005.45

Objective: recovery, still - ug

5:20 AM:   33F, wet snow mixed w/ rain coming down, white blanket on yards, plants, cars, & slush on streets and sidewalks.  Bright side: no wind.

How surprising, to wake up to  a white world when our forecast called for 38F and raining.  I don't know who told Winter he could have a curtain call. 

My legs feel better today, though they are still sore.  It's nice to see them getting better rather than worse (as happened between Monday and Tuesday).  Mentally, I am really ready to get back to my normal mileage and routine so it's a bit frustrating to have to wait for the lower-body-part gang to catch up. 

I decided on another blog title that I like even more.  It's a bit more positive, and sums up where my head is at right now.  Of course, I"m old enough to be Deena's mother and have none of her inborn talent, but her passion for running and her intelligence are part of my ideal goals.  Some favorite Deena moments:

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/speaker/2-deena-kastor/208-choices

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/speaker/2-deena-kastor/63-140-miles-a-week (Favorite quote: "People talk about overtraining. For most people it's not a question of overtraining, but of under-resting..."  (I love sleep!))

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/speaker/2-deena-kastor/13405-deena-kastor

http://www.deenakastor.com/

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.45
Comments
From JD on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:15:02 from 64.65.159.206

Glad the legs are going the right direction today.

We're experiencing some Winter like weather here as well...but, it IS Spring so I'll just ignore the cold rain and snow.

Hopefully we've all got a little Deena in us to help along the way!

Have a good day.

From jefferey on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:35:19 from 67.171.56.220

In the words of the youth today...the weather this morning was sick-nasty. Can't believe I'm doing longer runs than you. Course that will change once your legs are back under you.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 13:06:19 from 207.225.192.66

Winter has decided to make another go of it here also... I'm so ready for the white stuff to go. Not ready for it to heat up though. Guess you can't have one without the other. Glad you are feeling better today, wonder why it seems to take our bodies longer then our minds to get on board.

Love the new blog title... I have been trying to think of a new one... really need something different.

From Kelli on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 13:39:56 from 71.219.100.181

I love the new blog title! How funny that we woke up to a world of snow as well, but I am thankful that the roads were dry for the most part.

Your lower body will catch up soon, maybe another day or so! And I love the advice Sasha has been giving you, it is very interesting. Maybe I could get him to figure out why I always (aside from last weekend) run a VERY negative split?!?

Have a good rest of the week!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 13:56:02 from 75.169.166.13

I'm glad you're feeling better. You'll be back to normal in no time now.

I agree that the advice from Sasha is interesting. He's telling you the same kind of stuff he's told me this week, but in more detail. It's nice to have it written down.

I've missed out on the snow somehow. I did have to drive in the rain today.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 14:46:23 from 67.171.56.164

Anyone else wanting to read Sasha's generous posts, they are on my Sunday entry (3/22). Lots of food for thought.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.860.000.000.007.86

Objective: easy

5:05 AM:  34F, clear and starry, wind 10-15 mph, a bit of black ice where water remains from yesterday.

15 min. abs, upper body, and stretch-n-Stick

A very pleasant run.  My legs feel much better, though still a little "dead."  But I got my pace below 11:00 for the first time since the race, and even went down to 9:30 when I lost track of time and had to rush the last 1.5 miles.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.86
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:42:16 from 67.161.244.154

Yeah! You're recovering! I'm glad you had a pleasant run. You deserve it.

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:45:23 from 72.224.24.41

Nice 1/2 earlier in the week, Sno. Sorry I missed it. I have been swamped with work/workshops/school. EEK! I really should take a lesson from you and do more ab work. I think you have inspired me to go attempt 100 crunches!!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:49:42 from 67.171.56.164

I hope you're joking, HC. No extremes! "Everything in moderation." lol Have a little chocolate.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:11:02 from 207.225.192.66

Good to see that you are back to feeling good, it just shows what great shape you are in when you can recover quickly from a race. recovery seems to take longer as I'm getting older. Maybe nature's way of telling us to have moderation like you said.

From JD on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:03:38 from 64.65.159.206

34 degrees and clear sounds like pretty good conditions for you...but 5:05 AM? Whew!

I wonder how far we'd run if we had the luxury of losing track of time every time we ran.

From april27 on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 14:29:46 from 99.188.251.180

abs?? I definately need to do more of that! I"m such a slacker! I'm glad you are back on your feet with your runs!

From Bonnie on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 15:24:36 from 128.196.228.134

I am glad you felt good today - ahhh starry mornings (I hate mornings no matter how pleasant ;-) ).

Have a good day!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.620.000.000.007.62

Long ago, this morning, I had a very nice run.  When I arrived home, I found my husband seriously ill and we all piled in the car to the ER.  Serious, but not life threatening, and he will be ok.  I'll just say that it is really, really hard to watch someone you love writhing in pain.  We got home from the hospital around 6:30 PM. It's been a long day.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.62
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 22:25:25 from 76.27.89.110

I thought about you today and wondered what was going on since we hadn't heard from you. I'm so sorry to hear that your husband has been sick. I hope he gets feeling better soon. I am assuming that he came home from the hospital with you since you said "we."

I'm glad you got your very nice run in early this morning. And I hope you get a nice rest and take a day off tomorrow after your rough day today.

From JD on Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 22:34:26 from 166.128.149.32

Scary. Glad to hear he's allright.

Have a good weekend.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 23:25:55 from 71.219.125.228

That is scary... I hope he gets feeling better soon.

From april27 on Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 01:18:17 from 99.188.251.180

Glad to you are all home now! ERS stink...and I use to work in one! Take a break tomorrow and relax..

From snoqualmie on Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 09:41:47 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn- No, he spent the night. "We" is my DD and I. When I got home from my run and realized what was happening, I woke her up and told her to get dressed and pack certain school books (homeschooler), her knitting, and anything else she might want in case we were not coming back home soon. That just gave me enough time to put on some clean clothes myself and feed the cats. We are going to go back to the hospital this morning, hopefully to bring him home. I talked to his mother on the phone last night -- she is a nurse -- and she agreed with the other professionals who do not see any reason he should have to stay in the hospital longer. The last problem he had to overcome was the side effects of some narcotics they gave him for pain, so he should be ok this morning. Fingers crossed!!!

From Bonnie on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 18:33:28 from 69.247.144.84

I am so glad he is ok. I am sorry I was out of touch yesterday -- otherwise I would have been hooked on the blog. Best belated well wishes and hugs to you all.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
22.190.000.000.0022.19

Objective: endurance.

9:15 AM: 34F climbing to 42F, mostly cloudy w/ a few brief sleet showers, about an  inch of new snow on the ground (yards and trees - pavement just a little slushy)  which mostly melted by noon, a few sunbreaks and some wind in the last hour.  Traction good after the first couple of slushy miles.

A fine run, w/ spring and winter duking it out around me. Melting snow, birds singing, heather in bloom.  Having brought my Dearest home from the hospital yesterday afternoon, I felt a lightness and happpiness throughout the run.  And check out that sleep tally!  I generally prefer to run pretty early in the day, but I knew the snow was going to stop and melt around 9 or 10 so I enjoyed some extra z's. 

Bravo to all of you who raced this weekend!  We've got some pretty swift folks on the blog!

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 22.19
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 18:35:34 from 71.229.164.25

Wow. That's a long run. You are so good at the long runs. I'm glad your Dearest his home and you were able to go out for a great run.

From leslie on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 19:05:16 from 76.23.61.78

Are you as sick of the old weather as I am? That was a long run! Do you have a marathon coming up soon?

Did you get your hubby out of the hospital? I am glad he is home. Take good care of him.

Keep up your dedicated training!!!

From JD on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 19:25:21 from 166.128.181.87

You guys (or, girls, I should say) and your 22 milers! Man, your endurance is great.

Happy that DH is home and safe.

From snoqualmie on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 19:41:59 from 67.171.56.164

Leslie - Eugene Marathon, May 3. I actually like to keep my long runs up around 18-20 year round. But I'm not as awesome as it seems: I had two bathroom breaks and stopped by my house briefly to check on things. I also stop for water every 2-3 miles at the park drinking fountains. Little break. I've never done a continuous long run greater than 10 miles I think. But then again, those little breaks are my anti-injury insurance program! :D

From nicole on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 20:51:25 from 70.6.8.85

22 miles??? you dominate, that is so impressive! you are going to be so ready to tackle eugene in a few weeks. next weekend is the portland half marathon, and if it doesn't stop raining/storming every single weekend I'm going to scream! :-)

From rattletrap on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 22:19:06 from 24.19.93.139

Nice long run! It was chilly out in your neck of the woods today. I rode my motorcycle through there on my way to Monroe. BRRRRR

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 08:12:21 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Rattletrap- So nice to see another PNW'erner on the blog! I doubt we'll ever outweigh the Utah contingent, but we're definitely gaining. Yeah, it was super cold considering how many signs of spring there were.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 09:57:13 from 207.225.192.66

Wow fantastic long run!!! So glad to hear that your Dearest is home. That had to be so stressful. I love when I can get those kinds of zzzz's :)

From jefferey on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:01:17 from 71.32.80.218

I'm jealous because I only got in 16 miles last week and was supposed to do 36. Nice work!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.100.000.000.005.10

Objective: recovery / easy.

5:30AM: 36F, wind 10-15 mph, cloudy, dry.

15 min. strength wk

A little stiff this morning, but I felt pretty good all things considered.  I ran extremely slowly, even when I felt like I was moving faster. 

I have a couple of commercials I would like to deliver this morning.  The first is that I hope everyone will consider making a donation to the blog if you have never done so. I figure it is at least as valuable as a subscription to Runners World, if not more so, and I'm sure Sasha appreciates some help paying for it all. He has a lot of little mouths to feed. There is a handy "donate" button on the page.

The second commercial is for ladies only; unless you gentlemen have female runners in your life who struggle with hormonal interference, feel free to wander off and discuss basketball or barbeque methods amongst yourselves...   Back in January, my NP gave me an herbal supplement for the hot flashes I was having at the time.  It not only stopped them immediately, the supplement had some very positive effects on the monthly fluctuations in running quality I have always experienced.  It used to be that if a race or a long run fell on the wrong day of the month, I could depend on poor performance, dead legs, and a feeling of heaviness that sapped my energy.  Since I'm going through the big M, I wasn't sure at first whether this supplement had "evened out" my running during the month, or if I was just closing shop so to speak.  But I now feel there is a definite benefit, having tested it for the past 3 months.  I take this supplement every day and increase the amount I take as soon as I feel my hormones slipping out of control.  It is called MMS Pro (brand) Women's Formula H (440 mg).  My NP said she does recommend it for PMS as well, and that some women take quite large doses if necessary, with no ill side effects.  I wish I had found it long ago, so I pass it on in the hopes that it can be helpful to others.  :)

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 5.10
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:28:12 from 71.229.164.25

Good recovery run after your big long run yesterday.

I appreciate your commercials. I agree with the first one. I'll have to check out the subject of the second one.

From rattletrap on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:52:43 from 75.216.148.92

Good job getting back out there in the cold after all those miles yesterday! I'm always tempted to just bag it and sleep in the day after my long run. I agree with you about donating to support Sasha's efforts here. FRB has made a huge difference in my training! I've made more progress in three months with FRB than I have in the previous 5 years of running on my own.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:22:58 from 207.225.192.66

Nice recovery run after the monster miles of you long run :)

Thanks for the comercials :) I struggle with the monthly peaks and valleys, not at the big M yet but edging closer. So I'm going to try this supliment... a big thanks again :)

From Kelli on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 14:59:15 from 71.219.100.181

Great run after logging massive miles. You are such a strong runner.

Thanks for the commercials, as well. Very good point on the first one! I had never really thought about it and I LOVE this blog! And thanks for the info on the second commercial. I suffer from pretty serious PMS since baby number 5 (mostly I just get nasty mean for no reason). I have also noticed how this blessed womens cycle really affects my running. My husband and I were just discussing it Saturday.

Thanks for your wealth of knowledge and info.

From kelsey on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 15:14:57 from 128.186.154.139

Speaking of commercials...

When I am running and huffing and puffing and getting all dirty on hilly trails, I always imagine a good commercial for something like women's running clothes could be videos of us girls doing what we do (snot rockets and all) to the tune of "Daddy's Little Girl." The song would be playing all sweetly in the background and there she is, running through mud and dripping with sweat. Maybe it exists and that's where I got the idea, but I like to think I made it up :)

Sorry, way off topic.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 17:51:55 from 67.171.56.164

I love it!! That's a great thought, Kelsey. I think you did make it up, but have you ever read "Marathon Woman?" She talks about how hard it was for women's running to get off the ground because it wasn't "pretty." It is a *great* book!! Another commercial!

From leslie on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 18:09:08 from 76.23.61.78

This is great ladies! Thanks Sno for the first commercial, I never thought of it either and it is my life line. How many women my age run? Lots on the blog, I love it!

I am going to check out the supplements, you are singing my song, the big M has kicked me hard. Maybe I could blame that on my sorry slow pace!

Next trail run I will play " Daddy's Little Girl" on my ipod! That made me laugh! So true!

From JD on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 18:55:03 from 64.65.159.206

Good run Snoqualmie.

Yeah, Sasha must put in a lot of time and energy to this blog, as well as some capital expense. Sure it's a labor of love, but it feels good to give, and every little bit helps.

Just for the record, I'm not a basketball fan, my wife on the other hand, is a fanatic when it comes to the Utah Jazz. She even went on a "date" with Kyle Corver(SP).

From snoqualmie on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 21:37:32 from 67.171.56.164

But who does the bbq'ing?

My DH doesn't follow basketball, or bbq either actually. But I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to hear about hormones. lol

From edrickt on Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 22:21:08 from 64.2.220.135

I had to check out your blog because you're nearly at the top of the mileage board. Congratulations! And I second the commercial about donating to the blog. Can't comment on your second commercial. Does you NP have anything that restores hair? I thought running more miles might do it but no luck so far.

What does "DH" stand for? If the "H" stands for husband, then the "D" could be some form of profanity or it could just be "designated" as in this is the one I use for ____ as opposed to the other one I use for _____. Just confused by woman speak, I guess.

From nicole on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 18:24:18 from 24.17.114.112

Thanks for the commercials! The 2nd came at the exact right time - as I am curled on the sofa feeling dead but still able to eat some chocolate. How convenient! :-) I'll have to check that out.

And edrickt - I think its Doting!

From edrickt on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 18:59:58 from 64.2.220.135

I am such a fool and non-believer in humankind! "Doting"! Of course! It didn't come to mind, I'm sure, because I've never given my wife a reason to use the term. Dang! Such a doof!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:10:49 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Edrickt, I've looked at your blog a time or two as well. DH is dear husband. There is also DD, DS, DW for all the other immediate family relations. I should probably stop using it if people don't know who I'm talking about. Not sure when I got into that habit.

From edrickt on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:12:42 from 64.2.220.135

I just want to stay up-to-date on the jargon. I don't want to be that guy holding the hose in the front yard telling kids to get off my lawn... if you know what I mean. And leave it to me to think of it as something negative. Sheesh!

PS. Don't stop using it. It's swell, er,.. cool.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.980.000.000.004.98

 A little pre-blogging... it looks like I will have an opportunity to go skiing tomorrow (Tuesday).  It is the end of March, and I have not been skiing even once yet this year.  Amazing. There was a time in my life (before DD) when I skied every weekend in all conditions. Perhaps I'll get more snow time next year, once I've conquered some running goals, but I'm so pleased about my running this winter that I cannot complain.  And this might be the last ski day as well...

Foiled again. We were about 5 miles from the summit (Stevens Pass) when we found ourselves in a line of stopped cars. Avalanche control. When the avalanche danger is high, they stop all traffic and shoot dynamite off the sides of the highway. Then they have to clear the snow.  After we had sat there for about 40 minutes, I got out and hiked up to where I saw a patrol car had stopped earlier, to ask the people standing around there if they had any news. The pass wasn't expected to open until 1 PM, and the ski area closes at 4 on weekdays this time of year.  So we turned around, came down the mountain, had Mexican for lunch, and stopped at the Reptile Zoo (after all, we had a free day and no place to go). Saw a two headed turtle and a ton of scary animals.

We were home by 3:30 PM, so I decided to get a few miles in.  Low 40's, rainy, breezy.  I like morning runs better. For some reason I always seem to have invisible sand bags strapped to my legs in the afternoon. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.98
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:00:36 from 207.225.192.66

Have a fun day skiing!! Sounds like a blast!

From leslie on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 14:56:16 from 76.23.61.78

Skiing will be a nice cross training day for you, have a great time!

I think it was you that mentioned a book about eating, if it was you what was the title of the book? I need a fresh approach to healthy eating and a different attitude.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 17:18:58 from 198.241.156.7

I hope you're having a great time skiing! You deserver a day of fun.

From JD on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:12:30 from 32.176.27.65

Wow what a day! They close a couple of canyons regularly around here throughout the Winter for avalanche control. Sounds like a full day though, and you got a run in.

Those invisible sandbags spend the mornings on my legs.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:17:24 from 67.171.56.164

Leslie- I think the book I mentioned was "Garden of Eating." Produce dominated diet. Even if you can stick to it 50%, you'll feel great!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:34:11 from 71.229.164.25

At least you got some Mexican food, the Reptile Zoo (eek!) and a run. A full day. What JD said.

From JD on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:36:24 from 32.176.27.65

That's what she said.

From JD on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:41:35 from 32.176.27.65

My last comment was suppossed to be a joke, but even I don't get it. Classic rookie blogger mistake.

Everybody is running great and looking strong coming into the warm season...and that's no joke.

From snoqualmie on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 20:47:01 from 67.171.56.164

You shouldn't have admitted that, JD! I just thought you were a deeper thinker and it was *me* for not getting it. lol

From Deborah on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:17:32 from 68.98.198.29

Invisible sand bags....I like that description. I've worn those a time or two myself. :)

Avalanch control? You know I've never had to think about that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.340.000.002.668.00

Objective: VO2...  ~30 min. warm up, 10 x (2 min. hard, 2 min. easy) plus an 11th rep of 3.5 min by accident (misunderstanding between me and the Garmin), cool down

5:15 AM: 36F, windy (15mph), cloudy, dry.

I have an announcement.  This was a difficult workout. Too difficult as a matter of fact. I've had it. I'm giving up running and will devote the rest of my life to the goal of eating at least one gallon of every flavor of ice cream produced on earth.    ... April fools! 

Garmins are amazing.  With all the hills and the wind, I wasn't looking at my pace during the reps but rather going by feel.  But with the Garmin, I later saw that they were all pretty much the same: about .22 to .25 miles for each 2 minute segment.  Given conditions and terrain, I think that's a pretty good pace for me, but it's the consistency that surprised me. 

So, bye-bye March. And what a fabulous month it was for me.  I am so pleased with myself it's disgusting.  I survived the time change with not too much suffering (albeit with quite a bit of whining), I raced two back to back weekends and did well on both races, and I ran about 225 miles in mostly crappy weather.  Woohoo!  Onward to April! I've got about 2.5 weeks of more hard fun work and then a 2 week taper for Eugene on May 3. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.00
Comments
From Adam RW on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:52:25 from 155.101.152.103

Don't give up so quickly on that ice cream goal. I have at least a bowl every night. I think in fact we should have a blog bowl off. Same idea as a track repeat workout but much more filling. Thanks for the comment on my blog. I think I make the weather sound worse than it is. Whenever I think we are having bad weather I just look at the bloggers in ID (jtshad) and see that it could be so much worse.

From Adam RW on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:53:35 from 155.101.152.103

By the way how old is your daughter? I have one almost 3yrs (the one on my head at the finish of the St. George marathon) and one almost 4months.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:00:58 from 67.171.56.164

My daughter is newly 12. She is totally wonderful.

"At least" a bowl???? I want your metabolism! :)

From rattletrap on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:17:54 from 70.193.135.245

You're going to do great in Eugene!

I love my garmin too. It's so cool to see mile splits on a map so I know exactly what was going on during each one.

From JD on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:36:43 from 64.65.159.206

Good workout today. Just reading about it has me winded! Congratulations on a fantastic Winter of running. Thanks for the inspiration/example. I hope maybe next Winter I can do all my running out doors (no TM).

I'm having my Garmin surgically embedded into my forearm, I love it that much.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:55:26 from 207.225.192.66

Sorry to hear that your ski day got messed up. But it looked like you had a fun day anyway.

Great workout today!!I was happy to see that I had a little of 160 miles... looking at your miles makes me think I need to step it up a bit. You are my inspiration!

From Lysa on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 13:31:49 from 76.23.52.240

funny joke, however every runner knows that once youve caught the running bug, you just cant quit it. Its such a love/hate relationship but theres no way around it...you just HAVE to keep running!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.700.000.000.007.70

Objective: easy

5:05 AM:  43F,  light rain, wind 3-7mph w/ gusts to 17

20 min. strength & stretches

I've got dead legs this morning.  Even after my warm up miles, when I felt a lot looser, I was still slug-slow.  I'm going chalk it up to my hard workout yesterday. 

It was nice to have the temps above 40. But I do wonder whether I'll have an opportunity to practice a little running in my skort before I do it on marathon day.  I'm still in tights; we old ladies get cold easily. Comon' spring!

Edited to add:  Couple of recommendations for all my blog buddies... 1) A great tune for your iPod: Michael Tomlinson, "Run Like the River Runs" - not the solo version!  2) Spring cleaning inspiration website: http://organizedhome.com/

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.70
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 12:09:58 from 198.241.217.15

You're going to wear a skort, eh? I've thought about it, but I stick with shorts. Of course, I've been in long pants for it seems like forever, except for that race in Moab. That was a freakishly warm day.

I need more that inspiration to get my spring cleaning done, like about 50 hours in the day.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 12:57:26 from 67.171.56.164

I hear you. Sometimes it feels like I do more thinking about cleaning than the actual deed. As for shorts, I have given enough of my blood to that particular type of garment (chafing). As soon as we crest 50 degrees, I can consider wearing my favorites again: http://www.skirtgoddess.com/products/commitment

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 13:01:09 from 198.241.217.15

So you chafe less with the skort than with shorts? Is it because of the fitted compression shorts underneath, or the fabric?

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 13:18:06 from 207.225.192.66

Hmmm I might have to try the skort. I'm a terrible chafer.

Great ideas on the spring cleaning... just wish I felt more like doing it. I'll have to look for that song, I'm always looking for good music to run with.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 17:08:53 from 67.171.56.164

Yes, shorts chafe me terribly. The skort has cured that. But I still have to use little pieces of flannel in certain other (ahem) garments to keep my skin from getting chewed up. I chafe SO easily. And it might be exacerbated by the wet climate. Rainy runs are worse than dry ones.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 17:11:39 from 67.171.56.164

I should add that the compression shorts in the skort are the key. Why not just wear bicycle shorts? (Gentlemen, please go away for a moment.) Camel toe. Google it. The skort I linked there is really cute (mental boost!) and has the most wonderful pockets.

From JD on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 17:14:37 from 64.65.159.206

Good run today. Sounds like almost ideal weather if not for the wind.

I have to Spring clean year round just to keep up.

And the chafing, I just won't go there.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 17:49:51 from 198.241.156.7

Chafing: 'nuf said.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.210.000.000.006.21

Objective: just miles, and try to have some fun...

5:15 AM: 33F, snowing hard, 1-3 inches on ground during run, light breeze 3-7 mph.

15 min strength & stretches after

"What the? Oh surely not." Those were my words when I looked out the window this morning.  Even the Cat Who Must Be Obeyed was hesitant to go through the door.  I know it hadn't been snowing in the night, because I got up a couple of times and it was just foggy and wet looking.  Maybe the anticipation of our forecast for 50's this weekend made it so unbelievable.

Ah well, I do live in the mountains and it's been a pretty hard winter. To wit, my husband informed me last night that our March weather was the coldest in 33 years!  I found that rather comforting, actually.  It did seem overly harsh to me, but this is only our 4th winter in this house and I thought perhaps my benchmark for a "normal winter" had been erroneous.  I love believing that next March will be much warmer! :D

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.21
Comments
From jefferey on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:05:12 from 67.171.56.220

Old man winter is still ticked off about you beating him down...What the...is what I said when looking out the window this morning too.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:43:58 from 207.225.192.66

Sorry to hear that you are still getting snow... we are here but it is usually melted before I run. Also lately it's been more rain then snow. Good to see that you still got out. All we can do is hope spring will start showing up soon!

From Deborah on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 13:15:38 from 68.98.198.29

Well cograts for making it out and putting in your miles....snow....brrrr.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 14:41:54 from 198.241.217.15

You are still beating Old Man Winter. It's taking a lot to beat him into submission.

I haven't run in more than about an inch of snow. We may have more than that tomorrow morning and I'll have to decide what to do.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 15:07:11 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - If you have the gear to keep comfortable (gaiter, wool, etc.), I think the main difficulty is the soft surface. If you've ever run in sand, it's a lot like that. For a brief moment I ran under some trees where the snow hadn't built up and it was like I shot forward! My pace otherwise was in the 12's. :( I like my Yaktrax, but they are not absolutely necessary. Also, protect around your ankles where deep snow can enter your shoes by putting on some kind of cuff; you can use a thick, old sock and cut off the foot part. I like a cap and gaiter if it's still falling, and I have a fleece balaclava I sometimes wear too. It's actually very pleasant if you don't mind going slowly. Good luck!

From nicole on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 16:16:05 from 70.0.60.8

the winter is NEVER-ENDING!!! good job getting out there in it. its been incredibly harsh even in my low-lying neck of the woods. BUT I just weather.commed portland this weekend and it said 70!!!! (I'll believe it when I feel it...!

From JD on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 16:54:58 from 64.65.159.206

I hope you met your objective for the run today and had fun. Winter has to go away, doesn't it?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 18:20:43 from 198.241.156.7

I have the gear to keep warm. It's deep snow that worries me. When I was at the running store buying shoes the other day, I noticed that they carry Yaktrax. Maybe I should go buy them on my way home from work tonight.

From MarcieJ on Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 11:48:37 from 74.211.1.247

Thanks for the comment! Sorry about the weather, yesterday I ran in shorts and tee and today my winter gear. Nothing like your weather though!! Great job running even when the weather is bad!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.8010.000.000.0017.80

Objective: marathon pace practice -- 4 mi easy, 10 mi MP, remainder easy.

8:15 AM  50F and climbing, mostly sunny, very windy (14-21 mph w/ gusts 35).

I knew there would be sunshine and I knew there would be warmth. I did not expect that wind.  Our "hurricane season" is supposed to go from October to March, but I guess that's just a guideline... 

Maybe it was the wind, but this run was so difficult.  And thus the door to Doubt creaks open.  Why oh why haven't I run more MP miles this winter? How can I possibly maintain that pace for 26.2 miles if just 10 wiped me out?  ... All the usual shadowy ruminations I have experienced many times before. 

In a way, it's good to doubt.  I don't think I run well when I feel I have to reach a certain goal. That was the main thing I learned at Portland last October, when I was so nervous I destroyed my own race.  Doubt is good when it enables me to let go of the immediate outcome without giving up on the long term certainty.  I've got to say to my BQ, "Someday we'll meet.  It's just a matter of time.  Perhaps in May, perhaps in the fall..."

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 17.80
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 15:51:02 from 71.229.164.25

I had the same thoughts after my long run on Friday. I did 10 miles at what I hope will be my marathon pace, and it nearly killed me. I have no idea how I'm going to maintain that pace for twice as long as that. And I didn't have the wind as an excuse.

Let's just both do the best we can and not worry about the rest, eh?

From Bonnie on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 15:52:28 from 71.210.121.51

Hi Sno, we have been over this before - it is amazing what the body can do with a little adrenalin. Don't psych yourself out yet. I think the idea of these runs is make yourself run MP when you are tired ... the first part of the marathon will feel easy and it is when you are getting tired that you need to be able to get into the mode you were in today. Let the pace come to you, don't chase it (that is my mantra when I am feeling tired, it keeps me relaxed and suprisingly calm).

I am cheering for you ... one of your long term goals is met, you are an inspiration to me - especially with your beating of winter this year!!

Have a good day!

From Marion on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 15:53:25 from 71.213.113.191

Great run. We need to come up with a doubt-obliterator! ;) I feel your pain. I guess we just have to remember that all this running we are doing is SUPER COOL, even if we aren't everything we want, exactly. You ran SEVENTEEN POINT EIGHT miles today. Have you forgotten that you are very likely the very COOLEST PERSON IN YOUR WHOLE TOWN??? You are most certainly the only one in your house that has ever run that far ;) (that is just a guess on my part ;) I am the first to admit the twinge of defeat/doubt at a less than perfect run, but hey, the running you do and your dedication to improving is 100% a miracle of the grandest scale. Just think of all the people we know who quit when things don't go perfectly, let alone close to right. You are one AMAZING person and your spirit is an inspiration to us all!! (...as seen in Lori's blog title ;)

From april27 on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 19:35:04 from 99.188.251.180

That's it...I'm calling Marion when I'm feeling less then perfect...

Also, I love this site b/c I feel normal b/c it is like you play the same tape in your head as the one that plays in my head. But Marion is right, ya ran 17.8 today! that is something to be very proud of!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 20:18:57 from 71.219.132.113

Nice miles today!! Sorry that it had to be in the wind. I think we all get doubt about our ability at times. It human nature, also sometimes it still seems amazing to me that I can run as many miles as I do. It dosent' seem that long ago when my goal was to be able to complete a 5K without walking.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 23:16:34 from 67.171.56.164

Wow! I've been gone all day and it is so nice to come home and read everyone's encouragement! I read everyone's words twice, to let the love "soak in." lol Thank you, dear friends!

Bonnie, you're advice has been right on so far and I appreciate it more than you can ever know. But I have to ask... what does "let the pace come to you" mean? Are you just saying to relax and not worry as much? Or is there more? I know how busy you are this week, but if there is more to that gem and you have time...

Thanks again everyone!

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 13:57:28 from 128.196.228.134

hmmm. Now I had think exactly what I mean. I think it is two-fold. First, I had a series of races that were pretty depressing to me. I think it was primarily because I was over-estimating my actual fitness/potential at that time. I would spend a lot of time worrying more about paces and less about paces that I was able to do *in order to meet the reasons for the workout* (meaning - just because I could hit 7:20 pace in my tempo run did not mean it was the actual pace that was giving me the maximum benefit, you could see this because my splits would get slower over the course of the workout, or splits were way inconsistent, and I was working way harder than I was supposed to be). My understanding, these days, is that the workouts (at least the ones that Greg has for me) are not supposed to be as hard as you can - but rather, you should always be able to say, "I could have done one more, it would have been hard but I could have done it".

So, after a couple of years I tried something new and worked on thinking about what system the workouts target (e.g., VO2max versus stamina workouts) and concentrate on how I feel during the workout. Maybe they are slower than what I had hoped - if I don't get faster over the course of the workout I know I am working as hard as I can and my fitness is what it is (sometimes, sadly not what I want -- but it is ok, if I keep plugging away I know I can get better). If I get faster over the course of the workout (or am super consistent) then I know I am in the maximal range.

Secondly, it is a way to make myself relax when I am working hard ... something about saying it just makes my body relax, which makes my stride more efficient and helps me run faster.

So - it means both things, to me, a reminder that I am in the shape I am in and I can't push it I can only keep working hard; and a way to remind myself to relax while working hard.

I think that mentally you have to work so hard sometimes that you aren't sure you can finish the workout (so you know how uncomfortable you can be while still succeeding - since this is what you do in races) -- but you also have to keep in mind that you are training and training is specific (you know since you write the purpose of your workouts everyday) - you don't want to go beyond the purpose that often (because you run the risk of injury, burnout, and subpar performance when it really matters).

Does this make sense at all or am I just babbling?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 19:16:32 from 67.171.56.164

Thank you, Bonnie! Yes, it makes sense, and it fits with some of the things you have shared with me in the past couple of months. It is incredible to me how mysteriously our thoughts and our bodies work together. And sometimes we really cannot know how it all works. Like in my recent half marathon, when I start inventing the thought (which wasn't really true) that "I'm actually a much faster runner than this..." and the pace suddenly felt easier. Another proof that we are not like cars, but so much more complex. Thanks so much for taking the time to write all that. :) Sno

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 19:21:51 from 128.196.228.134

Actually, I think you actually are faster than you think you are. Your training has been so focused on marathon training that you never really developed the pain threshold that you "learn" when you hurt badly in shorter distances (5-10K). I think if you developed that system a little you would surprise yourself how much faster you would get. Although, in my opinion, it is hard to do both (e.g., marathon training and shorter distance specific training). And you might have to break out that shiny key for a while ;-).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.540.000.000.005.54

Objective: recovery

5:15 AM:  47F, mostly clear, breezy (5-15 mph).

The bad: My legs don't feel good. Running slowly isn't as much fun.  I didn't eat as well over the weekend as I should have and I feel it.  The good: A little more daylight every morning. Saw bats. (I love bats.) I'm healthy.  If I felt really great today, it might have meant I did not do my job yesterday.

Is anyone on the blog going to run Boston this year?  Two weeks from today!  For those of us who still have some running to do before we can get there, here is the virtual Boston.  (Should I be embarrassed that I have it in my favorites and have watched it numerous times? lol) Strap your laptop to the console of your treadmill and zip through the course at 35 mph. :D

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 5.54
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:39:31 from 71.229.164.25

Daylight is coming and you are healthy. Those are great things. You should be tired today after yesterday's hard long run. You are doing your job. Keep up the good work.

I don't have the patience to watch the whole video right now (and I need to work). Maybe if I actually qualify for Boston someday and decide to run it (two different things in my mind), then I'll want to study the video. So thanks for posting the link.

From JD on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 13:14:38 from 64.65.159.206

The only bats I've seen lately are the ones swarming around in my head!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 13:51:25 from 207.225.192.66

I'm going to have to watch at least some of that video when I get home. I think about Boston alot... don't know if I will every be able to qualify or run it, but something about it sounds fantastic! I also think about the Wasatch Back 100... that is how sick my mind is LOL.

Nice run today Sno, you had a killer run yesterday too, so it is great that you are feeling good!

From JD on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 17:17:13 from 64.65.159.206

I believe there is something in the discussion forum about bloggers going to Boston. Last count was somewhere around 19 or 20?

From JD on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 17:59:54 from 64.65.159.206

Under the category "Running", titled "Boston 2009". Somebody's counted 17 bloggers going.

FRB represents in Boston!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 19:19:58 from 67.171.56.164

That's awesome. Thanks, JD. Got the bats working well for you I see.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Well, it seems insane with the sun finally shining and the air so warm, but we are making one last attempt at a ski day.  It will be spring skiing for sure (soft & wet).  My goal is to have just enough fun, but not so much that I interfere with my running for the rest of the week. lol   A little ding in my mileage this week, but if I look at the big picture it's ok: life is short and both of these sports are dear to me.  

PM update: hellooooo quadriceps! ouch.

Comments
From Metcalf Running on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:28:47 from 207.225.192.66

Here's to having a fun day Whoot whoot :) I'll be thinking of you as I look at our mountains!! Have a great time!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:48:19 from 198.241.217.15

I hope the ski trip works out for you today. Have a great time!

From april27 on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:20:10 from 99.188.251.180

have a great trip!

From Bonnie on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 14:49:43 from 71.210.121.51

Yea, enjoy the spring - you deserve it!

From JD on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 17:26:45 from 64.65.159.206

Spring Skiing! Good cross training.

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:12:59 from 67.171.56.220

That is a crack up. I'm still saying hello to some muscles after these speed workouts! Hope you had a super time!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.720.000.000.008.72

Objective: general aerobic and form focus. 3 mi easy, remainder moderate except for last 5 min easier for cool down

5:00 AM: 45F, mostly cloudy (but I did see the near-full moon set), windy in open places (10-20 mph), dry.

20 min. abs & upper body, stretches & Stick

I thought my legs would be less cooperative today after yesterday's skiing, but perhaps there will be a delayed soreness.   It was a good run.  As of Monday night, the frogs are now singing - first of the season. 

I found two muscle groups that were almost completely unprepared for skiing yesterday. No surprise, since I'm not trained for it.  The first doesn't bother me too much: quads. But the second does bother me: obliques. (The side of the core, for twisting motion.)  I am so faithful about my crunches, upper and lower, but I have neglected the sides.  The only other time I notice their weakness occurs right after the marathon, when I always find myself surprised that they are sore.  So, a bit of work there in the next few weeks!

Apropos to nothing, what are people from Utah called? Utahsians? Utahers? Utes? I've wondered for a while.  So many Ut.... whatever here on the blog, and occasionally I'd like to know the proper way to say stuff like, "We have such slushy snow here in the spring, not like the velvety, dry stuff you U-------s enjoy."

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.72
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From Metcalf Running on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:40:20 from 207.225.192.66

Sounds like you had a wonderful ski day. I'm glad that you run today was not harder then you thought... you got some good miles in.

I think we are called Utahns... Utes are the Native American tribe that used to live here, and also the Univercity of Utah's mascot. Maybe I'm wrong... I'll see what the others say.

Have you ever skiied here? I wish I had the time/money to do it more. I have never got very good at it.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:46:02 from 67.171.56.164

My husband and I had many wonderful ski vacations in Utah before our daughter was born. (That's well over 12 years now.) The first one was a spring trip, in late March and it had not snowed for 2 weeks. In Washington, no new snow for 2 weeks + March = ICE and "crud." I looked up at the slopes in Alta and just sighed. "Why did we come here?" Then I got off the chairlift. Oh. My. Goodness. I still remember that first experience of Utah snow. Unbelievable. Sorry- I digress... it's as bad as talking about Rich Desserts I Have Known.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:03:50 from 71.229.164.25

Even though I am now a Coloradan, as former Utahn, I will second what Lori said about people from Utah being Utahns, the Utes being an indian tribe that used to be there and the mascot of the University of Utah.

So did you have a good time skiing yesterday? I'm glad you're not too sore today. Are you going to be doing some twisty crunches (whatever they're called) for your obliques now. Maybe the side plank will help as well. I need to get back into doing some strength work, but I just don't have time with all this running. However, I did do 10 pushups during each of 5 different commercial breaks during The Biggest Loser last night.

From nicole on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:17:52 from 24.17.114.112

That's awesome you got to go skiing! Good for you. And thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it!

Also - did you see the latest issue of Runner's World? The "featured run" is in North Bend! :-)

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:42:13 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - I had a wonderful time skiing yesterday. I really hope to do more next season. It was very warm, however. And yes, I'll be doing twisting crunches and a bit of the side planks too (hate those, need those). I still work on my pushups but the 100 goal was ruining my happiness, lol. Enough to have learned to keep them going and not neglect them.

Nicole - I did not see that RW. Thanks! I've been getting my RWs at the library and I have many to catch up on.

From marion on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:10:11 from 71.213.105.58

You mean that there are going to be other parts that are sore after the marathon???? CRAP! Can you come move in with me and train me???

Yes, we are Utahn's :)

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:17:41 from 67.171.56.220

I grew up in Murray, Utah and remember being called a Utahn but now people that don't like them say Utards...ouch! I sure do miss skiing Alta as well...no snowboarders allowed unless they want to ski.

From JD on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 12:34:24 from 64.65.159.206

Utahns. What about you...Washingtonians? Snoqualmians? Pacific Northwestarians?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 13:33:22 from 67.171.56.164

Marion, you are young and might get away with just the legs not working. For me, it's everything below my ears. ;)

Jefferey, I try so hard not to hate the snowboarders. So many of them are teens and goodness knows they have enough animosity from adults as it is. But their transgressions are many... I hope we can return to Alta sometime with our daughter. Back then, there were not good lodging choices up near the slopes. Changed?

JD, Washingtonians, Pacific Northwesterners, and there is no word for Snoqualmie dwellers that I know of. Except for the ones who drive too fast and let their dogs wander off leash. There is a word for them.

From Marion on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 13:59:48 from 71.213.105.58

Thanks Sno- I am glad to hear that someone still thinks that 40 is young ;)

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 14:09:13 from 67.171.56.164

I guess it's all relative. I joke about being an old lady (sorry, JD), but the truth is I think my "real age" is pretty young and I'm generally rather smug about it. At least in my head. :) Have a Young day!

From JD on Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 22:49:01 from 32.176.0.54

The bird is the word!

I'm the same age I've been all my life.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 14:40:29 from 67.171.56.164

Some people say that grease is the word, but you and I know better.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.170.004.500.007.67

Objective: tempo run by time and effort (4.5 miles is a guess).  Warm up, 2x20 min at effort which was harder than MP but not as hard as 5K with 5 min. recovery b/t, cool down.

5:15 AM: 42F, rain then occasional light shower, little wind.

I found my legs felt worse today than yesterday, the usual DOMS, and I really wanted to bag the plan for a tempo run. But I decided to go by effort level and time and just do the best I could on the theory that this would be better than nothing.  As with my VO2 workouts, the biggest problem was oxygen, though my legs were not happy either.

An observation: I can turn up the cadence (higher than 185) or I can get better stride length with push-off and heel raising, but I cannot seem to do both at the same time.  At a higher cadence, my feet slap the pavement uncomfortably when I add the "better" running form.  I do like the feel of the stride length effort better.  Up and down hills, the higher cadence with lower foot action seems to work well and on the flatter bits (teensy bits, in my neighborhood) the more powerful stride seems more efficient.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.67
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:14:34 from 71.229.164.25

I'm really impressed with the way you run in the rain. Maybe I'll try it someday if it ever rains here.

I think you should stick with the increased cadence/shorter stride on hills. But I suppose for the rest of the time you should do what feels comfortable to you. You probably shouldn't force yourself into something that feels awkward. But what do I know.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:18:21 from 67.171.56.164

You know plenty, Miss Speedy-pants! Thanks for the 2c. (I'm still going through the website you listed on your blog today. Cracks me up. She has a fun section about homeschooling too.)

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 12:08:47 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles today!! I think today will be my day to run in the rain... if it keeps up after work :)

From Kelli on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 17:49:58 from 71.219.84.191

I was going to say the same thing---go with what feels comfortable. We had the same 2 cents.

Great job on running by feel, I prefer it but have become so attached to gadgets.

From JD on Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 19:53:59 from 32.176.205.247

Double whammy today with both the legs and lungs protesting. The skiing will strengthen muscles that don't get used as much, and make you an even stronger runner.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.170.000.000.608.77

Objective: Fast Finish Friday
Warm up:  2 min walking, 2 mi @ 11:00-12:00
After warm up: moderate (~10:00, + or - for hills)
Penultimate 5 minutes @ 8:40
Cool down: last 5 min @ ~10:30

5AM: 45F, light rain, no wind.

A very pleasant run, though I felt like I was about 90 years old for the first mile. Stiff and tired; I did not get quite enough sleep last night. Saw a raccoon and heard an owl -- it's the time of year I usually start seeing more wildlife on my runs.  The rain was light enough to be refreshing.

Bonnie, I did the even-effort exercise on my hills today (except the fast finish bit), and also the fast running at the end. (Everyone, Bonnie has been helping me a bit offline with some training issues.)   And just for you Bonnie, I have decided to list my paces more often. I still think any number I put down is kind of misleading, because of the hills.  For example, today I was doing the "even effort" thing up a hill of about 5% grade, and I glanced at my Garmin: 13:40!  Mile 2 of my run today was almost entirely uphill, and mile 3 was almost entirely downhill.   But if I check myself on the occasional flat block or two, I can see what the "effort level" pace is, so I'll report that. How does that sound?  :)

To all my Christian friends, a very happy Easter! This heathen won't be blogging again until Sunday, though I'll try to "stop in" and see how everyone's Saturday runs went.  Sunday will be my last mega run (though not my last long run) before Eugene.  Have a great weekend, everyone!

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 8.77
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From Bonnie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:02:33 from 71.210.121.51

Sounds like a great strategy for posting your paces. How long did it take for your breathing to get normalized after the hill effort? So -- how did the 8:40 feel? Was it on flat or still on the hilly side?

Was the last 5 min cool down because you wanted to get in 5 slow miles or was it because you going uphill on the way home or?

From Metcalf Runnig on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:25:30 from 71.219.132.113

Nice run Sno!! I struggle with the hills around my neighborhood. When I run after work I don't have them, but this morning I got to do them and boy it makes a huge difference.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 13:22:37 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, the breathing was extremely close to "normal" during the entire hill (for most all the hills) and completely normal within 10-20 yards of completing them. The 8:40 felt hard for about a block, and after that it felt fine --except!... Except for my breathing. I think I've mentioned this before with speed work. I just never feel like I can get enough oxygen. The last 5 minutes was a cool down "on principle." :) I don't know whether it is necessary, but I always feel like I should do a cool down if I can. I also walk the last 50 yards or so to home.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 13:25:19 from 67.171.56.164

Forgot to answer one of your questions: I timed it so that the 8:40 was mostly flat. A bit of hill at first, then around the duck pond (flat) and then a slight incline, then a slight decline.

From Bonnie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 13:45:11 from 128.196.228.134

Sno, I want you to breath hard up the hills. Not so hard that you have to stop and catch your breath at the end, and not so hard that you can't recover in about 60 secs after you crest the hill, but you should be slightly uncomforatable. You need to leave your comfort-zone a little more ... same goes for the 5 mins fast, it should hurt. It is short enough you won't have any residual problems late in the day, but it should be pretty hard, I might even say "really hard". It is not about pace (so you might want to do on hills) it is about feeling the pain and getting used to it a little more.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:12:03 from 67.171.56.164

Well, shoot. That's how I already *was* running the hills! That's my usual hill style. I must have misunderstood the note.

I thought my 8:40 at the end might be a little *too* hard, because you said half m. pace, which for me is more like 8:50 I think. (For flat.) I think we have come to a sticky point here, that is my fitness downfall. My lungs will always lag behind my legs. Going uphill helps (if "hurting" below the waist is the goal) but the limits of my crappy VO2 always spoil the party. Maybe I should do more 400s in the next training cycle. ??

Thanks so much, Bonnie!

From Bonnie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:14:44 from 128.196.228.134

I guess I was trying to see how badly your 1/2 marathon pace hurt -- you might have to do almost 5K pace for the fast finish.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:18:29 from 67.171.56.164

Maybe it depends on the length of the run. 8 miles isn't a big deal for me. Now Sunday on the other hand... Still not sure if I should mess with just running easy. Maybe last mile with a push. Thanks again!

From lysa on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 17:21:29 from 76.23.52.240

wow. good job

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 17:22:43 from 71.229.164.25

Not to intrude on the training session with Bonnie, I just have to say that I'm excited that you used the word "penultimate." It's one of my favorite words.

And you trumped Bonnie who only felt 80 years old today.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 18:48:26 from 67.171.56.164

Oh, that's funny. I guess we're on the same wavelength today.

I love "penultimate" too. I may have made my cool down exactly 5 minutes just so I could say that.

From JD on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 19:08:15 from 64.65.159.206

You know, my legs have been kind of leaden all week. Maybe it is body snatchers!

Penultimate...? Is that like, a superior writing device?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 19:28:40 from 71.229.164.25

Maybe one of these days you can find a way to use "antepenultimate."

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:14:30 from 67.171.56.164

And before you know it I will be structuring my workouts around potential linguistic accomplishments.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 18:12:48 from 71.219.132.113

Sno, just had to say I was soooo close to you on the mileage board this week. Maybe soon I will be as good as you :)

From snoqualmie on Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 21:49:26 from 67.171.56.164

You look at my miles. I look at your paces. The admiration is mutual...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.260.000.000.0023.26

Objective: endurance
7 AM: 44F, raining and windy. Blech...

Well, I got the job done. It wasn't the first long run I've had to do in the wet, and I'm sure it won't be the last.  Unfortunately, I seem to be coming down with a cold.  I have felt a signal coming from the back of my throat since Friday night, but since it is not severe I decided to get this run checked off my list.  I can skip tomorrow's short recovery run if an afternoon of rest doesn't bring me back. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 23.26
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From JD on Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 18:43:52 from 32.176.19.87

Apparently it's requisite for all marathon training cycles to end up with the trainee getting ill, or injured. Hope you can rest up and nip this one in the bud.

Good long run by the way.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 19:39:11 from 71.229.164.25

Well, you certainly endured. That's one heck of a long run. About a week ago I started having that little signal in the back of my throat and it hung around for a while but hasn't turned into anything significant. I hope yours stays similarly at bay.

From rattletrap on Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 22:44:10 from 24.19.93.139

Great job knocking out 23 miles in this mess! It was miserable here this morning, and I'm sure it was even worse in your neighborhood. I hope you kick that cold in the butt like you did this run! Relax and get some rest, you deserve it.

From nicole on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:20:01 from 173.116.73.119

you are a machine! I am so impressed with your very very very VERY long runs! feel better and rest up - eugene is so close!

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:24:52 from 71.210.121.51

Good Job Sno ... take it easy!!

From scotthughes on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:44:41 from 209.33.211.3

Great job getting out there in the elements! I am spoiled and don't have to deal with the rain like you, living in the desert. There are times however that a rain would feel real good....say mid July when it is 115.LOL

I am always impressed with your long runs especially in bad condition. Good luck on your next race! I am tapering for the Salt Lake Marathon this weekend and am excited that the weather is supposed to be 40 @ start and 50-55 at finish.

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:11:05 from 67.171.56.220

Did you hear my honk at about 10:30 ish? Nice mileage!! 3 more miles there and you were at marathon miles...you shoulda kept going :-)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:46:20 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Scott! Good luck on your marathon. That's great that you'll have good weather.

Jeff, was that on Douglas, and I had just turned into the little trail? I did hear honking then and turned and saw a white van, though I'm not sure that's who was honking. Thanks for "saying hi!"

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:49:02 from 128.196.228.134

Good job Sno! I can't wait until you get the beautiful summer weather - these mentally challenging runs will really pay off then!

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:50:08 from 67.171.56.220

Yep...that was us!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I'm not feeling too bad this morning, though I definitely have some junk in my throat.  I think this one will pass quickly; I compare it to the cold I had in February that knocked the life out of me for nearly a week. This doesn't feel anything like that.  (Thanks, Carolyn, for telling me about yours.)

I did promise myself yesterday, at around mile 16 (that was when my shoes started to "squish") that if I finished the miles, and if I didn't feel well by nighttime, I could skip today's run. That was the deal: long miles for additional miles.  Because goodness knows, I was tempted to go home so badly that even stopping by for some dry shoes may have ended it. 

I'm just rambling here... (A mental subsitute for running?) I have read many marathon training plans that suggest long runs up to 20 miles, or long runs up to 3 hours, and I am very conscious of my abnormal practice of going beyond that.  Confession time: I was running yesterday for nearly 4.5 hours.  That's some slow running, chugging along like the proverbial tortoise.  But what I really want to say is how impressed and inspired I am by Bonnie's run  of the same distance.  Someday, when I am fitter, and when it's not pouring, and when I'm not coming down with a cold... I want to be like her, and combine the distance of my race with a progression of pace.  I look forward to Eugene and I feel really positive about this training cycle, but I also feel like I have a lot more improvement to pursue.

One last bit of mental flotsam: do you all know about Ed Whitlock?  He was the first (only?) 70+ y.o. person to run the marathon in under 3 hours.  His training comprises 2-3 hours every day of running a ~400m circuit through a cemetery in his neighborhood, around and around... 

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:04:06 from 71.229.164.25

I think you have definitely earned a day off. And I hope you nip this cold in the bud and that it doesn't turn into anything significant.

I have also been wondering a little bit about the length/duration of long runs when training for a marathon. My long run on Friday took about 3.5 hours. And I know a lot of training plans only have one 20-miler. But my plan has another 20-miler this week, and a 23-miler the week after that. That's not to mention the 20-miler I missed the week I was in Utah.

But I think those training plans with just one 20-miler or one 3-hour run are geared towards first-time marathoners whose goal is just to finish the race.

I believe we've had a discussion about the number of 20+ mile runs in a marathon training program before. But we haven't talked about the duration of those runs. (Now I'm rambling.)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:12:52 from 67.171.56.164

I don't know which of my training books it was, but at least one of them says "up to 3 hours" for marathon training. That would leave me with at least 6 miles of terra incognita, plus the fatigue of racing. Hm.

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 13:16:28 from 128.196.228.134

Thanks for being impressed by my run Sno ... I am equally (maybe even more) impressed by the fortitude you showed in yours - running for that long with squishy shoes is down-right rockstaresque.

Dean and I were talking last night about my splits, and although I didn't actually mean to speed up it just happened. Dean said the same thing happens to him when his legs get tired, he gets faster. I think it is just the "horse to barn" concept ;-).

I think that the "runs over 3 hours" rule was specific to those people who are going to be out running a marathon for 2.5 hours or a less. If we are going to be out for 3.5 hours or more then we have to be able to demonstrate we can be on our feet for that long - in my opinion. Especially if you can run the miles at a pace that you can recover from by your next workout (which is the most important thing - we don't want to do anything that mucks up the rest of our training or takes too long to recover from). So, for you, if 20 miles takes 4 hours then you should run 20 miles (since you WILL be done in 4 or less hours!!!). If 22 miles takes me 3.5 hours then I should run 22 miles (since I hope to be out for 3.5 hours). This is just my take on it. Greg doesn't specify this - he just wants me to run 22 miles, but I am pretty sure that many of his elite athletes run 24+ miles, because they can do it 3 hours ...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 13:28:47 from 67.171.56.164

So you are saying that the longest run be the *time* of your marathon goal? Dang, girl, you're going to make my Garmin obsolete if you keep this up! :D

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 13:29:35 from 67.171.56.164

Clarify question.. the time of the marathon goal rather than a percentage of the distance?

From Bonnie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 13:36:16 from 128.196.228.134

Well, it could be coincidental, but for me (and several of my friends) it has just worked out that way - time on feet rather than the number of miles over 20 miles. This is really for us slower runners. I really think the whole "not running more than 3 hours" truly is based on how many miles over 20-something should elite marathoners train without sacrificing other workouts. For us slower people we *have* to be able to get used to being on our feet for 3.5 hours or more ... so, in my opinion, it come down less about how far you go (though hopefully you can go at least 20-21) and more about how long you are on your feet. This is not precise ... just a possible rule of thumb. If you are someone (like you seem to be) that can run endless amount of miles and not have them adversely affect further training, then by all means run as many miles as you can. I am not at all sure I could run 4 hours without reducing the volume and/or intensity of my next weeks training significantly.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 13:57:37 from 198.241.217.15

I'm going to agree with Bonnie on this one (always a smart move).

I have somehow come by the impression that the length of the longest run(s) in marathon training are meant to train you to spend the length of time on your feet that you will spend in the marathon. Assuming that you run the training run at a slower pace than you will run the marathon, the distance that you will run in that training run is less than marathon distance.

I agree that the 3 hour rule probably applies to faster runners than we are (and probably whoever wrote that was only thinking of men as well).

From JD on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 15:22:53 from 64.65.159.206

Thanks for that tidbit about Ed Whitlock. With his daily runs through the cemetery, he's essentially running circles around mortality.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 15:41:24 from 67.171.56.164

It just drips with irony, doesn't it?

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 16:33:37 from 71.219.132.113

Sorry you are not feeling well. I'm sure that a bit of rest will have you back to normal!

From april27 on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 22:30:04 from 99.188.251.180

Sorry you aren't feeling well. And I hope I'm running at 70!

I can't believe you ran for that long!

I always love reading your blogs b/c of all the comments I learn so much!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.180.000.000.007.18

Objective: easy. Average pace on flat terrain: 11:10

5:10 AM: Snowing, 34F, traction poor.

15 min strength work

I believe that Spring will come. I believe, I believe...

Other than a lot of phlegm and some tiredness, my cold is very mild and not affecting my running much.  The legs felt good, though a little heavy.  On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being elephant-on-valium and 10 being Pegasus, they were at about 6. But no soreness or stiffness. 

Needless to say, I am disgusted with the weather. Silver linings: it didn't do this on Sunday, I was just having an "easy" run anyway, and it really cannot last much longer.  

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.18
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:38:01 from 71.229.164.25

Wow. You had some rough weather this morning. I feel guilty.

Yes, Spring will come. Winter is trying to get in his last digs, but you will triumph. You are the champion.

From jefferey on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:36:50 from 67.171.56.220

I have a favor to ask...Don't challenge winter next year please!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:06:47 from 207.225.192.66

Sno, good to see that your cold is not getting you down... nice run! especially considering the way you are feeling and the fact that it is snowing again :(

It's raining here and it doesn't look like it will let up before my run after work. Looks like I will be running in the rain! But definaltely not singing.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:18:00 from 67.171.56.164

Jefferey, If you must know, I think this might be *your* fault! Old Man Winter didn't get to you and wants one more shot. lol

Lori, Keep telling yourself this: "it's only water..." That works for about 20-30 minutes, after that you have to rely on your gear, your perseverance and the promise of hot cocoa. Good luck!

From Bonnie on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:39:04 from 71.210.121.51

Great job Sno -- the fortitude you have shown this winter will pay off big time in three weeks!

From april27 on Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 23:57:47 from 99.188.251.180

i think it is cold season...i keep getting and then getting rid of the stuffies and sore throat...running seems to help keep it at bay!...i'm sending good weather fairies your way

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.040.000.000.007.04

Objective - Moderate run, pushing pace a little:  w.u. 1 mile easy & slow (11:00-12:00), 5 miles MP + 30 seconds (~9:30, +-w/ hills), c.d. 1 mile moderate (10:00-10:30) w/ walking last 1 minute.

5:15 AM...  35F, mostly clear, no wind :D, icy on short cut trails.

What a nice morning, though cold! It was getting light by 5:45 and I even turned off the headlamp during the last 30 minutes. (I often keep it on for safety, being visible to cars in dusky light.)  Once I got warm, it was a very pleasant run.

I had scheduled myself to do some intervals today, but I still have so much phlegm from my cold, perhaps even more than yesterday, and with the temperature so low I did not want this thing going down into my lungs.  So, what to do?  I decided to work on running faster without a really lengthy warmup, only 1 mile, and then to focus on my form and keep the effort very even, just a bit easier than marathon pace. Who knows whether this was the best plan, but I had a good time and was very pleased with my workout.  Still a bit of hacking cough when I finally stopped, but not too bad.

It is a pity that my feet and calves are not strong enough to wear racing shoes for a whole 26.2. These Lunars and my ST3's feel so wonderful and make it so much easier to go faster.   I might try to build up to longer distances with them in the coming year. I know that stronger runners do wear them in marathons; perhaps that can be me someday.  

I have an observation about pace, hills, and self-image.  Naturally, my pace slows down when going uphill, and the steepest hills took me down to 11:00 today, even with my harder effort.  But the downhills were not that much better.  I got 20-30 seconds faster on slight declines, but as soon as the downhill was steep enough for me to land on my heels (I am not normally a heel striker), I slowed to 10:00 and even slower on the really steep hills (>6%).  I've tried to lean forward more so that I am not braking, but it only helps a little. 

It makes me wonder, with all the hills I run every day, how differently I might view myself as a runner if I lived in a flatter area.  A few hills to build strength would always be welcome, but if I did 75% (instead of 20%) of my running on a flat surface, I might not have so  many "false readings" about my abilities, if it can be called that.  There is nothing I can do about it, but I just wonder sometimes.  More Ruminations from Snoqualmie's Brain.... thanks for listening.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.04
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:49:33 from 198.241.217.15

I think you made a good decision about modifying your workout today. You got a good workout in and I hope it didn't make your cold any worse. This phlegmy thing should run its course and leave you pretty soon.

I'd like to try racing shoes. Maybe I'll buy some some day. They never suggest them to me in the running store. I wonder why.

Interesting observations about pace, hills, and self-image. I also run a lot of hills. My average run is probably about 30% flat. But I am a natural heel striker and I do go quite a bit faster on the downhills than on the uphills. I am actually glad to live in a hilly place because I feel like it has made me a stronger runner than I would be in a flat place.

You mention that hills give you "false readings" about your abilities. Do you under estimate your abilities because the hills make you run slower than you would on flat?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:06:21 from 67.171.56.164

Yes, I am judging myself by those pace numbers and I meant to say that it's sort of a false image, or at least I hope it is. I was thinking of going to some flat terrain for my run this Sunday, to see what I can do there. Planning a progression run of 16-18 miles.

I'm not surprised to hear no one offered to show you racing shoes. (Rant deleted.) The ST3's are my favorite because they fit the best, but I love the Lunars too.

From Bonnie on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:28:48 from 71.210.125.219

Get rid of that cold snow!! You do run slower when you live and train on hills ... I like the idea of you doing a longer run on the flats this weekend, it will allow you to work on consistent pacing (dare I say, by feel??) ;-).

Good job, again, on getting out there Sno, you are an inspiration!

From Bonnie on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 14:58:36 from 128.196.228.134

so, what I meant to say, was "get rid of that cold, Sno" -- reminds me of that old Verizon commercial ("you said, get a movie, something old?" - "I thought you said, get a monkey with a cold").

From JD on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 15:19:05 from 166.128.188.222

Good running today. In spite of what the hills do to your pace, you're putting a certain amount of effort into each mile, and building strength too. Running on a flat course is a good idea to be able to push your pace a little quicker over a longer length of time.

I'm looking out my window right now, watching huge snowflakes cover the blooms on our plum trees...because, you know, it IS April 15th.

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 17:02:17 from 71.35.168.36

Sno,

I'm still here- just running four days a week still. M,W,T,Sat. for my long runs. You could consider snoqualmie for your long runs. There are plenty of places to run. On the weekends you can start after 9 on the sno valley trail and there seem to be plenty of people there.(watch out for the giant dogs...see my write up today) Plus when you run the trail it is easier on your legs with the dirt and gravel. It does beat your pace down a little.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:45:56 from 67.171.56.164

Do you know whether they've opened up Boalch Ave yet? I know there was some construction there, east of Centennial Park.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:48:12 from 67.171.56.164

JD, the freezing flakes of gov't greed are damaging the fragile blossoms of our economic plums!

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:00:09 from 71.35.168.36

Have you seen this yet? Awesome- You should appreciate it as a musician...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:13:38 from 71.35.168.36

here is a better link with more info...Good Stuff!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY&feature=related

From JD on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 21:33:14 from 166.128.237.5

Hahaha!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:19:58 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, that was so enjoyable! Thank you.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.450.000.000.009.45

Objective: general aerobic, fun.  Pace on flats after warm up: ~10:00

5 AM:  41F, breezy in open places, mostly cloudy, a "normal" spring day in the NW, finally! 

Beautiful morning and a fabulous run.  Lots of snot, but lots of energy too.  First mile very slow (12:30) and then picked it up a bit. By mile 3 I tried to keep the effort very even.  I experimented with some different gaits on the downhills; the only way I could improve the pace was to take short, fast little steps. Really fast. But I'm not sure that's a good way to run.

Speaking of running styles, Dale has a link to a really funny Youtube clip on his blog.  How not to run.  Then you can look at this other amazing video of Josh Cox and Ryan Hall on a run together.  BEEEautiful running form.  Look at how consistent Josh's form is as he continues the run alone, up to 31 miles.  Look how high his heels come up in back.  Her Majesty Deena runs like that too.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.45
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 16:16:48 from 198.241.156.7

I'm so glad you had a fun run! You deserve it. Congratulations on your "normal" spring day. It was my turn for the rain today, but it wasn't too bad. Tomorrow is supposed to be worse.

I enjoyed the videos.

From Bonnie on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 18:10:57 from 128.196.228.134

Her majesty Sno -- I am going to bring my "yaxtrax-like" things to Eugene - if you like them, and they fit you, they are all yours!!

not that you will need them for a while!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 18:57:54 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Bonnie. I do have a pair of Yaktrax so if you have other recipients in mind do not trouble yourself.

From JD on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 19:04:07 from 64.65.159.206

Nice running Snoqualmie - 9.45 miles on a weekday even.

Thanks for the video link. On todays run I tried to emulate Josh Cox's smooth form...in my mind I was doing great, in reality I was running 3 1/2 minutes per mile slower than he.

From Bonnie on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 19:05:54 from 128.196.228.134

ha ha ha ha JD -- that is pretty funny. I have found that happens to me too!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 20:54:01 from 71.219.132.113

Man that is a beautiful thing to see someone run so smoothly. As much as I try I think I will always be more like Phebe.

Nice run today... really good miles!

From Kelli on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 21:42:49 from 71.219.75.132

I LOVE PHOEBE!!! That was hilarious, thanks for sharing. Can you imagine how fun a race would be if someone would really run like that? Imagine what would happen if they ran in front of the elites?? Don't you think they would all fall down laughing, then we could put blinders on so we would not laugh and we could pass them!?!

I need to go to bed.

Great run today, I love that your objective was to have FUN.

Also, I am a very bad downhill runner and I was given the tip to pretend like I was skiing and lean into it a little. I still get a little freaked out and think I am going to trip and roll down the hill, but I am getting better at it!

NIGHT!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 22:15:44 from 67.171.56.164

I get frightened too, Kelli. And you should see me on a bike! Brake, brake, brake...

From Kelli on Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 22:17:01 from 71.219.75.132

I stay away from bikes and scooters, anything with wheels.

From april27 on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:45:49 from 99.188.251.180

OMG! As soon as I saw Phoebe I knew what it was! I run like her sometimes to loosen my shoulders! LOL

That is so amazing! 30 miles in under 3 ours! And another beautiful scenery! I think I would run slower just so I could take it all in!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.551.000.000.006.55

Objective: easy, w/ fast finish (easy running until mile 5.2, one mile hard, and then cool down)

5:20 AM: 45F, raining

Today felt like a recovery run, very slow and stiff.  I guess I shouldn't be so surprised, since both Wednesday's & Thursday's runs were fairly vigorous. But they seemed too easy to have wiped me out this much.  I dreaded doing the fast mile. When the time came, my pace was always a little slower than MP (~9:20) and my effort level was much harder than MP (felt like 5K effort).  Looking forward to sleeping late tomorrow!

Have a great weekend, everyone! 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.55
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From Metcalf Running on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 13:11:48 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today! Enjoy sleeping in tomorrow you deserve it! Thanks for the talk about visulization. I will try that our tomorrow on my long run.

From jefferey on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 14:30:51 from 70.56.85.163

That's how I felt yesterday.

Found another interesting story for you...this time a well known violinist, Joshua Bell. Here is the link and to appreciate this you need to read the accompanying story from the washington post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw

I will look for you Sunday on my way to church....white van.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 14:35:32 from 67.171.56.164

Jefferey, Thanks for that. I did know that story and it is incredible. My husband plays violin and we were fascinated by that. Still not sure where I'm going Sunday but I'll know you if I see/hear you!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 16:20:05 from 198.241.156.7

Great job pulling out that last mile fast when you didn't feel like it. You're awesome.

Enjoy your day off tomorrow.

From JD on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 16:31:35 from 64.65.159.206

Nice running this week. Whenever I do any kind of speed work, I'm always a little surprised at how much it takes out of me, and how long it takes to get back to normal.

Enjoy sleeping *late* tommorrow morning.

From april27 on Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 22:41:30 from 99.188.251.180

Maybe I missed it but why are you doing one fast mile?

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:42:42 from 67.171.56.164

Good question, April. The distance is somewhat arbitrary. The point is to practice "fast finish." Lots of marathon training programs advocate some variation of this workout, the point of which is to train your brain and your muscles to work hard when they are tired so that you will not "fade" at the end of a long race. I recently decided to do a FF run more often because Bonnie recommended it. She gives great advice! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.654.000.000.0015.65

Objective: progression on mostly flat terrain

7:10 AM:  Low 40sF, rising to low 60s, mostly sunny, variable wind 0-15 mph

I made some big mistakes today.  The first was wearing my Camelbak fanny pack for hydration.  Venturing out of my nice, drinking-fountain-endowed neighborhood,  I knew it would get warm today and smugly filled up the little bladder, figuring I was all set!  The fanny pack was awful. Oh yeah, this is why I stopped wearing it. It chafed and bounced, unless I cinched it up so tightly that it interfered with my belly breathing, sometimes even producing side stitches.  So I did my best with that.  

(Before I describe the second mistake, lest you think I had a miserable time today, I should note that it was mostly a really fun run with some beautiful moments, and a good workout.)

Would it have taken that much time to look at a map with regard to distance and topography?  I did take the trouble to call the City of North Bend to inquire about the construction over the bridge on Boalch Ave, but even that did not completely keep me out of trouble.  It was morning service at the Church of the Unwarranted Assumption, as I went trotting off on what I thought would be a) flat, and b) 8-9 miles each direction.  Neither was true.  For your amusement, here is the blow by blow....

Mile 1 & 2 (11:34, 11:02) Warm up, starting from my parked car down in old Snoqualmie.  Took stupid wrong turn and went the long way around the high school, into 40 mph traffic.  Found my way back, and noticed a lot of people at Centennial Park. Maybe it's always this way?  (no) Some guy says to me in a cranky tone, "You better save it for later!"  huh?  whatever.  (Later, all is explained.)

(10:30, 10:31, 10:59) I head down Boalch, finding it to be so deserted that I might as well be on the Snoqualmie Valley Trail, but everything feels good except that I'm running into a stiff headwind all of a sudden.  I get to the bridge, where the aforementioned construction work is blocking car traffic, and I find the "scaffolding that you can cross on."  I guess I was expecting something a little bit wider and more stable?  It was about 20 inches wide, 12 feet long,  crossing a deep chasm. Dead stop. Oh my goodness I was frightened. Turn back? No, I can do this.  Slowly, easy...  Funny, because I just watched the movie "Man on Wire" a couple of nights ago.  Further down Boalch I had to run on Hwy 202 (cars 50 mph), where the shoulder seemed a lot smaller than it always has from my car.  After going through part of North Bend, I decided to get on the SV trail after all.  Ug- gravel.  How I hate it.  It saps my energy and I feel every pebble underfoot.

(10:43, 10:47, 11:29) Some time during mile 5 I started up the Mt. Si road.  Last night this seemed like such a fun idea. And in many ways it was.  But it is not flat.  I found myself surprised by the incline, partly because it gets steeper as you go up and I underestimated how far I would have to go up to get the miles.  Maps, Snoqualmie, maps! They're incredibly useful, and easy to find on this very computer in front of you.   The cars were whizzing by, so I had to keep going into the gravel on the shoulder (more gravel - ug) and the headwind was worse than ever here.  As slow as that mile 8 pace looks, it was worse on the Garmin. I can laugh now, but the wooded road blocked the signal so much that at one point it said pace = 18:35!  And the % grade read minus 37%!  Crazy Garmin.

(9:44, 9:41, 10:16)  The turnaround was a welcome change as I now headed downhill, with the tailwind, and fewer cars in this direction.  I intentionally slowed a couple of times, once to look at the river through the woods - gorgeous! - and once to jog up the short driveway to the horse barn where my daughter rides. I thought I'd say hello but no one was around.  At the bottom of Mt. Si Road I learned the reason for the weird comment of that guy at mile 2.   A huge crowd of runners with bib #s was coming out of the SV trail as I was going in.  I asked a volunteer at the street crossing -- it  was the "Mt Si Relay and 50K."  It was fun to run "against" them and see their faces. Lots of Marathon Maniac singlets, lots of friendly greetings.  But I was back on the gravel, and it was time to kick into a higher gear. :(

(9:21, 9:13, 9:54 (oops), 9:03)  About 1.5 miles on the gravel before I could break free back onto the roads since I didn't want to "walk the plank" again.  But the new route shortened the run too.  :(   Maps, Snoqualmie!   When I got back onto the asphalt it was such a relief, but I was definitely tiring and the warm air was affecting me a lot.  I am so unaccustomed to running in anything above 45F; Eugene could be a real disaster if it's warm.  I don't know why that 14th mile (the oops) got slower; I wasn't looking at the Garmin very much here.  The last half mile of the 15th was positively anaerobic.  And I'm supposed to do that for 26.2?  I don't know, I don't know.  

(11:54) Cooldown for a few minutes by going around the block at my car.  Feet hurt. (gravel?)  I feel too hot.   

Well, I don't know why I had to make this so long, but I learned a lot and I hope it was a workout that will help me on race day, two weeks from today.  I now enter my taper.  Oh! My eyes teared up when I typed that.  I wonder what my brain can be up to.  Although I'm kicking myself for not consulting a map before going out, I might not have picked this route at all if I had. And I would have missed a good adventure. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 15.65
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 15:19:50 from 71.210.125.219

oh Sno, I am sorry things did not go as planned. It was quite the adventure though, and you told it so funnily (verb?). At the very least you got some mental benifit from the challenges you had to face -- and it must have been nice to see such even splits! Too bad you couldn't run with the 50k'ers for a while ;).

Have a good day!

From JD on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 15:25:07 from 32.176.124.43

Holy crap what an adventure! Great report. I think it's good for us runners to run in different places/surfaces/situations once in awhile. Good for the soul.

Nice job on the MP splits.

Taper time!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 15:58:21 from 71.219.132.113

I love reading your reports, even thought the tough times there is always a silver lining! What a crazy adventure... chalk up that one for experience. Nice pace though, you should be very happy.

From nicole on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 18:59:19 from 99.204.204.46

great job persevering through all the challenges and CONGRATS on making it to the taper! :-)

I know the feeling about the hydration belt - I hate it! sometimes if I feel safe enough and am doing some sort of loop ill leave it somewhere I can access it.

even though I love the sun today in portland (75+) ill hope for cold weather for you in 2 weeks!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 18:59:38 from 71.229.164.25

It's too bad that you have to go something like that and then we get the reward of an awesome report. You really had quite an adventure. And you were quite speedy on those MP miles.

Good luck with the taper!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 20:16:41 from 67.171.56.164

I'm so honored that at least 5 people read my monster report, and it wasn't even a race report! Thank you, everyone! Loved the comments!

From april27 on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:58:47 from 99.188.251.180

YOu always have such adventures on your runs!

Since it hit 60's I have noticed the air is so heavy on my lungs! Stinks! Why can't we just have pefect running weather??

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 16:37:29 from 70.56.85.163

Like my Mom used to say to me "If you didn't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all". Sounds like a chance to learn to overcome obstacles. How did you like that lovely wind? I hate when that blows down from the Mts. there. I never thought about the gravel sucking the energy out of me, but I think you are right. Glad you hung on and made it. I rarely see anybody at centennial as I go in the early morning.

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 16:47:02 from 70.56.85.163

...on weekdays. My in-laws live right off the trail in NB and it's a 2.5 mile run on the trail from centennial park. If you ever want to run that, let me know and we can get you some hydration at their place.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 21:47:54 from 67.171.56.164

That's very nice of you, Jeff. Thanks!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 21:48:40 from 67.171.56.164

p.s. My hips are chafed AND bruised. I'd burn the darn thing if I didn't think I might use it for day hiking.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.670.000.000.004.67

Objective: recovery/easy

5:40 AM: 43F, breeze 3-9 mph, mostly clear, light enough to go out w/out headlamp!

It is very hard for me to get out the door for these short runs, or get out of bed for that matter.  They hardly seem worth the trouble of gearing up, and washing out all the running clothes afterwards.  Does anyone else have trouble going on short runs?

I reached a little milestone in that my paper blog (which is where I keep all the really juicy secrets; just kidding) filled up with yesterday's entry.  I now begin a new book, purchased way back in December.  This is my 4th book now. The 3rd book was started 12-3-06. It is so much fun to look through old entries and race reports. 

OMG! Time watch Boston marathon now!   Very exciting race, for both the women and the men!  Amazing athletes - just incredible.  Ryan Hall and Kara Goucher both taking 3rd place - wow. They probably hoped for better, but I am totally impressed by their getting on the podium with that strong field of runners, and both are so young in their marathon careers.  That was only Goucher's second marathon of her life.   They are both just getting started! 

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 4.67
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:16:51 from 71.229.164.25

I sometimes have a hard time getting out the door regardless of the length of the run. Today was one of those days. We must be on the same wavelength.

Congratulations on filling up your 3rd paper blog. Look at all you've accomplished. You've been very consistent for a long time. I hope that I can keep up running like you have. My husband seems to think I'm going to stop running after my marathon. He's got another think coming.

Thanks for the reminder about the Boston Marathon! I better check and see what's going on.

From rattletrap on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:05:26 from 70.192.56.82

I look forward to the short runs with Kym. It's those darn 10 milers every day that I dread. Sometimes I hit the snooze button 2 or 3 times before dragging my butt out of bed!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:33:35 from 207.225.192.66

When it comes to shorter runs I worry that I'm not doing enough. Well I think I always worry that I'm not doing enough.

Congrats of your little milestone. I have never been one to really track my miles until recently. So I think that it's great you get to see all that you have accomplished.

From JD on Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 17:58:36 from 64.65.159.206

I like the shorter runs because they feel so good. It's shorter so it doesn't wipe you out, but you still get that high. Plus it feels good to purge the legs of any tightness they might have from a previous run.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:05:19 from 67.171.56.164

Maybe it's partly because my body warms up very slowly. I start feeling loose and springy around mile 2-3, then it's almost time to go home! Lots of vegetables and only a taste of dessert.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.390.000.000.007.39

Objective: easy, enjoy the morning, hill sprints on the shorter hills after mile 2 

5:10 AM: 47F, clear, breeze 3-9 mph

20 min. strength afterwards

We're in the midst of a little heat wave, with temperatures up to the 70's by day.  But I've still got a Smartwool layer on for my early morning runs.  Smartwool under my tech top and bare legs! lol  I am enjoying the No Swish running- no jacket, vest, etc.  - just quiet fabric.   Busy day today...

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.39
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From rattletrap on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46:35 from 75.216.108.144

Bare legs at 5:10am?! Did I read that right? I guess Summer is almost here. I'm anxious to get back out there this afternoon. I'll be wearing shorts for the first time since November.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26:35 from 71.229.164.25

Wow. You were sure out early this morning. Is that just a wee bit on the early side for you?

We're also getting pretty warm in the afternoons, but I'm still wearing long pants for my morning run, smart wool socks, and two shirts.

Good luck with your busy day.

From Bonnie on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:55:16 from 71.210.125.219

AHHHHH ... I am so happy for you Sno, nice temps to enjoy your taper (or as Greg calls it "peak").

Today should be our first day in the 100's since last fall ... sigh. I wish I were more of a warm weather person, I would take a snowstorm any day over 100 degrees. But, this morning was nice (71, warmer in the sun -- really it is the sun that gets you here it feels so much hotter in the sun than the shade).

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 13:33:44 from 207.225.192.66

Good to see that you are getting nice weather finally. I hope you are enjoying your busy day.

From snoqualmie on Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 22:56:39 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - not particularly early, no.

Clouds are returning. Heat wave over I guess.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.003.000.000.006.00

Objective: (Tapering) Practice marathon pace (or effort, as the case was). 3 mi easy, 3 mi MP (adjusted for hills) - ran out of time for the cool down. See below...

5:30 AM:  46F, light rain, breeze ~7 mph

15 min strength work

My 3 MP mile was a little short due to running out of time; last .1 was jogged/walked for a cool down.   Splits: 12:26, 11:14, 11:39 (2 big hills), 9:21, 9:26, 9:11.   I was trying very hard to keep the effort even, beginning the MP section on my little ~400 meters of flat sidewalk on Ridge St.  to dial in the effort level (shooting for 9:10).  But I must say, the pace was actually all over the place, probably because of hills.  A bit distressing was the fact that it really felt kind of hard.  I have run enough marathons to know how different it feels on race day, with that last week of taper (fresh legs!) and the excitement of the race.  But that is an intellectual fact, one that has to work hard to break through the emotional information: "I cannot possibly do this for 4 hours! I am doomed!"  lol :)

Here is a little food for thought about running shoes.   Oh yes, there is definitely a part of me that likes these subversive, fringe, and anti-establishment ideas. ;)  That is the libertarian in me. But I would go even farther off the beaten track than this article (which asserts that high priced running shoes weaken the feet and cause injuries), in that I believe we live in an Injury Culture that actually promotes pain. 

There are constant subliminal messages telling us that injury is inevitable (such as "running hurts your knees," and "high mileage leads not to stronger bodies but rather to injured ones"). The messages appear in magazines (most of which now feature a column on injuries in every issue), blogs and internet forums, and are used by the brain to create credible psychosomatic pains. The physical mechanism for the pain is the closure of capillaries by the brain. The purpose of the pain is to protect us, through distraction, from severe anxiety and anger. But it must seem like a credible injury or the distraction will not work, hence the advantage of "epidemic" type illness or injuries. 

I know I have mentioned this phenomenon on my blog before, but the very interesting article above makes me want to mention it again, because widespread publicity regarding an injury type is crucial to the psychosomatic process.  Years ago, there was a lot of publicity about tennis elbow -- and more people got it.  Carpal tunnel syndrome also had its heyday. 

I am not saying that no one really gets these disorders (or true running injuries), but that many instances of them are actually psychosomatic. I am also not saying that psychosomatic injuries are "all in a person's head."  The pain is totally physical (the closing of capillaries) and very real and horrible, but in these cases it is generated by the brain for psychological reasons and can only be cured through psychological means.  I am not making this up; it is well documented. (Probably the most extensive single bibliography of research reports can be found in this book.) 

I do hope I'm not sounding preachy.  Somewhere out there, possibly here in blogland, someone has this problem. About 6 years ago, that someone was me, so I keep bringing it up from time to time in hopes of helping another person, as I was once helped. :)

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.00
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:09:15 from 198.241.217.15

I read the whole article about shoes. Very interesting. But then at the bottom of the page, there's the bit by Justin Coulter, sports podiatrist, in which he says that unless you've grown up running barefoot, you shouldn't start, and seek the help of a professional running store. But they're the one's who push the high priced shoes. It seems like this guy's comments undermine the entire article.

So what is a person who grew up wearing shoes and runs on urban streets to do?

From snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:23:16 from 67.171.56.164

Well, what I'm hoping to do is slowly adapt to a thinner, lighter shoe for everyday running. I agree, it's hard when we've already been "messed up." But at least I will know to avoid those really cushy, bulky-heeled shoes. The one that tempts me every time I try it on is the Addidas Supernova. Cush, cush, cush, mmmm. I do own a pair for just kicking around but I don't ever run in them. Oops- I think that's Jefferey's favorite shoe- sorry, Jeff! Just my 2c.

I mostly disregarded that guy at the end. He'll be out of business if the article is true and if people act on it.

From leslie on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 15:58:32 from 76.23.61.78

I read the whole article too, and thought it was super interesting. On those same lines, my son, who is 26 is a super fit athlete, and when he did his last adventure race, I asked him what fuel he took along, and he said candy for sugar boosts, and pretzels for salt. I asked him about gu, shot blocks and bars and he laughed at me and said I shouldn't fall for all that expensive stuff. I just spent over $50 yesterday getting a new stash of all the fuel products. I think we do get sucked into all this commericalism and it is probably not necessary. I am really trying to live frugally and I think, thanks to your entry and my sons comments, I will experiment more with less expensive shoes and fuel. Thanks for your thoughts and sharing the article.

From jefferey on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 16:04:05 from 71.35.170.124

Actually that's my baby's name Super Nova :-) My fave shoes are my brooks radius. I do have a pair of supernova's but the arch isn't as high as I normally like. They are OK. Looking to pick up a pair of Ghost shoes at brooks sale this weekend.(and some more radius too)

From apirl27 on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 22:53:43 from 99.188.251.180

I complelely agree with you. One b/c I"m reading the book and I'm finding that even my allergies maybe psychosomatic...All of this makes so much sense to me. We are drilled into our brains that running hurts it hurts it hurts. But it doesn't have too. Thank you for bringing up this article! I wish I could be free from commericials and news that says that running will only lead to injuries!

From nicole on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 23:16:25 from 70.6.55.84

Sno you always have such great food for thought. Do you have a running book list you could recommend? I really want to read up more on shoes, injuries, etc. Already put that bone broth book of yours in my library queu!

anyway, definitely something to think about. I really wish my broken ankle was all in my head...!

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 08:22:41 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, hahaha - maybe I was thinking of baby Nova, yes. :)

April, I am so prone to psychosomatic pain (which I discovered is linked to an extremely crappy childhood) that I don't even read injury articles. I can be reading about (name any body part pain) and I will get it *while* reading! Fortunately, I know enough to laugh it off now.

Nicole, great idea. I'll make a list!

Leslie, I hadn't even thought about the gels! That's right. Another area to ponder.

From JD on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 13:26:34 from 64.65.159.206

Interesting article. I'm of an anti-establishment bent myself. For example, I haven't used any lotions of any kind on my skin for 20 years. Instinctively it just didn't feel right. Turns out most companies put a little alchohol in their lotions, which dries your skin out faster, requiring you to need and use more lotion...ridiculous. I think it's a shame that most corporations nowadays look for ways to deceive the consumer so they can make an extra buck or two, instead of just creating a quality, useful product.

I recently bought some trainers to run in. It's a much lighter, less cushioned, less supportive shoe and I love them. I feel so much better running in them. So I've decided to slowly acclimate my feet to running in these kinds of shoes instead of the thickly padded, over supported kind.

From snoqualmie on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 16:35:02 from 67.171.56.164

I am in complete agreement with you on lotions. I get lots of compliments on my skin (usually related to people learning my age) and the only thing I've used on it for a long time is Coconut oil. The kind you cook with. Of course, I get less than 6 actual photons of sunlight per year and that helps... Just kidding. We have plenty in our short summer season.

May I ask what trainers you found?

From JD on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 19:15:15 from 166.128.141.202

They're the Asics DS 13 Trainer. Not as minimal as a racer, but much closer to the ground than my 2140's.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Objective: general aerobic

5:15AM:  35F, mostly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph 

A nice run on this surprisingly chilly morning.  Though running a different route, I covered the same mileage as yesterday. The exact same. I find that weird.  The difference in total time for the two workouts was only 1 minute.  

I was going to do 7-8 easy miles, but got a late start.  Then, I was feeliing really good and not looking at my watch, and I seem to have run comparatively fast for an "easy" run.  This is why I find the "average pace" number to be so meaningless.  These were 2 completely different 6 mile workouts with the almost the same average pace.  Yesterday's MP workout: 12:26, 11:14, 11:39, 9:21, 9:26, 9:11.  Today's splits: 11:51, 11:03, 10:08, 10:09, 10:15, 10:39.

ETA: p.s. Today I'm beginning my 10 day Veggie Challenge. Wanna join me?  In the 10 remaining days before Eugene Marathon, I am going to have a serving of vegetables at every meal - even breakfast - and 1 for a snack. Minimum 4 per day.  I am trying to make sure at least 2 of the 4 are raw. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 6.00
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From Bonnie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:44:48 from 71.210.125.219

Strong run Sno, you must be feeling "frisky".

Good for you on the veggie challenge! You might be enticed to "the other side" this way! That is how I became a vegetarian almost 17 years ago now!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:08:42 from 67.171.56.164

Oh goodness no! No offense, Carolyn, but I view a "produce dominated" diet as the key to carnivore success. lol pH balance, phytonutrients, fiber... I guess vegetables are the bond that brings together all the healthiest human diets. :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:14:56 from 71.229.164.25

Your point about average pace is well taken. You can have one run with big differentials between fast and slow, such as an interval workout, and then have a steady pace run and they can both come out to roughly the same average pace.

I eat a lot of vegetables at lunch and some at dinner. I always have fruit with every other meal/snack. I should try to get some vegetables into breakfast and my snacks. You're a good example to me.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:23:16 from 67.171.56.164

Oops - I must be tired. I thought I saw "Carolyn" instead of Bonnie on the first post. Oh great, early dementia. And somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking "I didn't think Carolyn was a vegetarian," but I knew Bonnie was. Better go have some broccoli...

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:14:15 from 207.225.192.66

Good chanllenge, I think I will try this, I'm usually really good about vetgitables with lunch and dinner. Fruits seems best at breakfast, but maybe tomatoes with my eggs wouldn't be bad. Hmmm good tho think about.

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:52 from 67.171.56.164

Carrots are also good at breakfast - just a bit of sweetness.

From Dale on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:37:25 from 69.10.215.11

10 day veggie challenge is definitely a good idea.....but is it a good idea just before a major race? I'm thinking perhaps the 10 days after Eugene might be a better plan. Or maybe I'm just afraid of my greens...

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:20:34 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for your input, Dale. It's always nice to hear from you on the blog these days, as you await the completion of your healing. I understand your point. I think this will be both wise and helpful though. It is not far off from my usual diet. Cheers!

From jefferey on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:21:23 from 71.35.169.70

Nice job sno. It snowed for about 5 minutes when I was out there. How's your body feeling with the taper?

From Bonnie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:46:31 from 128.196.228.134

ha ha ha, "produce dominated" diet as the key to carnivore success" - Dean would probably agree with you there!

Too bad, for a moment there I thought we might have a convert.

From Kelli on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 16:47:52 from 71.219.98.70

OH! Good luck on that veggie challenge. I do not do so great with the veggies, but I love fruit. WAIT---I throw like 4 cups of spinach in my smoothie, so that counts for something!

Why is it still so cold there? At 4:30 here today it was 61. Hmmm...I hope the warm air and no wind comes your way!

Have a great day!

From nicole on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:21:30 from 70.6.55.84

I love the veggie challenge idea! I usually do pretty good with veggies... but veggies for breakfast sounds gross! :-) maybe if you had time to cook an omelette.....!

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 20:01:33 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, I feel great. "Frisky" as Bonnie puts it. Still enough miles to not get restless. Next week might be challenging. Thanks.

Bonnie, We will have to have Pax Romatomatos.

Kelli, FOUR cups of spinach in your smoothie? I think that's 4 servings right there. lol

Nicole, tomatoes on eggs, slivers of sweet peppers, and favorite - carrots!

From april27 on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:14:35 from 99.188.251.180

Does salsa in my eggs count? and I have a banana in my cereal. I suppose all i have to do is add a veggie/fruit snack...Ooh does yogurt count? I"m doing the no candy challenge...Kinda killing me b/c all I think about is candy..but I figure if I can make it through to grocery day I will broken off from the candy. I even cut soda back! Going to try to run today--but I did wake up hacking again...maybe just a slow 3 miler or something...

From snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:00:18 from 67.171.56.164

Salsa counts (though it's a stretch). Yogurt does not. lol I STRONGLY urge you to give up candy and soda. The effects on your health are enormous! http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/dangers_of_sugar.htm You might have more success if you line up some substitutes for those moments of craving. Dark chocolate (>65% cocoa), Celestial Seasons Bengal Spice Tea, and Medjool dates are my salvation. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.940.000.000.004.94

Objective: easy & slow, break in new shoes. (Tapering)

5:35AM:  35F, wind 5-10, clear.

20 min strength & stretch after

Pleasant run. I need to relace my new pair of Triax 12s.  I am planning to run the marathon in them, though a small rebellious part of my brain still wants to race in my Magic Shoes, the ST3s.  Feel free to yell, "What are you thinking!?!?"  It's just an urge at this point. After wearing racing shoes Wednesday and Thursday, my feet feel clunky and heavy in these trainers, even though they are new. :(

Veggie challenge, so far successful.

Triax 12 II Miles: 4.94
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From jefferey on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:22:46 from 67.171.56.220

i'm amazed at how many men i know who hate veggies. we had a garden growing up and i learned to love them...typing this with one hand as nova is sitting on my lap

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:10:40 from 71.229.164.25

Good job on the veggie challenge and good luck with the shoes. I'm very interested in your shoe experiences for selfish reasons. Maybe some day I can be the queen of shoes like you.

From montelepsy on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 14:13:23 from 217.68.199.130

I'll take your veggie challenge. Let the throwdown begin! I see your carrot and I raise you an eggplant.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 16:09:22 from 67.171.56.164

Prepare yourself for the challenge then! I had 3 by 1pm today. :D

From montelepsy on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:58:46 from 217.68.199.130

25 Apr

Breakfast: mushroom/tomato omelette

Lunch: steamed cauliflower/carrots and raw cucumbers/tomatoes/onions

Dinner: steamed beets and brussel sprouts

raw cucumbers/tomatoes/onions

Bring it on, Sno!

From jefferey on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 13:18:17 from 67.171.56.220

Monte,

That's only because you don't like to eat Camel meat :)

From montelepsy on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 13:22:33 from 217.68.199.130

I haven't tried it, and I don't think I ever will. I've been to a slaughterhouse where they had some hobbled camels. And I walked into someone's office where they had a picture of a camel's head removed from it's body. I let out an unvoluntary noise.

From jefferey on Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 23:08:06 from 67.171.56.220

Check out this breakfast after my long run. Onions, green and red and yellow and orange pepper, some bacon 3 eggs and cheese. Oh baby! That is some good vegetation- It weighed about 3 lbs. after being cooked.

From april27 on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:46:44 from 99.188.251.180

I never knew camel was even edible...

Sno--I thought of you today...and guess what I ate? for dinner--cooked carrots...yum! i have been eating more fruits lately...feel so good!

From snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:27:45 from 67.171.56.164

Bravo to all of you on conquering your veggies!

From montelepsy on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:02:33 from 217.68.199.130

Sno,

I'll stick to the challenge, but I won't spam your blog anymore listing vegatables. I'll let you know if I falter though.

Jefferey, you ate 3 lbs of food in one sitting?!

April,

It is my opinion that it is not. Bleh!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 14:04:08 from 67.171.56.164

Monty- no problem. Was that a play on words? Spam vs. Vegetables?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.850.000.000.003.85

Objective: easy

5:45AM: 39F, calm & cloudy

I am supposed to be getting a bit more sleep this week, but at 4:25 my eyes just popped right open and I could not get back to sleep. Not usually a problem for me; sleeping and eating being 2 of my specialties.  This was a crappy little run. My anxiety levels are rising and I felt tired and cranky.  And I must just put this in black and white: large Mexican dinners are not good running the next morning. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 3.85
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.325.000.000.0012.32

Objective: 6 easy,  5MP effort level on hills, 1+ cool down (14:08, 11:23, 10:41, 10:36, 11:01, 11:04 // 10:17, 9:14, 9:46, 9:55, 9:34 // 9:50, 11:19)

8AM:  38F rising to 45F,  wind 10 mph, mostly cloudy w/ sun breaks

It was a bit of a weird run.  First I had a false start, when I got about 25 yards and realised the brand new running skirt I was testing would not work out.  I just hope I can get my money back; although I removed the tags, I did not sweat on it. lol  It is an awesome skirt for distance running, with cool pockets all across the back, but the under-shorts rode up on me.  I guess that 14 minute mile came from all the walking.  If  I cannot get my money back, anyone want to buy it? It will work well for someone who has less, um, "curve" in her thighs.  Size is medium (waist 27-29").

Weirdness continued as I seemed to have boundless energy during the easy 6 (had to constantly remind myself to hold back), and not nearly enough energy during the 5 MP.   The first "fast" mile unfortunately began with a half mile of up hill climb, and by the end of the mile I was going anaerobic to get the pace right.  That is not something I can do for 4+ hours.

After fretting over my pace for about 10 minutes I decided to stop Garmin Gazing and only go by feel.  Much happier. And considering the hills and the wind, the paces are not too bad.  They are also (mostly) not BQ pace, which is 9:20.

We'll see how the rest of the taper leaves me feeling, but at this point I am not setting my sights on a BQ in Eugene.  Not specifically anyway. In my mind there is a big difference between hoping and planning.   I am going to keep my effort at the aerobic level I was today, try not to look at my watch, keep good form, and enjoy the ride. I plan to run my first mile somewhat easily (~10:00), and when I get to around mile 23 I hope to push as hard as I can.  With 7 days to go, that's the plan. :D

ETA: Veggie challenge report... Friday 3 out of 4 (missed the snack), Saturday - successful. 

Triax 12 II Miles: 12.32
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From Bonnie on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 14:58:45 from 71.210.125.219

Sno ... I like the "going by feel" part, and I am glad it felt good. I would not give up on the BQ, I would just try really hard not to 'watch gaze'. I think you have a really good race in you, but I think you (like me - so I can say this) are over-thinking it right now. You have so much experience with the distance that you just need to relax and judge how you feel and how much longer you have to run (during the race) and I bet you will surprise yourself.

When are you arriving in Eugene? We are getting in on Thursday night - I was planning on going to the expo on Friday and just relaxing on Saturday ... if you guys get in on Friday we should go to dinner -- my 2nd cousin lives in Eugene too (she is a lovely young lady who is graduating from Oregon this spring).

Have a great week!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 15:37:50 from 67.171.56.164

PM'ing you on the Eugene details! How exciting...

From nicole on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 18:05:54 from 70.6.62.62

yippee for last long run! I am so excited for you and will be waiting impatiently by the computer next weekend! you will dominate! also, I also always have trouble with those spandex shorts riding up, they don't seem to make them for my body type. good luck this week!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 18:51:53 from 71.229.164.25

Great pace on the MP part, especially given a half mile of uphill. That sounds like a killer.

Too bad the skirt didn't work out for you.

I like your phrase "Garmin Gazing." I'm often guilty of it. On my long run yesterday, I would only let myself look at it whenever a song ended (I was listening to my mp3 player), when I passed a mile marker, or when it beeped at me.

I agree with Bonnie that you shouldn't give up on BQing at Eugene. Just don't make it the be all and end all. Have a good time and if you're feeling good, go for it. I think you've got it in you.

I've been thinking about whether I would actually go to Boston if and when I actually BQ. I've decided that if you BQ and I BQ this year and you're going to Boston, then I'll go.

It's great that you and Bonnie are meeting up. I really need to meet both of you some time.

From snoqualmie on Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 20:38:54 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn, I have two more shots at BQ'g this year: I am signed up for Seattle Rock n Roll in June (just for fun, bcz it's right on the heels of Eugene, but you never know), and ??? marathon in the fall, probably Billings or Bellingham WA or some other. Nice to know I have time to pick. Anyhow, it seems like I should be able to get my 4:05 in 2009. So yes, come to Boston you speedy thing!

Boston has so many attractions for me. One of these days when I'm feeling like I want to wallow in it (or celebrate? ), I will blog about that.

Nicole, thanks for your encouragement!

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:10:41 from 67.171.56.220

Sno, What's the course like in Eugene? Any hills? Cuz if there are...you're in the money. If not, you are still there from all the hard work on the hills here. I think you are going to surprise yourself with the energy left from whipping up on Old Man Winter...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:18:46 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks so much, Jeff. I'm definitely lovin' the words of encouragement these days. Taper madness nightmares have begun; trying to stay calm. Eugene is relatively flat, though I have learned that no race websites are really to be trusted. :)

From april27 on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:49:07 from 99.188.251.180

I think when I stress about time on a run is when I start having phantom pains and when I start sort of freaking out and having self doubt...sooo relax and have fun at Eugene...You will make it to Boston but you should have fun along the way.

The fear of "Garmin Gazing" I think has kept me from getting one...When I had the Nike + I was always looking at it....so I have gone back to my old method of bringing my phone with and I just get the average pace for the run and judge myself at the end of a run instead of during.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.850.000.000.003.85

Objective: easy

5:45AM: 39F, calm & cloudy

I am supposed to be getting a bit more sleep this week, but at 4:25 my eyes just popped right open and I could not get back to sleep.  It is very unusual for me to have sleep trouble. More taper madness I guess.  This was a crappy little run. My anxiety levels are rising and I felt tired and cranky.  And I must just put this in black and white: large Mexican dinners are not good for running the next morning.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 3.85
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:39:50 from 71.229.164.25

Take a deep breath. Relax. You're going to do fine at Eugene.

Your body is probably just used to get up at 4:25. Maybe you can sleep a little later tomorrow.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:50:23 from 207.225.192.66

Sorry you didn't get to sleep in... but I think your body is used to getting up at that time.

Don't let the taper madness get to you... you will do great at Eugene!

From montelepsy on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:55:23 from 217.68.199.130

I have never heard of taper madness before, but I sure don't want it. Especially if it means waking up at 4.

From jefferey on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:05:58 from 67.171.56.220

I learned the mexican dinner thing the hard way myself...relax, you got this thing in the bag.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 13:04:13 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, glad I'm not the only one.

Monty, it's like getting old. It sucks but it's better than the alternative.

Thanks everyone for the pep talks. It does help.

Forgot to blog this: Sunday Veggie challenge - success. It's not really proving to be a challenge except of memory: remembering to put the stuff in my mouth, remembering to blog it. (Public accountability, you know.)

From JD on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 13:45:51 from 64.65.159.206

Crappy little runs and large Mexican dinners...hmmm...

From april27 on Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 14:30:29 from 99.188.251.180

yes but the mexican dinners taste sooooo good! LOL...yes i have had experiance with this too...Great job getting out there..my doggies won't let me sleep past 5:30 or 6...usually i just lay there and pretend to sleep for a little bit...stinks when i have to work till midnite the night before...plus during the 'summer' it is so easy to wake up b/c the sun is peaking out so much earlier!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.322.000.000.004.32

Objective: 1 easy, 2 MP by feel - no Garmin-Gazing, remainder easy c.d.

5:40AM:  41F, cloudy, wet streets but no rain

15 min. strength & stretching

I wanted to see how it felt to run at MP effort after only 1 mile of warm up.  Can't say I liked it.  I rarely feel good until I've run 3 or 4 miles, but I won't give myself that luxury on Sunday.  But I think one mile ought to protect me from the "went out too fast" blues in miles 20 - 26.2. 

I also wanted to see what my pace would be if I did not look at my watch at all.  I only listened for the mile beeps to know when to start and stop.  MP mile splits were 9:27 and 9:11.  The first mile shows that I could not get into MP so early I think.  The second mile looks good, but I did keep the effort just a wee bit harder than MP to compensate for a few hills and the lack of race day excitement. 

Veggie challenge, Monday: successful (Good thing it's grocery day. I'm down to a carrot, some kale and a few celery sticks.)


Triax 12 II Miles: 4.32
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:07:20 from 71.229.164.25

Great discipline to avoid the Garmin Gazing and only listen to the beeps. I often miss the beeps, so if I'm going to need to change pace at a certain point I tend to look a lot at the watch when it's getting close to that point.

And great job on hitting more or less the correct pace without Garmin Gazing. You are going to have a great race in Eugene on Sunday.

Way to go on the veggie challenge.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:13:50 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today, good pace. You are looking strong for Sunday!

From JD on Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:17:44 from 64.65.159.206

MARATHON!

I envy you getting to visit Eugene this weekend, love that town.

From Bonnie on Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 16:35:08 from 128.196.228.134

Sno -- did you get your bib number yesterday?

Good job on no garmin gazing!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 19:44:26 from 67.171.56.164

Yep! :D

From april27 on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:01:49 from 99.188.251.180

Is this a huge race? I only ask b/c when i ran the Chicago 1/2 it was hard to actually run until about mile 3. I felt like I walked the first three...I mean it went by fast but it wasn't until then that the crowd started breaking up a bit and I could actually maneuver around people.

From snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:13:32 from 67.171.56.164

No, April, it's not that big. 6,000 I think. It will be similar to Portland (9,000) which I have run 3x.

In June I am signed up for the Seattle Rock N Roll, just for fun. That one just sold out at 25,000! It will be the biggest I've ever run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.040.000.000.005.04

Objective: easy (4 days to Eugene)

5:40: 41F, mostly cloudy. Pretty morning.

Nothing felt good until the 4th mile, as usual. I'm trying to not worry about it though.  I will blog a couple of distractions, how's that?

I watched "The Long Green Line" (from Netflix) last night. It is a documentary about York High School's cross country team as they pursue their 25th straight state championship.  It was worth watching, though not a must-see.  Two things struck me about the story.  First, I am always just baffled by cross country running. These guys are clocking 5 minute (or faster) miles on grass and dirt, and I can barely make it across a parking strip without rolling my ankle. How do they do it? Is it those cool spikey shoes? 

Second, I found myself feeling uncomfortable and quite sad that there was no mention about a girls' program. (Rant alert.)  One of the main themes of the movie was the portrait of this coach and how supportive and caring he is, and how he recruits and welcomes even the "fat little freshmen." Every team member is important, with many repetitions of the concept of being a good person in life and how that carries over into running.  I cannot reconcile those sentiments with a complete disregard for girls' running.  Not a peep.  I know, the movie wasn't supposed to be about anything but this winning team, but the more they talked about boys' potential, boys' this and boys' that, the more I longed to see a girl running.   I probably have a giant chip on my shoulder about this, having grown up mostly before Title 9.  Plus I'm cranky you know. Taper.

Another distraction: planning some new goals for my next training cycle.  I have made notes on some workouts I've read here on the blog and I would like to try some of those. I want to work a little harder at fitting in at least one 10 miler on weekdays, perhaps two. I also would like to work up to my full long runs with my ST3 shoes.  And lastly, I hope to experiment with some homemade fuel recipe ideas instead of giving so much of our income to the Accel Gel company.  Need to buy one of those little 6 oz. flasks at the expo.

Thanks for listening.  :)

ETA: Almost forgot again. Veggie challenge: 3 out of 4, missed the snack again. But the bin is full again so I'll be ok until Eugene. 

Triax 12 II Miles: 5.04
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:39:12 from 71.229.164.25

Rant acknowledged. I haven't seen the movie, so can't really comment, but from your description, I agree with your assessment that it would have been nice to have something about the girls.

I never ran cross country (never really ran in school), so I have no idea how they do it.

I enjoy your posts. You always provide some food for thought.

From JD on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:02:49 from 64.65.159.206

When did they start letting girls run in high school? LOL!! I'm just kidding! Please don't take that seriously...

I like your palns for the next training cycle. Are the ST3's "racers" or what? Which shoe will you wear in Eugene?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:30:10 from 67.171.56.164

JD, whenever it was (letting girls run), it was after my time. My H.S. was quite small - no track program at all at that time, and the "PE" for girls was a joke.

The ST3s are racers that are supposedly recommended for distances up to marathon. They are my "magic shoes." I can fly in them. Oh wait, no, that's my 60's flashback. Hold on... I can run faster with seemingly less effort. ;) But I am going to play it safe and stick with my trainers for Eugene. Tooooo scary.

From Bonnie on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 14:54:45 from 128.196.228.134

4 days?? holy cow. How did that happen? Oh I guess I better think about packing.

have a good day!! see you soon.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 15:24:33 from 207.225.192.66

Sno, interesting post today. I havent' seen the movie so I can't comment on it. But as far as the girls running programs, I think that from what I see at my daughters high school there is still not the prgrams that the boys have. Also with the economy situation my daughter informed my that they are cutting the non traditional sports programs at her school. I guess they still have PE class but I can't really say if that is a good program.

From april27 on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 21:54:29 from 99.188.251.180

When was the movie made? Maybe that had something to do with the lack of mentioning girls...I didn't run in H.S. either..

Are you going to share your recipes? Yum!

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:06:42 from 67.171.56.164

2008. Here is a link: http://www.runningmovies.com/title/964.htm

I will most certainly "publish" my recipe when it is perfect! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.801.000.000.503.30

Objective: confidence building, last run of taper. 1 mi easy, 1 mi MP by feel, .5 mi hard, ~3/4 mi cool down.  Paces: 10:53 //  1 @ 8:59,  1/2 @ 8:18  //  3/4 @ 10:53

5:55 AM: 38F, wind 5-10 mph, mostly clear

Lookie there. I guess I'll crest 200 miles for the month of April, which I doubted would happen with my taper.  :)  

It's funny how my warm up mile and cool down mile were run at the exact same pace.  That is a fast warm up mile for me, and Sunday will have to be even faster. 

The workout I did on Tuesday started out the same as today's (1 mi easy, 2nd @ MP effort) but look how much faster today's pace was: 10:53 and 8:59 compared to 11:45 and 9:27.  I credit the improvement partly to tapering and partly to the shoes. These Nike Lunars are the lightest and fastest shoe I have.  (Too bad I can't run in these for 26.2!)  You can watch Kara Goucher doing a 20  mile workout in what looks like Lunars here.  I ran with my iPod today too (rare for me), just to give my brain that extra boost. 

So that's it for me for a couple of days. I don't know how soon I'll have internet access after my marathon, but I'll let you all know how it went as soon as I can. You blog-friends have been a very important part of my life and my training. Thank you for caring about me, putting up with my long-winded entries, and giving me the benefits of your advice and friendship.  Cheers.

Edited to add:  I just had to add this video, which I just found.  This is what our blog community is like, with Sasha's code being the earphones we all wear. Stick with the video, it takes a couple of minutes to get interesting!

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 3.30
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:58:20 from 71.229.164.25

The money's in the bank. The hay is in the barn.

Have a great race. You've done the work. Now enjoy the pay off.

I'll be thinking of you a lot the next few days and waiting anxiously for your race report.

From Bonnie on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:08:05 from 71.210.112.242

Good job Sno ... the taper seems to be working for you!

Pack, relax, relax, relax.

We are leaving this afternoon. See you tomorrow.

From Bill Mandler on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:11:45 from 24.119.13.42

Good luck in your race this weekend! You have put in the miles and now it's time to cash them in!!!

From JD on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:16:57 from 64.65.159.206

Thank YOU Snoqualmie for all the insightful blogging and consistent example. You're training is an inspiration to me - have a great weekend!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:29:27 from 207.225.192.66

Whoot WHooot!! and cheers to you!! you have put in all teh hard work, now relax and have a great race. I love reading your long winded blog, and can't wait for the play-by-play of your race report. Have a wonderful time... and did I mention relax :)

From snoqualmie on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:45:30 from 67.171.56.164

Just added a link to express my gratitude for how you all "stand by me," and hoping I do the same for you! :)

From jefferey on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 14:15:59 from 63.231.49.43

Looking forward to seeing your best efforts and if that qualifies you for Boston it will be that much better. Either way you've done what you can :)

From montelepsy on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 16:22:43 from 64.235.121.163

My spam comment was not an intentional play on words. And I enjoyed the video.

From nicole on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 18:02:02 from 68.26.15.110

good luck good luck good luck good luck!! but most of all ENJOY it and HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!

From Kelli on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 19:03:47 from 71.219.69.60

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!!!! I can not wait to read all about it. I LOVE your race reports!

From april27 on Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 23:06:25 from 99.188.251.180

I can't wait till your race report! Best of luck and don't think too much!

Race: Eugene Marathon (26.2 Miles) 04:38:20
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.200.000.0026.20

Time 4:38:20  --  div 30/63
Rain, showers, and sun, 40s-50s F, humid, breezy at times.
4 Accel gels + Gatorade on the course

HOW NOT TO RUN A MARATHON
Splits (1) 9:52  --  (2) 9:04  --  (3) 9:47  --  (4) 9:28  --  (5) 9:40  --  (6) 9:29   --  (7) 9:20  --  (8) 9:27  --  (9) 10:02  -- (10)  9:41  --  (11) 9:58   --  (12) 9:37  --  (13) 10:01  --  (14) 9:47  --  (15) 9:55  --  (16) 10:29  --  (17) 11:07  --  (18) 10:55  --  (19) 14:08 (bathroom stop)  --  (20) 11:36  --  (21) 11:48 --  (22) 12:25  --  (23) 13:35  --  (24) 12:02  --  (25) 11:43  --  (26) 11:31
Chip mat splits:  5K=29:39, 10K=59:08,  Half=2:06:19,  30K=3:08:26,  40K=4:21:22

What a disappointment.  The agony of it came as it was happening. The sorrow came in the shower afterward. (I was wet anyway...) Now, it is time to think, analyze, and try to understand what happened.  If I had to explain it in a couple of words: leg cramps. But why? and how? still hang in the air.

I felt good on race day. I think my training went pretty well (I always wish I did more).  I ate well and tapered as usual leading up to the race.  The odds seemed to be in my favor and I expected good things to come.

Before I looked at my splits, and even as early in the race as mile 12, I would have said that I pushed my pace too early.  But the splits don’t seem to support that. I was planning to run my first mile  at around 10:00, and the pace is pretty close to that. The effort level must have been harder (there was a hill there).  Mile 2 is definitely too fast.  I had a plan to get pretty close to 9:10-9:20 by mile 2 or 3.  The splits don’t show that, and yet I remember the pace feeling kind of vigorous.  (I am very glad I wore my usual shoes --some of you know I considered another --or I might have blamed all this on a stupid shoe choice.)

I am inclined to say I don’t believe in “just having a bad day.”  But I guess what I mean is that I don’t think “having a bad day” swoops down invisibly on people who feel great and have trained fairly well.  It happens when you wake up feeling “off,” or are not feeling well --- but then there is Making a Mistake.  I may have made a mistake.  I wish I had structured my race plan closer to the way I ran CIM in December, with several easy miles at the start.  I let myself believe I could do it differently and succeed. The splits don’t show speed, but in my mind I was pushing and feeling some tension.  Why it does not show in the splits I cannot really say, except maybe that maneuvering through the crowd took more energy than I knew at the time. Of course, I could be wrong, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense for what came later.  Or maybe I was just completely delusional about my goal pace.  I’ll never know for sure.

Pre-race:  It was so great meeting Bonnie!! We hung out with her and Dean and had dinner together on Friday night.  The expo was fun, and I enjoyed the speakers: some local Eugene coaches, Brad Hudson, Dathan Ritzenhein, Mary Decker Slaney, and Kathy Twomy Bellamy.   The pasta feed was so-so (aren’t they all?). The expo was small but adequate; packet pickup was very organized and easy.  Favorite quote from one of the expo speakers: “Don’t be braver than you are smart.”

Race: The start area was well organized, with 2 corrals, for under and over 10:00 pace, and pacers with balloons within each corral. It was raining at the start (tapering to lighter rain soon after, then showers) but not too hard.  I wore a singlet, topped by a throw-away sweatshirt from a thrift store, and a garbage bag for the rain. I left the garbage bag at the side of my corral. The sweatshirt came off at mile 2 - I could not wait to dump it once we started running. The humidity seemed very high and I was grateful for the light rain.

In the first miles, and occasionally later in the race, the road surface was truly awful. In the first hundred yards or so, when we were packed tightly (couldn’t easily watch the ground), my right foot landed on the edge of a pothole and my ankle started to roll. I caught myself, and hopped over another pothole right after that, but if I had landed even a centimeter further over, I would have probably hurt my foot badly, fallen, and possibly taken other runners down with me in that crowd.  Even on the bike path, there was quite a bit of uneven ground and some kind of cobblestone-like speed bumps, very uncomfortable to cross over.  The second half of the race was “flat,” meaning no real hills but still plenty of little ups and downs.

The course was BEAUTIFUL!  Everything was so green and most of the course ran along the river.   I think the only course I’ve run that was more beautiful than this was Big Sur, with Yakima River Canyon & Deadwood tying for third. Maybe it’s just my love for the color green.  

The course runs mostly on streets in the first half and mostly on a paved bike path in the second half.  The hills came as expected in the first half: at about 0.5, 4.5 and 8.5.  The “scream zone” at around mile eight was a brief, unexpected rush of sound. We had to funnel through a kind of narrow, winding path, where there were suddenly crowds of people on either side. Since I had my name on my bib, I got the full force of their “encouragement.”  That was a trip, as the old Eugene hippies would say.  Since it was brief, I rather enjoyed it.

The steepest, longest hill comes at around 8.5, a hill which I went up fairly easily. But shortly after that hill, I began to feel less energetic.  I tried to ignore it, but a little later I started thinking that the pace felt too hard.  I started looking at my Garmin and sure enough I was slowing down.  But I pressed on, thinking “there are good miles and bad miles,”  a truth with which I am familiar.

I soon began to pass the 4:15 pace group at ~ mile 10. There were about 20 runners and two pacers, who were talking almost continuously.  I decided to run with them for a little while to try to get my energy back (not knowing that doom was about to strike).  This was a very interesting part of the run, and I wish I could have stayed with them.  The main pacer was a feisty, petite woman with a booming voice who talked about a number of interesting things (such as why your Garmin will always show a higher number of miles than 26.2).  I liked the way she was breaking down the race into mental sections and giving advice for each part.

Then it happened.  Somewhere between mile 12 and mile 14 my right quadriceps started to cramp up. I’m trying to remember if I have ever had a leg cramp while running. I don’t think so, though I could be wrong. It began slowly, but by mile 14 or 15 I felt crippled and the 4:15 pace group was gone.

I did a little walking while massaging the leg. Running again, my form became ragged.  At mile 18, I met up with the second pacer from the 4:15 group, who had turned back to help out with the 4:30 group, and he ran with me for a while.  I had electrolyte tablets, and he encouraged me to take one, which I did at the next aid station.  I also had to take a bathroom break, reflected in the mile 19 split.

The rest of the race was made of walk/run, a lot of leg pain, and a lot of tough emotions. My form when running was stiff and slow. Instead of being the strong one, like I was at CIM 08, I was the “road kill” being passed by other (smarter?) runners.  

Sometimes I think that the beginning of a marathon brings out the worst in some people, like the woman who elbowed me in the arm at mile 2, possibly by accident but I don’t think so, when I called out and gestured that I was coming to pass between her and another runner. But the final miles bring out the best in people. Everyone was so supportive.  At around mile 22, there was a man running past me, looking pretty strong, and I murmured  “good job.”  He did not turn his head at all, but began a stream of encouragement to me that was very touching.  Another woman who had been run/walking and leap-frogging with me came up behind me about .5 from the finish and said, “come on, let’s go, we’re almost there.”   I guess these comments seem somewhat unremarkable in cold print, but the way they were spoken, with so much sincerity, was very moving at the time.

Highlights: 1) Meeting Bonnie and Dean and spending some time with them.  Bonnie, you are such fun!!  You are funny, smart, generous, and kind. It was great to meet you. 2) The beauty of the Eugene marathon course. I definitely want to run this one again.  3) I enjoyed the Expo speakers very much.

In conclusion, this experience shook my confidence so much as to nearly overshadow all of my recent accomplishments.  I will spend some time in the next few days looking at my training log and my race reports from December - March. I need to feel the reality of those runs in order to internalize that this was an abnormal, one-time experience.  To put it in perspective, I want to list my marathon times to date, with that 3rd race of 2006 being my first attempt at training for a time goal (everything before that was “to finish”):
2004: 4:59, 4:37,
2005: 4:58, 4:47, 4:55, 5:09, 4:47, 4:57, 4:50
2006: 5:15, 4:55, 4:27
2007: 4:28, 4:17
2008: 4:29, 4:18
2009: 4:38 (this marathon being my worst time in three years)

Comments
From april27 on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 16:39:38 from 143.43.8.24

I think you should focus on the fact that this wasn't your worst marathon ever. Really you did good for the conditions and for being elbowed at mile 2. I think you should blame her! LOL

I love that the people at the last few miles took the time to encourage you even if they were running along. they said something to help you finish. I think that is so cool!

I hope while looking through your training that you find the reason that maybe you didn't do as well as you would have liked.

Also it will help to look foward to your next race. When is your next marathon?

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 17:00:39 from 64.81.245.109

Leg cramp could kill a marathon for sure. Consider this - you were really running a 4:12. The second half was not exactly running, it was limping, so it does not really count. You were limited by a cramp, not by fuel. A cramp at 18 or after could be blamed on starting out too fast or pushing too hard in the middle. But at 12 it is something else, it is just a weird cramp. I had one of those in DesNews last year from the gun and it kept getting worse as I went.

Recover from this one and try again.

From Kelli on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 17:13:47 from 71.219.98.88

Sasha put it so well! Cramping is a major issues and sadly, when it happens, there is nothing you can do but quit or finish. You finished and get major credit for that.

I am sorry this was not your race, but I am one who believes you do sometimes have an off running day. You can feel it while you are running and sometimes it just gets you. And running i the rain is not easy---many of us Utahns did it last fall and it adversely affected a lot of us!!!

I enjoyed reading your race report and your reflection. My heart goes out to you, I know how it feels to be disappointed when you have worked so hard (as does everyone, I think). You truly are an amazing runner and an inspiration to me for all of the time, effort, thought, and GUTS that you put in to your running!!! Thanks for sharing your experience with ME, I appreciate it and learn from it.

YOU ARE AMAZING, do not let one cruddy race get you down (you can feel bad for a minute, but I know you will get past it!!!)

From marion on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 18:03:25 from 71.213.111.242

I am truly so sorry that the marathon did not go as you planned..BUT... YOU ARE TOO COOL! You finished a marathon with poo poo legs! YOU RAN 26.2 MILES!!! HOLY CRAP!!! I am so proud of you, and you are such a smart lady. You are going to figure this whole thing out and beat it!!! I am so sorry that you are sad :( PLease know that among all these Super Hero runners, the imprefect or cruddy race can seem terrible, but it's not. YOU RAN A MARATHON!!! I am so proud of you. It requires a TON more character to run a lousy race on bummer legs than it does to run the "perfect" race on wonderful legs. You are an amazing lady with truly wonderful talents and abilities. There are a ton of us who look up to you.

YOU ROCK!!!

***I am sorry the race did not go like you wanted it too :(

From JD on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 18:28:41 from 64.65.159.206

Love your detailed reports.

Sorry about the cramping leg on race day. That does suck, especially that early in the race. You must have alot of inner strength to have pushed through that and still manage a 4:38 marathon. Great reflexes too avoiding a nasty spill in those potholes.

Karma's going to get that person throwing her elbows around like that.

Good to hear of the positives during the race. I love how a marathon can be a bonding experience with complete strangers who really know what fellow runners are going through. Great you got to meet Bonnie (and Dean), and spend some time in Eugene.

NEXT!

From jefferey on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 18:30:47 from 63.231.49.43

Seattle RNR next huh? OK, I looked at that one and decided to do a flat one instead. You are tougher than I am!

From Little Bad Legs on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 18:47:17 from 68.186.96.165

Great job! I agree with you 100% about the rough terrain the first 2 miles. I had a hard time with the uneven footing and so I can only imagine what it was like with many more people around.

Strange also that we both experienced leg cramps around mile 13.

At least the weather wasn't horrible like Saturday afternoon, eh? Sorry you didn't do as well as you'd hoped. Good luck as you recover and plan for your next one!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 20:23:38 from 198.241.217.15

You really did an amazing job to push through the better part of the race with a leg cramp. You are one tough cookie. I'm sorry it didn't turn out the way you hoped it too, but Marion is right that it takes a lot more to character to run a tough race on bad legs than a race that goes smoothly.

BTW, did you really run SEVEN marathons in 2005? What were you thinking?!

In looking at your two-marathons/year for the last two years, and the three the year before that, you always got faster as the year progressed. So I think there are good things ahead for you later this year.

You are an AMAZING, STRONG, GUTSY woman!

From nicole on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 20:37:15 from 68.26.15.110

I know how dissapointed you are but you can't dwell on it, you were trained, you were ready! it was just a terrible day with a terrible cramp, like Sasha said, you were running a 4:12. you are AMAZING and you should be proud that you finished the race despite the agony.

Rock n Roll here you come! Maybe I'll be giving you gatorades at it! :-) you're AWESOME and don't forget it!

From nicole on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 20:38:44 from 68.26.15.110

PS - In the last 3 years your first marathon was the slowest of the year. so that was just your warm-up!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 20:43:13 from 71.219.144.7

Sno, I'm sorry to hear that you struggled at the marathon. I love reading your reports and this one is especially moving. We all have been in that struggle, everyone that has run a marathon has. That is why some people will never accomplish it. I still think you are amazing.

Your comment on the beauty of the course makes my want to run it. Utah is usually not a very green state, but with our added rain the past few days I have really enjoyed seeing more green.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, May 04, 2009 at 21:45:55 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for all the encouragement and kind words, everyone. Yes, Seattle RnR is next up, but I swear that one is "just for fun." For my next time goal I need a fall marathon but have not chosen yet.

Marion, "poo poo legs"-- thanks for making me laugh.

Carolyn, yes I did 7 in 2005. It was crazy fun. Long runs with free food.

From Bonnie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 00:47:16 from 71.210.112.242

Hey Sno ... I just got home. I tried to post from my Blackberry this afternoon but it did not work. Sorry the chili pepper did not work well. There is not much you can do about cramps - it is not like it is a failure of courage (or training in your case). Let's look forward and chalk this up to a bad race, the probability is the more you run the more of them there will be.

It was great to see you.

I really can't walk very well today.

From Bill Mandler on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 08:11:45 from 24.119.13.42

I am sorry that Sunday did not go as you had hoped :( I, too, know the disappointment of a less than stellar day especially when you have been looking forward to it. For whatever reason we all have tough outings from time to time.

You might be suprised to find that your next marathon (just for fun) could go exceptionally well because you will not have the mental stress of a performance goal.

Every race makes us stronger and tough, gutting it out performances like yours just go to show how determined you really are.

I admire ANYONE who can finish the race even when the odds are stacked against them. And I have run a marathon slower than this and been much faster in the next outing........YOUR DAY IS WAITING FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE!!!

If you are willing to travel, we have some great fall marathons in our area!!!

From snoqualmie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:00:20 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, I was going to ask you if your legs are working! Mine are worse today than yesterday, as usual. (DOMS) But tomorrow they will start behaving and I will be jogging by Friday. :D That's how I know I will run all my life -- horrible marathon experience and I STILL can't wait to get back in it!

Bill, Thanks so much for your encouragement. You are one of my blog idols! I would love to hear any fall marathon recommendations you have for Idaho. Nothing TOO hilly please. ;)

Thanks again, everyone!

From snoqualmie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:01:52 from 67.171.56.164

p.s. Bonnie, I don't blame the chili pepper. In fact, I was conscious of it and loved knowing that I had a friend on the course! I will definitely wear it again!

From Bonnie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:21:07 from 71.210.108.76

My legs are a little better today, yesterday was horrible.

When I told Dean how badly I felt that the chili pepper did not work - he said, "yes, that bad luck chili pepper, I bet you are glad you got rid of that" ;-). I thought you would like that.

I am sort of thinking about jogging a little tomorrow. I already feel like the pounds are just piling on ...

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:24:56 from 192.168.1.1

If you are willing to come to Utah we have Utah Valley Marathon in Provo on June 13th. It has gradual downhill in the first half, and does have a couple of short climbs. One nice thing about racing in Utah is that there is a good chance of being able to stay with a blogger, so that cuts down hotel fees.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:35:20 from 198.241.156.7

OK. I'll ask. What's the story with the chili pepper?

From Bonnie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:42:03 from 128.196.228.134

Carolyn, I had given Sno a chili pepper pin to wear as "good luck" (as I am now from Arizona and we have chili pepper everything here! I did not mean to be exclusionary.

From Bill Mandler on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 13:22:22 from 24.119.13.42

A great fall marathon down in Utah is the Top of Utah marathon in mid-September in Logan, Utah. The first half is a nice gradual downhill and the second half is fairly flat with a few little hills.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 15:17:41 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, That Dean is a riot. But you could not have given the chili pepper to a less superstitious person!

Sasha, thanks for the Utah info. :)

OK. You all can tell me this is childish, but I have a desire to do my time goal marathons on a flat(ish) course rather than downhill. CIM has a net downhill but is full of hills in the first half so that was ok. I just don't want to feel like I'm getting my BQ (whenever that happens) without truly being in "BQ shape." Go ahead, talk me out of it! lol But seriously, it's not a superficial goal for me. I want to *really be* that fit, without help that feels "fake." Does that make sense? Of course, I don't want tons of giant hills either!

BTW, I am starting to feel less inclined towards Billings. Suggestions welcome!

From nicole on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 15:33:54 from 68.26.15.110

what marathons have you done so far? have you done portland? I think its pretty flatish though not tha beautiful, if the dr/pt say its ok i 'm going to aim for that. Also, NODM is gorgeous and pretty flat!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 16:14:46 from 67.171.56.164

Nicole, Yes, I've done Portland 3 times: 2 PRs and one disaster. It's a good, fun race. I hope you get to run it!

NODM- Did you think it was flat? I found it to be a *very* hilly course, despite what the website says. I may run it again some day for fun but not for time. But yes, it's pretty. Anyway, it's not in the fall.

From Bonnie on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 16:29:51 from 128.196.228.134

I can "kind of" go down stairs, very slowly. Yesterday was really funny at the airport. Luckily it wasn't just me, there were tons of people walking around like they were 4 times their ages! One of the plane on ramps nearly killed me!

Today I can move around better but it is still painful.

I am supposed to do an easy 20` jog tomorrow ...

From Walter on Tue, May 05, 2009 at 20:09:27 from 76.27.15.208

Great report. I always start out fast and suffer in the end. You can get great advice from everyone and their dog about how to run and race. But when your out there going through what you have to go through its a whole new game huh? Even the best of the best experiance it! Ryan Hall had the best first half marathon of his life at Boston and couldnt hold on to dominate like I thought he would. Put another medal on the mantel! good job

From Mark on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:00:08 from 24.129.132.74

Sorry it didn't go so well. I think this was a one time thing. You have done so much training in adverse conditions that good things are bound to come your way. Cramps can be awful, they've certainly hit me before and can really just shut things down.

I loved reading your report and continued to be inspired by your dedication. I'm amazed at how many marathons you have done.

From montelepsy on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 14:45:47 from 64.235.121.163

Sno,

Covering 13 miles with a cramp is awesome!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 17:12:18 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Mont! The more time goes by, the more I give myself praise instead of lectures...

From rattletrap on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 19:00:05 from 70.193.5.212

Sorry you had such a tough race. Thanks for sharing the details though. I hope it helps you as much as it helps us. I'm sure your next race will be better. The Seattle RNR is going to be so cool, I think all the music and excitement will help you finish a lot faster than you think. They also modified the course again and cut out some elevation at the end too :)

From snoqualmie on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 22:04:18 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for telling me about the course modification! Now we get to go across Lake Washington I see. Are you running it?

From rattletrap on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 23:02:21 from 70.193.5.212

Heck yes I am!

I'm running it in less than 3:20:59 I hope...

From scotthughes on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:01:29 from 209.33.211.3

I just read you report on the marathon. Can I understand! My last marathon on April 18th was very similar. Trained so hard and had such high hopes only to be dashed by cramping calves. I was so distrot and down after the race. I missed my goal time by 36 minutes! I had high hopes of a boston qualify time. I thought I had done everything to avoid cramping etc.

I was so mad I wondered why I was even running. Now I am preparing this week for another marathon....taking a different approach, I am hoping to go out and enjoy the run..the beautiful course and take it slow at first. I also went out too fast and that caught up to me about mile 11, cramps at mile 15 all the way in to the finish. As I came down the last block of the race I was mad! limping, charlie horse big time and the crowd cheering me on. I dreamed about that last block and the excitment I was going to feel, and here I was almost crawling and I just wanted to cry!

I got over it, put it out of mind, at least most of it. I need to remember to run for joy and the times will come.

Good luck in your future endeavers. Keep positive!

From snoqualmie on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 00:03:42 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for those words, Scott! I've read your blog before, and I appreciate your thoughts. I sure learned a lot from the race. I think the overall result of this experience will be lots of tough workouts, but come race day - smiles and loving the run. I believe my time will naturally fall with this approach, and I'll enjoy my running more than ever.

From Dale on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 16:55:22 from 69.10.215.11

Wow, sounds like quite a suffer-fest. How did you managed to keep going that long with bad leg cramps? That's quite a feat in and of itself! That's the problem with marathons....one bad race lasts for a looooong time. But don't let it....you're training was solid and your tune-up races went well, just a bad race day. You'll have your day soon enough!

PS. Sorry this is late but I was in Greece on vacation. Great excuse, huh!?!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 18:03:10 from 67.171.56.164

Dale! How nice to hear from you! I still check your blog from time to time to see if you're back in the saddle yet. Thanks so much for the comment.

Greece - wow! Sounds lovely!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I took a forty minute walk this morning, now that I am not hobbling quite so badly. The difference in how my legs felt by the end of the walk was quite noticeable.  When I can go down stairs without bending over like a granny and clutching the rail I will start some easy jogging.  (But hey! I'm already going down forwards - that's progress.)  If this recovery goes like all the others, that should be by Friday. 

When I look back at the qualities I loved in the Eugene Marathon, I have a clearer vision of what kind of marathon I want to run in the fall.  I suddenly found myself not wanting to run Billings and had to tell The Support Crew we were not going to Yellowstone in September. Bless their hearts, they took it well. I don't know what I did to deserve such a supportive family. 

Now I'm considering Cowtown (Sacramento), Baltimore (I could visit my brother nearby), and Silicon Valley (I could visit my sisters), in that order.  If any of you have run these, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Marathon Guide seems to be mostly favorable on all of them.

 

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:43:44 from 71.229.164.25

It sounds like your recovery is coming along nicely. But you do have me a little worried about what it's going to be like for me in a couple of weeks.

I wish I could get you to come run a marathon in Colorado or Utah.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:09:18 from 67.171.56.164

My advice is to plan for some down time. Your legs just won't "work" for a couple of days, that's how it goes. I have perfected the sit-on-toilet maneuver where you reach down with straight legs and support your body weight on your triceps to lower yourself. Don't count on using your quadriceps muscles at all the day after (and possibly 2). Don't plan to clean house, garden or do anything else that requires legs. I *had* to grocery shop yesterday but I had DD to help a little. Once you have accepted all this as inevitable, you can relax and treat it like a little vacation! :D

I would love to run with you too! Bill made a good case for Top of Utah but it's got altitude. Someday (sigh) I will go back to being less picky and we will have a meet-up.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:06:20 from 207.225.192.66

Love the visual of your sit-on-toilet explination. :D But it's very accuate, quads are just not cooperative after a marathon.

I think both you and Carolyn need to run a marathon in Utah. (For Carolyn again). It would be great!

From Bonnie on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:12:10 from 71.210.108.76

It would be better for Carolyn to run one at sea level - she would even have an advantage. Even St. George with its downhill will be challenging for those of us who live at sea level (well, I live at about 2,500 ft but still I would find TOU, Ogden or St. George to be a challenge). Some people adapt more quickly, but it took me 2 months when I first moved to SLC just to be able to run within 15 secs/mile of my sea level paces.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 14:28:46 from 198.241.217.15

I'd love to run a marathon at sea level and I could maybe even get myself to California, but both Cowtown and Silicon Valley are Sunday marathons. I'd have to break my no Sunday running rule to do either of them, and I'm not sure whether I am willing to do that. Is there a nice low-elevation non-Sunday marathon that you'd like to do, Snoqualmie?

From Little Bad Legs on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 14:38:02 from 68.186.96.165

A 40 minutes walk--that's great! I've been thinking about doing Cowtown as well. It looks like a fun course.

From snoqualmie on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 14:44:02 from 67.171.56.164

Well, I do continue to look for marathons right now Carolyn. I'll let you know if I learn of a good Sat. race.

LBL, thanks!

From jefferey on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 17:03:29 from 71.35.171.85

Glad to see you ready to take on the next one with a passion! Good for you! Next year think about this Newport Oregon marathon as Sean says it's nice and flat and at Sea Level-

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 17:38:36 from 198.241.217.15

It looks like the Newport Oregon marathon is always on a Saturday. I'd be willing to come do that next year.

From jefferey on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 17:47:05 from 71.35.171.182

Carolyn- Glad to hear that as that is part of the reason for our choosing that one.

Snoqualmie - also, the Salmon Idaho(also a Saturday) one looks pretty good as well and it is in the fall. It goes right by my Uncles farm/ranch-

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 17:48:46 from 198.241.217.15

Regarding running Newport next May, that's provided we're not both running Boston next April!

I'm also up for Salmon Idaho this fall if the elevation is too high for you, Snoqualmie.

From snoqualmie on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 19:20:31 from 67.171.56.164

Newport next year is a possibility. It's too far ahead right now for my brain to take in.

Salmon ID has 1) altitude and 2) dirt/gravel surface. If I have my BQ obsession out of my head by then those won't matter as much, but I'm not counting any eggs before --heck, I can't even *see the basket* right now. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.

PM update: I can get in and out of a chair without holding on now! I miss running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.770.000.000.001.77

I forgot that it is possible to "jog" slower than you can walk.  It's great humor value. 

Let me tell you about May in the Pacific Northwest.  The first time I ever saw Washington State was in May 1980. The incredible verdure made a huge impression on me (even more than Mt. St. Helens, which was erupting at the time), and it still does every year  to this day.  Washington is called the "Evergreen State," and Seattle is the "Emerald City," so of course this part of the world is pretty lush.  But May and early June are simply unbelievable. Here at last is the payoff for our wet winter! :)


Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 1.77
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:50:20 from 71.229.164.25

Yeah! You were able to jog today! Congratulations.

Enjoy the payoff for your wet winter. That's fabulous. We've finally got a little green here, but I'm sure it's nothing compared to what you've got. You should post a picture.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:37:47 from 63.240.133.93

Nice to see that you are out and moving :) Way to go!

I have been enjoying out tiny bit more green then usualy here in Utah. I can't even imagine how beautiful it must be up there, please do post a picture if you can.

From jefferey on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:41:55 from 67.171.56.220

Glad you were able to get almost 2 miles in :)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 11:42:33 from 67.171.56.164

I'll get a picture for tomorrow! :D

From JD on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:04:08 from 64.65.159.206

Nice job getting a little running in. Probably feels pretty good afterwards eh?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 07, 2009 at 16:56:17 from 67.171.56.164

JD, Well, *I* didn't use the word "running." Little-scooting-non-walking-motion might be more accurate. But yeah, even just lacing up was enjoyable. My right quad (the one that cramped) is still sore so I really took it easy.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.810.000.000.002.81

5:45 AM 42F, cloudy with showers. Recovery. Only the right quad is still a little painful, but the legs are super weak.  20 min core & upper body, stretching

Another shuffling little joglet.  There were an amazing number of unfamiliar runners out this morning.  The good Sno welcomes them warmly; the evil Sno asks in her mind, "Where were you when it was dark and cold and icy?"  Bad Sno!

Whine Department.  1) The roadwork that has shut down the express lanes on I-90 makes it necessary that my DH leave 10 minutes earlier on his non-carpool days.  For now, it doesn't make much difference, but in the next two months or so it means getting up even (groan) earlier.   2) My daughter has the flu.  I've spent the past 36 hours trying to keep her hydrated and comfortable.  Poor thing. 

Here is a little tidbit about marathons.  The full distance of 26.2 is certified, but the individual miles are not. That means there could be slightly short or long miles. Also, always cut the tangent when it is safe and legal to do so. Don't go outside traffic cones or swerve into people, but whenever there is a bend or turn, take the shortest path; over such a long distance as 26.2 you will really save a lot of steps.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 2.81
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From jun on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 10:18:40 from 66.239.250.209

If I run backwards for half of the marathon am I really only doing 13.1? I need all the help I can get. Thanks for the advice.

From Bonnie on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 10:18:53 from 71.210.108.76

I am pretty sure that the tangents are why I ran 29 seconds slower than my target on Sunday. But, sometimes (especially on Sunday with the turns and uneven road) running on the tangents is harder on the legs.

Glad you were able to jog a little today!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 10:32:46 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad to see that you're out running, or something approximating running.

I'm sorry to hear about the road construction and the sick daughter. I hope she recovers quickly. I'm afraid it's not possible for the road construction to recovery quickly, but maybe we can just hope that it doesn't get delayed.

Thanks for the reminder about tangents. I'll try to run the tangents as much as possible at Ogden.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:03:37 from 207.225.192.66

Good to see you out and moving today! Hope you quad starts feeling better soon.

Also, hope you daughter gets better. My youngest came home from her vacation with her sister last night, and she is not feeling 100% either. Hope I don't get sick before the marathon. I have been washing my hands often.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:07:59 from 67.171.56.164

Jun, I think you have to run backwards *and* upside down. How's your handstand?

From jefferey on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:25:16 from 67.171.56.220

Glad to see...almost three! Yippeeeee! OK- sorry about that-

From nicole on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 12:13:41 from 70.6.120.194

haha that made me laugh. Bad Sno! get well soon to your daughter!

From JD on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 14:23:34 from 64.65.159.206

"Shuffling Little Joglet", sounds like a title for a short story.

Hope your daughter recovery well and comfortably.

From april27 on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 16:03:20 from 99.188.251.180

I can relate to bad sno--only b/c I said the same thing to myself the other day when I saw people out jogging and bike riding...maybe they should have offered me the use of their treadmill! LOL j/k i prefer outside.

So I have a question about after marathon recovery-do you basically have to start over again with miles? or do you build back up again a little quicker? I hope this makes sense...

From snoqualmie on Fri, May 08, 2009 at 18:15:46 from 67.171.56.164

April, You sort of have to do a "reverse taper," with 2-3 weeks of gradually going back up to your normal schedule. Miles can increase according to your legs' returning strength but the conventional wisdom says no "hard" workouts for 1 day for each mile raced. There is a lot of individual variation in recovery rate.

From april27 on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 00:46:53 from 99.188.251.180

Okay noted...There is a 1/2 in Madison, WI (first one) in August...I was thinking about running it but I don't want to run into my post race blahs like I did last year after my 1/2...so I was thinking maybe if I was in recovery mode earlier than Sept the winter wouldn't seem so horrible...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.970.000.000.002.97

7:45 AM: low 40s, mostly sunny.  Recovery run.

I usually do not run Saturdays, but last night it occured to me that Saturdays are a rest day, and I don't have anything to rest up from.  No reason not to go out and enjoy the good weather. 

The legs are only slightly stronger today.  Every step is still really slow, like 14:00 slow! It is nice to have no pressure right now, regarding time, distance or pace.  I did notice a mental pang when I passed other pedestrians and runners; the part of me that wants to justify everything wanted to call out, "I'm recovering from a marathon!"


Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 2.97
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From Bonnie on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 13:10:03 from 71.210.108.76

Great job getting out there Sno. I was thinking the same thing on my "hobble jog" Wednesday. My stride was nearly normal yesterday -- but I had this huge knot in my quad.

Enjoy the weather. I am ready to go into hybernation-mode here ;-) it is going to be a looooong summer.

From snoqualmie on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 13:31:00 from 67.171.56.164

You should rent "Running on the Sun," so you can compare your temps to something worse! I read that during midday at that race, they run on the white line of the road to keep their shoes from melting.

I don't mean to sound flippant. Already you are running in temps that would make me vomit. Bravo to you! Maybe you should buy one of these: http://www.amazon.com/HeatMax-EverCool-Cooling-Bandanas-Bandanas/dp/B0009Y01J2

From Bonnie on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 13:34:14 from 71.210.108.76

It is only bad when you are out in the mid-day when the sun is out ... in the morning and evening (after the sun goes down) - it is pretty nice, or at least workable. The sun AND high temps are super tough. Not nearly as unpleasant as Nashville with heat and humidity.

I like the bandanas -- I want a "bad to the bone" one ;-) - I saw one in REI once.

From jefferey on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 13:58:00 from 67.171.56.220

Sno, It was 35 down in Snoqualmie when my run started at 6:30. Brrrrrrrr....I thought you sent mr. winter packing?!

As I drove home from my run(that does sound kind of funny) there were a ton of people jogging at the ridge. Crazy good weather today. The mill pond was so beautiful at 7:30 this morning...calm and peaceful with the birds chirping. Spring!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 14:02:50 from 67.171.56.164

I agree, Jeff. Weirdly cold morning, but very beautiful.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 15:55:43 from 71.229.164.25

I think you should have shouted out that you are recovering from a marathon, or maybe have worn a big sign. That would be funny.

I'm glad you got out there today. You'll be back to normal very soon.

We had a lot of runners out this morning too. The warmer weather is bringing out the people that have been inside on the treadmill or the couch all winter. We own the road after all of our winter running.

From snoqualmie on Sat, May 09, 2009 at 17:50:35 from 67.171.56.164

Hear, hear! I should charge rent.

From rattletrap on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 00:24:14 from 24.19.93.139

Good job getting out there. It was a beautiful morning for a run. I was out at 5:30am and it was pretty cold here too. If you need to let people know you're recovering from a marathon just wear one of those 17 marathon shirts in your closet :)

From snoqualmie on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 15:34:08 from 67.171.56.164

Hahahaha! That's what I did today! (Sunday)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.650.000.000.005.65

9:30 AM  50s F, sunny.  Easy run.  Still pretty slow but starting to feel like a non-cripple at last.

Happy Mothers Day to all the blog moms, and Happy Beautiful-Day-of-Spring to everyone else.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.65
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From Bonnie on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 16:17:35 from 71.210.108.104

Happy Mother's Day!

And, happy Spring Day too!

From montelepsy on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 16:21:50 from 64.235.121.163

Glad to see you feelings of gimpiness are fleeting.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 19:07:09 from 71.229.164.25

Look at you going over 5 miles today. Yippee!

Happy Mothers Day and Happy Day of Spring to you too!

From april27 on Sun, May 10, 2009 at 21:41:07 from 99.188.251.180

Yeah over 5! Great job and Happy Mom's Day!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

It's a day off for me, inspired by Bonnie's article from Greg about recovery.  (Thanks, Bonnie!)  Since it's week 2 now,  I'm not sure it will make that much difference. But when I got to bed a little later than I planned, I made the final decision to opt for more sleep. It's kind of nice to have more freedom right now and be able to skip runs at random, but I also long to be back at it.  If only I could put that desire in a bottle and save it for those hard weeks. 

Here is a video of the women's finish at the recent London Marathon.  With all of the tapering and recovering going on this week, we might as well be entertained...

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:38:51 from 71.229.164.25

Enjoy your extra sleep and free time. You deserve it.

From Bonnie on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:39:19 from 128.196.228.134

wow ... that is just too close to the marathon for me, I was hurting just watching it. What amazing athletes these women are.

I think that week 2 is still an important week, maybe even more so, since last week we were unable to run harder than we should have, this week we probably can (but it doesn't mean we should). I would love to see the data on two weeks before the microscopic damage is healed, what this means is that some poor marathoner went and had multiple muscle biopsies taken during marathon recovery. Ouch. We used to do these studies on military guys when I worked with DOD in San Diego, but we were looking at diet and/or temperature studies.

Have a good day Sno -- I am finding that I am getting SOOOO much stuff done with the extra couple hours I have every day.

From Metcalf Running on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:42:49 from 207.225.192.66

Enjoy your bit of down time!! You have earned it all.

From jefferey on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 13:37:45 from 71.35.170.120

Lucky...you got to sleep in! I am now getting up earlier than ever thanks to Mr. Sun shining upon me. Keep us updated on your "plan" for this next marathon. Are you going to experiment at all?

From april27 on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 16:10:58 from 143.43.10.120

I think it is so funny to see these women running and all those people sitting there watching them run...we are a funny people!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, May 11, 2009 at 19:57:40 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff - no "plan" for Seattle RnR, except to enjoy the experience. When I signed up for it, I just wanted to be in the inaugural running and figured I could treat it like a long run with extra food.

From Bonnie on Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:23:58 from 71.210.108.104

ha ha ha 'long run with extra food' - I like it!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.780.000.000.002.78

Easy run.  39F,  showers and breezy. 

Pretty good run. When I realized how good my legs felt today, I wished I'd headed out a little earlier, but there's always tomorrow! And I do have to still keep things easy. 

Spirit of the Marathon is now available in "watch instantly" mode on Netflix.  (Free to Netflix members.) I saw a bit of it last night.  There are parts of the movie I really dislike. I won't tell you which in case it might ruin it for any who haven't seen it yet.  It's probably just me anyway.  I do love the way the movie was put together, the music, the Deena parts (of course), and the final scenes that show the actual marathon.

Going downstairs to do some abs and upper body now. 

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 2.78
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:10:44 from 198.241.217.15

Hooray for good legs! I'm sure your next run will be even better.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:14:24 from 207.225.192.66

Looks like you are recovering very well. I'm sure it will just keep getting better and better!

From april27 on Tue, May 12, 2009 at 22:09:37 from 99.188.251.180

Is the movie more of a documentary?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:14:45 from 67.171.56.164

Yes, April, it is a documentary. It follows 6 people as they prepare for and then run the Chicago marathon, giving historical marathon information along the way. Some of the most notable marathon runners of modern history are also interviewed. It is really put together quite beautifully.

From Tracy on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:29:26 from 209.175.177.37

I just read your race report, but decided to put my comments here because you are so inspiring!

It seems that you've used the time since your race to reflect and pick yourself up. I love that. You're just moving on with such grace!

It's always nice to see such a strong, courageous runner! I look forward to your next race report--it'll be a good one!

From rattletrap on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:31:21 from 24.19.93.139

You're right, the movie was put together very well. It is definitely worth watching. I saw it in the theater with some friends and I've been waiting for it to come out on DVD.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:19:24 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks so much for your encouragement, Tracy. I love running so much; I certainly won't let one bad day spoil everything. It still bothers me in the same way that a bad marathon 2 years ago bothers me: it's a waste of an opportunity and a ding in my pride. Thanks again for the comment. :)

Rattletrap - That must have been fun to see it with friends.

From rattletrap on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:48:54 from 75.216.172.126

It was fun, but they still think I'm crazy :)

From april27 on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:02:29 from 99.188.251.180

I will have to check out the movie...maybe it will make me want to run a marathon...LOL plus it helps that it is in myhome town!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.300.000.000.004.30

5:30 AM: 41F, mostly cloudy, dry.  Objective: easy run.  20 min. strength & stretching after run.

A very nice morning for running.  I haven't forgotten my promise of a picture.  I have taken a couple of pictures, but then I look at them and they just don't convey how beautiful it is.  Maybe you have to see it in 3-D.  And maybe it's only beautiful because I'm seeing the contrast from late summer through the winter -- months of yellow grasses by the roadside, where now every sprig of plant material is either green or covered in flowers.  Or maybe the camera in my phone is just really awful.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 4.30
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:31:00 from 71.229.164.25

You didn't comment much about the run, per se, so I'm assuming that you felt much better on this run than you have the last few days. And you went farther too. You're getting back to normal.

I'm looking forward to the pictures. I'm sure they're great.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:43:46 from 207.225.192.66

I think sometimes it's really hard to get a picture to convey what you see. I'm sure they are beautiful though.

Nice run... looks like you are getting back to normal :)

From JD on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 19:59:50 from 32.176.62.205

YOU ROCK!

(This is a general comment meant to indicate that I enjoy coming to your blog and seeing what's going on with your running endeavours on a daily basis).

From Bonnie on Wed, May 13, 2009 at 23:32:04 from 71.210.108.104

ha ha ha ... word JD (see how hip I am Sno?)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:08:09 from 67.171.56.164

Dang. I would really like to say something clever. Sigh

From april27 on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:46:31 from 99.188.251.180

i have the same problem with taking pictures...there was this gorgeous fog the other day over the farm fields...stunning...but do you think my camera could convey that? Oh no..that is too much to ask! LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.450.000.000.006.45

7:00 AM: 44F, fog, steady rain. Objective: easy.

Man of the hour: Jefferey.  I was less than two miles into my run when I had the pleasure of seeing him at one of the drinking fountains.  He was soaked through and had been bitten by one of the extendable leash dogs in the neighborhood just minutes earlier. What a warrior!  Jeff, I know you have that treadmill option, but I'm so glad you were out on the streets anyway and I hope it pays off big time in fitness and, um, mental fortitude. :)

We are all drawing up plans for building our arks here in the Northwest.  The rain has been relentless the past couple of days.  But everything is so green and lovely, not like November rain when one is surrounded by All Things Dead and Dying.  And we had fog! (You know my views on fog.) 

I owe my 9 hours of sleep and the  lateness of my run to the sad fact that my husband now has the flu.  Daughter has recovered however.  And I'm fine.  Like the shirts I saw in Eugene said, "It's a great day to be a runner!"


Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 6.45
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From Tracy on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 13:36:44 from 209.175.177.37

It rained a ridiculous amount here in Illinois yesterday (so much in so little time that our roof leaked) but today it's clear so far.

Looks like you had a nice easy run! Are you still in recovery mode, or are you actively training for another race?

From jefferey on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 13:47:27 from 71.35.168.152

Sno.-

When I saw you at the park I almost started laughing as I knew you would love the story of the dog...

Great mileage(on a really crappy day) on the recovery. I guess you don't have a whole lot of time to recover though with another marathon a month and a half away.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 14:02:15 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles today... looks like you are well on your way to being recovered from the marathon. You are doing another one in a month and a half? Dang girl you are tough.

I hope you hubby gets feeling better soon, I also hope that you stay healthy. I think for the most part Mom's have to be immune to others illnesses.

From snoqualmie on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 17:59:49 from 67.171.56.164

Tracy - I'm still in recovery. But any time I'm not recovering or tapering, I'm in full training mode. I found that it is WAY easier at my age to maintain fitness than rebuild.

Jeff - I had my eye out for that Spaniel-walker the rest of my run! Seattle RnR is coming up, but I am really not looking at that one as a race. Just fun. In fact, last night I dreamed that I was running it and someone said, "You're not here to work hard; you might as well ride the bus." And there was a bus and I got on! It drove me to the finish and there were no medals. Someone informed me that this wasn't the "real" marathon and I'd have to wait until the fall for my medal. I guess Subconscious knows what's up.

From Bonnie on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 18:25:09 from 128.196.228.134

Please give Mr. and youth Sno my best "get well" wishes.

From JD on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 20:38:24 from 32.176.146.190

Nice run today Snoqualmie. Glad you avoided the flu. I'm also glad you mentioned that it's easier to maintain than rebuild fitness...at 45 yrs. old, I need to remember that when I feel like slacking.

Have a good weekend!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.970.000.000.004.97

5:45 AM: 40F, partly cloudy, dry & calm.  Objective: easy run.

It was a pleasant run. My pace is still quite slow, though the legs feel pretty good.  That's the way it goes.  I did tackle some of the longer, steeper hills today for the first time since before my marathon.  I observed a weird paradox in that I climbed them at the usual effort level and was slower than ever -- but aerobically and psychologically  it was not a big deal.  I never thought "oh, this is hard" or "wish I could walk."  Just rose up slowly, like an elevator.   That was a great feeling.  I'll see if I can start getting my mileage back next week.

To everyone racing this weekend: I wish you all a happy, successful experience.  We are so lucky to have this great sport in our lives, and to be healthy enough to enjoy it.  Remember that as you run and have a wonderful time.  I look forward to reading all the reports as they come in. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.97
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From JD on Fri, May 15, 2009 at 17:16:31 from 64.65.159.206

Good recovery week. You know, if you count the week ending today, you've run over 50 miles since last Sat. through today.

We are lucky to have the ability to do this running stuff.

From april27 on Fri, May 15, 2009 at 20:14:41 from 99.188.251.180

Wow you are in recovery and you still run more miles than me! Aww to be like you!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, May 15, 2009 at 23:20:54 from 71.219.133.242

I'm trying to picture you rising up the hill like an elevator.

From montelepsy on Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:51:26 from 155.85.58.253

I will have to use that mental image when I see a hill again.

From snoqualmie on Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:18:39 from 67.171.56.164

lol It's a very slow elevator. Actually, one of my hill mantras is "Elevator up!"

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.410.000.000.0015.41

Sunny day. 50F rising to 67F, with a few high clouds moving in.  (Felt hot to my winter trained body.)  Objective: easy, rebuilding mileage. 

That was about the limit of what I can run right now, especially after working hard in the garden for a couple of hours yesterday.  Not sure that was such a good idea.

Now that I've had some food and cooled off, the temperature feels quite moderate. We have our windows open to prevent the AC from kicking on (cooler out than in).  But, man, when I was running it felt like an oven.  These early warm days are always a bit of a shock. Bonnie, I know you are probably laughing your head off, with those "cool" 79F runs in AZ.  It's all what you're used to I guess. 

Keep blogging, you Ogden Marathon runners! We need to hear all about your sore muscles and your post race thoughts.  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 15.41
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From Bonnie on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 14:53:21 from 71.210.108.104

It is all relative Sno ... I don't like the heat at all, I actually loved the winters in Colorado and Utah much more than the summers -- so, I do feel your pain. No matter what the actual temperature, as things heat up it takes some acclimatization to get used to it (studies suggest 2 weeks). Especially when you are re-ramping up your running, just a lot factors to get used to at one time!

Take care and try to rest today Sno!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 16:13:41 from 71.219.133.242

Sno... that is some good miles! You must have done a good recovery from the marathon.

I'm feeling OK doing a little of the 80 year old shuffle as I get up and down. LOL

From JD on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 18:20:12 from 166.128.146.200

Good long run today. Glad to see you recovered well as usual.

From Bonnie on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 19:30:12 from 71.210.108.104

Did you hear the news? Ritz and Hudson have parted ways!!! wow.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 19:53:09 from 71.229.164.25

She's baaack! I'm glad to see you out doing a long run. You must be feeling a lot better. Just make sure you get adequately recovered.

I'm sore but getting around okay for the most part.

From snoqualmie on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 20:41:06 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie- GASP! Well now I'm wondering whether I can remember any cold looks between them or any clues. I wish I knew the details. In particular, was it personalities or training issues? I'll have to surf for that soon when I've got more time.

Carolyn- Whoa, whoa, whoa... "getting around ok?" No hobbling? I think you might not be mortal. :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, May 17, 2009 at 20:53:05 from 71.229.164.25

Trust me, I'm mortal. At the moment I'm really bugged by the sunburn on my shoulders. I put sunscreen on, but I guess I didn't do a very good job.

OK. True story. Last night my sister needed to go in to town to the grocery store. She had had a busy day running a neighborhood cleanup thing and was too tired to drive, and so I had to drive her. It's not like I had gotten up at 4:00 am and run a marathon, or anything like that.

From jefferey on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 00:50:41 from 67.171.56.220

Holy Shnikees! So much for easing back into it. Sweet distance!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.700.000.000.002.70

6 AM: 50F, mostly clear.  Easy run.  20 min. strength afterward

As expected, the legs were pretty "dead" today.  It was good to get out and just loosen them up a bit.  Gorgeous morning.

Maybe it's because I'm feeling quite old today, but here are a couple of tidbits about age.

First an interesting article on Age Graded BQ Standards.   I learned about it on another forum, where someone suggested that there shouldn't even be a qualifying standard for 80 year olds: "they're 80 frickin years old! If they can run a marathon, they should get into Boston." LOL 

Does anyone get Running Times Magazine?  Speaking of older -- oops -- "Masters" runners, there is a piece about Yoshihisa Hosaka, the 60 year old record holder for the marathon (2:36:30).  He runs the same 2 workouts every day.  No hard/easy rule for him.  His workouts total about 20 miles per day, "with more than 10K at or faster than marathon pace."  It is a fascinating story, if only for a bit of healthy mind bending.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 2.70
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:38:06 from 198.241.217.15

Interesting article about BQ standards. I read the article in RW that he refers to and it was interesting to see what the result would be of implementing their proposals. If RW had been on the ball, they would have done that kind of analysis themselves.

I don't get Running Times magazine, but that guy's training regimen is interesting. I suspect that most of us couldn't pull of that kind of training. He must be a freak of nature.

From snoqualmie on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:47:35 from 67.171.56.164

I know I couldn't pull it off. I would hate running too much, I think. I'm correcting my last sentence - fascinating story, not workout. Workouts on the brain.

From jefferey on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 13:20:47 from 71.35.170.69

So you got to sleep in a little this morning huh? Lucky! What mileage are you going for this week?

From rattletrap on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 13:27:26 from 70.193.108.58

I think I would like training like that, but I'd rather stay married :)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 13:45:48 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff - That's a hard question to answer. I'm planning on my usual running *time* for Tues-Fri but I am still so slow that I don't know how many miles that will be. Probably in the 40s, up to 50 if my legs spring back. My energy is pretty good but I feel like I'm carrying a 20 lb pack on my back. I credit that to the continuing recovery and to the unfortunate fact that I probably *did* put on a couple of pounds from taper through recovery with such light mileage. I do a weigh in with my girlfriend on Wednesdays so I'm putting off the bad news until then (and trying to undo some of it). :)

Rattletrap - lol! But in a way it made me think of you, with your consistent 10 milers. The guy says that daily toughness is perfect training (mental) for the marathon.

From april27 on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 14:13:36 from 143.43.10.166

I was going to ask ifyou got a running mag...I use to get Runners World when I first started but cancelled it after the year was up b/c it was basically the same thing everytime and a lot more things for beginner runners...I'm not perfect but i would like a mag that would help me move forward (like this forum does) and not stay stagnet!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 14:30:03 from 67.171.56.164

Running mags are a bit of a shady business, imo. But if you read with a critical mind there can be a lot of interesting tidbits.

I just get RW from the library because I was tired of the shallowness but I still wanted to read it for the occasional pearl.

I do subscribe to Running Times and Marathon & Beyond.

From rattletrap on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 15:01:41 from 70.193.108.58

April27 - I think this FRB site is all you need. The only valuable thing I ever learned from a running magazine was how to beat a side ache and even that was on the magazine's website for free :) My magazine subscription fee gets donated to FRB.

From april27 on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 15:03:43 from 143.43.10.166

I just saw this article about flats...seems kind of basic so you may have already know the info about the shoes

http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=15817

Magazines--i was sort of hopeing that it was just RW and not all the mag...I stopped getting mag subscriptions all together b/c I felt that they were being too superficial. Checking them out in the library is an excellent idea in order to just get a little info with out having to spend the money!

From snoqualmie on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 16:42:24 from 67.171.56.164

RE Runners World, I like Amby Burfoot's writing, and occasionally they publish an article I will just love. But most of the mag is fluff. And not even good fluff. I consider them part of the Evil Carb Empire that exists to promote wheat and corn. ;)

From jefferey on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 16:47:45 from 71.35.170.69

I just read runners world online- Too many ads otherwise, although they do seem to have a lot online now too.

From JD on Mon, May 18, 2009 at 20:49:38 from 32.176.29.176

80 year olds who run marathons should have a holiday named after them. I wonder if there are 365 80+ yr. old marathoners (1 for each day of the year). I hope I can speak the word "marathon" when I'm 80!

Keep up the good work Snoqualmie!

From april27 on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 14:25:31 from 99.188.251.180

Rattletrap--I just donated to FRB...saying that was my magazine subscription is a good way of putting it.

Jeffrey--I use to read RW online but again it was just more of the same stuff. And the discussion boards are the opposite of helpful! I definately like this much mo' betta!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.720.000.000.008.72

47F, light showers, occasional wind.  Easy run w/ form focus and a yikes-I'm-late accidental fast finish. :)  20 min. strengh, stretching & Stick.

That was some fun running. Still slow but who cares. Everything feels great.  At the very end of the run I was coming through a short-cut path next to some woods and startled 3 deer, who "ran with me" for about 25 yards. Very cool, though I was sorry to frighten them.

It is a great gift to be able to amuse oneself with so little effort.  I had to stop at the park bathroom this morning, but I told myself I could make it a quick stop, no problem.  For some reason the bow I tied on the drawstring of my running tights turned into a knot when I went to untie it.  So I'm rushing and trying to get these darn things over my hips, and it's really hurting, but the whole thing struck me as so funny.  I could not stop laughing.  Every solution that came to mind made me laugh even harder, like the thought of trying to chew through the string.  I eventually did a Houdini maneuver and got free, but then I had to get them back on again.  It's still making me chuckle.  I actually had to cut the drawstring when I came home. Hope it doesn't ruin the tights' usefulness.

I think I've chosen my fall marathon, in Victoria BC.   It is a race I've dismissed, probably because I glanced at the elevation profile, which looks quite hilly.  But yesterday I was just browsing through the top BQ'ing marathons on this list and there it was at #11!   It seems the hills are more like gentle undulations, though after 20 miles I usually think any rise at all feels like the Himalayas.  The race is very easy to get to from here, and the area is fun to visit so Support Crew will be happy.  It feels right.  And I have decided to stop thinking "this is THE race for my BQ," and switch to thinking "little by little I shall arrive." 

 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 8.72
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:06:55 from 198.241.217.15

I'm glad you had fun running this morning, with the deer running with you and then the amusing running tights episode. I'm glad you're feeling good.

That looks like a really fun marathon. Part of me wishes I could join you there, but it's not going to work out. I'm thinking we've definitely got to do a race together next Spring one way or another.

From Tracy on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:08:17 from 209.175.177.37

I think life is much easier when you laugh about things that other people would get all wound up over. Life is funny--and glorious!

Great run! Just out of curiosity, what is your usual easy pace? When you run easy do you usually keep track?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:28:24 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Tracy. I don't look at my Garmin a lot when I'm on an "easy" run. My McMillan target pace for an easy run is between 10:00 and 10:20, but I never hit that until I've warmed up a couple of miles. My warm-up miles are in the 11:00-12:00 range, and lately even slower.

Today was the first time I've dipped under 11:00 consistently in a run since the marathon 2.5 weeks ago. The legs are willing but not able.

I don't list my paces very much here but feel free to ask anytime. I run on hilly terrain every day so I find most of the time that tracking my pace mile by mile is meaningless, even unhelpful if/when it puts stress on what is supposed to be a non-stressful run.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29:15 from 67.171.56.164

p.s. Tracy, are you registered on the blog? I tried to "visit" you but got dumped onto the home page.

From JD on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:32:23 from 64.65.159.206

Looks like a good choice for a marathon.

Nice running today. It's funny how bows always turn to knots at the most inopportune times.

From Mike Warren on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:59:21 from 207.50.149.221

Hey, thanks for the comment! You are hilirious, very funny story on your run today. It's nice to see someone that just really enjoys getting out. The Garmin thing, yes it was fun to run an entire marathon without looking at it. I have found looking can be really good or extremely bad. Kinda breaks your spirit when your working hard, take a look and not the results you thought. Good luck in Victoria, sounds like a very fun trip.

From Tracy on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 13:05:52 from 209.175.177.37

Thanks for the info about your paces--I'm always curious about how everyone else runs.

I do agree with you that sometimes focusing too much on pace during an easy run leads to undue stress. I find myself falling into that trap often.

And thanks for the tip about not being able to find my blog. I'm not sure why and I'm not sure what name to sign now. Any idea how I figure that out? When I search for my blog Tracy is listed as runner.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 13:16:03 from 67.171.56.164

When you are on your own blog, what is the url?

From Tracy17 on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 13:25:40 from 209.175.177.37

Aha! I never knew that clicking on my name went nowhere, since I never click on my own name in comments.

I feel really lame with what I had as my original blog url. So I changed it.

And now I also know how to edit a comment! Thanks!!

From rattletrap on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 13:46:49 from 70.193.166.32

Now I have this funny mental picture of you chewing through the drawstring on your tights :) I'm glad you got free before it was too late :)

From Kelli on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 16:35:18 from 71.219.85.34

Oh my goodness, you have such a great attitude!! I love reading your blog!

The knot story had me laughing because I can totally picture it!! I actually leave mine untied to avoid that problem, now I know it is real and I will be careful!!!

AND I love the I'm-late'accidental'fast'finish. You should wwrite a book, I would buy it!!! Have a great day.

Oh, and that marathon does look like a good one. I have learned that the elevation charts can be deceiving anyway. Go with your gut, you will do great and you WILL get there, I have no doubt about that.

From snoqualmie on Tue, May 19, 2009 at 22:44:38 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Kelli! I always love to hear from you. You're such a rockstar! :)

Rattletrap, Yeah! Imagine that. I mean, who can even get close to their bellybutton with their teeth?! I so wanted to MacGyver myself out of them, but it was not to be. Great humor value, though! I'll save that for a hard day.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.750.000.000.006.75

41F, mostly cloudy, calm.  (Rained  in the night; everything wet and fragrant.) Easy run.

Another splendid morning of running.   Project Magic Shoes has officially begun, and I will be wearing racing shoes for more and more of my training runs.   I believe that their effectiveness is not due only to their light weight.  It's the way they make the legs and feet work harder, or maybe more efficiently.  Or maybe both.  Anyway, I totally love running in them, even for a little easy run like this. 

Scary thoughts about:  How the Victoria Marathon May Have Gotten Onto the BQ List Without Actually Being a Fast Course (see yesterday's post):  First, there is a 5 hour time limit, which would tend to produce a bias in the field.  If you are a slow runner, you can sign up for the early start, but it still might limit the field I think.   Second, I just noticed that elites receive free entry.  I don't know if that would pad the field with a disproportional number of fast runners.  Elite is men @ 2:30 (masters 2:40) and women @ 2:50 (masters 3:00).   Shut up, brain.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.75
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:02:36 from 198.241.217.15

I'm very interested to see how Project Magic Shoes turns out. I'll be able to justify new shoes once of these days and the data you collect will be very valuable to me in my next selection.

I don't know what to tell you about the Victoria Marathon. It looks like a beautiful marathon and a really fun place to go for a race in any case.

From Bonnie on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 13:42:40 from 128.196.228.134

Sno ... think training not course. Since you don't want a downhill course I think you are just going to have to train and focus on places with good weather!!

Good luck with the shoes! Use a tennisball on your calves, they are going to hurt for a while until you get used to shoes with less cushion and stability than you are used to. Also, I have used quite a few low profile shoes (and run in Nike Free's a lot) in races and finding the right pair can be tricky. My favorite racing flats ever were the Brooks T racer -- loved them. But they wore out quickly (the soles get really hard quickly and then don't have any give at all) and once they did the caused the most incredible cramping in my foot ... luckily after the races and not during (10K). This happened twice with two different pairs ... I had basically worn them and even repaired them with shoeglue before racing in 4 cross-country races in 4 weeks with them before this happened the first time. Anyway -- don't be surprised if you have some calf tightness while you get used them (and make sure you stretch out well), it will go away.

From april27 on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 14:14:00 from 143.43.8.19

I'm glad you are venturing and trying a new type of shoe. I'm not that brave due to my body being sensitive to new shoes...I hate shoe shopping. Running would be a perfect sport if it did not involve shoes.

Thank you for your kind words on my blog today!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 16:30:43 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie - Did you give your talk yet? Did it go well? I've been thinking about you all day. Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I've been enjoying my Stick (massage thingy) more than ever! Right now the plan is to wear racers 3 or 4 times a week, one of those times being part 1 of my long runs. I know I can wear them for 10-13 miles and I'll build up from that. I'm lucky that my favorite pair is less expensive -$85.

April - Thanks for mentioning that. I was afraid I came off as too bossy but I didn't mean to. I know you will find the right way *for you*. And I'm certainly no purist. I just had a little ice cream. lol "Little" is the key.

From Bonnie on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 16:38:33 from 128.196.228.134

Hi Sno, I did, very early this morning - it was surgical grand rounds, those guys get up pretty darn early. It went ok. It wasn't the best talk I have ever given - but it wasn't the worst either! The topic is pretty interesting (despite the fact it did have a lot of statistics in it) and there were plenty of questions and comments, so I guess it was good. Luckily it is cooler today, so it won't be so painful to do my run later in the afternoon.

Thank you for thinking of me!

From JD on Wed, May 20, 2009 at 22:21:02 from 32.176.27.220

Good luck with Project Magic Shoes! I would like to run marathons barefooted...I wonder how many miles I could get out of each pair of feet...

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:00:31 from 67.171.56.164

Feet. The ultimate renewable resource. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.260.000.000.008.26

42F, clear & calm w/ waning crescent moon sliver. Easy run.

The regular training shoes feel slow and clunky after 2 days in the racers.  I am experimenting with a downhill stride that involves a kind of sinking down into the quads to see if I can get a better pace.  If I can find a way to feel more comfortable on my heels I think that might work well.  Towards the end of the run I was pretty happy with it.

The Cat Who Must Be Obeyed got beat up pretty badly last night.  Lately he's been fighting another cat who has come into our yard.   I know it's not the worst of his injuries, but a piece of his little ear is missing! His beautiful ear will never be whole again.   :(  Here he is when he was whole...

CIMG0611

Triax 12 II Miles: 8.26
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:35:21 from 71.229.164.25

Good luck with the shoes and stride adjustments. I'm glad to hear that you were happy at the end of your run.

Poor kitty. Are you going to post a picture of what he looks like now?

From Bonnie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:42:11 from 71.210.108.104

Poor cat-who-must-be-obeyed-by-humans-but-

apparently-not-other-cats.

I was surprised that Titus (our cat) has been keeping the bully cat next door at bay since we moved here. The cat next door was so aggressive that the first night we were here he was attacking Titus through the screen (Titus was inside he was outside). I thought this was a bad sign (I do indeed understand the subtleties of the cat world ;-)).

Have a great day Sno!

From jefferey on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:54:33 from 67.171.56.220

I saw you on your run as I was taking Tori to a job shadow but I didn't want to honk as that would have been bad form. Nice miles!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:15:53 from 67.171.56.164

If I get a picture of him at the right angle to show the damage it might be too hideous for public posting. But maybe I will. He had an abscess wound from a previous fight with Bullycat that was just about done healing - that has totally ripped open now. Nose and one eye are scratched. Fur is coming out in place all over his shoulders and back. Poor thing. He's sleeping right now.

From JD on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:43:57 from 64.65.159.206

Nice run.

Poor kitty.

Cat karma's going to get that bully!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:25:09 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, Honk anytime. I'd love to wave hello. Did you sign up for the running club? I wasn't going to but had a complete change of heart when I read the email. I'm in!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:59:20 from 198.241.217.15

You're signing up for a running club? I've thought about it from time to time but I worry about dealing with other people's schedules and paces. Since I always like to copy what you do, maybe if you have a good experience, I'll give it a try one of these days.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 13:07:31 from 67.171.56.164

After what you did in Ogden, there is no reason you should emulate me at all! There are lots of benefits to the club, even if their Saturday runs don't work out for me. (We'll see.) Fellow blogger and amazing, elite runner Sean Sundwall has just started this running club in my neighborhood. The link to the club is at this site: http://www.runsnoqualmie.com/ but beware- the site plays music! Click on Mt. Si Running Club.

From jefferey on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 13:45:01 from 70.56.85.102

Sno,

I never got the email but will go check out the club. Sean is really great! I ask him questions all the time and he gladly and usually quickly answers them.

Also, didn't want to wake up the neighborhood was the reason I didn't honk.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 13:53:57 from 198.241.217.15

You're still my hero, Snoqualmie.

That running club looks great. I wish we had someone like Sean Sundwall around here. I do know a woman who's a very good runner, but she's more into triathlons, and she is a professional coach, but charges more than I can pay. Sean's $15/month for coaching is a steal.

I like running by myself, but I think it would be nice to run with other people once in a while. And running with people who are faster than you is a big help too. That week I spent in Utah after the Canyonlands Half running with Sasha, Josse, Craig, and others was really a watershed event for me.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, May 21, 2009 at 13:55:03 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today! But poor kitty, I hope he heals up OK.

I checked out the running club, it looks great! I can't wait to hear more about your experiences with it. I wish they offered something like that here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.050.000.000.007.05

46F, clear.  Easy to moderate effort.  Long warm up.  20 min. strength, stretch & Stick.

More happy running in the Magic Shoes.  Gorgeous morning. 

It looks like I may have to do my long run tomorrow instead of Sunday, but I am still not sure yet. My daughter has a 4H event on Sunday but the leader wasn't sure when the start time was so I will find out this afternoon.  I can do my usual Sunday long run if we don't have to leave too early.  That was on my mind this morning; I usually don't like to run the day before a long run.  I like that long run to happen on fresh legs.

Which leads me to some thoughts about the running club I just joined.  I want to support local running, meet some other runners, and get those awesome club discounts (and the shirt!), but the Saturday runs may not work for me.  I am planning to go to the first one, next week. After that, I'll just have to play it by ear.  If there is a short run option, or if I can sometimes make that run my long run, Saturday running would work I think.  But I do love to sleep in on Saturday and be fresh on Sunday.  I know some folks on this blog run 7 days a week; if that's you, I'd love to hear any thoughts you have about running daily, adjusting, resting, etc.   I'm like a little kid when it comes to change. My first thought is "no way!" and then I slowly adapt if I know deep down that a change is for the best or unavoidable.   In this situation, it might be that I just choose from week to week and practice "being flexible," another nemesis of my inner child. lol

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.05
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From JD on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:39:34 from 64.65.159.206

You just keep churning out the miles! How do your legs feel the day after running in the Brooks? I'm kind of doing the same thing you are with the shoes, trying to carefully get adapted to running in a shoe with less cushion and "support".

From Snoqualmie on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:54:17 from 67.171.56.164

I have a bit of that hurt-so-good muscle soreness in my calves. But not much. How about you?

From montelepsy on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 17:26:40 from 64.235.121.163

What makes your Brooks magical?

From Bonnie on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 17:32:05 from 128.196.228.134

I used to run a 14 day cycle, where I would take a day off every 14 days. I got really run down doing it this way. I might be better able to handle it now, because I have more miles on me and because I am not doing the amount of speed work I was then. You are good at handling the extra mileage so you would be better than I was I am sure.

Interestingly, I actually don't like to be rested before my long run, it is sort of part of the "stressing" of the system for me (a part of the stress - recover - stress - improve cycle).

From Snoqualmie on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 18:30:48 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Bonnie. The last time I tried to do the stress thing (running the day before a long run) I was all excited because I read that it would simulate being tired in a marathon and make me stronger. But what happened instead was that I fell apart in my long runs and got very down on myself. Lost the mental game. But that was a couple of years ago. Maybe I'm strong enough to do it now. ??

Monte, The Brooks ST3 shoe is a racing shoe to which I'm trying to adapt for marathon distance. (It is made for that.) It changes one's gait a bit by engaging more of the muscles in the feet and lower legs. More hamstrings too. I love them and I always run better in them, but I have to work up to the big miles before I can use them in a marathon. The longest distance for which I have used them is a half-mar. They were great but oh! my calves were sore! :)

From redrooster on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 00:28:02 from 71.219.149.110

I will tell my mom you are a Richard Peck fan, she will think it is pretty cool her childhood classmate gets his books discussed on our running blog. I can probably get you an autographed book too if you want :-)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:04:48 from 71.229.164.25

So this is your third week post marathon, right, and you ran just shy of 50 miles. I'm trying to figure out how quickly to build my mileage back up.

I'm glad the shoes are working well so far.

You know I always do my long runs on Saturday and rest on Sunday. That seems to work really well for me, but the same things don't work for everyone. You could give it a try for a couple of weeks and see how you feel. It couldn't hurt to try at this point.

From april27 on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:08:18 from 99.188.251.180

I like sleeping in on Saturdays...but I am building up to do my long run on Thursdays ( i know weird but that is what works for my schedule) YOu really want to run 7 days a week? Why not take monday off? Then you can run with the group??

From Bonnie on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:10:44 from 75.164.106.34

For what it is worth, my "come back schedule" looks like this:

week 1 post marathon - every other day 20`

week 2 post marathon - 20-30` with two days back to back + 1 day 45` (two days off)

week 3 post marathon - 2 days 60` the rest 30-44` three days back to back (still two days off this week)

week 4 post marathon - 6 days of running, one fartlek workout, long run 90-105` (only one day off ~ 40-45 miles)

week 5 - 45-50 miles with long run and at least one fartlek run.

I expect to be at 60 miles, 2-3 workouts a week within 6-7 weeks, if all goes well.

I feel really good right now, and am focusing on fixing those "niggling" little injuries that have been plaguing me for the past 9 months!

Good luck with your recovery and I am glad that you are doing so well Sno!! Yea!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:54:00 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks Red - we do have all his books! :) (to everyone else, this is a reference to a discussion on Tracy's blog)

Carolyn - I think Bonnie's recovery schedule looks good. Mine is no schedule at all, just see how things feel and set the alarm clock as if they'll feel even better tomorrow!

April - that may indeed be what I do. We'll see. I have no problem with the idea of running 7 days a week if my body can handle it. I eat, sleep, and hang out with my family 7 days a week, so this would be adding just one more thing I love. lol I worry about the stupidest things though. "Will I have enough socks?"

From kelsey on Sat, May 23, 2009 at 13:55:25 from 75.65.235.114

Magic Shoes, I think I need to look into them!

From montelepsy on Sun, May 24, 2009 at 16:26:29 from 155.85.58.253

How much better do you do in them? Do they make them in pink?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.180.000.000.0018.18

45F rising to low 60s, clear and sunny, breezy.  Objective: endurance, easy but negative splits. 

This was a great run that went exactly as I had hoped.  After about 9 miles I stopped by my house to switch shoes (note my new short term running goal) and trade my gloves for sunglasses.  I am not ready to push my pace very much, but I wanted to just relax a little more in the first half and think about form and cadence in the second half.  Just a slight difference, and my splits were 4 minutes apart. Just right.

I tried two new things this morning. One was Rattletrap's Banana Routine, a banana at least 20 minutes before running. In my case it was more like 40 minutes.  That seemed to go ok.  (Usually start the run on empty.)  Secondly, I had my first experimental homemade fuel.  It was pretty good, but I have some tweaking to do before I reveal my recipe! ;) Get yourself a 6 oz fuel bottle if you want to try it. I'll be "publishing" it soon!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.23Triax 12 II Miles: 8.95
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From allie on Sun, May 24, 2009 at 14:46:21 from 208.110.151.113

great job on your long run. i loved the "trade my gloves for sunglasses"...a nice image that things were warming up.

i put a plug in for bananas at every chance i get, and i am glad to see that a banana went well for you today. superfuel!

also, i am on the edge of my seat waiting for your homemade sports drink to be published. i'll be watching for it!

From JD on Sun, May 24, 2009 at 14:51:18 from 166.128.84.117

Great miles today. I'm looking forward to your homebrew recipe. I always eat a half bagel, or bannana, and a glass of water before a morning run. Lately I've also been eating one of those individual servings of snack-pack pudding, chocolate. I've convinced myself the pudding makes a big difference on how the run is going to go!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, May 24, 2009 at 18:46:38 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad you run went just as you had planned. That's got to be satisfying.

I really like bananas. I usually have one after a run, not before, but I had several banana pieces during the Ogden marathon. I just worried about tossing down the peel and having someone slip cartoon style. So I tried to get them in the bin or way off the side of the road.

I'm also anxious for your homebrew recipe.

From Little Bad Legs on Sun, May 24, 2009 at 22:56:53 from 68.186.96.165

18 miles!! Great job. Looks like your fully recovered from Eugene, eh?

I'm interested in your homemade fuel as well. Until it's published...

From jefferey on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 00:37:09 from 67.171.56.220

That's more mileage than I expected so soon after a marathon. Way to plug right back in!

From april27 on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:00:06 from 99.188.251.180

I too am like wow 18! Great job!

Lately I have been hungry before runs so I will eat a banana or an apple...works great...I just don't like my tummy to rumble at me!

Can't wait for the recipe--getting tired of powerade and all the high fructose corn syrup!

From snoqualmie on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:53:47 from 67.171.56.164

I'll post a note in the comments on this entry when the recipe is finalized, so hopefully you all can get an email notification. Thanks for the vote of confidence! :)

From snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 10:43:12 from 67.171.56.164

The fuel recipe is here: http://snoqualmie.fastrunningblog.com/blog-Upper-50sF-mostly-clear-nbsp-Active-r/06-01-2009.html

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.270.000.000.003.27

47F, another sunny day. (How long can this last??)  Easy/recovery run. 

My Old Lady Persona was in full force this morning; that first mile was humorously slow and stiff.  I was almost warmed by the time I came home. lol   Just a toe in the water today. 

What a busy weekend it's been. Now I'm off to get everyone fed and ready for Folklife, where we're going to play a little music today.  Fun! :D

Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 3.27
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From Bonnie on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:40:15 from 75.164.106.34

have a fun day!!

Sorry I have been remiss in keeping up with the blog comments, I have 2 weeks until my grant is due and I am brain dead. Rest assured I am living vicariously through you. Hope 4-H went well yesterday for mini-sno.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 14:10:44 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad to hear that you're having sun. I guess it's your turn. We had quite the rain storm last night, and today is overcast and has rained some.

That Folklife festival sounds like a lot of fun. I know you play the harp and your husband plays the violin. Does mini-sno, as Bonnie called her, play an instrument? Are there other instruments that your family plays?

From jefferey on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 14:48:38 from 67.171.56.220

Today is sunny - tomorrow is supposed to be showers and possible rain. Then back to the good stuff.

From JD on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 19:55:51 from 166.203.122.132

Sounds like fun. Do you guys have a band name?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 22:49:25 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, No problem. Young Miss Sno had a wonderful time. I look at your weather in the paper every day. Yikes.

Carolyn, she plays percussion with us in the band. She is just starting to learn guitar. :)

JD, not that you would find us anywhere (no cds, no website, and we perform under the dancers' banner instead of our own), but we are The Bramble Band. We play for the Royal Scottish Country Dance Society. Oh, and we only see each other about once a year now. lol Marketing Dept. nightmare.

From snoqualmie on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 22:50:03 from 67.171.56.164

Oh - forgot. Jeff- I am ready for some clouds or at least a little fog.

From Kelli on Mon, May 25, 2009 at 23:28:16 from 71.219.85.34

Hope you had a fun day after your beautiful morning run. That is perfect weather!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.270.000.000.006.27

54F, cloudy and breezy.  Easy run.  20 min strength, stretching.

It sure felt like a recovery run, and I think I am recovering - from a busy weekend!  Too much being on my feet, too much noise, and too much sun.  Yes. I want my fog. But I will gladly accept these clouds instead. 

I read once that the true meaning of being an introvert or an extrovert is not whether you like being with people or whether you are gregarious. It is determined by how you reenergize yourself.  An introvert recharges her energy by being alone, and an extrovert recharges by being with people.  We are wired one way or the other from birth.  By this definition, I am definitely an introvert.  Mr. Sno and Young Miss Sno are the same, so we make a good match.  We all had a ton of fun this weekend, but last night it was like a tomb around our house.  Everyone with their nose in a book. So quiet.  So funny.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.27
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From JD on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:45:23 from 64.65.159.206

I definately fall into the introvert category then. Sometimes it seems I need a 50/50 ratio to stay energized!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:54:30 from 71.229.164.25

Congratulations on the clouds. We've had hte clouds and the rain this morning. Rain has stopped now but clouds are still here.

I guess I'm an introvert as well. I like being with people in relatively small doses. I like my alone time. Maybe that's why we like the blog so much. It's some social interaction, but not overwhelming and you can choose when to participate.

From snoqualmie on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49:02 from 67.171.56.164

Good point, C.

From Bonnie on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 15:53:59 from 128.196.228.134

I am, believe it or not, primarily an introvert as well. Though (as you know) when amoung a lot of people tend to be the extrovert. Dean and I spend much of our weekends (when we aren't working) reading ... so our house is very library like! When we moved this last time the movers were getting pretty tired of moving our boxes of books (5 tall bookshelves worth from home and 2 each for work) -- one of them said, "what do you guys need all these books for?"

From jefferey on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 15:58:09 from 71.32.80.238

Sno,

Intro here but figured it was because I was born the 5th of 8 children and didn't get much alone time growing up.

Glad to see the miles just keep piling up for you. Also love the fact that you put odd #'s all the time such as 6.27. For some reason I can't do that, must run further to even it out at a 0 or 5. Weird!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 20:21:08 from 67.171.56.164

I sometimes think reading is an endangered past time. Our local bookstore is always full of people, but we recently shopped for bookshelves at 7 furniture stores and found only one kind at one store. Every other store said, "no, but we have entertainment centers!"

From JD on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 20:29:25 from 166.203.157.216

What would the world do without books? I can't imagine trying to curl up in a chair to read a...computer. But maybe I just need a better imagination. Have you ever tried reading a whole novel off a computer? You can't "dog ear" a computer. Still, I love technology...

From Snoqualmie on Tue, May 26, 2009 at 20:31:10 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, I always just write down what the Garmin says. Trying to make an even number or rounding up or down makes me crazy. Crazier.

From Tracy17 on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 07:49:59 from 173.24.32.153

I used to teach Fahrenheit 451, where the government keep people "happy" by removing books and eventually book owning becomes a crime. While some kids felt horrified about the idea, others just shrugged their shoulders. Like, no books? No big deal. I always have my nose in a book. No books would mean the end of my entertainment.

I'm an introvert, my husband an extrovert. Imagine how fun it is when, after a busy week when I just want to relax, my husband invites his family over. This happens almost every week. My only alone time is running, these days.

From april27 on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:22:13 from 99.188.251.180

I am definately an introvert. I think that is another reason why I like opening in the restaurant. It is sooo quiet...Then it gradually gets louder. When I show up in the middle of the night for my shift it is so loud already and makes me on edge! I think my boyfreind is an introvert too...sometimes we aren't on the same "alone time" page. (like he wants attention and I want alone time or vice versa)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.250.000.001.585.83

47F, mostly cloudy. Calm and dry.  VO2 workout w/ "ladders:"  1-2-3-2-1-2-3 minutes w/ equal recovery times.    20 min. strength & stretching

I don't feel like I'm quite up for speed work yet, but I decided to do it anyway, to just go by effort level, and to make the first few intervals a little easier.  I liked the way that felt.
Pace for each VO2 minute was as follows:
9:01
8:51
8:46
8:53
8:54
8:57
8:49
8:49
8:40
8:53
9:18 (hill)
8:35
8:19
8:33

I have a couple of recommendations today, both of which sort of share a theme of living life to the fullest.  The first is the movie Yes Man. (Despite its PG-13 rating, I do not recommend you watch it with your young'uns. Thank goodness my 12 y.o. self censors and that she could see what was coming. She covered her head in cushions, and once got up and left the room. How cute is that?)  Anyway, we thought it was a super funny movie, with a sweet, positive message at the end.   The second thing is right along the same lines, it is the 2005 Stanford Commencement Speech given by Steve Jobs. I guess I'm behind the times, but I had never seen or read it before.  Have you?  Good stuff. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.83
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From Kelli on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 13:38:16 from 71.219.85.34

Okay, WOW, that was really good! I really liked the second story about finding what you love and not giving up until you do! Thanks for sharing that!!

My 15 year old saw Yes Man! before I did and told me all about the one VERY raunchy part, I was in shock!!! But, yes, it is a very good movie. Just blip past that part, it is short, and enjoy the rest!!

Have a great day, and awesome workout today.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 15:34:13 from 67.171.56.164

By the time the raunchy part got going, DD was OUT the door. By the time we found the remote to ff, it was over.

Thanks, Kelli.

From JD on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 15:41:27 from 64.65.159.206

Nice workout!

I'll put "Yes Man" on my list...

From Kelli on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 15:54:10 from 71.219.85.34

I have to admit I laughed pretty hard, mostly from shock that they put that in a PG-13 movie. It really has a very good message and is hilarious! I love the running photographers!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 15:55:14 from 71.229.164.25

That looks like a Hudson workout. How did it feel to put on some speed?

I'm not familiar with Yes Man, but I just watched the Job's speech. Very nice.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, May 28, 2009 at 07:51:49 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn, Quite frankly, it felt like I was carrying a backpack. Like I said, I'm not quite ready for speed. It was sort of a "test drive." :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.790.000.000.008.79

48F, clear.  Easy to moderate run, with a few hill sprints throughout run.  20 min. strength & stretch.

A nice run. Busy morning. :)

 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.79
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:35:13 from 71.229.164.25

Hill springs + nice run = awesome!

Good luck with your busy morning.

From april27 on Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:36:57 from 99.188.251.180

busy morning indeed!

From JD on Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:38:07 from 64.65.159.206

Good run! Busy is better than not most of the time.

From Bonnie on Thu, May 28, 2009 at 13:42:18 from 128.196.228.134

Good run ... busy keeps you out of trouble (?) maybe? ;-).

Have a nice day!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.510.000.000.003.51

Warm and sunny, 57F.  Easy, short run. Focused on form a little. 

I debated running at all today.  I am going to be running tomorrow with the new running club, and I have a long run on Sunday.  ("I seem to have misplaced my day off.")  But by bed time last night I was convinced that I would be happier having a short run today than not, and so I go boldly into this uncharted territory of continuous running days --- at least this week that is...  I do not know that I will want to run with the club every Saturday. 

I will be very surprised if any runners come to the club who are as slow as I am.  I'm not going to worry about it;  in fact this image is cracking me up a little: slow,  5'2",  50 y.o.  me and a bunch of tall, young bucks all meeting up in the parking lot.  Time to run... "Ok, b-bye! Me and my invisible friends will lead the slow pace group! See ya in an hour!" 

I have never run with a group, except at Galloway Camp back in the olden days.  And that probably doesn't count because camp personnel had to run with us slow pokes.  I have no idea what to expect or how it will work, so this will be a great adventure!  

Amusing link for today: The 53 Runners Commandments.  Have a great weekend everyone. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 3.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:46:58 from 71.229.164.25

First of all, congratulations on not splitting the infinitive.

Oh how I wish I could come run with your running club tomorrow. When will teleporting be invented?

If the runners in your running club are aware of those rules you linked to, someone will run with you (see #s 4 and 40).

I really like rule #30. It's really on point for the discussion on my blog yesterday.

Good luck with your continuous running days and your group run. I'll be really interested to hear how it all turns out.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:10:48 from 67.171.56.164

I thought of you with #30! Love that.

I am not too comfortable with #4 & #40 - it seems totally insane for the likes of Sean Sundwall to go at *my* pace. I have a distant goal of qualifying for Boston - he has an ongoing practice of qualifying for the Olympic Trials. I think that I and my invisible friends are going to have a lovely run!

From JD on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47:17 from 32.178.55.220

Some of my best friends are invisible...

At the beginning of this year I ran 46 consecutive days. My *rest day* was 3 or 4 easy miles. I liked the simplicity of getting up each day knowing that a run was going to be part of the day, no matter what day it was.

Have fun with the group run tommorrow.

Now, I'll go read the 53 commandments.

From Tracy17 on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:56:28 from 173.24.32.153

I liked the list of commandments, but number 8 needs to be updated. It hasn't cost a quarter to call from a pay phone in a long time! Pay phones are almost anachronistic these days!

But the rest of the commandments I like!

As for your running group:

1) You aren't a slow runner

2) There may be someone (or even someones!) who runs at or near your pace.

It sounds awesome. I'm curious to hear how it goes tomorrow. I hope you'll be pleasantly surprised.

From Bonnie on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:15:42 from 128.196.228.134

Have fun tomorrow, it will be fun!

Have a good weekend.

From rattletrap on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 18:41:34 from 24.19.93.139

good luck with the run club. I'm anxious to hear how it goes.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.490.000.000.005.49

Low 60sF, sunny day.  Easy inaugural run with Mt. Si Running Club.  Slow, slow, so slow.

I drove a couple of miles down to the fire station, where the MSRC was to meet for the first time. I came early and ran about 1.5 miles by myself on the flat valley floor to warm up, not knowing what the morning may bring.  My goal for today was to meet some other runners, learn about the club and not do anything that would jeopardize my 20 miler tomorrow (hence the drive down the monster hill).

About a dozen people showed up, and Sean Sundwall talked with us about what we would be doing and where/when we would meet in the future.   Each person introduced themselves and said what he/she was training for and what was his/her easy pace.   We had a handful of "9:30s" and "10:00s," some much faster, and then there was me at 10:30-11:00 and another woman at 13:00.   So I said I'd run with the 13:00 pace woman.  What else could I do?  I could probably keep up with a 10:00 group, but I  wanted an easy run today and the morning was starting to get warm.  I didn't want Ms. 13:00 to have no one; that could so easily be me. :) 

I expected I'd be one of the slower runners of the group. No surprise there. But I did have the pleasure of knowing how comparably fit I was when Sean asked whether anyone was planning to do a long run today, "like 20 miles," and everyone laughed. I felt proud inside that I was capable of that distance and in fact was planning to run it the next day.  

Two other runners (from the 9:30-10:00 camp) ended up joining our slow group. I still don't know why they did, but I enjoyed everyone in our group.  Our pace was occasionally 13:00, but most of the time it was much slower.  You should always be careful what you wish for.  Yes, I wanted to run easy, but after a mile I yearned to go just a bit faster.  It's hard running much slower than you are used to.  I tried to keep my form nice and "collected," as my horseback riding daughter would say.  In fact, I thought a lot about what a horse looks like when it is kept at a very slow trot. Graceful and easy but not sloppy.  Good practice I think.  

We ran on some lonely back roads (gorgeous wooded area near pond) which I would never run by myself for safety reasons. So having a group was a nice benefit in that way.  We crossed over the Snoqualmie River twice.  Then we circled back into town, made a much needed bathroom stop, and came back up to the fire station. 

All in all, I enjoyed the experience very much.  It will be interesting to see how the club evolves. I hope we can attract more members. Sean is hoping to have many more, so that every pace and desired distance will have more than one or two runners. 

One person missing from the club this morning was Jefferey, who is running the Newport Marathon as I write. Or done by now?  Hope it's going well for you Jeff!! 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.49
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From JD on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 14:57:16 from 64.65.159.206

Glad to hear the group run went well. Sounds like a good mix of paces etc.

Congratulations on running 7 consecutive days, looks like tommorrow will be 8 days.

From rattletrap on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 15:20:46 from 24.19.93.139

I'm glad you had such a great run with the club. I wish the Steilacoom run club had more going on. I am doing almost all my miles solo lately.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 15:28:29 from 71.229.164.25

It's great that you had such a good experience with your running group today. And you weren't the slowest! That was nice of you to run with the 13:00 pace woman. I can imagine it would be hard to run a much slower pace than you're used to. Interesting observation about a horse going at a very slow trot.

See, you are an awesome runner to be able to bang out 20 miles, which these other people couldn't even dream of.

Do you think you'll run with the group again?

From Snoqualmie on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 15:43:19 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Carolyn. Yes, I plan to run with them again. For one thing, the shirts weren't ready yet and I have to get mine! lol Also our membership card for the awesome discounts. We are meeting an hour earlier next week, at a new location. Should be fun. I just need to make sure I don't sacrifice my long runs.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 15:53:56 from 71.229.164.25

Would you ever consider doing your long run on Saturday with the group (if they'll go long enough) instead of on Sunday?

And it's all about the shirt anyway, isn't it?

From Bonnie on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 16:51:44 from 128.196.228.134

I am so glad you had a nice run with the group!

Great acclimatization to the heat.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 17:10:18 from 67.171.56.164

I would run my long run with the group if 1) there were people who were at my pace. (At today's pace my long run would take about 5+ hours - ug.) and 2) the long run in question was just a plain vanilla long run. Some of my scheduled long runs are progression or fast finish, etc.

From leslie on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 17:19:36 from 76.23.61.78

What a nice person you are, to run with the 13:00 min. miler, I know what you mean though, it is hard to run too fast or too slow, but nice to meet new folks!! Good luck on your 20 miler tomorrow!

From Metcalf Running on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 18:27:29 from 71.219.133.242

Glad to see that you enjoyed your run with the group. Sounds like a pretty fun group. Enjoy your weekend and have a great long run tomorrow.

From Kelli on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 19:45:38 from 71.219.98.183

That is great that you guys are getting a running group started. It makes running much more enjoyable! You go---hard core 20 miler runner!!!

From Little Bad Legs on Sat, May 30, 2009 at 19:56:20 from 68.186.96.165

Sounds like you had a good experience with your new running group. I'm sure the Ms 13 appreciated you starting out with her.

And you should be proud that you have the ability to run 20 miles! :)

From Tracy17 on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 19:54:36 from 173.24.32.153

It sounds like you had a good experience! Maybe you can alternate who you run with. I always like running with people who are slightly faster than I am. Maybe in a few weeks Ms. 13 will be Ms. 10:30-11.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.100.000.000.0020.10

I'm trying to find words (or possibly grunt-like vocalizations) to describe today's weather.  There is the official, pleasant version on the weather website: currently 68F, humidity 51%, mostly sunny.  Then there is the sun-phobic, non-acclimated runner girl version.  (Insert grunt-like vocalization here.)  I like those fluffy clouds that produce a shadow and bring cool air to the world. These things were like green house roof material. No shadows, no cooling.  Sorry guys, but I just have to whine for a minute here. I think I'll be done soon. This was one of the hardest runs I've done in a long time, if you don't count my cramp fest at Eugene.

On the bright side, 20 miles in the Magic Shoes!  The only time they were really not comfortable was on the downhills in the second half.  I either need to build up the weight-bearing strength or adjust my stride for downhill running. I'm so uncomfortable landing on my heels, and it just seems harder to do so in these.  

One of the reasons I wore the ST3's for all 20 miles was that I knew I'd be doing the first 10 slowly.  Today must be Mixed Up Blog Entry Day... Objective: 10 miles very slow and easy, 10 miles faster, mostly concentrating on cadence.   At about mile 16 I started getting so hot that I could feel my face burning up and I took many little walk breaks just to try to cool down. I prefer not to pass out.  Occasionally I found a street that had exposure to a breeze - ah!  When was going from simmer to boil, I just tried to make sure my cadence was high (180-190), even if it meant tiny steps. 

I've been eating grapes and turkey since I got home.  I believe I shall have some ice cream next.  :)  Then I have to cool off, clean off and try to revive a few brain cells to play harp for a potential wedding client later this afternoon.   Cheers!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 20.10
Comments
From allie on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 15:58:18 from 208.110.151.113

excellent run! way to hang tough in the heat and get through it all.

From rattletrap on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 18:20:36 from 70.193.176.124

It's amazing what a few degrees can do to a run! I think I may start doing my weekend runs later in the morning to get used to it if that's possible. Good job hanging in there! Those long runs take a LOT of commitment once things get ugly.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 19:05:34 from 71.229.164.25

It sounds like you really took the heat, so to speak. I think you should definitely have some ice cream. In fact, I might have some in your honor, and I didn't even run today.

We'll just have to trust Bonnie that we'll get acclimated to the heat. A breeze would have been nice though, eh.

Way to pound out the 20 miles.

From JD on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 19:14:53 from 166.203.148.93

The ST3's should have much less cushion in the heel, which is good if you're going for a more minimalist shoe. The modern running shoes, apparently, have so much cushioning that we learn to land on our heels more than we should, and develop an innefficient foot strike. So it probably is harder to land on your heels running downhill in the ST3's. But hopefully your stride will adjust, and be more efficient over time.

I've been trying to use my trainers (more minimal shoe), more, but it's a slow adjustment as I've developed some bad habits running in "too much shoe".

From Dale on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 19:22:52 from 69.10.215.11

20 in this heat wave? Brave, very brave. I'm trying to muster up the gumption to complete today's yard maintenance tasks!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, May 31, 2009 at 22:05:34 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, everyone! It's been a loooong weekend of events and challenges. I did get the gig by the way. :) A string broke in the middle of a tune and the bride looked a bit shaken but I assured her it's the humidity and I've never broken a string in a wedding yet.

Rattletrap, "once things get ugly." lol Love that.

Carolyn, you should definitely have some ice cream.

JD, that is exactly what I'm aiming for, stronger feet. It occurred to me recently that I never go without shoes, even to get up in the middle of the night to pee I wear slip ons. So now I'm on a bit of a campaign, trying to go barefoot or just socks more often. It feels *weird*! That is a bad sign, but I'm out to change things.

Thanks Allie, and I like the race picture better; glad you went back to it. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.610.000.000.003.61

Upper 50sF, mostly clear.  Active recovery run. 

Hello June!  My legs did NOT want to move this morning.  At all.  I just walked briskly the first 5 minutes. But I love how a recovery run like this goes from "cripple" to "stiff" and finally to "weak but functional."   

It was such a busy weekend, and I have a light, happy feeling this morning from having got through it all.  I meant to mention yesterday that we saw an amazing show Saturday night. (Great fun, the only challenge about it being the noise & crowds in the arena - hard for me.)  It was the touring Lipizzaner Stallions.  Wow. Incredible.

I am ready to share my fuel recipe now.  I used it again yesterday for my 20 miler and it worked well.  I often have difficulty with nausea when it's warm, no matter what I eat or drink.  There was just a bit of heat nausea around mile 18, but not too bad at all.  So I doubt the gel was a problem.  I would be curious to hear if anyone has comments about any of the ingredients, like "good grief, don't eat that while you run."  I would also like to say how much I love not having to deal with the trash and mess of those little gel packs.  The flask is so easy, and it fits really well in the skirt pocket.  Without further ado...

BACLAVA FLAVOR ENERGY GEL

Amounts are approximate.  Mixture is for a 6 oz. fuel flask. To be consumed WITH WATER.

Fill flask ~1/3 with water

Add dry ingredients to water:
A bit less than 1 scoop (scant 1/4 cup?) Whey Factors protein powder (vanilla flavor)
1/2 t cinnamon powder
Contents of 2 “Salt Stick” electrolyte caps (open the caps)
1/8 t ginger powder

Shake vigorously to mix before adding next ingredients.  The powders will not mix easily with the thicker ingredients...

Scant 1/3 flask Agave Nectar
Scant 1/3 flask Honey  (more or less honey to nectar ratio depending on taste preference)
1-2 drops vanilla extract
1/2 t walnut oil

Shake vigorously again, and before each time you drink some.
Store in the refrigerator.
Take a swig WITH WATER every 30-40 minutes of running. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 3.61
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:06:36 from 71.229.164.25

Hmmm. I would have to do some shopping as I have not several of those ingredients lying around. When you say cinnamon powder, are you just talking about the cinnamon I have in my spice cupboard?

Perhaps I will give it a try if I get around to acquiring things such as protein powder, electrolyte caps, agave nectar, and walnut oil.

From JD on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:25:26 from 64.65.159.206

Sounds like a tasty energy drink. Is it a pretty thick consistency?

I like recovery runs too in that starting out is always painful, but by the time you're done it's clear that it's done your body good.

I too am challenged by noisy, crowded arena's. Thusly, my rock star ambitions have been thwarted.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 12:56:37 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn, The cinnamon is what you've got, yes. I also recommend those electrolyte caps on their own.

JD, I was wondering why you're not touring. That explains it. But seriously, I used to be able to handle crowds and noise and now it's like torture. The gel is kind of the consistency of a shake. You can make it thicker with less water if you want to go hard core! I adore honey. I used to buy "Honey Stinger Gels" but they contain vitamin B, which has a stimulating effect on my kidneys - more sitting and less running.

From april27 on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:34:48 from 143.43.10.145

is it sweet tasting? does it taste more like honey? or the agave?

From allie on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 15:03:46 from 208.110.151.113

sounds good. thanks for sharing!

i downed a honey stinger gel before a race last year and it was the first and only race i had a POP stop---3 to be exact. my conclusion is that the gel manufacturers also owned the POPs and they wanted to see them being used to the fullest extent.

From snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:00:38 from 67.171.56.164

April, It's VERY sweet. That is why you should always take it with water. I taste the honey mostly. Agave Nectar doesn't have much of a distinctive flavor, imo.

Carolyn, BTW if you buy walnut oil, refrigerate it. It goes rancid easily in room temp. Great stuff - omega 3s. Good for salad dressing.

Allie, That must be it! lol!

From kelli on Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 16:21:39 from 71.219.83.192

I am so going to try that!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.510.000.000.009.51

58F at my house, pockets of warmer and cooler air throughout neighborhood (due to hills). A few clouds.   Easy to moderate run (4 E, 5 mod.)   20 min strength, stretch, & Stick.

My calves are still sore from Sunday, and it took a while to feel comfortable.  I worked on them with the Stick before I went out and I think that helped. I got to run almost an hour before the sun came up, which was refreshing.  This is truly a heat wave for May/June in our area.  It will hit the 80s today. 

If you need a smile this morning, watch this clip of a little boy harp prodigy.  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 9.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:01:04 from 71.229.164.25

I think we traded weather. I'm freezing. But I guess it's your turn for warm weather. Maybe you would prefer it a little cooler.

The harp kid is really cool!

I just noticed your new blog title. I like it.

From JD on Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:38:43 from 32.176.110.184

Good mileage today.

That video clip, how does a child get so proficient so quickly? I could barely pour a bowl of cereal at that age!

From snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:51:20 from 67.171.56.164

Yeah. Let's see, I was really good at climbing trees. I don't know this kid's story, but his videos are amazing!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.820.000.002.397.21

60F, sunny and breezy.  Temp rising as soon as the sun came up. Objective: VO2 & running efficiency (form).  Intervals: 10 x 2 min hard, 2 min recovery.  20 min strength & stretch.

I stayed mainly on Ridge and Kinsey streets to give myself the greatest possible amount of flat  terrain.  I often have a hard time staying on these two streets because I feel kind of stupid going around and around.  Each street is about 5 blocks long and the two streets are parallel.  Today I just forced myself to be boring and it wasn't so bad. ;)  

I haven't worked much on form for a while and I noticed that my arm swing was a little wonky during the intervals.  I have to really concentrate on swinging it straight back, and it helps tremendously with the speed work.  That's the arm the always wants to do a chicken wing - reform school for you, arm!   Calves are still a little sore but they loosened up nicely.

I read a great quote yesterday, something like, "Today is a gift. That is why it's called The Present." 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.21
Comments
From Carolyn Herlin on Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:51:43 from 71.229.164.25

Great job on the intervals.

Interesting observation about "the present."

I just gave you a heads up about what's happening with comments today on my blog.

From Jeff Howell on Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:18:05 from 67.171.56.220

Boalch ave is now a road again and not a pirate's plank. You can now go out there just check to make sure there isn't a major race going on this time OK? :)

I like to see the speed work. Sean is doing more hill sprints to work on speed....think it might work for you and me? Gonna give it a try-

From JD on Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 15:49:48 from 64.65.159.206

That's a good workout.

On my trail run on the fire break road, there's a nice .34 mile section that's relatively flat that I run back and forth on, sometimes a dozen times, to get more mileage and for a break from the hills.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 17:55:49 from 207.225.192.66

Nice to know that others run back and forth sometimes... us runners must be slightly crazy LOL

Nice run today, your posts always make me think of my form... need to work on it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

60F, clear and breezy.  Easy day to rest from yesterday and be ready for Fri-Sun workouts. 

The temperature will reach 90F today.  Ninety. Ug.  And I have to leave my cave for a homeschooling event.  But the good news is that today is supposed to be the last day of this freak heat wave and we should return to our normal cool spring temps over the weekend. Maybe even a bit of rain.  :D 

I was pretty comfortable in the shady 60F air on my run this morning, but during my negative mental wallowing about the heat to come I remembered how much I hated the icy roads in January, and more than once this winter I cut a run short because of being too cold.  Trying to appreciate the weather, I was reminded of the lyrics to a Montgomery Gentry song, "Lucky Man:"
I have moments when I curse the rain
Then complain when the suns too hot
I look around at what everyone has
And I forget about all I've got


Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 4.00
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:35:53 from 71.229.164.25

It's so hard to find that perfect middle ground. It almost always seems to be too cold or too hot. It's a challenge to remember being to cold when you're too hot and vice versa.

Good luck on your venture out of your cave today.

So does the planned Friday and Sunday running mean you're not running with the group this weekend?

By the way, it looks like the comments are pulling the blog nickname now instead of the name from the user profile. That's good news.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:53:32 from 207.225.192.66

I like the quote from the song. I think it's hard sometimes to remember just how blessed we are. Always good to be reminded.

Have fun at your homeschooling event. My oldest daughter is homeschooling her two oldest this upcoming year. I was surprised to learn what a great support group she has in her school district.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:11:05 from 67.171.56.164

The hyphen is Fri-Sun meant "through" - sorry, should have been more specific. Yes, I'm going with the group again Sat.

Lori - I still can't believe you have grandkids. That's great that they are enjoying their h.s. experience.

From auntieem on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 15:12:14 from 67.182.145.8

Love the quote! That's exactly how my mind was working on yesterday's 5 easy miles. Shocked to see it was 92 degrees when I finished! No wonder so tired.

Been working on housecleaning since my run this morning. Graduation party tomorrow!

Must get that nap

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 15:38:23 from 207.225.192.66

Sno... I started way too young, and then my oldest decided to do the same. It's crazy, but I have to say that grandkids are our rewards for not killing our teenangers :)

From april27 on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 15:50:46 from 99.188.251.180

I love that song! Thanks for the reminder about the brutal cold!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 20:58:49 from 67.171.56.164

Hey you guys, Auntieem is a buddy of mine. Go say hi and welcome her when you have a minute! Auntieem, you are amazing to have worked out in this. I just about melted today. Here's to early rising! (And tomorrow is supposed to be cooler.)

From Tracy on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 21:08:53 from 173.24.32.153

I'm feeling the same about the weather. We're lucky because it has been unseasonably cool the past few days here. 70s. But I'm sure it'll heat up soon!

Good run--and enjoy the training group on Saturday!

From JD on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 21:22:06 from 166.128.70.80

It seems all of us here on this blog are pretty lucky human beings really.

Me like blog.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.941.600.000.007.54

Low 60sF, clear & muggy.  Easy to moderate run w/ last 15 min before cool down @ MP, + chicken arm reform school (see Weds.) 

Sometimes we believe what we want to believe.  After a scorching day in the 90s, last night the weather suddenly turned cloudy and very windy, and we even had a brief hailstorm.   So, despite this morning's clear sky and absolutely still air, I believed that a long sleeve tech shirt would be appropriate.  Not!  Sweat bath. 

Hopefully more clouds are coming today - no more severe heat.  The worst is that my lupines, which were huge and so incredibly beautiful, were all blown over last night. 

Tidbit for today: optical illusions. Enjoy! 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.54
Comments
From Kelli on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:39:47 from 71.219.74.247

GREAT JOB this week! The weather has been a little weird here, too. Although not as extreme as you are getting it. but I loved the song you quoted yesterday---so me. I complain no matter what the weather (aside from today, which was PERFECT!!!)

And thanks for your little tidbits and links, I ENJOY them all!

From Kelli on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:40:54 from 71.219.74.247

AHHH!!! Sorry, I posted my comment but meant to keep going....I can talk all day.

Anyway, I am now seeing dots everywhere after that illusion. BUT SO COOL!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:43:44 from 67.171.56.164

Kelli - You are so sweet! I love when you visit my blog! I read yours all the time, and love your quotes, but I tend to just lurk and not comment often.

My favorite illusion is the one with the curve ball - unbelievable!!

From Kelli on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:49:06 from 71.219.74.247

I lurk EVERYWHERE! I spend all my free time on the computer!!! (Actually, I am always multi-tasking working on school and church stuff, balancing the check book, or loading pictures! The blog distracts me often!)

Have a great day!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:23:56 from 198.241.156.7

Good morning to you both, Snoqualmie and Kelli.

Great job toughing out the weather this week, Sno. And I enjoy your little tidbits as well. I agree that the curve ball was the best optical illusion. No wonder it won the competition.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 13:23:19 from 71.35.171.45

What is your target MP?

Bock, bock, bock....how did the chicken arm reform work go this a.m.?

I was wondering why the sweat was pouring off of me too...didn't seem that warm today.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 14:19:30 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff - My goal MP for fall is BQ pace, 9:20. Today I was between 9:10 and 9:30 most of that time, but it felt like 10K pace, very difficult. But that's what training is for!

Chicken arm is stubborn and furtive, requiring constant vigilance.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.210.000.000.007.21

Cloudy (ah...) 58F and humid.  Club run.  Turned out to be a progression run, unintentionally.

Today was the 2nd meeting of the new Mt. Si Running Club.  I arrived early for my private warm up of ~1.5 miles, as I did last week.  People can say "we'll start slowly" all they want, but it will rarely actually happen, as evidenced by my experience this morning.  

It was a small group that met over by the high school, and the woman I ran with last week was not present.  While deciding on partners and distances,  I voiced my desire to run about 5 miles starting at 11:00 or 11:30 pace, and gradually speeding up to about 10:30.  An easy run.  One woman who ran with a much faster group last week said she wanted to do that too.  Ha. ha. ha.   We took off,  chatting and introducing ourselves and I quickly noticed how winded I was.  Garmin check: 9:40.   "Uh. Are you sure you want to run with me? I'm going to slow it down a bit." 

In spite of me putting on the brakes from time to time, we just got faster and faster.  Wipe that grin off your face!  (You know who you are.)   Ah well, I had a great time and it was almost a marathon pace workout.  Aerobically, it was probably the same as MP since we were chatting the whole time, and running on gravel (which is always harder for me).   I still would have preferred a slower pace, but these club runs are about adventure and comraderie, so I am satisfied. 

We ran through old Snoqualmie out to Centennial Park, onto the Snoq. Valley Trail (soft surface), over to the North Bend elementary school and back again.  I LOVE this weather.  The clouds and cooler air feel so good after the freaky heat.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.21
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From Tracy on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 12:54:28 from 173.24.32.153

Well, even though it was an unintentional progression run, you seem pleased, as well you should be! You got your adventure, for sure.

We must have switched weather. This past week was relatively cool, but now it's heating up to beastly. Unfortunately for me, though, the cool weather was unseasonable and the heat is probably here to stay :(

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 14:17:15 from 71.219.133.242

Nice miles this week Sno... I'm glad you are enjoying your new running group!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 14:56:55 from 71.229.164.25

I didn't grin until you said to wipe the grin of my face.

I think you've got it in you to run a little faster than you're used to. Maybe this running group is just what you need. I've heard that the way to get faster is to run with people who are faster than you.

Great job! I hope you're not too beat for tomorrow's run.

From JD on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 15:03:15 from 64.65.159.206

Nice mileage this week!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 15:56:01 from 67.171.56.220

Dodootdootdootdo I'm loving it....McDonalds chime

I like to see you pushing it a little there :)

That's my old standby run. My wifes parents live just off the trail near that elementary school so I fuel up over there.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 16:57:46 from 67.171.56.164

Yeah, it sounds great today. We'll see how smart it is when I try to do my 23 miler tomorrow. ;)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 16:59:24 from 67.171.56.220

There is no try...only do!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 17:07:00 from 67.171.56.164

Hey btw, are you going to run with the club? There seem to be a lot more folks in your pace group than mine. The shirts alone are worth it. DH has already made a move on mine. (But not fast enough!)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 17:15:05 from 67.171.56.220

Yes...very soon. I may not next week as that is my birthday but after that I'm sure you'll see me.

From rattletrap on Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 23:22:58 from 24.19.93.139

Sounds like it was a great run. You will find yourself running even faster with less effort in no time if you keep hanging around with these folks :)

From april27 on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 12:40:40 from 99.188.251.180

Sounds like you are enjoying yourself...I do like that the group pushes you. I didn't much care for group runs though. I'm glad you are enjoying yours!

From auntieem on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 14:49:49 from 67.182.145.8

HaHa! I knew you would like it! My favorite part of the MP miles thrown in in the middle of a run is the coming back to "easy" pace. It feels SOOO easy. Enjoy this weather while it lasts!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.740.000.000.0018.74

Mid 50sF, cloudy.  Endurance run.

Not one of my better runs.  Everything felt too hard by 10 miles, and at about 14 miles the wheels started to come off: lethargy, form deteriorating, and eventually pain throughout the legs.  I forced myself to go a few more miles just to practice some mental toughness and try some mind games, but was happy to go home early.  I think I shall take tomorrow off.  I feel worn out. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 18.74
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 16:16:30 from 75.164.111.39

Sounds like you ran a little harder yesterday than you thought. Sorry about that, focus on recovery tomorrow and be ready to come back strong next week!

From rattletrap on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 16:50:36 from 75.210.178.75

18 miles is a long run after your fast one yesterday! You deserve a break. Doesn't this make 8 days in a row now?

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 18:02:01 from 67.171.56.164

15 days. Thanks for pointing that out. I think I can get used to running with fewer days off, but I cannot expect hard efforts 2 days in a row to lead into a successful *long* run. The superpowers I ordered are stuck in the mail.

From Bonnie on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 18:15:47 from 75.164.111.39

You know, I am not sure why you feel the need to run with fewer days off? Are you trying to increase mileage? I am not intimating you *can't* do it, I am just trying to understand why you feel the need to not take a day off? I know it might interrupt the comfort of your current schedule to reorganize, but if the only reason you are running 7 days/week is so you can run with the Saturday group, I don't understand why you can't just take a different day off a week?

That said, it will, as changing things up always does, take a little time to get used to it ... so you will adjust. Just watch out how many things you are altering at one time (e.g., both intensity and volume).

Take Care Sno!

From rattletrap on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 18:40:08 from 75.210.178.75

15 days!? 6 days a week is good, but you have to rest sometime. I like to take a day of rest before my long run.

From JD on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 19:28:37 from 166.128.17.89

I wonder if the leg pain had anything to do with the ST3's. That's your longest run in them isn't it?

Runners are funny. 99.8% of the population would consider an 18 mile run an accomplishment of a lifetime for themselves.

From auntieem on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 20:21:55 from 67.182.145.8

I second it! You probably need a day off before the long run, or a day of crosstraining or something. Sorry your long run didn't go as long as planned, but that's still an awesome number of miles! Don't give up on your group because of it!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 21:11:19 from 71.229.164.25

Like others have said, it was probably a combination of the hard effort yesterday and the 15 days in a row. I agree with Bonnie that if you're going to run with the group on Saturdays (which I wholeheartedly endorse), you should probably take off some other day during the week.

Also, I'm rereading Hudson and early on he writes about peaking too early and connected with that idea he seems to concentrate the 20+ mile runs in the 6 weeks before the marathon. I'm thinking that 18 is plenty long enough for you at this point. But feel free to ignore me if you don't agree with my advice.

From april27 on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 21:42:43 from 99.188.251.180

i think you should make tomorrow a wine day! LOL...just kick back with some knitting and a glass and relax for a day. You deserve it!

From Bonnie on Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 21:59:52 from 75.164.111.39

whooo April, except for the knitting, I like that idea!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 09:17:48 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, everyone, for your concern, but I think this is getting a bit blown out of proportion. Now that I'm in this running club, it's just going to take a little trial and error to figure out days off, or active recovery days, depending on how I feel. I don't think running 7 days a week is inherently damaging; lots of people do it. It was the last 3 days that were out of balance but I learned what I needed to know. Anyway, thanks for caring.

JD, the 20 miles last week was my longest in the ST3s. The leg pain I mentioned is that kind of generalized achy feeling one gets towards the end of a marathon or a super long run. Needless to say, 14 miles is a bit early! It was actually a pretty valuable piece of information though, because it tells me that the Friday and Saturday runs, at or close to MP, stressed the muscles enough to require significant recovery time. I don't know whether you remember your comment to me on June 1 about recovery runs, but that's the kind of run that was missing I think.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 09:20:24 from 67.171.56.164

p.s. I know you won't believe us, Bonnie, but knitting rocks! lol You are so busy, but when you need a little chuckle break, this is a really funny video about knitters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuccwU4CoUQ

From Merri on Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 17:18:01 from 207.88.76.69

Wow 18 miles! Good job! When is your next marathon? :)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 19:42:11 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Merri,

I am running the Seattle Rock n Roll mar. in 3 weeks, just for fun. No time goal, and I feel like it will be a slow one. My next marathon after that is Victoria BC in October.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.910.250.000.007.16

54F, mostly clear, humid.  Easy run w/ fast finish.  20 min. strength & Stick.

A pleasant, though slightly sluggish run.  The air is a bit heavy this morning.  We had a blood red sunset and moonrise last night, so I'm sure there is a lot of particulate hanging around. About this time every year I start wishing I lived in the Highlands of Scotland. Or somewhere foggy. 

My arms and back are a little sore. We did our spring scything yesterday.  Yes! The art of scything lives.  We have a bit of meadow grass property on the outskirts of our landscaped area and it's just nice to keep it below knee height and take care of the blackberry vines that always want to come up there. I can tell you my neighbors think I'm certified insane (perhaps some of you do too?) so I generally do it when I know they are at work.  One of my neighbors, who is extremely nosy and rude, once had the bad manners to call out to me, "What the h----- are you doing??"  A scythe is faster, lighter, quieter and easier than a weed whacker.  DD helped rake up and raked in some dough for herself. 

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 7.16
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:53:03 from 71.229.164.25

It was kind of foggy here this morning. The area where I live is called Highlands Ranch. Ane there's a Scottish festival here every fall. I'm wondering if the early settlers were reminded of the Scottish Highlands or something. The current development hasn't been here very long, but there were homesteaders out here before, I think. Of course, it's not often foggy here.

I don't think you're insane to use a scythe. That one neighbor should mind his or her own business. It's none of your neighbor's business how you cut your grass. If your neighbor was just interested, that's one thing. But that's not what it sounds like. I guess the scythe has to be pretty sharp, eh?

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:56:58 from 207.225.192.66

Sno I think that is awsome that you cut your tall grass that way! We don't always have to have power tools. Maybe if more of us used our human power to do work you wouldn't see so much obisity.

I've always wanted to visit Scotland. All green and beautiful :)

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:58:34 from 67.171.56.164

That's funny about the Scottish connection! Yes, the blade has to be honed every 5-10 minutes.

From JD on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:32:49 from 64.65.159.206

I love it!!

From Kelli on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:21:57 from 71.219.74.247

Okay, first, great run on Sunday! Even though you were miserable, you pushed through! I have such a hard time with that!!!

And scything must be one heck of a workout. I had to watch the video to see what it was, and it was just what I pictured! WOW. Next time the neighbor decided to make rude comments, chase after him like really are psycho---that will hush him up!

Hope the rest of the week goes well for you.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 13:58:00 from 70.56.86.66

I can just see you out there...THE GRIM REAPER! Sweet! Are you running with the group on Sat.?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 17:45:02 from 67.171.56.164

It was grim all right. I'm probably going to the club run this Sat. At this point, I'm think about putting it in the middle of a long run but still not decided.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.830.002.000.008.83

55F, partly cloudy, humid.  Lactate threshold/Tempo run: 4 E + 2 T + remainder moderate.

Yesterday afternoon, as our mercury climbed to 80F, the thunderheads that had been predicted for Eastern Washington were camped just beyond the mountains near my house.  So close!  It was beautiful, but I wanted them to scoot just a teensy bit farther west to cool us off.  This morning's run was quite pleasant, but still a bit warm with the humid air.

An observation about weight.  I was bringing in some purchases from my car, including a 20 pound jug of cat litter. Since my right arm is still sore from scything (see yesterday's post), I had the goofy but practical idea of putting the thing on my head, like an African woman.  I set it on its side and held on to the handle.  That worked nicely, but as I carried it up the 10 steps from the garage, through the house, and down the 14 steps to my basement, I thought to myself, "this is what it would be like to be 20 pounds overweight."  Difficult!! And I couldn't imagine trying to run with those extra 20 pounds.  I like my weight all right, so it's hard to get worked up about losing the 5-10 pounds I probably should lose -- but how much lighter would that feel as a runner? Something to think about.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.83
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:42:16 from 63.240.133.93

Nice run today... and interesting observation about weight. DH and I have been trying to help each other out with loosing a few of the extra pounds we would like to shed, and I keep thinking to myself it will help the way I feel when I'm running.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:18 from 198.241.217.15

I guess we're all trying to loose a few pounds, but isn't it nice that it's just 5-10 pounds and not 50 or 100?

I don't know if you ever watch The Biggest Loser, but often later in the season they have the contestants put on fat suits or carry weights equivalent to what they've lost to that point and do some kind of physical challenge. It's really tough.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04:53 from 67.171.56.164

Hear, hear! (on 5 rather than 50, lol)

From Bonnie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:42:27 from 75.164.111.39

As much as I hate to say it (because I am a strong advocate about people not obsessing about weight) - it makes a big difference in running. The elite athletes are not skinny because they run so much - they spend a lot of time keeping their weight down so they can run faster. That said, as with everything else, moderation is the key, because if you get too low it can be a detriment. I have always run better when I am below the "recommended" weight for my height.

Although, Sno I thought you were the PERFECT weight just as you were when I saw you in Eugene...

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:54:59 from 67.171.56.220

Love to see that speed work! Have you talked to Sean about specific workouts yet?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 15:27:11 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie, Thanks so much. I like my weight too so it's more of a "casual" goal. Even if I just stay the same as the years go on I'll be breaking the typical pattern.

Jeff, I don't have any immediate plans to do any coaching with Sean, though I sometimes think about it. Money-wise, it's a fantastic deal. For those of you wondering what this is all about, the director of our new running club, Sean Sundwall (link on my Favorites), is offering club members his coaching services for $15 per month.

From april27 on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 15:36:26 from 143.43.10.62

I love on the biggest loser how they make them wear fat suits! I think it is so weird to see them back at their start out weight! I think it is also a great reminder to them of how they don't want to go back.

Sno- I don't have a scale at home b/c when I did I would obsess! I would weigh my self once a week and I would naturally go up or down a pound. 2 years ago I finally got to a good weight but then kept losing and I think I was 138 (i'm 5'9) I felt soooo sickly. Now I'm at a comfy weight which ranges between 140 and 147...I would love to lose 5 lbs but I think I would feel lousy! Hey maybe I dropped below my comfy weight this week and that is why I have felt so yuck!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 17:03:12 from 67.171.56.164

I personally think a full size mirror in the bathroom is more useful than a scale. Sometimes brutal. ;)

5'9" - that's tall in my book! Better to eat for health than for weight loss.

From Bonnie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 17:06:48 from 128.196.228.134

Ouch -- no way would let a full-size mirror anywhere near my bathroom ... sorry Sno, I struggle with poor body image as it is.

5'9" is cool tall April!

Eating for health and not weightloss is my motto too! Great minds!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 17:08:42 from 67.171.56.164

LOL! Oh comon Bonnie! You're long and lean! Just ask Dean.

"My baby likes me just the way that I am.." (song)

From auntieem on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 18:44:10 from 67.182.145.8

So I think its true about weight and running faster. Trouble is, I don't really want to get skinnier! I think that if you eat well, and exercise enough (somewhat obsessively, even), whatever weight happens is the right one. And we probably shouldn't mess around with that too much. We are all supposed to look different.

I'm 5'10" and I have no idea what I weigh, but its a lot because I'm solid and tall!

From april27 on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 21:53:09 from 99.188.251.180

Oops Bonnie--I lied...I want to be 5'9" I"m really 5' 8" LOL

Oh and I like to go with how my clothes feel...if they feel tight I need to either run more or eat less. LOL

From JD on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 22:06:54 from 32.178.74.189

I would like to "weigh in" on this discussion. I dropped 25 pds over the first nine months that I started running again (193 pds down to 168). And I've been stuck at my current weight for the last 8 months. No matter how much I run, I can't seem to lose more weight. I think 168 is healthy for 6 ft. tall, but I would like to lose more and run faster. I've tried eating less, but I end up just feeling weak during the runs. I wrongly assumed that running 50 - 70 miles a week would take more weight off...

From Bonnie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 23:02:00 from 75.164.110.212

JD -- I have never found that miles alone are enough to keep my weight down (and this is more true the older I get). But, I think too many times we associate losing weight with too much of a change. If you really feel like to want to lose more weight you have to be willing to take a time to do it, and make lifestyle changes rather than see quick weight differences. Don't try to make big changes, make small ones that add up over a period of months not weeks.

For instance, I rarely snack, unless it is a "planned" snack - I eat as many fruit and veggies as I want, but no other snacks. I eat at very specific times ... I don't feel I skimp, but I have pretty regimented portion control, in general (I do splurge occasionally, but only after I am at my optimal weight). I eat 3 meals during the week, and I just pay attention to how much I eat and what it is (calories-wise), it isn't that I don't eat things that aren't high calories, I am just conscience of it when I do (therefore I rarely do). On the weekends I usually only eat two meals because my breakfast meals are larger and seem to "last" longer. Mainly though I just pay attention (and don't snack). I have it is the easiest way for me to keep my weight down without actually "dieting".

I really believe that snacks are one of the biggest culprits to weight-loss (that and too big of portions). If each snack is about 300 calories (which would be great as most snacks are much more than this) over the course of 7 days that is 2100 calories (almost a full days worth of calories for me).

If you feel weak then you aren't getting what you need, but it could be WHAT you are eating not that you aren't eating enough.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 23:38:21 from 67.171.56.164

Great advice, Bonnie. I know that when I pay attention to the occasional article that says "eat many small meals" I totally lose control and aliens from planet binge take over my body.

My weight control tip is to replace the "white" thing on your dinner plate (rice, potato, bread, whatever) with fruit. More nutrition, better quality carb.

JD, I think you can get off the plateau if you really want to!

From JD on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45:14 from 64.65.159.206

Thanks for the advice Bonnie and Sno. I undoubtedly snack, a lot, probably too much. When I was in my twenties, I could eat all I wanted, exercised very little, and had trouble getting my weight over 160 pds. Different story now that I'm in my mid forties. I do tend to procrastinate, and still haven't really fully committed to the diet changes that I know will benefit me in the long run (pun intended). Definitely need to focus on more fresh fruit and veggies.

From Bonnie on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:51:07 from 75.164.110.212

We all have that experience as we age JD ... My main point was make "small" changes (give up one tiny snack) they will make a big difference over the long haul and doesn't make it seem like a "diet" or any much out of the ordinary ... no big deal!

The main thing is for you to feel comfortable with yourself ... don't worry about anyone else.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.120.000.000.009.12

55F, getting cloudier :D  -w/ sun breaks and humidity.  General aerobic run, moderate pace.  (ETA: Forgot to mention: 20 min. strength & stretching)

A great run.  These Nike Lunar shoes feel really good, possibly as good as The Magic Shoes (Brooks ST3s).  The only reason I've relegated them to 2nd place is that the right shoe always feels too tight across the toe box for the first 5 minutes or so. Then it is fine. Weird.

I have a question for anyone who may know about this.  How do you run sharp corners?  Do you tilt like a motorcycle? Do you slow down a lot, shorten stride, or do anything different with your feet/legs?  I am talking about going around a 90 degree angle corner on a sidewalk for example.  I'd just like to get your thoughts on this because I find turns to be very uncomfortable sometimes and I wonder if there is something I can do differently.

Tidbit for today:  One of my favorite heros, Peter Schiff, was recently on The Daily Show.  I don't watch tv but this episode was brought to my attention.  It's nice to see a voice of reason getting positive air time. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 9.12
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:27:35 from 71.229.164.25

Very interesting clip. I had not heard of Peter Schiff, living somewhat in a bubble myself.

Sorry I don't have any advice about corners.

From april27 on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32:39 from 99.188.251.180

i think i'm a motorcycle on turns.

From Dale on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:35:49 from 69.10.215.11

Those are all the cornering tricks I know of, except for when there's a tree/post there that you can hang onto :)

From auntieem on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:36:05 from 67.182.145.8

I slow down going into the corner, and accelerate out of it, just like in a car! Don't know if that's "right" or not. My corners are usually hairpins on a trail, so they're more than 90 degrees. On the track, for some reason, I tend to really speed up in the long curves; its really a challenge to control my speed there when I'm supposed to be doing 5K pace.

When I watch the high school track sprinters running around a corner, its really cool to see, because they all tilt on the curve.

From JD on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:11:14 from 64.65.159.206

I admire the courage of people like Peter Schiff who aren't afraid to inject a little reality into the conversation. A lot of folks seem to have blinders on when it comes to matters of the economy. "Drunk on government kool-aid," as Daily puts it!

Nice running today -

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 13:39:31 from 207.225.192.66

I think I'm a tilter when I do corners.... but maybe it's just because I'm tilty anyway LOL. Intersting to hear how others handle them. In trails I usually slow quite a bit, but they are more the 90 degrees. Also I'm just slow on trails in general.

From rattletrap on Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 18:30:33 from 70.193.7.42

I lean into the corners(typical biker), but I also try to take them as wide as possible so I don't lose traction as I'm pouring on the throttle :)

From Little Bad Legs on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 01:35:49 from 24.216.235.183

I've never thought about corner running but next time I'll take note. :)

Nike Lunar's, eh? I've been considering them for a couple months now. Keep me posted on what you think of them after a month or so...

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 08:47:55 from 67.171.56.164

LBL, I've got almost 90 miles on the Lunars right now. I think they are awesome, except for that tightness I mentioned. The thing is, I believe I may be wearing the wrong size. The Lunars I've got are the men's size because that is what the store carried. I could have taken them back but like I said the problem only seems to exist for a few minutes after I put them on. Furthermore, the sales person said he felt the next size up seemed "sloppy" on my foot and that with this shoe that would be a mistake. I do trust this store (it's Super Jock n Jill in Seattle if you're familiar with that), but I may see whether I can try on a women's next time.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.860.000.000.002.86

55F, cloudy.  :)     Slow and easy today. 

Just a wee jaunt to get the legs loose and enjoy some fresh air.    

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 2.86
Comments
From april27 on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:52:24 from 99.188.251.180

do you always do these wee jaunts?? just makes me feel better about my wee jaunts. LOL

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:02:29 from 71.229.164.25

I wondered if you were going to take a rest day in preparation for the Saturday group run and Sunday long run. Does your wee jaunt qualify this as a rest day?

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:07:56 from 207.225.192.66

Nice little jaunt :) You are non stop lately... do you every take a rest day?

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:36:58 from 67.171.56.164

I *think* this is a rest day. lol I've been hemming n hawing (sp?) about incorporating the club run tomorrow into a long run. I don't have any special long run plans (like MP or anything), but to run around here on the Ridge for while then go down to town and do a few miles with the club -- that would leave me coming home up the Spirit Crusher hill at the end of the run (1.7 miles, 10-12% grade at times). So that would be a good workout.

From JD on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:48:19 from 64.65.159.206

Spirit Crusher hill hahahahaha!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:10:39 from 198.241.217.15

You could make it one of those Hudson workouts that is a long run with a progression at the end, uphill, if possible. That always kills me that he says, "uphill, if possible."

From auntieem on Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 13:26:49 from 67.182.145.8

"Spirit Crusher" hill! That sounds like a challenge. I was thinking of incorporating a longer run into my Saturday group run also, since we are cutting back to just 8 miles this week. My thought was "last longer miles before R&R". I asked my coach and he laughed at me. Clearly I don't see the bigger picture here.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 01:25:07 from 67.171.56.220

Sno,

I did Spirit Crusher several times at the end of long runs in training for this last marathon and found that several days later my runs were so much easier than normal. I finished with 2 miles easy afterwards.

That last .5 miles is the real deal as it gets steeper and steeper. Tough but good for you...I think!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.104.500.000.0020.60

Low 50s & cloudy, changing to low 60s and sunny. North wind.  Endurance run + club run + Spirit Crusher Hill + 4.5 miles @ MP+20 down to MP before cool down. 

Every now and then a run just shines for some reason.  That was today.  Legs felt great. Energy, great. Magic Shoes, great.  

I ran about 7 miles around the neighborhood and down to the meeting place before the club run.  I only ended up running with the club for about a mile, because I was determined not to run on gravel today.  It probably would have been ok, but I had a plan and wanted to stick with it.  No one wanted to run on the streets with me, so I just went as far as the trail head with them.  

There were no runners who said they would like to run at 11:00 pace (my choice), and a big group who did want to run at 10:00.  So I tucked in with them, thinking I'd just get left behind in a bit, and that would be fine since I wasn't going where they were going.  How long do you suppose it will take me to figure out that people don't say what pace they really want, or maybe that they don't know their pace?  We were at 10:40-10:50 the whole time I ran with them. lol

I came back through town on my own and hit the bottom of Spirit Crusher Hill at mile 11.5  That was the strongest run up that hill I have ever done! I stopped once at the drinking fountain about 2/3 of the way up, and other than that I ran steady.  The worst of the hill comes at the last .5 miles and my pace was reduced to around 14:00 but I didn't stop, didn't feel overwhelmed, and didn't break down physically or mentally even a little bit.  Yay!

But it gets even better.  At about mile 16 I had been back in the 'hood for a while and decided to finish with a route going out to the Heights, where Jefferey lives.  Things were still feeling pretty good, so I decided right there and then to run that part with more effort.  Each mile got faster than the last! That hasn't happened to me since... um... I'll get back to you on that.

I let my last mile be easy, but even then I felt really good and my form was still in check.  Today was as good as last week was awful.  I sure appreciate the confidence booster. 

I'll be back on the blog later today to leave comments for all my dear friends. Right now I'm late for showering  so I can get going to my Knit-in Public event. Today is World Wide Knit In Public Day!  Totally crazy, I know.   But there is a K.I.P just up the road at my library, so DD and I are going. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 20.60
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From JD on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 14:29:54 from 64.65.159.206

Awesome running today, and great mileage this week! Whew!

I never knit in public...I'm modest like that. LOL!!

From Bonnie on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 15:32:13 from 75.164.110.212

Wide World Knit in Public Day?? wow, who knew!! WWKIMPD ...

Great run Sno!

From auntieem on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 16:32:32 from 67.182.145.8

I am sooo happy for you! I wish I could have been in your shoes, or maybe in my shoes running beside you. Be very happy about that run. Especially the spirit crusher hill part.

My run was really good today too; see my blog; if I can do that pace on Seattle R&R I'll be smilin'!

Thanks for the reminder to knit in public. I wonder if floaty boat on the lake counts as "public".

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 18:49:51 from 71.229.164.25

I'm so glad you had a great run! I knew you had it in you. Way to conquer the Spirit Crusher Hill.

Knit in public, eh. We quilters don't try to quilt in public, to my knowledge. Quilting gear isn't as portable as knitting, I suppose. It really bites that you can't take knitting needles on an airplane and knit while you wait in the airport or on the plane (at least I assume that you can't). I was thinking about that the other day for some reason.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 20:23:33 from 67.171.56.164

JD - Your secret is safe with us.

Bonnie - I give up. ... KIMPD? I am so tired now (5pm) that all I can think of is knit in my pajamas day.

Carolyn - Yes, knitting in airports and on planes is ok in the US and Canada, hit and miss in other countries. Mexico will confiscate your needles. We knitters are a pretty dangerous bunch you know.

A - Floatie boats count. ;)

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 21:53:04 from 97.126.140.236

WOW Sno, so glad you had such a good run... gives me hope that I might come around soon.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 01:16:03 from 67.171.56.220

Wait...What? Where is the drinking fountain 2/3 the way up spirit crusher/dream stealer hill? Sounds like you are starting to own the hills! I like the sound of that!!! Lot of miles today...keep yourself under control on Sunday OK :-)

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:07:20 from 67.171.56.164

Yes! It's in that little park with the basketball court (or is it tennis?), on the east side of the Parkway. You can also opt for the trail in the woods at that point if you want to get out of the sun. I didn't feel comfortable in there all by myself so I stick with the Parkway.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.960.000.000.004.96

57F, cloudy w/ breeze.  Recovery run. 

Stiff and sore the first 3 miles or so, then easier.  My legs actually feel a lot better than I thought they would.  I mostly felt weak. Typical and not bothersome. :) 

Doing the long run on Saturday worked out better than I expected too.  Having a good running day didn't hurt, but the logistics of it went well too.  I think I'll do that more often. 

Monday to Sunday week mileage: 53.53 miles.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 4.96
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From JD on Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 18:49:02 from 166.203.47.231

Good recovery run. That's cool how well things worked out yesterday combining the group and long run.

R&R is coming up soon isn't it? Is it taper time?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 19:35:35 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad the Saturday long run went well for you. Maybe a little shake up of your routine is just what you need.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 01:24:22 from 67.171.56.220

Excellent job after a tough one on Saturday! Thanks for the tip on water midway up that beastly hill. Now I can just go run and not have to worry about how to hydrate...how many showed up Sat. for the club? Looks like I'm going to run the Fall city Fun Run this Sat. but will be there the following Sat. to start my membership.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 07:57:32 from 67.171.56.164

Yes, between that water, the ones at the Railroad Museum, the riverside park, Centennial Fields, and your folks, you should be in good shape.

There were a lot more people on Saturday than the week before, about 20. I will be absent for at least 2 weeks (Fall City 5K, then Seattle RnR). A lot of club members are running the Seattle RnR so that will be a light attendance week. I do hope to see you there eventually!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.720.000.000.005.72

Mid 50sF, cloudy.  Another recovery run.  20 min strength and stretching.

I've got my usual DOMS today, mostly in the quads.  So I took it really slowly.  I am loving this weather.  I thought I even felt a few raindrops from time to time but I can't be sure.  

Much to do this morning...  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.72
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From auntieem on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:55:21 from 67.182.145.8

We had that weather yesterday. This morning its back to sun and warmer, my favorite!

R&R is coming up fast! So excited.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:12:39 from 71.229.164.25

How many days have you run in a row now? It must be around 21 or 22. I guess I could go back and count, but I'm too lazy.

Have fun with your busy morning.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:18:34 from 67.171.56.164

No, just 7. I took last Monday off. I've got a low mileage week in front of me, so I guess I'll call this A Taper. ;)

From JD on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:37:05 from 64.65.159.206

Even though you've been consistently consistent ever since I started reading your blog last year, I'm still consistently amazed at your consistence as I read your blog on a consistent basis.

Consistently yours, JD

From april27 on Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 13:59:42 from 143.43.8.39

JD-LOL

sno-I think 50's is perfect running weather...and hotter and I want to die...LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.120.000.000.004.12

58F, mostly clear.  Another easy run, with a few strides thrown in.   Abs & pushups.

When circumstances collide....  I guess it is just as well since I am in a taper period, but I would have run longer today if I could have without sacrificing more sleep.  My daughter's gymnastics class met at a distant location last night and my husband's job required him to be at the office extremely early for a teleconference with someone in Switzerland.

Here is yet another article on barefoot running, which seems to come up more and more these days.  I don't think I will choose to go that far, but I do favor minimalist shoes in running and going barefoot at home.

Edited to add:  the book which is mentioned in the article is on Amazon with a little video clip that is pretty interesting: http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidden-Superathletes-Greatest/dp/0307266303/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245162794&sr=1-1


Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 4.12
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:44:41 from 71.229.164.25

It's easier to justify a shorter run when there are multiple reasons for it. So it's better when circumstances dove-tail rather than conflict.

I don't have time to read the article right now. I've got to get to work. I'll check it out a little later.

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:48:23 from 96.240.222.19

I knew a kid in college whose buddy consistently logs 100+ miles barefoot. He is a small guy at 5'7" and 140, but his legs look like Dean Karnazes's! You will have calves and glutes of steel with barefoot minimalist running :)

From JD on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:39:04 from 64.65.159.206

It will be interesting to see where this barefoot trend will lead. How long until people realize the benefits of going au naturel in general! LOL!!

Seriously though, I've only tried barefoot running once, for a very short distance, on grass (my feet, not me!), and it felt very good. I'm looking forward to the next opportunity.

From auntieem on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:52:43 from 67.182.145.8

I had a chance when I was in Seattle to try out the Vibram five finger shoes at REI. I ran around the store for a while and up and down the stairs several times. I'm not sure if they are for me. The toes are very short in the shoes and my toes are very, very long. The result is that my toes sort of bend improperly as they are not fully encased by the shoe. So I had some metatarsial pain. Still interested in barefoot running, though, and curious about how others start.

From Bonnie on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 13:58:47 from 128.196.228.134

Dean is on his second pair of five-fingers -- though I don't think he would race in them (Sasha is pretty amazing!). He only wears the most minimal nike frees (3.0's) ... except for this weird hamstring injury he has been battling for almost 7 months it really helped him ...

We have that book ... it is interesting, I think it is the one I mentioned on my blog last week.

Happy day Sno!

From auntieem on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 14:05:24 from 67.182.145.8

Hmmm. I just read my last post, and realized that it sounds sort of like I have deformed feet! Maybe I could get some custom made vibrams for my monkey toes.

From Kelli on Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 16:04:46 from 71.219.76.64

I think the only time I wear shoes is when I run!!

Great week so far!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.820.000.000.005.82

56F Cloudy.  Mile repeats - sort of...

I believe I must have eaten something bad. I've had some intestinal distress since about 1 in the morning.  I almost didn't run. Then I almost didn't try my mile repeats. But I figure something is better than nothing.  The pace that was to be a bit faster than MP was only faster than... "slow." lol   Everything sort of fell apart during the second one (meant to do 3) and I had to quickly walk home.   It's the best I could hope for, and I truly do believe that some running is better than none. :) 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.82
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From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:23:14 from 207.225.192.66

I hope you get feeling better soon, and that it's nothing serious.

From auntieem on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:21:47 from 67.182.145.8

Sorry you don't feel great! I don't either, but its because I ate too many red vines last night. Didn't you get the rain?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:27:52 from 198.241.217.15

I hope the intestinal distress is short-lived. I agree that some running is better than none.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:05:26 from 71.37.18.170

Hope to see you on Saturday...at the race that is not at the club run.

From april27 on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:10:02 from 143.43.8.18

Wow..I think we are on the same stomach page...maybe they are communicating with each other and plotting against us. LOL

From Dale on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 18:36:11 from 69.10.215.11

I HATE it when the gastrointestinal system interferes with the running system! Good on you for not letting it sideline you completely.

From Bonnie on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 18:48:56 from 128.196.228.134

I hope you are ok Sno.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 20:13:39 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for all your well wishes! After about 9 AM, poof! I was fine. So it must have been food related. Such an aggravation! I normally have such an iron stomach.

A - We didn't get any rain! I heard on the radio that this is actually a record breaking dry spell for Seattle for this time of year.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 21:35:18 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad you're feeling better. Those intestinal things can come and go pretty quickly.

From JD on Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 21:47:27 from 32.176.224.12

Glad it passed. Good job getting out in spite of the GI issues.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.090.000.000.009.09

56F, cloudy and humid.  Easy to moderate run.

I'm trying to identify a couple of birds I saw playing together this morning.  I think they were Sapsuckers; they looked like this one except much prettier.  One of them kept perching on a sign post and pecking it slowly as if he just really liked the way his beak sounded on the metal.  I actually had to stop running and watch them for a while, it was so interesting.   This is the sort of thing that makes me think I should run with my camera (the one on my phone is so poor quality).  Then I'll end up like the Jogging Photography Club in the movie "Yes Man."  lol

Triax 12 II Miles: 9.09
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From jun on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49:25 from 66.239.250.209

That would be cool to see. I often see Cassin's Finch, Robbins, and periodically Norther Flickers (which are in the woodpecker family).

I have a degree in Zoology (which I do nothing with). I helped teach the Ornithology lab (birds) for two semesters after I graduated. Birds are kind of a hobby for me. I find myself slowing down frequently on runs to look at birds. I feel like I have to name them all before I can pass by.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:50:58 from 71.229.164.25

Really cool bird sighting. A few days ago I saw a couple of squirrels chasing each other. It's always fun to see animals playing together.

I've occasionally wished I had my camera on a run (my cell phone camera is no good), but my camera is old and bulky and I'd rather not carry it. Maybe if I had one of those little slim ones.

Are you going to running group tomorrow?

From jun on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:52:41 from 66.239.250.209

"Running Group" - sounds like a social help group for addictions. Actually, that would be pretty accurate.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:02:07 from 67.171.56.164

Jun- hahahaha!!! And I wish I knew more bird names. Now that I live further out of the city I see so many beautiful birds.

Carolyn- I'm running a 5K on Saturday. No club run, though I might see some club members there. The race is quite close to home.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:41:48 from 207.225.192.66

Cool bird sighting. I love being seeing the birds as I run, My friend and I used to run by her old house and there were always the prettiest birds over there. Ocationally I get a flock of geese around my house, they are fun to hear.

Jun I think that is a very accurate discription. :)

From JD on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:50:46 from 64.65.159.206

Seeing wildlife while on a run always makes my day!

From auntieem on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:50:55 from 67.182.145.8

Could be a flicker also. Flicker would be brighter red, spotted in the chest, and probably bigger than a sapsucker.

Do you think its too close to R&R to run a small race? Just askin' because there is one here also, 5 or 10K. You've much more experience tapering than I have.

From april27 on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:52:41 from 99.188.251.180

There is a bird out here that has a sliver of red in its wings...in august I thinkt hey have eggs or they are mating b/c they swoop down and try to peck you in the head...ask me how I know....I see them now and I tell them to be nice to be this year. LOL

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 13:53:42 from 67.171.56.164

Aunt - It definitely was not a flicker. I know them well. It was a lot smaller, had beautiful black and white markings on the body and its head was all red. Re the racing - I can only speak for myself, but I think a 5K the week before is a grand idea. I'm running one on Saturday.

April- I got attacked on the head by a crow a couple of years ago. When birds are nesting they can be so cranky!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 14:00:58 from 71.37.18.170

Sno, excellent chunk of miles today! Are you running tomorrow too?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 15:35:48 from 198.241.217.15

I meant running group on Saturday. For some reason, today is Friday in my mind. I've been confused all day.

From auntieem on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 15:41:58 from 67.182.145.8

Dang! Can't find my birding book anywhere. I like "Aunt" - lol

From Kelli on Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 16:29:54 from 71.219.76.64

I love that movie, really! So funny. If you got a little point and shoot camera it might work! It is nice we you can enjoy the scenery while running!

Have fun!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Lookie here!  A day off.   Man, I went back and forth about this.  Add miles after the 5K tomorrow? Take off Sunday for Father's Day?  Run low miles today?  In the end, my pillow won out.  Glorious, Precious, Sleeeeep...

Hubby, daughter and I are all off to one of our favorite events today, the annual Homeschool Curriculum Expo.  I remember the first time I went, when we were still just considering this path, and the joy of seeing that I would not have to reinvent the wheel.  We take one of those big crates on wheels with a long handle and fill it up.

One of my closest friends, who is from Iran but lives here, has been in such turmoil all week.  Her aged father in Iran was taken from his hospital bed during the night and put in prison. I have no idea what the circumstances were.  He is back in the hospital now -- I guess they didn't actually want him dead which is what nearly happened.  I think I've posted this beautiful link before, but I would like to share it again... here is hoping for peace in their future and ours. (The statistics are out of date by at least a year.)

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:55:27 from 71.229.164.25

You certainly deserve a day off and some sleep! Have fun at the curriculum expo.

Thanks for the Iran sideshow. The troubles your friend her father are experiencing are so saddening. Why can't we all live in peace?

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:30:41 from 97.126.140.236

Have a great day off and fun at the expo! I had missed the slideshow before, so thanks for posting again. It's beautiful!

From JD on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:31:50 from 64.65.159.206

Have fun at the 5k tomorrow!

From auntieem on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:35:01 from 67.182.145.8

Hey, I think you made the right choice to sleep! I've been to that curriculum expo. Its fun!

Thanks for the slide show. The situation is breaking my heart for all the people affected so terribly. What is wrong?

Have fun on your 5K. I'm not doing one tomorrow; going to do just what coach says - easy.

From Bonnie on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 14:46:25 from 128.196.228.134

Amen.

What 5K -- did I miss something? I know I have been a little out of touch lately, but I don't seey anything about a 5K anywhere - why are you hiding things from me at such an early stage in our relationship ;-).

Good luck Dear Sno!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 17:02:03 from 70.56.90.201

Will look for you tomorrow at the race...I'm going to try to get toward the front as 2 years ago got stuck and had to dodge all kinds of people.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 18:32:47 from 67.171.56.164

Bonnie - I threw that one into the schedule just recently. If I keep things kind of quiet I can avoid waking up my Performance Anxiety Persona - she's sleeping and I like it that way.

Race: Fall City Days 5K (3.1 Miles) 00:24:37, Place in age division: 3
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.750.000.003.105.85

FALL CITY DAYS 5K  - Garmin time 24:45  Low to mid 50s, cloudy w/ sun breaks. Mile splits: 7:45, 7:55, 8:02, (last .1) 7:54  Chip time now in: 24:37. :D

LOOK AT THOSE SEVENS!!!!!   Never, in all my running have I seen 7's for more than about 400 meters.  [Insert happy dance and unabashed grinning here.]  It just amazes me that a warm up period can feel sluggish and so difficult at 11:20 and then a race can be run so much faster. 

I'll have to come back later with some better details.  At the moment I'm VERY happy, and slightly confused. Read on...

I arrived early and had a nice, well timed warm up.  30 minutes of walk/jog, easy run, then drills and strides.  Settled in around the start area five minutes before the race. So far, everything going great. But then, the minutes ticked on.  I tried to stay loose and warm by pacing, bouncing, etc. but the race started over 15 minutes late!  Gr. 

I should have listened to Jefferey and seeded myself further up in the start area, but other people always look so fast to me. (He warned me about getting boxed in at this race.)  The gun went off and no one seemed the least bit interested in ceasing the chat fest and moving forward. 

When we finally did edge up to the chip mat, I found myself totally boxed in.  "What have I done?" I'm talking about 12:00-13:00 pace and a wall of bodies.  I must have panicked a bit, because after darting around people and trying to get up where I belonged the first mile was too fast!  That would explain why I feel like my lungs are going to explode.

Fortunately, it was a very flat course, with just a wee rise to cross a bridge at the beginning and again at the end. The course is an out and back through rural territory, a tree lined road with fields  on either side.  When I started seeing the faster 5K runners coming back towards me, I tried to look out for other 50-59 y.o. women and I didn't think I saw any, but obviously I missed at least one.  From the turnaround back to the finish line was just about hanging on and keeping my effort just below "blow out, burn up" stage.  My lungs were searing pretty much the entire race.  My legs felt good in the first half and tired but ok in the second. 

After crossing the finish line, I know it took me a moment to remember to hit "stop" on the Garmin (this matters later).  I went to the recovery area and got a banana and some water.  A woman who looked like she might be just a bit older than I was already there and I risked being rude by asking her age group. Same as mine.  OK, so no first place. I'm still elated with going sub 25.

When the results were taped to the side of a rock sculpture, I squinted at them (mind you, I lacked my reading glasses) and thought my chip time was listed as 24:37.  Woohoo, thought I.  The age groups were not listed, so one had to scan the age column to try to determine placement. That was a stretch for my presbyopic peepers, so I moved on.  I got my sweatshirt from the car, cheered Jeff in on his 10K race, and hung around for the awards ceremony to see what might happen.

"5K, Females, 50 to 59...  First place... so&so, with a time of 24:27."  Dang, she beat me by only 10 seconds!   "Second place... so&so (who was NOT yours truly), with a time of 24:37."  What? No one crossed the finish line anywhere near me except a kid who looked to be about 11 years old (darn him).  I thought 24:37 was MY time.  Are my eyes that bad?   "Third place... [my name] with a time of 25:0h something..."  No way. 

Even if I misread the results board, believe me, I have stared at the number 24:45 on my Garmin about 64,000 times since that dazed moment when they put a third place ribbon in my hand.  And my chip time had to be shorter than 24:45, not longer, because I started and stopped the Garmin outside the time spent actually running the 5K.  A time of 25-something is either gun time, or not mine at all. 

Has this ever happened to any of you fellow bloggers?  It doesn't really matter. I am so pleased with my race and will just go back to staring at my 24:45 Garmin time until the facts are printed in black and white somewhere close to a pair of reading glasses. 

On a side note, I also saw many members from my new running club.  How fun to have friends at a race!  

UPDATE -- my time was 24:37 after all -- yeah!  That is a PR of 1:25!  And my place was 3rd, also very respectable especially now that I know they got my time right. :D  First and second place finishers in my AG were not that far ahead of me: 24:20 and 24:22.  I am delighted!!



Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 5.85
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From Bonnie on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 16:00:29 from 75.164.110.212

WONDERFUL!!! This is awesome! YIPPPEEE.

The time-thing happened to me at the Carlsbad 1/2 marathon last year - my chip did not work and so all they had was gun time -- and my watch time (gun time) was off by 18 secs to theirs ... but still a PR -- and still happy. In my eyes you got 2nd in your age group, YIPPPEEE.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 16:34:09 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks Bonnie! The results are official now - see my update. You know, I did get 1st place in the Sno vs Sno race!

From marion on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 16:45:24 from 71.213.119.198

YIPPEE!! Way to go on an AWESOME PR!!! You inspire me :) Congratulations :) GREAT RACE!! :D

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 17:06:33 from 67.185.148.81

How come your race write-ups always are so much more interesting than mine :-)

Great job out there!! How far back did you start that race anyway?

Good job on doing extra miles...I find that always helps me recover quickly -

From auntieem on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 17:42:03 from 67.182.145.8

So happy for you! That's a great race, great time, happy day for you. 5K is just kind of fun, isn't it? Did you warm up with sprints before, or a jogging warmup or what?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 18:27:01 from 71.229.164.25

FAN-TAS-TIC!!!!!

I knew you had some speed in you! Third in your age division! Amazing. And so close to the two people ahead of you.

I'm so glad that you had a happy race. I'm doing a happy dance for you. Hooray!!!!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 18:39:11 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, everyone, for the good feedback. :)

Jeff - I thought I was standing about 2/3 back from the start mat. Really, I've never seen anything like that, as if no one was really interested in running at all. Saunterers.

Aunt - I jogged w/ walk breaks for a little over a mile, then I ran some minutes at 10:30 w/ butt kick drills, then strides. I like this drill: you just butt kick with one leg for 4-5x, and then do a 1-2-3 count that puts you onto the other leg and you go back and forth for 3 or 4 sets. Saw Kara Goucher do it on a video.

From Kelsey on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 20:16:33 from 98.230.3.218

That's so frustrating, but at least the results had it right. Congrats on a HUGE PR!!! You'll be winning your age group before you know it!

From JD on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:22:49 from 32.176.57.14

Wow! Way to go Sno!!! I've been out all day, it's 9:PM and I've just read your report. You know, I thought I was having a pretty good day, but now I'm having an absolutely great day thanks to you. Seriously, 7:45? 7:55? 8:01? Holy crap!! I've never seen those mile splits in your blog, what's going on? Very cool! Nice job! Congratulations on the AG place.

I'm inspired. Must...run...faster...

From april27 on Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:24:38 from 99.188.251.180

Congratulations! I love reading your posts---I can hear your excitements and or disappointments--good to hear that you got your right chip time. So areyou liking 5k's now? You are a big time trophy winner in two now! Dont' forget us little people! :)

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 00:15:11 from 67.171.56.164

JD - I'm as surprised as you are. For the 2nd time, I followed the 5K advice of our amazing Bonnie, and only looked at my Garmin at strategic times. Actually, today I only looked twice before the finish. Once at mile 1, to say YIkes and once a bit later to check if I had my adrenaline under control. The second time I looked I was near some trees and I don't think I was getting an accurate reading - 9 something. I knew that wasn't right. After that I just used the run-like-hell-but-don't-puke method of pacing. Not looking during a 5K ROCKS.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 00:18:40 from 67.171.56.164

April - No, I don't like 5Ks. lol Too hard (read that with a whine).

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 01:42:01 from 67.185.148.81

Sno, you know that lung burning sensation...that's what these really fast runners do once or twice a week. And yet they continue to do it. Maybe it gets to where it doesn't hurt as much.

From Sean Sundwall on Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:50:08 from 98.247.29.82

Really, really nice job. Well deserved.

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 14:42:15 from 97.126.140.236

Sno... sorry I was reading late... still in my brain fog from the relay.

YAHOOOOO!!!!! That is soooooo fantastic!! You are the speed queen!! I'm so excited for you! What a GREAT!!! race.

From Kelli on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 00:09:41 from 71.219.76.64

YEAH for the super 7's!!! i am so happy for you. And I am happy they got the time right, that was a pain in the rear. great job placing 3rd!!!

From april27 on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:24:27 from 99.188.251.180

agreed!

From Little Bad Legs on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:46:22 from 24.216.235.183

Great job. Enjoy the results that have come as a result of dedication and hard work!

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 17:14:09 from 64.81.245.109

This is exciting. Congratulations on the breakthrough.

Now you have demonstrated your 5 K speed is sufficient for a sub-4:00 marathon. From now on the key to reaching that goal would be to run as much as your body can handle at 9:00 pace.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 21:57:28 from 67.171.56.164

Sasha - Just curious - do you mean 9:00 pace in place of other speed work, during general aerobic runs, or as one of my 3 quality runs? Thanks for your input!

From nicole on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 00:28:01 from 173.116.122.5

WOW!!! I am soooo impressed!! you are super FAST!! just wait until you see those 7s in the marathon! :-) congrats, and good luck this weekend!

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:06:13 from 64.81.245.109

Snowy:

The bulk of the speedwork should happen at 9:00 pace. In your situation I am not 100% sure of how much speedwork to do. But the basic idea is the more miles you will run at 9:00 pace the more efficient you will be at it, also your fuel storage capacity will increase.

Maybe something like this - one day a week run 5 miles at 9:00 pace. Another day run 2x1 mile at 8:00 pace so you will not lose your 5 K speed. And for your long run warm up a mile, then run 9:00 pace to failure or to 15 miles at that pace, and then cool down to the end of 20. Maybe do "fat" miles on easy days where you run the last mile of your run in 9:00 with the previous mile being slower than 10:00, and focusing on staying asleep while running 9:00 pace. Adjust if this is too much or too little.

The main risk of that pace done too much for you is nervous system/adrenal gland fatigue. So watch out for irritability, difficulty sleeping, bad appetite, and difficulty hitting the target pace. Increase your sleep if possible, take naps if your body will let you. Also, you'll need to make sure you eat enough.

It would also be good to find a training partner in your area that knows 9:00 pace very well and can lead you through your fast runs.

From marion on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:13:40 from 71.213.113.143

Sasha- Could you explain more about the "nervous system/adrenal gland fatigue." I have noticed those symptoms during times when I am ramping up my miles or icreasing activity.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:23:01 from 64.81.245.109

Marion:

That is when you fail to perform not due to the lack of aerobic fitness or fuel but for some other reason. I call it nervous system/adrenal gland fatigue pointing somewhat in the direction of the culprit and hoping to hit him. The reason I point in that direction is that such failures often result from a lack of sleep, excessive life stress, post-illness, and other things that would weaken either the nervous system or the adrenal glands or both.

The fix is to sleep more, eat healthier, stress less, and slow down on your runs. The recovery may take a long time. Sometimes one afternoon nap is good enough, sometimes not. A race like Wasatch Back could easily put you over the edge and you would need a long time to recover.

A tempting way to address the problem is caffeine. It solves the problem short term, but overtime only makes it worse.

From allie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:38:49 from 208.110.151.113

congratulations on your PR. awesome! i am glad they got the times sorted out

From Merri on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:42:54 from 207.88.76.69

nice race! way to go!

From marion on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:44:04 from 71.213.113.143

Interesting. For me, I have experienced, what may be this, after a new, longer, distance long runs. For lack of a better term, it feels like post partum depression- exhaustion, irritability, I cry easily for about 3 days. Last fall when I was riding my bike a ton, on top of my running, I suffered from these symptoms until I dropped the biking. I have attributed it to pushing myself a bit too far past my current training level, new territory. Usually better fueling and rest help. Pre and post workout fuel and hydrating make a huge difference in alleviating or eliminating the severity of the symptoms. I have gotten much better at napping too. One or two a week is about right.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 15:01:04 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for the info, Sasha. I know all about adrenal fatigue -- I was treated for it a couple of years ago. I am very glad to see you are spreading the word.

Marion - The test for adrenal fatigue is a 24 hour saliva test. I would recommend talking about it with a NATUROPATH - in my opinion they are the best for sorting this out. In addition to the steps Sasha mentioned, adrenal fatigue can be treated with a glandular supplement such as Isocort (available without a prescription). Here is my favorite link on AF: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

Though the 24 hour saliva test is conclusive, you can also take an informal test at that site; scroll down to "Discovery Step 1."

I do not believe my AF was caused by running, but it certainly affected it! I was under an unbelievable amount of stress in my then orchestra job. The kind of stress that produces adrenaline surges on a daily basis - no way to live.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.980.000.000.005.98

48F, cloudy & breezy w/ showers.  Easy run, w/ form focus.  Tapering for Seattle RnR.  20 min. core, upper body, stretches and Stick.

Father's Day was spent helping Young Miss Sno cater to the every need of Mr. Sno, not an easy task given his phlegmatic nature.  In the afternoon we played a very long game of Monopoly (is there ever a short one?), in which I somehow managed to obtain all four railroads and became filthy rich.  Mr. Sno was supposed to cream us, as he normally does, but I guess holidays do not influence board game outcomes.

Legs are a bit sore today.  That won't do.  I was going to do a little MP running tomorrow but we'll see how things feel.

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 5.98
Comments
From JD on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 13:12:38 from 64.65.159.206

Your legs should be a bit sore after Saturday's performance!

Enjoy taper mode this week.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 13:18:22 from 70.56.90.201

Good luck with the taper week, I rested a ton on my last week and it seemed to help a lot. Sounds like Sean is going to run the Half Marathon there. You probably won't see him though as there are a lot of people going.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 13:19:58 from 67.171.56.164

How did Sean get a bib number? I thought they were sold out! I'm glad if he'll be there.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 13:22:43 from 70.56.90.201

Hellooooooo?? He's one of the Elites, so he's one of the popular kids...all the races want as many fast runners as possible :)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 14:26:40 from 67.171.56.164

LOL! Dang, it really does pay to be fast! I love it - he should get all the perks he can!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 15:35:34 from 207.225.192.66

Enjoy your tapering... Sounds like a lovely Father's Day!

From rattletrap on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 00:53:33 from 24.19.93.139

Take care of those legs! I hope they're not too sore. RnR is almost here! I'm winding down my 28 day extreme taper and actually looking forward to the race again.

From april27 on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:11:30 from 99.188.251.180

I would like to say that I"m jealous of your 48 degree weather can you send some of that breeze and some clouds my way?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 19:03:01 from 71.229.164.25

Phlegmatic nature, eh.

Congratulations on your Monopoly win.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.340.000.000.006.34

48F, some clear skies, some light fog and low clouds. Lovely morning, imo.  Easy to moderate run.  

The legs are still feeling kind of "dead," so I cut this run a little short (meant to do 8).  I really want to be fresh on Saturday, even if I am not going after a time goal.  Twenty-six miles is a loooong way to go on tired legs. (The point-two is no problem, lol.)   

So, the plan at this point is a little increase in my protein, more sleep, tomorrow off, and just a little running on Thursday. Friday off.  

I saw a lot of wildlife this morning. 2 deer (separately, and upon whom I came unexpectedly close up), 1 rabbit, and something I think was a Northern Harrier.  On our community website, a resident just reported seeing a Black Bear out on the Parkway.  

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 6.34
Comments
From Tracy on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:16:02 from 209.175.177.37

Sounds like a pleasant run! Especially the wildlife. Good luck on Saturday!

Stay away from that black bear. If you encounter one, I hear you're supposed to play dead. I don't know if I'd be able to do that. I guess I'm toast, but chances of me encountering a bear in central Illinois are slim. My mom does live by the Brookfield Zoo and I'm forced to go there a lot (the zoo, not my mom's), so I hope they never escape.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:48:32 from 67.185.148.81

Sno, Love your plan! That sounds sort of like what I did and it felt great the day of the marathon. Some friends up here in the heights said they saw a bear going through their garbage can last Friday morning. Yikes!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:58:13 from 67.171.56.164

That's enough to convince me - no more taking the forest path down from Deer Park to Douglas for me! Reminds me of an old friend of mine who always took her two dogs on hikes and callously remarked -"it's for the bears; they'll chase the dogs and I'll get away."

From Dale on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:26:02 from 69.10.215.11

Just put all that hill training to good use and make the bear work for his dinner!

Good luck on Sat!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:37:32 from 67.171.56.164

LOL! I was thinking this morning, "I wonder if, when they say 'don't try to outrun a bear,' are they just talking about non-runners?" Despite my recent, successful 5K, I don't think I'd have a chance!

The bear sighting was actually really scary. Here is the resident's description: "Tonight I was walking around 9pm down the parkway when a Black Bear came out of the foliage and onto the paved trail right in front of me. He was a medium size and followed me as I crossed the parkway and flagged down a car to get a ride- The bear continued to cross the road behind me and went into Deer Park & Aster Creek area. Just a warning to everyone...stay safe! And a BIG thank you to the family who picked me up off the side of the road and gave me a ride to safety!!! Way too close for comfort."

From Bonnie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:04:53 from 75.164.37.45

Wow. I am sure you would PR by a long shot if you were being chased by a bear. Maybe I should get a bear costume and run with you on Saturday? ;-).

No veggie challenge?

Have a great day.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:51:09 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Bonnie, Good news: the veggie challenge is now an un-challenge - it sort of became a habit after the last one. This morning with breakfast I had some "carrot chips" (sliced like chips) and polished off the leftover Watercress Coulis from dinner. (Steam the leaves - a LOT of leaves - briefly, drain well, add Creme Fraiche, an egg yolk, salt and nutmeg.) Yum!

I will look for you on Saturday. What color will your fur be?

From Bonnie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:59:19 from 128.196.228.134

Good news indeed!

In order to be a scarey as possible I will not tell you what color, just run very fast because I will want to catch you!!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 15:23:31 from 67.171.56.164

Ok. But don't chase me too energetically cuz it's not a time goal marathon, remember? And I might want to stop to take a picture or something.

From Bonnie on Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 15:25:31 from 128.196.228.134

I was thinking more about it not being a "marathon" time goal -- but maybe a little 10 mile pr or something ;-). Mainly, just enjoy Sno, and revel in the fact that you can run so well and so far -- all the time!!

From Kelli on Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 18:11:14 from 71.219.76.64

You will do great!!! Rest up, drink lots of fluids!

From auntieem on Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 23:19:59 from 67.182.145.8

Good plan to rest a bit. I'm not the least little bit tired, myself! No track workouts this week, just easy miles (see my blog). Plan on running tomorrow a bit and then off on Friday.

Yes, its bear season. Have already seen a couple up at the cabin. Hope I get to see baby ones this year!

Excited about Saturday's race. Its gonna be fun!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.270.000.000.002.27

Low 50s, gusty winds, wet streets.  Easy run, w/ 4 strides (~50 m).

This is the last run before Saturday; everything feels fine.  :)

There is an old Dilbert cartoon where some consultant is showing the engineers how some plan or product will work (I may have the details a bit off),  and near the end of his presentation there is a slide that says, "Insert Miracle Here."    I would like to make sure I'm not writing a race plan that looks like that, and that I don't communicate any such thing here on the blog. 

I was thinking about this on my run this morning.  I know I've said "no time goal" for this race before, but -- in a dear and much appreciated mark of friendship -- some bloggers still seem to think I'm going to run fast on Saturday, maybe PR, maybe even BQ.  (Isn't it hilarious that these acronyms have become verbs?)   I guess I can't stop anyone from this generous and supportive viewpoint.  And I really do appreciate your confidence!  But, just so that I can have some peace of mind about this, I am going lay out my race plan in detail.

Overall goals: having fun, negative split, enjoy the experience, keep it slow enough to recover quickly for training towards my "real" marathon in Oct., run the last 5 miles really strongly if possible.

My first 2-4 miles- nice and slow; take some pictures of the crowds. I may never race a big mega race again and if I have any chance of enjoying it, I think I must not "fight" it by worrying about my position or speed.

Up to mile 13- still easy, no miles under 9:30.

Miles 13-21- have a very steady pace between 9:30-10:10

Last 5 miles - speed up if I can, hold steady if I can't speed up.

See you on the other side!  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 2.27
Comments
From Kelli on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:51:25 from 71.219.76.64

Okay, I am packing up an moving today. I want your weather.

I think that is a very solid race plan, and I think it is good to have a very specific plan. You will do great, and I truly believe that enjoying the experience is a great priority for this race. If "miracles" happen, then yeah. But if you enjoyed it and stick with your plan, that is all that really matters!

I wish I could be there to cheer you on, but know that we are all with you and supporting you!!! I can not wait to read the details---I love your race reports!

Have fun! Enjoy tomorrow off and eat some good food!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:55:22 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks so much, Kelli! I truly wish I could share some of the cool air -- you are one of my weather soul-mates.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:45:32 from 67.182.240.249

Sno,

Great plan... I'm sure you will enjoy the race! I can't wait to hear your race report.

From Kelsey on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:30:04 from 128.186.154.139

Oh man, I am drooling over that weather as well. Funny the things you take for granted!

Glad everything is feeling well and ready to roll. Hope everything goes as planned. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!

From JD on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 14:01:09 from 166.203.178.206

What Kelli said...plus...

ROCK-N-ROLL BABY!!!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 14:15:39 from 75.164.32.215

It's my race and I can do what I want to, do what I want to ... (chorus)

I like the plan a lot -- enjoy the day Sno!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 16:39:31 from 70.56.90.30

Go check out the post by Paul today to see what I mean about the "popular kids". :-)

Hope you really enjoy the run...and I think you will with no pressures to worry about.

From nicole on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 16:52:28 from 174.144.237.19

good luck good luck good luck!!! I have a good feeling you will dominate as well!! I wish I was running it, I would be happy to do the bear dressup for you! :-) maybe I will see you amongst the 25000 people! GOOD LUCK!

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 17:00:52 from 72.224.24.41

Have a great race!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 19:21:41 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff - Oh yeah, I see what you mean!

Thanks everyone! I'm going to try not to have so much fun that I forget to keep running. ;)

From auntieem on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 19:48:30 from 67.182.145.8

Nice plan! Looking forward to picking your brains on details for my plan as well. I'm really bad at planning and even worse at sticking to the plan!

We are going to rock!

From april27 on Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:22:53 from 99.188.251.180

I can't wait to read your race report. Glad you are bringing a camera...What do you plan to do with it after the first few miles?

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:12:45 from 67.171.56.164

My Atalanta Commitment skirt has two pockets for "the usual" marathon cargo and since I'm just cruising this race I'm adding my Spi-belt for the camera. It's a pretty slim little thing anyway.

From rattletrap on Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 14:20:12 from 24.19.93.139

Good luck tomorrow!! Be sure to look back and get a picture of me if you pass me :) I'll be wearing flaming board shorts and a Bank-to-Bay t-shirt.

I don't know if you saw this in your race info or not, but your family and friends can sign up to get text updates of your race progress at competitorwireless.com

From Kelli on Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 15:44:47 from 71.219.76.64

The ladies in my running group all bought Atalanta running skirts for Boston and I love them!!! That reminded me I need to get online and buy some.

Have fun and tons of luck your way!

From april27 on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:45:17 from 99.188.251.180

Hve you worn your spi belt with your fuel belt? Just curious b/c I have a fuel belt but the little pouch isn't big enough for my phone and beans and wherever else...wondering if I should try to find another pouch or just get a spi belt...

Have fun tomorrow!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 15:08:52 from 67.171.56.164

Sorry for the late response, April; I'm just getting caught up... I don't have a fuel belt. I have a 6 oz. fuel flask that fits into my skirt pocket and I have a Camelbak that I hate and rarely wear. There were a ton of cool belts at the expo. The Spibelt doesn't hold very much but it also doesn't bounce.

From april27 on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 22:14:39 from 99.188.251.180

Sno--you must answer me right away~ I have been waiting by my computer for your response! LOL just kidding..

But really 6 oz is all you need for a long run? I sucked down 3 bottles of my fuel belt on my 8 miler last week. I can't imagine haven't so little water! I can't imagine that a camel pack would be comfy on your back while running. I would think that would bounce!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 00:03:09 from 67.171.56.164

No, no! The fuel belt isn't for water. Imagine how many gels you might need and that's what's in the flask, just diluted with enough water to make it easier to squeeze out. I make my fuel from honey, protein powder and some other stuff.

From april27 on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 16:49:50 from 143.43.8.18

LOL you scared and confused me! I get it now!

Race: Seattle Rock n Roll Marathon (26.2 Miles) 04:48:08
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
26.200.000.000.0026.20

Goal: fun & easy.
Splits: 5K 33:39, 10K 1:07, half 2:20, 30K 3:18, 40K 4:19
Weather: Low 50s, rising into low to mid 70s, sunny & clear

Number 18 in the bag!  It was a rockin and a rollin, but more like an ocean liner than Duane Allman’s fingers on a fret board.... slow!  Executive summary - a great experience overall, though I did not handle the rising temperatures well.  I did not see Elvis. And I was so sure he’d be there.

I’ll get the whining out of the way right off the bat, then the raves, and then a little blow-by-blow.  First, the whining...

This is a very hilly course.  From the first little rise at mile 1.6 to the last seemingly gruesome climb at 25 (what hill is minor at that point?), there are a lot of hills.  Many of them were gentle or short, and there were certainly long stretches of flat running, but the hills were formidable.  I greatly pity the runners who had no hill training. 

It’s just pathetic, I know, but I got so hot once we were out on the I-90 floating bridge. And I never really cooled off after that.  It’s about 1.5 miles over the bridge and back; on the way out there was a slight breeze, and Mt. Rainier was out, and I was still in my happy place. But when I turned back, out of the breeze, I started to feel my face flushing and all I wanted was to reach the shade of the tunnel ahead. 

The tunnel. Ok. This just should not be legal.  We rejoined the half-marathoners as we entered the tunnel and within 15 seconds the roar of sound was unbearable.  People were screaming, whooping, and the band at the far end was cranked up with their speakers pointed down towards the other end.  I didn’t really know where the roar was coming from; the Mt. Baker tunnel (seen in this picture as the freeway disappears into the landscape for a bit) is a little over a half mile long and it wasn’t until I was right on top of the band that I realized they were there. I was just trying to keep my head down and get through there as quickly as I could.  And - it wasn’t much cooler inside the tunnel than out.

Shortly after the tunnel we were all funneled into a narrower lane of traffic and there seemed to be 1 marathoner for every 15-20 half-ers, most of whom seemed to be struggling through their last 2 miles.  Dodge, weave, dodge, weave.  I never thought I’d be faced with that kind of running at mile 13!  (Our mileage was higher than theirs because we marathoners had an out and back on the bridge.)

Let’s see. What else can I complain about?  The road surface was really rough in places when we were on the freeway.  I had to get up at 2:50 AM to get into Seattle for the shuttle buses.  And if it’s warm enough for no sleeves who wants to wear a black? (The race t-shirt.) Glad I didn’t have mine on for the race!

Now for the praises...

The race organization was excellent!  Those Rock n Roll people really know what they are doing! 

I surprised myself by liking most of the bands!  Because of my age and my musical tastes, I didn’t think I would enjoy most of the music.  In mile 3, when we all ran past a band singing the Beatles’ “Come together,” everyone started singing along.  Excellent fun!   I did have to listen to “Too Many Puppies” twice.  Even one Too Many Puppies is too many Too Many Puppies in my book.  Ah, but I was done whining, wasn’t I?

When the course was pretty, it was incredibly pretty!  The first few miles are pretty trashy, but then we got views of some lovely neighborhoods, Lake Washington (complete with bald eagle overhead), Mt. Rainier, Elliot Bay and Lake Union.   Anyone visiting from out of town really got to see the best of Seattle today.  For their sakes, I was happy for the clear skies.  Sunshine -- most people do seem to enjoy that sort of thing. 

The volunteers, support crew and the crowds were all really nice.  I ran my marathon so slowly and the enthusiasm isn’t usually that good after 4 hours.  Maybe they were all happy about that sunshine stuff.

Spending time with AuntieEm, fellow blogger and my friend from Ravelry.com (and with whom I’ve run 3 races now) was delightful! 

Ok, a little overview of my race and I’ll sign off. (Warning, Contains material of a disgusting nature.)

Because I am so anxiety prone, and because I couldn’t see how they would ferry 25,000 runners to Tukwila with only 400 buses, I had told my lovely house guest, AuntieEm, that I would have to be on an early bus.  We left the house about 3:30 and about an hour later we were shivering safely in the Start Village.  With nearly 3 hours to wait.  (Forgot to whine about that.)  Though the race began at 7, my corral did not take off until a little after 7:25.  I shed my thrift-store sweat shirt at the first water station.

By mile 6 we were along Lake Washington and everything was Feeling Groovy. (I didn’t hear that song, but it would have been nice.) This is the best part of the course, in my opinion.  With the trees and the lake, it is just lovely.  I could tell even here that things were warming up, but I still felt great and hoped for the best. 

I think it was sometime around mile 10 or 11 that the marathoners split off to run over the I-90 floating bridge and back.  See section 1, Whining, for details.

The half marathoners left us for their finish line sometime during our 14th or 15th mile.  Sorry for the vagueness; after spending a half mile in the tunnel, I gave up on any kind of Garmin Gazing, and the mile markers were kind of small (read, I wasn’t paying attention).  This is not a good race for people who like their Garmins to guide them.  First is the aforementioned tunnel.  Then when we parted from the half-ers we ran for a long time on the bottom deck of the viaduct, and a little later there were 2 passes through the Battery Street tunnel.   In spite of all these periods of gps no-mans-land, my Garmin read 26.52 at the finish!  Sigh.  Maybe it just freaked out on me, but I know I ran a lot of extra steps -- there was almost no way to cut the tangents when we were packed together, and there was at least a mile of dart-and-dodge at mile 13 (see above).

Once one is away from Elliot Bay, there is very little scenery to speak of until the mile 19 turnaround at the Aurora Bridge.  Leading up to this bridge, we climb and climb for what seemed like a couple of miles -- on the least shady side of the street.  Feeling too warm became feeling hot and for me that means - Nausea and GI distress.  :(  At the turnaround I spent about 5 minutes in a Honey Bucket, unfortunately heating up even more.  Maybe I’ll just skip this part.

When we got back over the bridge we got to run downhill on the shadier side of Hwy 99 - ah!  I was feeling a bit better now.  Back through the Battery Street tunnel and past beautiful Elliot Bay, with the ferries streaming out over the Sound. 

If I were designing this course, I would have taken everyone around the lovely, wooded Seward Park at ~ mile 6 and eliminated the last little bit. We had to run past the finish area and down to the West Seattle bridge entrance, make another hairpin turnaround, and run back.  Just 3 miles, but it felt like forever. My nausea returned and all I could think of that last mile was how embarrassing it would be if I puked.  The crowds from mile 26 to the finish are thick and loud.  But I made it ok. 

It took me about 25 minutes to walk to my car, my legs were so shot.  Now that I’ve had a nap and some Ibuprofen, I am feeling much better, and we’re off to Mexican food in a few minutes.  I will conclude that I hope to remember this experience forever, the fun and beauty of it but also the feeling of being too warm -- I do not want to run any more summer marathons! Even the “cool” ones in June are just not good for this cloud lover.

Triax 12 II Miles: 26.20
Comments
From The Howling Commando on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 21:21:05 from 72.224.24.41

You get commando points! Wow. What a good race report. It captures the ups, the downs, and most of all, your ability to rise above the obstacles and still have a blast! One of the things that makes you a role model for me. Smiles, smiles, and more smiles. After all, what's the point of running if you don't enjoy it, right/!

From Bonnie on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 21:32:05 from 75.164.32.215

Great report Sno, 18 in the bag!

From allie on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 21:35:59 from 65.160.29.66

wow. a very captivating report. love it! congratulations on your race today. great job!

sorry you didn't see elvis :(

From Tracy on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 21:57:55 from 173.24.32.153

Congrats on your race today! Sounds like you had a great time--gotta love that!

From JD on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 22:39:20 from 32.178.121.40

Great report! 18 marathons, wow!!

Primus wants you to call them. :-)

From Mark on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 22:45:29 from 173.168.88.68

Glad you had fun and enjoyed it. Most excellent race report!

From Sean Sundwall on Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 23:20:40 from 98.247.29.82

Great job...way to hang in there. You should try the half next time. I will probably never run the RNR full...just too many hills. You were one of nine from the Mt. Si Running Club to race today...the only one to run the full marathon. Kudos for that.

From Dale on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:15:17 from 69.10.215.11

My thoughts exactly on the hills, tunnels, and heat. I know us PNW'ers are whimps when it comes to the sun and warm weather, but hey, when it makes it hurt, it hurts.

Nice job on #18!

From april27 on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:16:07 from 99.188.251.180

Great report--I had to giggle when you were mentioning how others may like all the sun and nice weather stuff...I too like some cloud cover. You are my hero! 18 marathons! Awww someday that will happen...someday!

From auntieem on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:52:14 from 67.182.145.8

Sno! I saw Elvis, and I told him to wait for you! Dang. Wish I had heard "Come Together" but I didn't. I thought of you often after I finished, and sadly suspected you were getting too warm - what do you think became of that Texan couple running in their sweatshirts! I think everyone in the race hated the tunnel - ghastly idea.

Congratulations on number 18!

From nicole on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:53:21 from 68.26.246.84

Great job Sno!! after hearing how hilly the course really was, I felt less sad about not getting to do it! :-) and I got to see most of the elites finish, which was inspiring and something I'd never seen before. my friend also thought it was HHHHOOOTTTT!!! way to get 18 in the bag!

From Kelli on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:03:59 from 71.219.76.64

You are such an amazing runner and WRITER! I love your race reports and daily running logs! Love it!

Okay, that tunnel would absolutely freak me out. I do not think I could do that race! And heat absolutely kills a run for me, too! It is so hard to adjust to, sorry it caused you grief.

Great work!! Glad you had fun and accomplished your goal of taking it easy!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:32:56 from 97.126.146.56

Congratulations on number 18!! WOW you are amazing!

Love your race report! Sorry the heat got to you and not seeing Elvis.

You are such an inspiration!!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 13:49:51 from 67.171.56.164

It's so great to read everyone's comments!!! Thank you!!!! Before the blog, I'd be boring anyone I could find to talk endlessly about my races and my running. It's so great to have a community where I can share all this now! I feel pretty good this morning (though sore) and I cannot wait to start training again! Wouldn't you know it, it's cloudy today.

From Kelli on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 16:58:21 from 71.219.76.64

Of course it would be cloudy today!

Heal well and thanks for sharing your stories with us! We love to hear them!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 19:01:04 from 71.229.164.25

Hey Sno.

It sounds like you had a fun race despite the heat and the tunnels and Too Many Puppies.

Wow. 18 marathons. You are really quite the marathoner. You're going to be raring to go for that fall marathon.

I like a sunny day if I'm not running, but clouds are definitely better for a run.

From Canyon Man on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52:20 from 71.164.9.70

Snoqualmie,

I too ran the full marathon and reading your blog sounded like my experience step for step. Not only was the tunnel crowded and LOUD, but it was actually hotter than outside! This was my first marathon so I don't really know if this was a hilly course compared to others or not, but I am sure glad my training included a lot of hills! Congrats on 18.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:09:45 from 67.171.56.164

Congrats, Canyon Man! I would say this was a very hilly marathon compared to others. It wasn't the hilliest I've ever run, but it's up there in the top 5. But then there are the trail marathons - a whole 'nother world of hilliness. Glad you had a good experience and I hope you'll have many more! :)

From Little Bad Legs on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 13:15:57 from 24.216.235.183

Snoqualmie- Congrats on yet another marathon! I'm impressed with your ability to jump back so quickly.

I completely agree about summer marathons being too hot-especially if you're used to the cloud cover. Once again, good job and enjoy your recovery. What's the next marathon?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 13:28:25 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, LBL. Next up is Royal Victoria. I am getting very excited about training for it. I love marathon recovery for that - you just plan the hard work and don't have to do it yet! lol I want to really work on my stamina with some faster long runs and fast finish long runs. I'm even considering taking advantage of an offer for coaching that Sean Sundwall made to our running club. If he'll have slow, stubborn me. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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Resting today again.  Blogging my eight hours of sleep.  :D  LOL   I am walking down stairs backwards, but the soreness doesn't feel as bad as usual.  I miss running but I like the sleeping!  

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:16:46 from 71.229.164.25

Sleep is good. It's good that the soreness isn't as bad as usual. You'll be back training for that fall marathon in no time.

From JD on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:27:51 from 64.65.159.206

With your level of conditioning, Saturdays marathon was just another good long run...with 25,000 of your closest friends.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:29:24 from 67.185.148.81

Glad you survived! What's next? You wanna do Torchlight? I'm sure you are doing railroad days 10K right?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:39:40 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, I am *done* with crowded downtown races for the present. LOL Railroad Days - I wish! We are celebrating a birthday in the family that day and I must be on hand to pamper...

From april27 on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:53:33 from 99.188.251.180

Wow that is a lot of people! I think Chicago last year had 35,000...But I"m pretty sure many did not show due to Hurricane Isaac conditions. I can't wait to run Madison--only 2500 1/2 marathon entrants allowed..and I think they just barely hit 1000 that have signed up...yippee small race!

From auntieem on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 13:15:06 from 67.182.145.8

Oh, so glad you are catching up on sleep. I was unnaturally sleepy all day yesterday! Put some ice on my IT band, lay down in the grass, and fell asleep.

I am glad the soreness is not as bad as usual; that is a great indicator of your level of conditioning I think.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 17:17:50 from 70.56.91.12

Oops! I forgot you already told me about railroad days...sorry- Crowds are the worst...next year consider Newport, OR. marathon - it's a beautiful setting and its not crowded and your husband and daughter can have a good time and it's fairly cool(temp.) but best of all it's at sea level and flat for the most part.

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I had a 20 minute walk last night and another 35 minutes this morning.  The difference between those two walks represents how fast I feel this recovery is going.  Last night I had to put my hand on Mr. Sno's shoulder to step off the curbs, and this morning it was no problem.  Stairs yesterday: forwards but still pretty wonky and have to hold on to the rail; stairs today: smooth and "no hands Ma" though a bit weak.   I might be able to jog a little tomorrow!  :D  

After my walk I did about 25 minutes of upper body weights, abs, and stretching while watching the Daniels/McMillan training dvd.  Has anyone else seen that? It's pretty interesting.  

Comments
From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:05:24 from 207.225.192.66

Yeeeppyyyy!! It just goes to so you that you are in great shape! You are recovering very well :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:10:16 from 71.229.164.25

It sounds like your recovery is coming along very nicely.

I have not heard of that DVD. More info, please.

From JD on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:51:21 from 166.183.165.133

Wonky! At least you mobile eh? I love the feeling of satisfaction of rest well earned. Enjoy your recovery from #18!

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:55:24 from 67.182.145.8

Wow, you are speedy! Jogging tomorrow. I second it: more info. on the video pease.

From april27 on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:56:00 from 99.188.251.180

speedy recovery! More info about the DVD

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 23:58:59 from 67.171.56.164

Re the DVD: Here is a link to the preview for it on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ug9S6umlPs

Most of it is fairly basic but he tells a lot of interesting stories about famous runners and explains the physiology of training in detail.

From Bonnie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 14:59:57 from 128.196.228.134

Dean and I were there when that video was made!! As a matter of fact at least one version of the 'uncut' version has Dean asking a really good question to Jack Daniels!! He is one smart cookie. Do they have the stretching and/or core stuff on there too?

Good job on the recovery Sno!!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:33:29 from 67.171.56.164

That's so cool! I will enjoy the video even more now! Tell Dean I'd like him to autograph my copy when next we meet.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.220.000.000.003.22

Low 50s, clear and sunny.  

Running again!  Slow, but very pleasant.  It looks like we're in for a week or more of relentless sunshine.  But forecasts can be wrong; I'll keep my fingers crossed. ;)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 3.22
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From The Howling Commando on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 10:24:42 from 72.224.24.41

At least you have relentless sunshine. It is raining again here in NY for about the 12th or 13th day in a row. Miserable. Glad to see you're running again!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 10:38:38 from 67.171.56.164

I would trade!

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 10:39:34 from 71.219.89.21

No, Benn, we want the rain!!!!!

Lightening struck something in our neighborhood yesterday and the power was out for a little while, but it rained for all of maybe a minute and it was so hot!!!

I am glad you were able to get out and run today and that the legs are feeling better!!! Take care and enjoy the indoors and the AC!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 11:25:36 from 71.229.164.25

Congratulations on getting out to run. You are really recovering quickly this time.

Sorry you're not getting the weather you like. It happens to us all.

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 11:28:49 from 67.182.145.8

Hey! Nice job with the run. I'm sure it felt great to run again. So funny you hate the sun; I just come alive when there is sunshine! Freaky, huh?

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 11:30:02 from 67.185.148.81

Carolyn, The sun is out and yesterday it was high 70's...If Sno doesn't like this weather, then she doesn't like life!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 12:02:41 from 207.225.192.66

Nice job getting out and running!! Looks like you are recovering nicely. Looks like summer has come to all of us :)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 13:01:28 from 67.171.56.164

Aunti - A friend and I have a theory that this has a lot to do with eye color. It's obviously not what you would call hot here, but she and I are both suddenly craving winter. We theorize that there is a neurological issue with the sunshine. If I'm in a forested area on a really hot, sunny day it doesn't bother me at all. Sunshine in the winter months likewise is no problem, very pleasant. With your darker eye color, it fits my theory that you like it! :)

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 19:27:57 from 71.219.89.21

I have very dark brown eyes. What does that mean?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 20:09:33 from 67.171.56.164

It means my theory -- ahem -- needs work.

From Bonnie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 20:34:05 from 128.196.228.134

I have light colored eyes and would take cloudy, rainy/snowy days over any other type of weather myself.

From april27 on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 21:18:27 from 99.188.251.180

Wow and looks like we have the same weather!

Bonnie--I hear that about the light eyes...I hate sunlight!

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:16:27 from 67.182.145.8

I don't really like to talk to people who hate sun.

Edit: Does that sound too harsh?

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:26:24 from 71.219.89.21

I do not hate the sun, I just hate HEAT. So you can still talk to me!!! ;-)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:29:24 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, There is a place for people who like it. It's called California.

Just kidding. I am very happy for those of you who are enjoying this. Especially in Washington, where you get so little.

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:33:03 from 71.219.89.21

I forgot to mention that we had very dark clouds roll in around 1:30 today and then it rained! (I was at the swimming pool, so it was not great timing, though.) It has been cool outside ever since. We have all the windows open and it is actually getting downright cold!! I love that for July in Utah!!! I wish it would stay (again, I should just move in with you).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.450.000.000.006.45

Easy run w/ Mt. Si Running Club.  Clear & sunny, high 50s F rising into 60s.  

I ran about a mile on my own to warm up before the club met.  Everything feels great, though not a lot of zing! in the legs.  I felt like I could have kept going quite a lot farther, so recovery is coming right along.  It's the leave-em-wanting-more method of marathon recovery.  Tomorrow is a scheduled day off, and on Monday I get to start running more!  :D

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 6.45
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 13:27:30 from 71.229.164.25

I'm glad your recovery is coming along so well. You're in great shape.

From Nancy on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 09:26:36 from 76.27.11.127

I'm glad you have a running club to run with. I really enjoy running with my running group even though I am the oldest and slowest person there. It sounds like you are really into marathon running.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:16:36 from 67.171.56.164

I *am* really into marathon running. Love it! It's always hard but I get such a tremendous amount of satisfaction from marathons.

I am pretty sure I'm the oldest in my running club too. Not the slowest, because we have a lot of beginners. But it has been fun to meet other runners around here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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Feeling restless...  I got up this morning and wrote a poem. It's dreadful, so don't even ask me to share it.  But I will give you the nutshell version: I didn't run today.  I wish very much that I was back up to my usual miles.  I am at the beginning of a new training period with all this possibility laying before me.  Now is the time to make good choices.

The best thing to do at a time like this is immerse oneself in one's training books, planner in hand.  I may be having some coaching with Sean after all (haven't heard from him), in which case things will be somewhat simpler.  But for now I'm reviewing principles and picking workouts. 

When I got to my Daniels Formula book, I realized I had not yet plugged my new 5K PR (2 weeks ago) into his tables.  O-ho! A new VDOT number!  39.  That's up from 37!  But then I went to the pace table and the paces for VDOT 39 seem way high.  I guess that's just sticker shock; Mr. Daniels knows quite a lot more about these things than I.   (E = 10:23, M = 8:57, T = 8:22,  I = 1:54 for 400m, R = :53 for 200m)  But perhaps those are targets rather than current training paces.  I'll have to reread...

And as long as we are talking about Stuff Sno Doesn't Understand...  I would love someone to explain Peaking.  (Have I whined about this before?)  I've read all about it and I know what is meant by the term, but I cannot wrap my brain around it in a practical sense.  Let's say I lose all my senses and take a job as a refuse collection person (don't know the current PC term).  At first, my muscles will be very sore lifting the garbage cans into the truck.  After a while they will get stronger. Eventually, it will be no problem, lift, lift, lift.  There is no "peak," after which I will be come a less able lifter.   Why should running muscles behave any differently?  Maybe someone can straighten me out. 

Enough rambling... tomorrow I run!

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From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 13:19:49 from 98.247.33.193

Sno - Sean is in Utah with family...don't know when he will be back.

Would love to see you use him as a coach. **WARNING** He will force you to get out of any comfort zone you might be in though.

Hang in there!

From Dale on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 16:39:56 from 69.10.215.11

Congrats on progressing not one but two VDOT values! Don't let your brain get in your way when it comes to those increased paces....they'll feel harder at first, but believe and they'll feel normal after a while.

Peaking is about the rest immediately before the race to give the muscles a temporary boost. Too long and detraining starts. Too short and you're muscles haven't completely healed from the wear/tear of normal training. Too much speedwork and you'll peak prematurely, essentially overstressing your system too much and moving into overtraining. Remember, it's partial neural, not just muscular. If you're garbage-person took a few days off, they'd come back "recharged" and ready to pitch the trash at an increased rate but not for long (before they'd get worn out from the day-to-day work again).

Or maybe I'm completely full of it....

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 17:41:09 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks Dale. If I understand you correctly, peaking --unlike other strenuous endeavors --would have to involve working past a point that one could sustain week after week indefinitely?

From Bonnie on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 17:55:13 from 75.164.107.85

My understanding of peaking is based on Daniels approach to periodization of training. Base training (4-12 weeks) of relatively slow aerobic running (with some strides/fartleks thrown in). Then stamina (longer intervals with long recovery - about 1/2 of the interval length - mainly at 15K - 1/2 marathon pace). Then into speed/race specific training. For 1/2 marathon and below this would be intervals at mile - 10K pace and some fast finish runs @ 1/2 marathon pace or faster. The thought is that if you do this for a month you will be "race sharp". If you do this longer then you risk getting burnt out, stale, and possibly over-trained. This varies by individual and what they are used to doing - but it is generally the way that many track athletes in particular structure their training. Base = summer, cross-country = stamina, track (spring) = speed and repeat. If you are relying on marathons for your livelihood (Kenyans) then you do no more than 3 of them a year (most only do 2) and you will do a marathon version of this.

Terrance Mahon (coaches Deena Kastor and Ryan Hall) uses something similar to this system. Salazar (Kara Goucher's coach) and Hudson (I don't know what elite athletes he is coaching anymore) both approach it a little differently.

From Dale on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 19:00:16 from 69.10.215.11

I think that's a fair statement. You try to walk the fine line between maximum training and over-training week after week. Eventually, you're going to get to the point where you're body needs a break. Just before that, you give it some pre-emptive rest to allow it to absorb your recent training without stressing it further, bringing you to a peak.

Guess you can probably tell I only kinda understand it myself.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 19:49:02 from 71.229.164.25

I'm afraid I don't have any wisdom to add, but I'm glad to read the comments and learn from all of you.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 20:58:48 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks for the lengthy replies! I really do appreciate the explanations very much, but the thing I didn't get, I still don't get... I get that athletes practice periodization, and what the phases are. And I guess I get the concept of peaking in so far as being in the highest possible level of fitness on race day. But I don't get why there would be such a thing as "peaking too soon" or "overtraining." Unless it's just the absurdly harsh non-sustainability of the fitness level, which might not apply to us recreational runners anyway, why is there a "peak" instead of just a new plateau of fitness? If someone trains "too hard," why wouldn't the usual cut back week or other brief recovery put her right back on track? Why should fitness suddenly be reversed (ie the downhill side of the peak that came "too soon")? It is not so in any other areas of physical endeavor, is it? Why should muscles cells in athletes need a routine so different from muscle cells in, say, trash collectors?

From Dale on Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 23:38:47 from 69.10.215.11

I think part of the problem is that its hard to tell when you've peaked too soon or when you dip into overtraining. Is the fatigue just normal heavy training fatigue or overtraining? What brings out your individual peak? If you could reliably tell when you overtrained and when you were at your peak, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal, but the signs are so subtle and easy to miss.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 10:58:14 from 71.229.164.25

I've been thinking about this and I think the comparison between the garbage collector and the runner breaks down because the garbage collector is working to a plateau, while the runner is going for a peak. The garbage collector has to collect from a fixed number of stops and the average weight of the garbage is fairly constant. He builds up to where he can do that route and than stays there. This might be analagous to a runner who runs 8-10 miles a day, but never goes any longer or any faster. But that's not what we runners usually do. We try to go longer or faster or both.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:04:37 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, Carolyn. If I may continue to probe, why isn't the runner's progression also experienced in plateaus? If the garbage collectors route becomes longer, or the city gives everyone larger trash cans one year, he will have to go longer and be stronger. Why isn't running like that?

From auntieem on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:08:27 from 67.182.145.8

I think that the reason you can peak "too soon" is all relative to a particular event you are training for. For example, if you are training for a race in say, September, your training schedule will be tailored with base miles, strength building and speed work miles, PLUS TAPER TIME, all relative to that date. Peaking too soon just means that you've organized the training so that it doesn't all fall in place for that date, I think.

Obviously, we can't always be at our peak for performance, unless, like a 1-2 marathon per year runner, we limit our races to just a few.

From Bonnie on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:31:18 from 128.196.228.134

My understanding, based primarily on Daniel's explanation of the physiology of running, is that the cycle of stress -> recovery -> stress/improvement can be used on a weekly/monthly/yearly basis. You make the most improvement when you stress the system allow it to recover and then stress it again. Many training plans use this for the basis of both weekly training (sometimes called microcycles) as well as training for specific races (sometimes called mesocycles - short term running goals). This is also used for macrocycles (long term running goals lasting years or more). The common belief is that if you simply stress without proper recovery at any of the cycles (including macrocycles) then you might just stress without improving. So, many believe that stressing without recovery in the 'best' case can lead to plateau's in fitness (simply not improving ... but still functioning). Worst case senarios are inability to recover (called over-training) and injury.

I like the way you think Auntie, despite the fact you don't like me anymore because I dread the sun. Actually, I don't dread it all the time, just right now it is wearing on me ;-).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.180.000.000.006.18

Easy run, bringing mileage back up this week.  58F and cloudy. :)

ETA: 20 min. weights & stretches

The weather seemed to be welcoming me back today. Not that 58F is so very cool, but the cloud cover was heavenly.  (No pun intended, lol.)  The cool grey light makes all the colors of foliage stand out, and the temperature feels like what it is  without the sun warming up everything that isn't shaded.

New week, new training cycle, perhaps even new paces?  I glanced at my Garmin every now and then on relatively flat bits of terrain today to see whether I am fitting in with the Daniels "easy" pace I mentioned yesterday, 10:23.  I was a bit erratic actually. But mostly slower than 10:23, even after my warm up.  Nevertheless, a couple of times I was closer to 9:50.  I'm not going to worry about it, but I do find it interesting that my pace fluctuated so much. 

I signed up for RW's daily quotations, and received my first one today. It's pretty good, so I'm going to put it in my profile after I save this entry:  "As every runner knows, running is about more than just putting one foot in front of the other; it is about our lifestyle and who we are."  --Joan Benoit Samuelson

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.18
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From auntieem on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:12:29 from 67.182.145.8

I like the quote. Somehow it makes me feel like I'm not taking running too seriously, after all.

Garbage collectors are called "Solid Waste Specialists".

I freaked out too, when we were given our training paces for various distances. I thought that 8:30 for marathon pace seemed hopelessly unatainable. But now it seems fine; just takes some getting used to. The struggle for me is still to keep the easy miles easy. I know that this is important, I just can't do it very often! Sometimes I think that I am really a sprinter (10K).

From The Howling Commando on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:29:32 from 72.224.24.41

I like your short term running goal of wearing racing flats for a full marathon. When you get a chance I want to ask you a few questions about training for a first ultra. I have heard mixed reactions to ultras. Some people claim ultras don't start until 50m others say 50k counts. I really want to get back to marathoning/ultras and Nevels is having me slowly build up my mileage. Since you've done both I just want to hear about how you went about training for your first one. I know it's different than the shorter races.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:49:31 from 67.171.56.164

Hi H.C. - I'm afraid you are mistaken: I have never run an ultra. I have run a 27 mile training run for a marathon (bad idea, btw), but no races beyond 26.2. I am so glad you're back to base building! Hurray!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:52:11 from 67.171.56.164

Aunt- "solid waste specialists" - LOL! If it were my job, I think I'd want something a little less yuppie, more macho, like, "incredibly tough, trash-tackling dudes."

From JD on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 13:04:12 from 64.65.159.206

Nice run. Nice post. Nice weather. Nice quote.

Have a nice day.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 13:10:11 from 198.241.217.15

I think you're ready for some new paces with your new training cycle. Is it your body or your mind that wants to stay at the old paces?

From auntieem on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 13:38:17 from 67.182.145.8

Yeah, or "beastly, buff garbage bashers". I'm looking pretty buff these days, myself. Going to post a picture of my right bicep.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 17:47:19 from 67.171.56.164

Yes please do!

Haul-a** Haulers

From april27 on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 08:45:19 from 99.188.251.180

I like the 'trash tackling dudes'

Aunt is your left bicep wiggley? I too started some weights...maybe in a month or so I will show you my right bicep. LOL

Sno-do you do leg strength exercises? Just wondering. I know ChiRunning says you shouldn't have to do any weights b/c it should all be gravity..but I can't help but wonder if some weights for my legs would do wonders for my shin issues.

From auntieem on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:37:50 from 67.182.145.8

No, of course my left bicep is not wiggly! But my right one flexes better. Now I feel that I have to post pictures of both biceps just to prove that I'm not lopsided.

From Kelli on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:40:05 from 71.219.89.21

Love that quote!!! i did not know they had daily quotes, I will have to sign up. You know how I love quotes!

Great job this week so far, good luck ramping the miles back up and I hope the weather holds for you!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:34 from 67.171.56.164

April - Re your shin, you can probably guess what my opinion is of that (what we talked about by email). I do use some leg strengthening exercises! There are two that I believe I need. One is like a lunge, except done vertically on a 14 inch step stool. The other is leg curls on a big exercise ball. Those are areas of my legs that get the most sore when I work hard so I figure there are weaknesses there.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.280.000.000.007.28

55F & cloudy.  :D   Objective: general aerobic and running form.  Trying to keep "easy" pace at 10:20-10:30. 

It was a great run, with the very interesting addition of seeing what that Daniels 10:23 pace feels like when done consistently.  With the exception of the warm up, cool down and a few very hilly places, I was right on target.  I cannot say it felt truly easy, but it was certainly doable and lots of fun.  (I'm pleased to see how great my legs feel this week.)  It made me start to wonder if I'm being lazy with my easy runs.  So now I'm contemplating using this pace for most of my non-speed workouts, but throwing in a really slow run every week and calling that "recovery pace."  

General reading...  Dean Karnzes in Forbes magazine.  (I think the title of the article should be Paradigm Shift instead of Hitting the Wall.)  Also, I'm enjoying the book Born To Run, about the Tarahumara tribe, distance running, and what humans are really capable of.  For your reading pleasure and background, I dug this paper on the Tarahumara.

ETA: Almost forgot to mention...  My run was cut short by a rather frustrating 5 minutes being locked inside one of the park bathrooms. That lock has been fussy for months and today it froze.  The 911 operator was just connecting me to local authorities when I finally freed myself.  I'll be calling the Parks Dept this morning.   Between that and having to be home by 6:15 today -- and for the next 3 weeks -- I'm short of today's goal of 9 miles.  Mr. Sno has to leave the house early during a road construction project, so I might even have to finish some of my runs... (cue horror movie music) on the treadmill!  Eeeek!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.28
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From Dale on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:33:58 from 69.10.215.11

Keep at those new paces. They'll move from doable to easy before you know it. Sometimes, you just need to get your brain out of your own way.

From auntieem on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:39:54 from 67.182.145.8

I agree with Dale, your "easy" pace will seem easy soon enough. I like the idea of the recovery pace too. When I run strides, I run 1/2 lap between them at probably 30 seconds slower than my easy pace, a "recovery" pace.

Sorry about your bathroom drama! That's a good reason to carry a cell phone when you run, I guess.

I've finished the "Born to Run" book! I loved every page. Can't recommend it enough.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:51:49 from 71.229.164.25

I agree that you'll do well with increasing your easy pace a bit.

So you got locked in a bathroom and called 911, eh? Quite a story.

I'll read the articles you posted a little later when I have some time.

From Bonnie on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:54:15 from 75.164.107.85

ha ha ha ha! Great story (though frustrating at the time I am sure!).

I am reading that book too!! I am only in the second chapter, I have been so busy with work that I haven't really had as much fun reading time as I would like. Dean really enjoyed it!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:12:53 from 67.171.56.164

It was pathetic really. I was watching the clock to see if I could get in there, pee and get out in under 1 minute. Not to be! And all I could think of was how I had promised Mr. Sno I'd be back early so he could battle the I-90 bridge repair traffic. The 911 operator had to ask me over and over, "and you are inside?" Well, duh! Would I be calling if I were outside?? Then she wanted to know if someone locked me in. 8( Of all the park bathrooms... this is the same one where I was stuck from my drawstring a couple of months ago. Bad bathroom!

From JD on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:21:58 from 166.203.239.236

Thanks for the link about the Tarahumara's. Enjoyable read. I've been meaning to pick up a copy of Born to Run.

Maybe I need to hit the tesguino a little harder to improve my endurance.

Nice run. I'm glad those paces are feeling easier.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 13:39:06 from 71.35.173.75

Sno,

Was it the main park bathroom? I've gotten stuck in the men's bathroom over there for a bit as well. I like to see the quicker paces! Good Job!

From auntieem on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:08:29 from 67.182.145.8

I've been using Chia Seed for several months now, just like the Tarahumara! It is all I ingest before running most mornings. It is really improving my Spanish.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:26:59 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff- The Women's Bathroom of Doom is at Stellar Park.

Aunt- I saw that about Chia seeds in the book. I might have to try that! Si!

From redrooster on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:36:37 from 71.219.135.124

geez, I am so claustrophobic I would have absolutely freaked out if that happened to me. For years I couldn't even get on an elevator.

Was looking forward to meeting the famous Sean S. here in Logan but he decided to enjoy Bear Lake with his family instead. good choice I have to admit!

Born to run is a great book- changed my philosophy on running once I got through the chapter on running injuries. No more high end lead weighted shoes for my feet if I can avoid them. Can't wait to see when you get your five fingers!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:48:21 from 67.171.56.164

Hey RedR! Nice to hear from you! Sean is great. Sorry you didn't get to meet him.

I have said for the longest time that I will not try the VFF "shoes," but to be quite honest I am sorely tempted lately. The fact that Sasha ran an entire marathon in them, and the Born to Run book, are making me think about it.

From auntieem on Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 15:26:50 from 67.182.145.8

Sno - Go down to REI. They have the VFF shoes. I ran all around the store. Make sure to run up the fake hiking mountain with the pebbles on it. They really wouldn't work for my trails here; too much surface variation on my runs. I am better off just stashing my regular running shoes in the bushes and going naked foot for awhile on certain trails, then back to my shoes for the rougher bits.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Taking a scheduled day off.  Not crazy about missing the run, but the sleep was wonderful! After tapering and then recovering, my brain had forgotten how to wake up at 4:30. Even though Monday and Tuesday were not super high mileage days, I still had to get up before 4:30 to accommodate Mr. Sno's temporary early commute.  By last night I was really feeling it and was happy to hit the pillow.   

More cloudy weather today - I love it!  

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:53:08 from 71.229.164.25

The sleep will do you good. You'll be glad tomorrow that you took the rest today. And I have no idea how you get up at 4:30. I haven't been able to get myself up before 6:00 for a while now. That's going to have to change when school starts in a month.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:01:19 from 67.171.56.164

School starts in a month?!?

You do so much great running w/ your current routine. That's what counts!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:54:04 from 97.126.146.56

Enjoy your day off... I should have took today off! But I feel like I have been such a slacker lately. Wish you could send some clouds down my way.

From april27 on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:02:43 from 99.188.251.180

I can usually get up by 530 during the summer if I needed to (i usually have my eyes open but don't physically get out of bed till 6am) but I don't know how you do it in the winter. If the sun isn't up it is soooo hard to get myself up! I love the dark!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:57:20 from 198.241.156.7

Yep, school starts August 10. Crazy.

From JD on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 13:33:09 from 32.176.185.74

Nice job!!

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 14:12:46 from 67.182.145.8

I knew you were enjoying this weather, while I've been suffering through it! Enjoy your day off if possible. I'm taking Friday off because the footrace is Saturday!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.150.000.000.009.15

Cloudy, 57F.  Moderate run (9:45-10:20).

15 min. weights

I had to finish this run on the dreadmill.  So now I'm thinking, how bad would it be to get up at 4:00 instead of 4:15, just two days per week?  And the road construction in Mr. Sno's commute won't last that long. Just a few weeks.  Even 15 minutes on the dreadmill is too much if there is another way...

My camel may have found its last straw.  We added one more activity to the Amazing Young Miss Sno's life this week.  There may be periods of time when I seem kind of quiet on the Comments.  I may have to do more lurking and less typing on my busiest mornings.

Food for thought:  "The optimal level of aerobic support for the marathon is also half-marathon pace. Because the endurance challenge of the marathon is so severe, your goal marthon pace has to be a virtual cakewalk, aerobically..." -Brad Hudson, Run Faster.

Lastly, here is an interesting video showing the difference in footstrike, for at least one runner, between barefoot and shoed running.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.15
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From Kelli on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:31:10 from 71.219.89.21

Do not break the camels back, just do what you can!!!

Nice run, sorry about the darn treadmill. I despise them as well.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:14:52 from 97.126.146.56

Nice run today... sorry that some of it was on the treadmill. But I think they are sometimes a necessary evil. Sounds like life is getting even more hectic for you. Interesting video... thanks for the link!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:45:10 from 67.185.148.81

Dreadmill is better than not even being able to run though - another perfect morning for running! That's 3 days in a row!!

From JD on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:50:15 from 64.65.159.206

Nice mid-week miles Sno.

So, is Hudson saying one should train for a marathon at half-marathon pace...or what? My brain is jello this morning and I can't wrap my mind around this quote.

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:10:03 from 67.182.145.8

Nice video. Makes it really apparent why so many shod runners have shin pain.

Sorry you are so busy and had to run on the dreadmill. You are a really good mommy though!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:43:14 from 198.241.156.7

Poor camel.

I have wondered before about that cake-walk comment.

Very interesting video.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 13:06:44 from 67.171.56.164

JD, Like Carolyn, I have thought about this comment of his for a very long time. Especially for slow folks like me, it makes sense that the marathon pace has to feel pretty comfortable aerobically if one is going to be doing it for FOUR+ hours. I think he is saying that your Aerobic System has to be well trained at half-marathon pace for the MP to be a "cake walk."

Here is a sentence that opens his remarks about Aerobic Support: "The concept of aerobic support refers to the specific foundation of aerobic system development that is best for performance at a given race distance. It's the level at which your aerobic system must be able to function to prevent oxygen delivery from limiting your performance in racing."

And here is the sentence that comes right after the one I quoted in my blog today: "Training your aerobic system for optimal performance at the aerobically more challenging half-marathon distance is the best way to ensure that it sails through the full marathon, even if your legs don't (and they never will!)." [Unless you are trained for ultras - my addition.]

So, what do you all make of that?

My camel is screaming now - gotta go!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 13:15:35 from 75.164.107.85

Thanks for the quote Sno -- take good care of the camel. It is a challenge and the blog sometimes has to be lowest on the priority list (unfortunately for us, since your lurking around is missed when you are not here).

I think that Brad got it right on the money for me ... without my 1/2 marathon pr preparation my marathon would have been a disaster. However, I think everyone has a "sweet-spot" pace-wise. Some people (like people coming up from middle distances to 5K) train more effectively at the 3K-5K range and some (like me) find it easier and make more improvements building on 10K-1/2 marathon pace. And then there are others that train for longer and longer at marathon pace and it works well for them. I think it is ratio between fast-twitch and slow-twitch fibers maybe?

From JD on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 13:54:20 from 64.65.159.206

I was hoping that's what Hudson meant. It makes sense to me to run tempo's at 1/2 marathon pace, thereby pushing the "aerobic support system" beyond what your goal marathon pace is, and making the marathon pace feel more sustainable for the longer haul...

I love Cap'n Crunch BTW. I ate two bowls of it yesterday.

From redrooster on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 14:44:17 from 129.123.3.31

Sno- interesting video, really shows the difference. But according to what I have been reading and been told it looks to me like the barefoot runner is still overstriding. The landing should be right under the hip, not in front of it. That's what Dan Lieberman told me anyway, and what I am working on. The chi running book says the same. Land under the hip, then fall forward and let gravity do the work.

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 15:30:36 from 67.182.145.8

OK, all this talk of Hudson's recommendations on training pace make me think that my decision to stick with 1/2 marathons until I run one "perfectly" is the right way to go! I want to run a 1/2 where my total time is 1:50 (around 8:25/mile), and I FINISH STRONG, hopefully with my fastest splits at the end. Then I would consider myself well trained in the 1/2 M distance. Not that I couldn't get faster from there, but the performance would convince me that I'm handling the aerobic demands of the distance well.

From Bonnie on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 15:49:59 from 75.164.107.85

for what it is worth Auntie, this is the approach that I used. I am sure you will be quicker than me at achieving your goal -- but it took me 4 years to get my time to what I had targeted before I would run a marathon. I think it made me much stronger and made my first marathon much less painful than it might have.

From april27 on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 15:56:21 from 143.43.53.49

Aunt--this is what I"m thinking too. Only 1/2s for me until I'm much faster and stronger!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 16:10:58 from 67.171.56.164

RedR- I noticed that too and agree with you! Are you really working with THE Dan Lieberman, of the anthropology study on running?

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 18:00:26 from 71.219.89.21

I would have to pipe in that it is a good idea---since I did the opposite and it was HARD and painful and made me quit running for a long while! You guys are all so darn smart!

From redrooster on Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:02:06 from 71.219.135.124

Sno, I emailed Dan Lieberman and described my running injury, foot properties, and he was kind enough to write back with some detailed advice and observations, including his take on how I got injured and details of running form. He seems very nice, and genuinely interested. I have a very high arched foot, which is uncommon, and all the "experts" have told me to go with orthotics and high cushioned shoes. Dan said the opposite- run in flats and five fingers to provide flexibility and strengthen the calves and feet, let my arch take care of itself without support, shorten the stride and increase turnover rate, and he specifically emphasized not to overstride and to land under the hip. So far I am pretty pleased with the results, I am running faster with the same effort on my easy runs, my stress fracture is healing fine in spite of the minimalist shoes, though I have yet to do any speedwork with this fun new approach. So far so good, I just hope I can keep it up!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 08:21:18 from 67.171.56.164

Very interesting! Thx.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.170.000.000.004.17

55F, clear.  Slow, easy & short.

Pretty morning.  I saw a buck with huge antlers -- kind of unusual.  Have a great weekend everyone!   

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 4.17
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:24:43 from 198.241.217.15

It's sounds like you had a pleasant run this morning.

You have a great weekend too!

From JD on Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 15:51:50 from 64.65.159.206

Your recovery seems to be going well. Have a good weekend!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.740.000.000.0013.74

Warm morning: 60F rising to 66F, sunny (w/ waning gibbous in blue skies).  Objective: club run with descending/ascending Parkway (Spirit Crusher Hill) before and after meet up w/ club. 

The Cat Who Must Be Obeyed had A Need just as I was leaving and I was already a couple of minutes late to get to the club meeting place. Now a good 5 minutes late, after a mile of gentle warm up I decided to crank up the pace. I was descending the Parkway at that point, which is a 1.7 mile long hill. From the bottom of the hill into old Snoqualmie I tried to keep the pace up, wanting to reduce the lateness of my arrival. From my house to the high school is 3.8 miles, a bit farther than I thought - "run even faster!"

I scarcely had time to catch my breath and say hello when the 10:00 pace group was ready to go.  We didn't spend any time at all getting into a 9:40 pace and stayed there pretty much the whole run, out the Snoqualmie Valley Trail to the North Bend library and back.  We picked up another woman on the way back who seemed interested in joining the club. That was fun.  :)

At about 9.5 miles I was back on my own, and running towards home.  When I hit the Parkway (S.C. Hill) I dropped down to about an 11:00 minute mile, which gradually slowed to nearly 13:00.  The last half mile of the hill is incredibly steep and the sun was beating down.  My usual heat nausea began to arise, but wasn't too bad.

About 5 minutes into the hill climb, a pedestrian stopped me. She was an elderly Chinese woman who wanted very much to ask me something, the only English word of which was "Seattle," and then she was making binocular gestures with her hands on her eyes. Uh oh. You are a long way from Seattle, ma'am.  I tried to help. Dangit, how do you say "very far" in Chinese? She seemed to want me to point the direction, so I did, repeating the word "bus," while she nodded vigorously.  Hope she made it.

I am thrilled with this run!   I pushed my pace for a long time, and then ran up a killer hill -- all just 2 weeks after a marathon!  From mile 2 through mile 9, all miles were within 30 seconds of marathon pace (they ranged 9:26-9:50) except for mile 9, which included my running group's cool down -- and even that mile was only 10:03. The "easy miles" category on my blog record seems ill fitting today!

We interrupt this blog for a philosophical reflection:   I find that, depending on the day, I either hate or love the Bobby McFerrin song, Don't Worry Be Happy.  The frowny, "realistic" Sno finds it highly irresponsible to have such a gleeful attitude regardless of circumstances.  On the other hand, in Bobby's own words: "in this life you have some trouble - when you worry you make it double..."  I thought about that at the bottom of the hill today. :)

Now I have to rest and rehydrate to be sharp for a wedding gig this afternoon.  Sun is here on the one day I really actually need it. (Outdoor wedding.) Tomorrow the clouds return. Life is good!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 13.74
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 13:07:07 from 71.229.164.25

Fantastic run, Sno. It seems like you've really hit a turning point with your pace. That BQ is looking more likely every day.

Re: Don't Worry Be Happy. I don't have much of an opinion about that song, but I seem to have a soft spot for songs with depressing lyrics but a peppy, happy tune, such as "I Think I'm Gonna Kill Myself" by Elton John. I'm strange that way.

I'm glad you had such a great run today and have fun at the wedding gig!

From JD on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 13:26:31 from 64.65.159.206

Uplifting post. So good when the training is going well. Glad to hear it. Makes me want to join a running group!

Too much worry does seem to compound the problem(s) one worries about. Still, I'd like to think I can "don't worry" without the "be happy" part if I feel like it.

Have a good wedding gig. If we lived in the same town, I could send wedding couples your way.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 13:49:14 from 67.171.56.164

JD - Oh, that's right, you're in the biz too! Between you and me, I think most brides are insane. I call it VMT syndrome. Vision of Myself in a Tiara. "No, I'm sorry. I cannot work up a harp version of Roll To Me with 2 days notice. And no, I am so very sorry, but we cannot put the harp on a canoe floating behind you in the lake." Kind of glad to be doing fewer these days while raising Miss Sno. But it will come back full force in a few years.

From JD on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 14:39:18 from 64.65.159.206

Brides are insane! LOL!

Weddings are insane. All that planning and stress, months of it, and then it's all done in half a day. I would like to create a drive through wedding business. Bride and groom stay in the car, vows are made, music plays, flowers are thrown, and you're done. Go on your honey moon and carry on with your lives!

From auntieem on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 17:33:37 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, brides are insane! I was a clothing designer in my Chicago years, and did the occasional bridal gown. They were universally difficult creatures to deal with, and I only did it in case something got photographed well or something. Yuk!

Sno- absolutely fantastic run! I am so proud of you! Wow again. Please read my race day post and know that immediately afterwards I was insanely hungry for ice cream, then coffee, then I bought some track flats.

From april27 on Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 23:46:42 from 99.188.251.180

Great job today! Awesome miles and sounds like really tough hills! are you back up to running 13 days in a row again?

JD-I'll be your first bride/customer! Sign me up! LOL

From JD on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:58:34 from 166.203.15.216

April - I have a strict "no brides younger than 30" policy, so you'll have to wait!JK!!

From april27 on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 21:40:44 from 99.188.251.180

JD-would your mind be changed if I were already married and divorced? LOL I agree--very few people should get married before 30!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 01:59:13 from 67.185.148.81

I thought of you when I saw this quote because you just keep going and going and going...

Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man(or woman in your case) who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:52:24 from 67.171.56.164

Thank you, Jeff!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.270.000.000.002.27

60F & rainy, w/ increasing thunder.  Recovery run. 

Just a wee run to loosen up the legs.  I wore some "pretty" shoes yesterday for several hours, something I rarely do these days, and have 2 blisters, one on each foot, to show for it.  It's funny, because I did not feel any pain until the shoes came off. Both blisters are on the balls of the feet, deep under the skin.  Lesson learned. 

So between the feet complaining and the thunder, and the wanting just a short run anyway, I barely got warmed up before coming in.  Lightening is one of my big run stoppers, especially since a bolt came down so close to me last summer.  It's probably the only weather that will really stop me from running.  We don't get a lot of it, thank goodness. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 2.27
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From JD on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 19:00:31 from 32.178.80.176

Way to loosen up the legs today, I'm sure they appreciate it.

I wore *pretty shoes* once and got the crap kicked out of me! LOL!!! No blisters though...

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 19:56:09 from 97.126.146.56

LOL JD you make me laugh... Sno sorry about the blisters, nice little run though. Hope the lighting stops soon.

From auntieem on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 21:22:37 from 67.182.145.8

"Pretty" shoes just aren't worth it, are they? Sorry. We've had rain here but no lightning. I enjoyed a recovery run in a bit of rain.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 23:40:50 from 67.171.56.164

JD - did they clash w/ your other accessories?

Auntie- No they are not worth it! I should have gone barefoot; it was hot enough on Saturday.

From april27 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 09:06:36 from 99.188.251.180

How did the wedding go?

I have the same policy--no running if there is lightening. I like to watch from my window instead. I love thunderstorms!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:34:29 from 67.171.56.164

Wedding went well. Lots of "interesting" moments. Since we were also guests (groom's dad is a close friend of Mr. Sno), we stayed for the reception. Sat at dinner with a med school professor and had a delightful conversation about small, private colleges. Highlight of the evening (well, not really, but it was ever so cool) were the Royal Restrooms: http://www.royalrestrooms.com/RestroomtrailersTwoStall.html

The venue property was on a septic tank and could not support hundreds of people using their potty, so they rented these. Super clean, air conditioned... I want these at my next race!!! lol

From april27 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:39:47 from 99.188.251.180

Me too!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.880.000.000.004.88

57F, rainy & very windy (~20 mph in open spaces).  Easy run. 

As I've mentioned before, I typically get a 2 day DOMS. This morning my legs were very sore from Saturday.  Still, I had a great run, though slow.  I'm loving this weather so much. 

I am somewhat disappointed in myself about not getting out the door earlier.  Mr. Sno has an early commute due to some contruction traffic for the next few weeks, so I need to be back home on parent duty by 6:20 now.  I could have finished up a couple more miles on the TM, but I couldn't face it.  No way to start my week, or at least that's what I'm telling myself.  I'll just have to try harder tomorrow.  When I go back to my old routine it will feel positively luxurious. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.88
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From auntieem on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:59:35 from 67.182.145.8

Sorry your schedule is such a mess! Just make yourself do the treadmill; you'll feel better. Practice barefoot running on it.

Cracks me up that you love this weather; I did not want to get up at 5:00 - very unusual for me. The sound of hard rain just depresses me. My group run is scheduled for 6:00pm though, so maybe by then...

From april27 on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:41:53 from 99.188.251.180

YOu are so goofy! YOu will be fine--this schedule is just temporary.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.500.000.000.007.50

57F Cloudy. Easy run.

I got out of the house early enough to require a headlamp, the first time in many weeks that I've used one.  It still wasn't quite early enough for my goal miles (see Monday's explanation) and I tried to run a little longer on the Dreadmill. 

I don't know what is wrong with me, that I can enjoy myself so much out on the streets - for hours at a time if need be - and then feel like I completely hate running within one minute on the TM.  I endured about half a mile of it, and pressed stop. 

It's really odd, because I had a great movie (once I was just stretching and doing abs I was completely engrossed), the basement where we keep the TM is nice and cool, and I only meant to go a couple of miles on it. "Just 20  minutes. I can do that!"  Seems like it should be pretty easy.  But I hate it.  Like, "I never want to run again - running is stupid - why would anyone do this" kind of hatred. 

Well, I'm done trying to force that on myself.  One should never say never, but for the time being I will either run early enough or run less. I declare my Independence!

On a completely different topic,  I have long wondered: who are the people in the fastrunningblog home page picture?  If anyone knows, I'd love to hear. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.50
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From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:17:24 from 67.185.148.81

Dang this weather is perfect for running! At least you are getting out there.

I love this post-

One should never say never, but for the time being I will either run early enough or run less. I declare my Independence!

What's next marathon or other race for you?

Do you Home School the young un all year round? And if so, do you do 5 days a week or what kind of schedule do you have?

From JD on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:23:04 from 64.65.159.206

Your passionate hate for the treadmill is inspirational. Lol!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:30:16 from 67.171.56.164

Hi Jeff. Next race is Tacoma Narrows Half, Aug. 1. Next marathon is Victoria in October.

We homeschool year round, or as I prefer to say, we take vacations year round. Our schedule is, roughly, the 3-3-3 plan: 3 hours for 3 days a week, for 3 weeks a month, year round. That is time spent w/ curricula - I consider learning to be happening almost all the time, and the rest of our days are either social events, field trips or her extracurricular activities (4H, gymnastics, etc.).

We just finished our annual testing and she scored PHS (post high school) in 7 subjects, so we are doing well!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:33:36 from 67.171.56.164

JD - "passionate hatred" - that's a great way to put it! LOL If Mr. Sno didn't love the thing, I'd be having it hauled out on the driveway with a "free" sign on it, as an alternative to going at it with my iron skillet. At this point I am taking it personally, that such an object could produce in me a dislike for an activity so dear to my heart!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:00:47 from 207.225.192.66

Sno, you crack me up... your relationship with your treadmill makes me laugh.

I think the people in the picture on the home page are the racing team, there is a button on the left hand side of the home page that has their info.

From auntieem on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:06:53 from 67.182.145.8

Just sit on it, in lotus, and meditate for awhile. Give it some love, and it will love you back. Your outbursts have disturbed the poor DM.

From Bonnie on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:13:32 from 75.164.35.228

I hear you on the treadmill ... I have used it when I have had to, but 50 mins is my limit. I have a friend who does 20 milers on one!! ouch.

Regarding your question - the bloggers on the front page are just a group who were at one of the local races (maybe the SLC 15K?) a couple of years ago. I know some of them ... back row from left: Tom and Kim (aren't blogging anymore), Ted L, I think Bill M is there on the end. Second row, 2nd woman is Josse and MichelleL and Sasha, 3rd row L, Marcie J, and kneeling is Logan F.(I think, though I never met him).

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 13:01:56 from 67.171.56.164

Lori & Bonnie Thanks for the blog picture explanations!

Auntie - I think it's too late. Irreconcilable differences. The divorce is underway. ;)

From LuzyLew on Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 18:56:06 from 208.187.197.42

This sound like me. I just really need to be outside-- running is just a way to get to be outside / a good excuse. In the winter when I sometimes have to resort to the TM, I watch crazy-mind-candy I'd never otherwise watch (Seasons of Alias or the Office, chick flicks, Vin Diesel movies :) Good luck getting outthere ...but beware of that cat.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.840.000.000.006.84

55F & clear, valley below is full of fog, lucky them...  Easy run. 

The difference between running with a dog and running with a cat is that the dog will trot along by your side and the cat will feel the need to remind you of his presence by attempting to twine through your legs every now and then.   The Cat Who Must Be Obeyed popped out of the bushes in front of me about 2 blocks from home and had to be returned lest he follow me just long enough to give up and be lost.  I believe I blogged about this the last time it happened. It is hilarious to see I'm sure, because he jogs along at my side, except for the leg twining thing. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.84
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From JD on Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:50:09 from 64.65.159.206

Cats are hilarious! I'll never forget the time a friend of mine brought her cat along on a short hike. She put the cat on a leash, it was very funny looking. A couple of hikers we passed just lost it when they saw the cat. Of course the cat was quite miserable.

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:56:57 from 67.182.145.8

My cats both stalk me when I run. They'll often pop out of the bushes a block from home when I'm returning from a run and pace me home. They obviously wait for me to come back!

I have noticed a lot of dogs that are not so well behaved on a leash while running; not sure it would be worth it.

From april27 on Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:13:49 from 99.188.251.180

I love the nickname you give the cat!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:36:26 from 67.171.56.164

April - if you met him you'd know why. He has POWER over us. We'll all be eating a peaceful, civilized dinner and hear him meow at the door, and forks drop. *Everyone* jumps up to let him in. One person actually opens the door and the others greet him and croon over him. I shall post a picture of his majesty some time. And by the way, he does have a real name as well, Dandelion - aka Dan, Danny, Dan-dan...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

58F Clear & humid.  20 min strength wk after.

Finally, I got some decent miles in. Whether or not I can stay awake past 5 PM today is yet to be seen. 

Busy morning...  Cheers.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 10.00
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From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:30:33 from 67.185.148.81

Another perfect running day! Nice round # 10 today...good workout -

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:44:16 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles - I don't know how you do it. I'm struggling to get in 5 1/2 before I have to go to work. Good luck staying up :)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 13:02:19 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, Against my usual policy, I walked around the driveway to make the Garmin say 10 because it was just at 9.99 and I couldn't stand it! Hahahaha!

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 18:02:52 from 67.182.145.8

I'm glad you got some good miles! I'll bet you are glad you went out early. Its hot!

From Bonnie on Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:49:53 from 75.164.35.228

Are you still awake??

I am glad you are running your miles again, I know a Sno running her miles is a happy Sno family ;-).

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.221.000.000.006.22

~60F, with pockets of warmer and cooler air about. Clear skies, another hot day coming. Easy pace (~10:30) w/ last mile before c.d. at marathon pace (9:00-9:15). 

I made it to about 8:20 PM last night, and left the dishes, the family, every chore I meant to finish... left it all behind and went to bed. We still have the sun up quite late these days, so I put on the eye mask - love that thing. Fortunately the weekend is coming, and next week's schedule won't have me up quite as early.

I am now officially coming to the end of the 3 week recovery period from the marathon, though I haven't been taking that too seriously.  Just avoiding any intense speedwork and avoiding running too long.  I'm looking forward to running a little more and a little harder now. But I'm going to have to figure out how to get some more sleep.  Others seem to be able to get by OK on so little, but I just do the stupidest things and get so irritable.   I'll have to think this through. There is always a way, when one is determined...

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.22
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From allie on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:27:55 from 208.110.151.113

yes, sleep is good. interesting article. i had some gnats for breakfast this morning on my run, and i thought of you. :)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 15:10:39 from 63.231.50.32

Pretty darn nice weather these days! Glad you are able to run in it!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 15:13:14 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Nice weather? I don't see any fog at all. ;)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 16:50:31 from 63.231.50.32

You may need to move to England to find your perfect weather... :-)

From Dale on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 16:58:37 from 69.10.215.11

No kidding. All this sun and heat is ridiculous. Give me back my overcast with a nice fine mist in the air and cool 50F temps!

If it makes you feel any better, 8 is really my absolute minimum, but I really need 9 hrs a night when I'm training, sometimes more.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 17:07:18 from 67.171.56.164

Really, Dale? That DOES make me feel better! I sometimes feel like such a wimp because I fall apart getting 7 hours for several nights in a row. Nine is sublime, eight is great.

From Dale on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 17:12:05 from 69.10.215.11

When deprived of plenty of sleep, I'm affected pretty quickly. Many years ago I went to Ft. Lewis for ROTC Advanced Camp, where I managed to fall asleep while walking, only to be woken abruptly starting up at the trunk of a large evergreen while sitting at its base. Fortunately for me, I found a branch in the Army where rest was a requirement.....as an aviator! Thank goodness for regs!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 17:47:55 from 67.171.56.164

Tree climbing in your sleep? That is hilarious! At least you're amusing when sleep deprived; I just become a cranky idiot.

From april27 on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:38:03 from 99.188.251.180

I absolutely need atleast 8 hours. And then sometimes I need to add a nap especially after long runs.

From auntieem on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:36:12 from 67.182.145.8

I seem to need more sleep now (at 51) than I did when younger. I thought it would work the other direction! Just remember, during sleep is when you actually get stronger, and get all the benefit from your workouts, so you really do NEED it. Its part of your training.

Happy running! I'm looking forward to seeing you in Tacoma.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.350.000.000.0018.35

Started at ~58F, rising to mid 60s, mostly sunny.  A bit too warm in the sun, but a nice breeze near home for the last few miles.  Objective: endurance + club run + Spirit Crusher Hill + strong finish. I would love to say it was a "fast finish," but by that point the effort-to-results ratio was all messed up. 

Fabulous run. Fun, friends, great beauty, and lots of sweat.   I left the house about 5:45AM and just had a leisurely warm up around the neighborhood before heading down the hill to meet with the club. 

If I haven't mentioned it before, I live in some hills above a fairly flat valley. The "old Snoqualmie" is down in the valley and that is where the club meets and runs.  The road down into town is a 2 mile long hill, the steepest part of which occurs near the top, the "Spirit Crusher." That part of the hill is .8 mile of crazy-steep asphalt.

As I headed down the hill, there were a few wispy high clouds, but then I saw what looked like fog in the valley below! Oh joy --but alas, it was not fog. In fact, it turned out to be a bit of low cloud that soon dissipated. 

After descending into town, I met up with the club and ran about 6 miles with a new person who said she wanted to run a pace in the 9:00's but then changed her mind to run with me in the 10:00's.  She is healing from an injury and thought maybe a slower pace would be good. 

I enjoyed chatting with her very much, but I did have to remind her to slow down many times, because I was not interested in running at MP today!   "Are you SURE you want to run with me?"  Oh yes, she was sure...  But it turned out to be a win-win situation because she hasn't been running that far lately and me holding her back became a real blessing as she got very tired in the last mile or two. And I got to spend time with a very nice person.

I am starting to think that one of the best things about being in a running club is just having more people in your life who will not roll their eyes or yawn when you go on and on about running.  And then they go on and on, and you can compare notes, and it's all quite satisfying.

I decided to come back up the hill immediately after the club run, before it got too hot, and finish my miles on my usual turf. That was a good decision I think.  The Spirit Crusher was brutal, as always. I will stop calling it that when it stops being scary-hard. But other than a pit stop at the Fischer Park bathroom, I ran the whole hill! After that, my legs were quite weak and I dropped into the 11:00s for pace.

After doing some loops through the business park, the pea patch (wow it looked good!), and some other neighborhoods,  I decided to try and push myself a little the last 1.5 miles.  I increased my cadence and tried to turn up the power, but I only managed to come back to about a 10:00 pace.  I guess it's good practice though, and I tried to imagine the last part of a marathon and finishing strong.

Observations on what makes long runs more successful:
1) 8+ hours of sleep
2) sticking to a plan
3) noticing how beautiful the world is
4) not having somewhere you have to be afterwards, feeling rushed
5) controlling your thoughts and thinking positively, ie "this is not hard / lots of people run much farther, much faster/ this is actually quite easy."  Keep saying it, even when you don't believe it! Why? Because it will keep out the opposite thinking, which may be equally untrue! I.e. "I can't do it/ I'll never make it." 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 18.35
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From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 14:09:08 from 67.185.148.81

Holy Schnikees! Decent run there Sno-

You will love the results you get from running those hill miles toward the end of a long run!!

From JD on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 14:27:52 from 64.65.159.206

Great long runnin' today.

I like your observations on making a long run successful, the only one I am challenged by is the 8+ hours of sleep.

From auntieem on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 19:27:21 from 67.182.145.8

Sno, I agree with all of your observations about running, especially having the plan. I would add, after my run this morning, that it is very nice to have a small encouraging group to run with. We ran as a foursome this morning, and we all had tired moments, but the positive comments from others really helped.

I have to laugh thinking of you tearing down Spirit Crusher because you saw fog in the valley far below. You are so funny! We got to run most of our marathon paced miles along the bay this morning, and the breeze felt so good!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 20:03:32 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff - Yes, I remember your telling me that before and it has been a great source of encouragement. My partner at the club run this morning said she calls the hill "Harvey," after a school bus driver who was really strict but "it was for our own good." Saw your friend Mark down there too, btw.

Auntie - Oh yes! It was like seeing a beautiful mirage. Hahahaha! We had a nice breeze up on the Ridge too, but down in town it was a bit warm.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:52:38 from 71.229.164.25

It sounds like you're doing a great job of subduing that Spirit Crusher hill. And it's great that you're able to run with the club. It sounds like lots of fun.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.550.000.000.002.55

61F, sunny w/ breeze.  Recovery run, short & sweet. :)

This business of getting old is quite interesting when you don't take it too personally.  I got out of bed this morning feeling like I'd been run over by the proverbial bus, but when I got outside an hour later, I felt great.  I went from literally hobbling to a pleasant jog. I ask myself, what does this mean? Possible answer, you aren't getting any younger, but you are getting stronger.

I'm taking a scheduled day off tomorrow.  I don't know if I can handle three nights in a row of getting a good night's sleep, but I'm willing to try.  ;)  Cheers.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 2.55
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From april27 on Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 13:31:10 from 99.188.251.180

I experience this too. So I'm not too sure it is getting old (b/c then I would have to admit that I am getting old) Just that for 8 hours you are pretty much staying still and then all of a sudden you are moving around. I dunno...I woke up on the couch last night...which was odd b/c I fell asleep in my bed. I guess I'm sleep walking again!

From JD on Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 14:15:15 from 166.217.162.103

Good luck with all that quality sleep!

From auntieem on Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 14:27:53 from 67.182.145.8

You are not only getting stronger, you are getting faster! Here's to a redefinition of getting older.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:53:29 from 71.229.164.25

We can't do anything about getting older, but great job on getting stronger. We all can do something about that!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:29:54 from 198.241.217.15

Hey Sno. Where are you?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

No running. Travel day!

Half hour of pool running at the Sleeping Lady Resort...  more later. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.500.000.000.009.50

Full report in a few days when I can post pictures...

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.50
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.740.000.000.005.74

Coming home today; will post pictures, stories, etc. 

 Now that I'm home, telling stories and writing long descriptions isn't so appealing... so tired.  Well, I will get it started; maybe more later in the week.

The Sleeping Lady resort (named after a silhouette formed by the mountains) is an amazing place.  We first discovered it many years ago by going there for a concert in the Icicle Creek Chamber Music Festival series.  The lodging is what I call "eco-luxury cabins."   The meals are included, served buffet style in a large pine-decor dining hall.  The food is amazing, and definitely one of the best reasons to go there.  Their chef is world class and many of the ingredients come from their own organic garden.  The abundance is overwhelming. For example, dinner one night was curried pumpkin soup, french lentils, roasted carrots, salmon, roast (either or both), pizza, fresh baked bread, salads, cheeses, mounds of fresh berries and other local fruit, 3 kinds of dessert...  And you just take what you'd like, self serve except for the hot dishes.  It is all finer than the best restaurants I've ever been to.   Going on and on about the food -- you see, I need to go cook dinner...

We swam, walked, rode horses, went to an amazing concert by Mark O'Connor, and I had two nice runs in the surrounding rural area.  Pretty good for just two days away.  We spent zero time in the little tourist town of Leavenworth (Bavarian by law), but I mention it in case anyone is thinking of visiting this place because it's great if you like to shop.

Just a few pictures for now.  (Hope the pix come through ok - using photobucket for the first time.) Some of the grounds, the organic garden, the rock pool, Dale Chihuly Icicle sculpture...

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Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.74
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From Burt on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 13:32:45 from 68.76.197.194

You are just killing everyone with anticipation, aren't you?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 14:21:51 from 198.241.156.7

You skipped out on us, eh?

From JD on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 15:36:20 from 64.65.159.206

Nice!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 16:49:56 from 207.225.192.66

Drumming my fingers in anticipation :)

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 18:27:30 from 67.182.145.8

Pictures please. That place is really lovely! Did you run?

From april27 on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 21:21:19 from 99.188.251.180

I can't wait!

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 22:12:36 from 67.182.145.8

Looks so beautiful! You really squeezed a lot in there for two days. No wonder you are tired!! Welcome back.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:06:50 from 71.229.164.25

What fun! Thanks for the description and pictures. Is that the young Miss Sno?

From april27 on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 14:05:25 from 143.43.53.232

Looks so funny to see the man made lagoon in the middle of all those forests. I wish they had places like that around here...Great job getting in those runs. And where are pics of Mr Sno and you?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 14:28:36 from 67.171.56.164

April - The water you see there is the swimming pool and the hot tub. The place is just amazing.

From Bonnie on Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:51:21 from 24.121.55.123

Wow ... it looks beautiful there Sno!! And you did not even have to run a marathon to go there ;) (playing on the "family vacations" that seem to be centered around marathoning).

Thank you for the pictures. I, again, am showing my suckiness that I never even think to bring my camera.

From Burt on Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 21:03:28 from 98.167.151.26

Yeah Bonnie, that's pretty much the definition of suckiness.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.130.000.000.007.13

58F w/ low clouds. Easy/moderate run.

What a change this weather is from my runs in Leavenworth.  (more about that below). A pleasant moderate paced run (~9:50) in the refreshing moist, cool air.

I had two runs on vacation, both begun before sunup to avoid the heat and to get back on time for the incredible breakfast.  Tuesday's was a fantastic 9.5 miles on highways and back roads around the town, much of it following the marathon route. (I ran that one a few years ago and it was pleasant to see the area again.)

The air over there is quite dry compared to here.  I don't consider Puget Sound to be excessively humid, especially compared to other parts of the country I have visited, but Eastern  Washington is really like a desert in its air quality. Very dry.  It made the heat later in the day a lot more tolerable (~95F in the shade).  The temperature while I was running was in the low to mid 60s. 

I saw tons of wildlife on both of my runs. Only one deer, mostly small creatures: many types of birds (finches, blue jays, a flock of Canada geese, and several whose names I don't know), rabbits, chipmunks, and a mama squirrel who was trying to stuff her baby into a bird house hole. Also saw lots of horses, sheep, 3 goats, cows and a longhorn steer.

On Wednesday, I had my second run, which was quite a bit shorter than I intended. I was going to run the same 9.5 mile loop and add mile repeats at half mar. pace, but I woke up feeling utterly tired.  It was no wonder... Tuesday had been an "easy" run, but I was actually within about 30 seconds of marathon pace for much of the run. Then we all went on a trail ride after breakfast. In the afternoon I spent over an hour swimming and jumping around in the pool with my daughter, and we were up late for our concert.  Sooooo, plan B for Wednesday morning: recovery run.  My whole body seemed to scream "slow please!"  But that was the run when I saw the most wildlife, so it was quite pleasant too. 

Later in the day (hence the sunlight) I took two pictures from the car of some interesting sights from my run. The first is some kind of tower - what can that be? It was even prettier in the pre-dawn light, as if I had stumbled into Scotland or something.  The second is this yard full of gnome statues -- many, many more than are pictured here. If you are going to have gnomes, you might as well go all out. 

The last picture is a little tiny ornamental grass that was in many of the potted plant mixtures by the doors to various buildings in the resort.  Those little white seed tufts were so soft, it was like having a cat in a plant.  Does anyone know the name of this little guy? Weed or ornamental grass, depending on your point of view, but I have forgotten what it's called.

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Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.13
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:28:10 from 198.241.217.15

Cool pictures. I'm glad you were able to run during your vacation. It sounds like you had a great time. Welcome (Wilkommen) home.

From JD on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:47:35 from 64.65.159.206

That tower looks like some kind of silo. Maybe it's full of gnomes!

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:48:13 from 67.182.145.8

I just love that climate for running. I really don't like humidity at all, and consider our maritime climate WAY to humid. I'm always energized by running in a dryer climate.

That little grass thing is adorable! If you find out what it is called, please share.

From Dale on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:53:57 from 69.10.215.11

Looks like an old silo.

Nice gnomes, but its the flamingo in the pic reminds me of the 3 dozen+ pink flamingos my folks have in their yard.

Hope you enjoyed the dry heat, cause the humid heat is coming back to us this weekend! Ugh!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:58:19 from 67.171.56.164

JD- HAHAHAHAHA!! It's full of gnomes! I'll have to caption it that way in my photo album. Or maybe, "...where the gnomes come from."

The funny thing is, that third picture is very much like the illustration of the little plants at the end of a children's book by Jan Brett called "Trouble With Trolls." And the trolls look very much like gnomes. When the girl finally defeats the trolls she goes back up the mountain in spring and just sees those little plants, like the tops of the trolls' hats, blowing in the wind. So the "silo" would be filled with...

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:59:09 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - Danke! (I think that's right.) Auntie- I did think of you often and how much you would love it.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:00:59 from 67.171.56.164

Dale - Humid is OK. I just run early. :) Today it is actually raining up Mt. Si Road (friend just called me).

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 13:38:24 from 71.37.22.32

So....are you going to run the Leavenworth half or full in October?

Love the weather over in that neck of the woods.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 14:08:39 from 67.171.56.164

Jeff, I don't plan to run either of them any time in the foreseeable future. Sometimes I'm a bit humor impaired - were you joking?

A few years back I ran the full. I was not emotionally prepared for running past the half-m finish line for my second loop. All the half'ers were stopping and getting medals and hugs, and then the course (very primitive) ran through the recovery area and families were wandering through... it was a mess. That was one of my lowest moments in marathoning. I got back on track a few minutes later by chatting with another racer. It's a nice course though. And I got an AG award, but only because there were so few runners.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 15:38:34 from 71.37.22.32

Oops! Sorry, meant to ask if you were going to run either one?

When I ran that it was my first half marathon and I had a buddy who did the full and it was just like you said. He hated getting there and having to do the loop one more time.

From marion on Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 17:12:20 from 71.213.106.139

What a GREAT vacation :) Fun to run around a different place :) I LOVE the Gnomes :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.510.000.000.003.51

59F & Cloudy. Easy run w/ hill sprints (only time for 4).  20 min. strength work.

I'm just one click above "rest day" here.  My legs were super springy and I had lots of energy this morning for some reason.  ??  "It's a good thing."  No one says that anymore since Martha got sent to jail it seems.  I hope I feel this good tomorrow for my long run. Hope the clouds stick around too.

Just a few more pictures from our trip... 

Mr. Sno and young Miss Sno at the edge of Icicle Creek, behind the dining hall. The creek was recently restored as a salmon spawning habitat. If you visit in September, the salmon are all over the creek, spawning, dying, flopping about in the shallow water, and you can see the eggs too.

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And here is a picture of the mountain profile for which "Sleeping Lady Resort" is named, taken from the organic garden.

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Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 3.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:09:15 from 198.241.156.7

Congratulations on your super springy energetic legs. I'm anxious to see what they do tomorrow.

Thanks for the pictures. It's fun to see the Young Miss Sno and Mr. Sno. We need a picture of you that shows more than just your eyes, not that your eyes are fabulous. I'm just saying.

From auntieem on Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:14:55 from 67.182.145.8

Hooray for springy legs! You are probably on an exact opposite rhythm to me, and are responding to the ever so slightly shorter days. Have you noticed? It fills me with despair and pre-depression, but probably makes your legs springy, as your beloved fog and gloom are not too far behind! LOL.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:20:55 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - I'm always the one holding the camera for some reason! lol

Auntie - Well the clouds do help, but even yesterday I felt so tired - then today was all zing! Yesterday, I even fell asleep over some work I was doing on the couch. Next week I hear we're getting a bad heat wave, so you'll have some more "summer." :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.080.000.000.0020.08

Warm morning. Started in the 60sF and ended w/ upper 70s.  Humidity in the 70s too. Mostly sunny.  Objective: endurance run + club run + Spirit Crusher Hill. 

I hope this really counts as an endurance workout even though I had two prolonged stops. First was the usual stop for the club meet-up (at 4.3 miles); we always talk a bit before we run.  I had running partners for only a half mile or so. No one in my pace group wanted to go long today (not many showed up today), so I peeled off at the Snoqualmie Valley Trail and ran alone after mile 5.  

My second stop occured because I reached the Mt. Si Rd. and had not run quite far enough to be turning back yet.  So I used my cell phone to call up my buddy who lives up that road and asked her if I could just nip up there and use her facilities and have some water.  I had run exactly 10 miles when I reached her home, and had about a 15 minute break while I visited with her and her family. She has the most adorable little boys, one of whom said he wanted to watch me "take off" when I left.  (He had been drawing rockets all morning.)  I hope I didn't disappoint him too badly.

On the way back down her canyon road, I passed the barn where Young Miss Sno rides horses and said hi to the owners, who were outside.  That was a very brief stop.  They insisted on giving me a bottle of cold water, probably because I was so covered in sweat. The humidity today was really hard for me and I had my usual heat nausea around mile 15. 

All in all, it was a fun & interesting run. There were too many rabbits to count on the SV Trail, and I almost stepped on a little garter snake.  Did you know they eat slugs? They are one of the few animals that will do so. Around here, we really appreciate that, as we have huge slugs here. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 20.08
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From Kelli on Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 16:21:27 from 71.219.89.21

WOW, nice long run!! And what a wonderful week of vacationing, beautiful pictures.

I love that you got to stop and chat and use REAL facilities on your run! And I am sure your take of was not disappointing!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:31:30 from 71.229.164.25

I think that's definitely an endurance workout, and a pretty fun one at that. How wonderful that you could stop and visit with friends.

BTW, those slugs are freaky.

From Mark on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:27:18 from 173.168.88.68

I'd definitely say it counts. It's a little different than just straight through 20 miles, but I think it is almost as good and a lot easier on your body.

From JD on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:00:49 from 166.128.134.197

You make it look so easy!

Funny stuff about the boy, and the rockets.

From auntieem on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:14:22 from 67.182.145.8

Great run! Way to combine your socializing and your running. Too bad nobody in your group would run longer with you. I would have.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:35:58 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks everyone.

JD- "make it look easy"--- HA! Reminded me, you recently read Born To Run, right? "Easy... Light... Smooth..." Something like that. On my long run I kept saying to myself "This is easy. I could do this all day." (Name it to claim it.) The only time it really didn't go over well was on the S.C.Hill, but that's to be expected.

Auntie- My group is not into long runs, at least not on club days. Some of them are very fast (imo), with "easy" paces of 8:00 or 9:00, but they are done in 40 minutes. If I can get someone in the club to go long with me, at *my* pace, I could start doing trails!! Maybe you should spend the weekend down here every now and then! Oh, but you are much faster than I...

I was going to run a short one today, but I slept in until 8:40!!! I was zonked out. Mutiny on the Body.

From april27 on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:36:20 from 99.188.251.180

Slugs are gross! I almost stepped on a dead snake today. I didn't even know there were snakes around here! I thought when I hear things rustling in the tall grass that it was just frogs or birds...now I have to think twice about that! Great run!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:38:16 from 67.171.56.164

April - Did you read Teacher's Funeral yet? That has a snake story in it, and it's pretty close to where you are. We are really fortunate here on the west side of the Cascades: no poisonous snakes.

From april27 on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:52:54 from 99.188.251.180

NO i Haven't...I shall look into it..

P.s. i got my D3's!

From april27 on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:56:39 from 99.188.251.180

I just requested the audio version at the library..thanks for mentioning it!

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 21:01:39 from 97.126.147.83

Nice run today Sno, and those slugs are creepy!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.802.000.000.006.80

70F, humid & hazy.  MP run.  ~4 easy, 2 @ MP (9:04, 8:47), remainder easy.

We're in for it now. Major heat wave all week. I don't believe the temperature has ever been this high around here so early in the morning (5:15am) since I started running.  

Another first for me - 2 days out from my 20 miler, and no soreness.  None. (I am always most sore 2 days after major exertion.)

My MP miles were separated by a minute of slow jogging. I really didn't want to break them up like that but I was burning up and breathing too hard. The second one was too fast, but it felt the same as the first. As soon as I finished I found some sprinklers to run through. Ah.

I've been taking barefoot walks with Mr. Sno for a couple of weeks to see if I could toughen up my feet. I could never understand why the advice on getting started with barefoot running always focused on foot strength and not on skin issues.  Sure enough, the skin on my feet has responded extremely fast  and is much tougher, whereas the feet themselves still feel like they absolutely collapse with each step.  Today I carried my shoes in my hand the last .3 of a mile, and ran alternately on grass and cement.  I have a long ways to go in building foot strength, which surprised me because I've worn my racing shoes almost exclusively lately.  It's true, our feet just don't have to work in shoes. Maybe that's why humans started making them in the first place; we are so good at labor saving devices. 

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 4.50BF Miles: 0.30
Comments
From auntieem on Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:18:39 from 69.7.39.27

Nice MP miles! It is hot, and I won't be able to run until this evening. Yikes! I'll be up at Glacier until late Wednesday evening, where it will be maybe even hotter.

I find that my bare feet do fine on dirt trails, but I don't know if I'll ever get comfortable on pavement. And, from a vanity perspective, I'm not sure I want my feet to look as though I run barefoot on pavement!

From JD on Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:47:55 from 64.65.159.206

Nice pace on those MP miles.

My barefoot running ambitions have taken a turn for the extremely conservative. Only on grass for the rest of this year, and nothing more than a quarter mile for awhile. My barefoot experiment on asphalt last week was an eye opener.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 13:01:00 from 67.171.56.164

JD, It's definitely a slow journey. About 2-3 weeks ago I took my first barefoot walk, and I was less than one house away from home when Mr. Sno asked me, "how does it feel?" (He had been trying barefooting for about a month.) "It's horrible!" I remember saying. "This is horrible!" I felt like I was walking on nails.

From Dale on Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 15:23:20 from 69.10.215.11

My feet didn't take well to the barefoot thing at all. I must be a true tenderfoot.

Lets hope we all survive this heat! Ugh!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 22:47:38 from 71.229.164.25

I guess we're all thinking about barefoot running these days. I tried a little barefoot on the grass in the park on Saturday evening, just the length of the soccer field and back, but it hurt my calf.

By the way, I read Born to Run over the weekend. It was great. And it just furthered the barefoot/minimalist shoe running idea.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.840.000.000.008.84

72F at 4:50 AM!  Very humid.  Ug.  "Easy" run.  20 min. strength work in nice, cool basement...

 This was like running through soup.  Fortunately, there were plenty of sprinklers going and believe me, I ran through every one of them. 

Why oh why did I sign up for a half marathon on August 1?  The worst of our heat wave will have passed, but it's still forecast to reach the 80s that day.  I might just have to fun-run it, but it was supposed to be a speed workout for me.  I wonder how much acclimatization I can get by the warm air running I will have done this week.  Ah well, there is always the shirt.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.84
Comments
From The Howling Commando on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:02:12 from 72.224.24.41

Fun Runs are awesome! And woot for tshirts, sno! I miss the shirts. That was my favorite part of the runs :D

From JD on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:26:21 from 64.65.159.206

When I grow up, I want to have a strong enough mileage base so I can run multiple marathons/races every year like you do.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:40:42 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, HC. JD, you are too funny! Don't you know it's like the ruby slippers? In a very strong, male sense of course. Your monthly and annual mileage right now are both way higher than mine!

From Bonnie on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:09:06 from 75.164.38.76

I am hoping the heat wave breaks soon Sno, just take it a little slower for the next few days and then you will slowly acclimate. By August 1st 72 will be the new 50 ;-)

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26:33 from 72.224.24.41

YAH! Vibrams are awesome! Oh contraire. You are the inspiring one :D. There's one thing that always resonates in your blog to me and that's the fun that you bring about in each and every run... take for example today's run with the sprinklers! HAHA That is EXACTLY what I want to do! Like JBS said.. "It's about our lifestyle and who we are." Runners are an awesome breed of people for sure!

I can't wait to hear about what you think of the Vibrams!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:41:42 from 198.241.217.15

My husband is all into watching old episodes of The Twilight Zone on DVD lately. Yesterday he was watching one in which these old people snuck out of their old-folks home and played kick-the-can and it turned them into young kids.

Can we runners recapture our youth by running through the sprinklers? Who else runs through the sprinklers besides little kids and runners?

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:46:10 from 207.225.192.66

Boy Sno you really are in the middle of a heat wave... I'm so sorry. Plus you have ton more humididy then we do down here. I'm alwasy happy when I can find a few sprinklers still on when I run. Take is easy and I'm sure you will be fine by your race.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:13:50 from 67.171.56.164

If you click on the link to the left, and read Sean Sundwall's Monday post (he lives near me), you can see how weird this is for us. It's just unheard of. Thanks for the encouragement, everyone. (Bonnie - "72 will be the new 50" Hahahaha! Cuz, you know, I had my fill of comments like that on my last birthday, only not "72!" rofl)

From B on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 23:07:32 from 166.205.130.135

Thank you for the book recomends!! I'm looking into them.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.590.000.000.004.59

People are going to be talking about this for years to come. The headline of the Seattle Times this morning reads, "Hottest Day Ever?"  Like the Seattle earthquake in 2001, and the blackout in December 2007 (my neighborhood was without power for 5 days), this heat will become legend. At least I hope it does, because that would mean it wasn't repeated again and again. 

The thermometer on my porch this morning read 78F at 5:30 AM - speed work canceled.  Weirdly, the wind was blowing, which helped immensely. It is incredible to think that six months ago we had some of the lowest temps ever, and drifts of snow in my yard that were as tall as I am.

Yesterday afternoon there were reports of it being 104F in parts of the Snoq. Valley and someone in North Bend reported 110F -- it sounds impossible but, where we are situated, elevation differences of 500 ft. can produce wildly different temperatures.  Today's forecast: even hotter.

And now I present... The Art of Justification.  My beautiful ("Blooms" design) little Franklin Planner calendar for today says "6-7 mi w/ VO2: 10 x .25 mile."  Hahahahahaha. Excuse me.  Honestly, if the whole summer was like this, I'd bite the bullet and do my speed work. I really would.  Then again, if the whole summer was like this, I'd move to Scotland.  One eensy little part of my brain said I should run a bit faster to "practice" for Saturday's Half-m.  Hahahahahahaha.  If the mercury is over 70 on race day, I'm going to jog, chat, collect my tshirt and come home.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.59
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:03:49 from 24.8.167.243

You're really cookin'! I have an idea: come visit me in Colorado!

But props to you for getting out and running this morning, speedwork or no.

From JD on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:33:44 from 64.65.159.206

Just think of how much stronger you'll be once it cools back down! Man that's crazy heat.

At least you've had some higher temps before the half m so your body has a chance to adapt somewhat before race day.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:58:56 from 207.225.192.66

WOW you are really getting hot up there! Nice run even without the speed work! I think Scotland right now would be great!

From april27 on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:39:40 from 99.188.251.180

I am totally with you on this one. It hasn't been super hot here lately and I'm soooo thankful! If on August 29 in Madison it is hot then I will jog as well. No use in killing myself. In fact I hope it rains..well sprinkles--I think it would stink for my boyfriend to have to stand in the ran for another 1/2 marathon for me! LOL Great job today!

From Dale on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:44:02 from 69.10.215.11

Just focus on survival.....this heat must dissipate soon! Either that or I'm going to check into Canadian citizenship. I hear BC is nice along the coast.

From redrooster on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:56:24 from 129.123.3.31

Hey Sno, it was low 60s this morning here in Logan Utah, and will only reach 84 today. Maybe you should come here and run with us until the heat wave lifts!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:29:06 from 67.171.56.164

If this were normal, I'd pack my bags tomorrow!

From auntieem on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:46:53 from 67.182.145.8

Sno - You didn't need the speedwork today anyway. On Saturday, it will be much cooler for our race, and it will be great! I am hoping for 70 degrees at start time, maybe wishful thinking, but why not? Then we can zip through it before it reaches 80.

I'm really excited for Saturday, and to see you!

From Bonnie on Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 22:03:06 from 75.164.38.76

It will be motivation to work even harder in the race (to finish before it gets hot)!! I like your plan though, run by feel and don't do anything that will jeapordize your training if it is still bad weather. I am telling you guys -- Dreyers all fruit popsicles are my best friends (no sugar added!) in the heat. I am sure it will shave minutes off of your time if you get some ;-)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:30:01 from 67.171.56.164

I am so confused... When did 70F get reclassified as "cool," and am I supposed to carry popsicles at the race? lol

Really, I'm done worrying about it. What will be, will be. I hope I like the shirt.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.330.000.000.006.33

80F at 5:00 AM, w/ pockets of hotter and cooler air throughout neighborhood.  Objective: sprinkler patrol, last .4 barefoot.  20 min. strength work.

I promised myself I wouldn't complain about the weather today, but now I find I have nothing else to talk about. Plus I'm rushed.  Have a great day!

 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.93BF Miles: 0.40
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:01:55 from 24.8.167.243

I hope you found a lot of sprinklers. Have a great day!

From JD on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:54:33 from 64.65.159.206

80F at 5:00 AM...that's toasty. That's bikini running weather. That's run in your bare feet weather. Oh, you did that.

From auntieem on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 14:18:46 from 67.182.145.8

Sno, did you notice the air inversion this morning? That poorer air quality and slightly hazy sky means that cooler weather is on the way! I am thinking of you suffering in the heat; do all you can to stay cool. Do you have air conditioning? If not, you might want to consider coming down to Tacoma the night before and staying with us in the hotel.

From april27 on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 15:01:11 from 143.43.53.42

Blech 80 at 5 am! I would run at night...it is probably hotter than wouldn't it?

My friend is in Portland, OR and she is complaining of the heat as well...so weird! She said in the winter they didn't know what to do with all the snow...i think it is funny how you guys are having record breaking temps...

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 15:20:57 from 207.225.192.66

Yep... hope you found all the sprinkilers you needed! Hopefully your normal temps will return soon.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 16:32:45 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks everyone. I'm just dandy. It can't last forever, right? (100F right now.) I've got a backyard full of tween girls (well, not full, but a few) working the slip-n-slide, there's ice cream in the freezer and a watermelon on the counter. We're good!

It's weird, because at 8AM the temp had *fallen* two degrees, but of course it's way up now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.420.000.000.003.42

65F, clear w/ haze. Objective: short & sweet.  +Inaugural run in VFFs. 

Marine Layer. Mah-reeeeeeen layer... ahhhhh.

Here is what came in the mail yesterday:

CIMG0965

Observations from my short trial run in them:

-It takes me a long time to get them on. Also, there is a weird brain glitch wherein I see the VFF toes and have a hard time believe that my toes are not in the right pockets. Hopefully this will get smoother with time.
-The VFF's spread ones toes apart, exactly the opposite of what women's shoes have been doing to me for 50+ years.  Interesting sensation, not uncomfortable but I do notice it.
-There is a little ridge at the bottom of the ball of the foot (ie the edge of the ball of foot that is closest to the heel), and this ridge is exactly where my foot lands.  It was somewhat bothersome at first and then I forgot about it.  I hope it will not be a problem; I never read anyone else complain of it in the 40 bazillion websites I went to before I bought these.
-The skin protection is AWESOME, but other than that, truly barefoot running is more comfortable. 
- I am REALLY slow in these, even though I don't feel slow.  It will be interesting to see whether increasing foot strength overcomes lack of "energy return" that one gets from the bounce of shoes.

A great beginning. I am looking forward to seeing where this takes me.  I expect to take my time. Evolution, not revolution.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 2.50Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 0.92
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:50:22 from 24.8.167.243

Congratulations on the new shoes, if you can call them that. I'm very interested to see how they work out for you. I like to let you try things first and then follow your example if it works out for you. I'm still planning to get some ST3s one of these days.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:57:23 from 67.171.56.164

Carolyn - Hahahaha! You crack me up.

From auntieem on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:43:38 from 67.182.145.8

Sno- Those look so cool! You look just like my husband's cute monkey feet. Will you race in them tomorrow? See ya.

From JD on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:47:14 from 64.65.159.206

Nice shoes! Sounds like the test run went pretty good too.

From Bonnie on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:49:15 from 75.164.38.76

Good luck tomorrow Sno! I will be checking in from my Blackberry, so post your results as soon as possible, please!!!

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:42:09 from 207.225.192.66

Cool!! I have tried the barfoot run thigs a few times, at very short distances. This will be interesting to see how these shoes work for you.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:51:26 from 67.171.56.164

Auntie - you are joking about tomorrow, right?

Bonnie - I will post as soon as I get home and eat, but I still think 70s is too hot for racing. Since it is likely to be in the 60s at the start, my plan is to run fast as soon as I'm comfortable and pull back if I start getting nauseous -- my own portable internal thermometer! So tomorrow might be a good day for positive splits.

From auntieem on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 13:32:29 from 67.182.145.8

Sorta joking. Do you really think it will be as cool as 60 at the start? That would be sweet. It was MUCH cooler here this morning, but seems to be heating up some. This could foul up my plan to start slow!

From Dale on Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 15:53:42 from 69.10.215.11

Good luck in your VFFs and at tomorrow's race.

From april27 on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 00:36:00 from 99.188.251.180

I too like to see how you like something and then go by myself. I was goign to get ST3's but couldn't find my size...why were they only selling some at 50bucks but others were 80? So I got something else. I hope these work and I hope they come before my race. good luck on yours! You and Aunt should have fun!

Race: Tacoma Narrows Half Marathon (13.1 Miles) 01:56:13, Place in age division: 6
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.438.105.000.0014.53

Race start  7:30 AM  58F w/ FOG!!!! at the start, sunny and 67F at the finish.

Executive Report (caution, exclamation point abuse ahead):  UNDER TWO HOURS!!  (A first!) And a 6 minute PR! With hills!! Five of my miles at or below what I consider to be a “tempo run.”   I only pause occasionally in my incessant grinning, to facilitate a few tears of joy.

I left home at 4:30 AM in total darkness to catch the early shuttles from Tacoma to the race start in Gig Harbor.  I got an awesome free parking space just two blocks from the finish.  I don’t believe in omens at all, but in hindsight it’s pretty fun to pretend that’s what it was.  And then another one: fog! As the shuttle approached the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, the previously clear skies suddenly had a bit of low clouds about, and next thing you know - fog!  I wonder where I can purchase a bumper sticker that says “i (heart) fog.”

But not everyone likes fog, the poor dears.  I distinctly heard some complaining from the seat behind me, and our bus driver was having trouble finding the way.  I knew this shindig was “by the airport” (a very small airport  in Gig Harbor), but it turns out that the start is IN the airport.  Not such a good feeling, to be lost in the fog and suddenly be passing small aircraft... visions of wandering onto a landing strip tried to break into my fog-induced calm.

But we made it there all right.  The packet pick up was inside a hangar - how cool is that?  A small plane and a helicopter sat nearby as I waited in line.  I soon saw AuntieEm and another Ravelry friend. It was actually COLD, with a breeze and the fog.  What a happy feeling, after the 100+ temps this week.  

I had 2 trips to the Honey Buckets, 1 to the woods (long lines at the HBs!), and warmed up with 1.43 of jogging and some drills.  I joined the crowd at the start 5 minutes before gun time, but the race was another 10 minutes late.  All the while, there is a loudspeaker up near the front, which sounds (as it always does) like, “Wah wor ver har her wah wor race ver raha werwa roh...”  What? Something about the race?  When will they learn we cannot hear anything past the first 10 bodies?

Course map is here: http://tacomanarrowshalf.com/map.html, but the elevation chart that accompanies it seems quite inaccurate. For one thing, it appears to follow terra firma under the water instead of over the bridge!

(1) 9:00  Gun goes off, and despite the fact that I’m lined up appropriately I am surrounded by - walkers!  Gaa!  The first mile was quite crowded, so I went ahead and did a bit of weaving.  I felt really good, but tried not to spend too much energy playing dodge-the-jogger.
(2) 8:27  We were running on a highway through very tall conifer forests, full of fog.  :D  Absolutely beautiful; classic Pacific Northwest. Bit of downhill here and a turn onto the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.  Bit of downhill in this mile.
(3) 9:00  The bridge is about a mile long and the first half goes uphill of course. It actually felt like a longer segment than half to me, but that may have been an illusion.  There was a cross wind on the bridge that was fairly strong here. Had to be careful with those cowboy-sneezes.
(4) 9:01  We finished the bridge and immediately had another hill to climb.  I still felt extremely zippy, and I wasn’t sure how long the fog would last, so I kept my pace up a bit higher than I normally would on a hill.  We crossed a freeway and leveled out a bit as we headed into a residential neighborhood.
(5) 10:07  More hill, and my slowest mile. I feel discouraged. I say a bad word. Repeatedly. I begin to question whether I had made the right choice to push up that earlier hill.  I had harbored a “best” goal of going sub-2, but this is way too early to feel this tired. I decide to just do my best and stop looking at the watch.
(6) 8:51 Things felt better here, and I rallied.  We were out of the neighborhood diversion and there was a bit of downhill.  Here we ran on a bike path along the side the freeway. If it weren’t for the lovely fog, I would have really hated this.  The path here was mostly flat with some undulations. 
(7) 8:48  I started to pass slower people, always finding a little hidden energy whenever I’m boxed into a group of runners.  About this time, I started sensing a pain on the outside of my foot, at the base of the big toe. It feels like... a blister. But I don’t get blisters.  I begin sending strongly-worded memos to my foot, hoping it will remember company policy and stop hurting.
(8) 8:45  I definitely have a blister.  I say another bad word. Also, I am getting hotter, so I start pouring water on my head at each aid station, which feels wonderful. I notice my fingers have swollen up and my face is scratchy with salt, but I don’t have any nausea yet. Fog has become more of a low cloud.
(9) 9:07  We ran a diversion through Cheney Stadium, our only bit of running on dirt (inside the stadium).  The stadium was mostly empty and music was playing for us. That was nice, but something about it reminded me of the empty hotel in The Shining, and I was glad to get out of there.  
(10) 8:38  At this point I really wanted to stop and get something on my blister. I also wanted to use the Honey Bucket, but we were so close and I still felt I was running well.  A bit of a self-pep-talk convinced me that I would be fine; moreover, I’d be happier later if I just toughed it out.
(11) 9:16 There goes the cloud cover. The wretched sun came out and the path went steeply uphill again.  Good thing I had finished the should-I-stop debate from mile 10.  A few Marathon Maniacs passed me here (this race was a reunion race for them).  Dead bird in the middle of the bike path. The uphill was mercifully short.  
(12) 8:22  We got off the bike path here and ran through a very ugly industrial area. The sun beat down and the new black asphalt felt like an oven. There was also a wicked-steep downhill here that I was glad to put behind me.  Early in this mile, one of the M. Maniacs caught up with me a chatted a bit; I was wearing my Big Sur shirt and he had run it twice. A casual conversation turned into a jolt of energy when he said, “yeah, we’ll break 2 for sure.”  We will?  I had stopped looking at the Garmin and had been running by feel for at least 3 miles. “Oh yeah. You could jog it in and still make it.”  Words cannot express what that did for me.  I picked up the pace just as the terrain started to slope downward. There will be no “jogging it in.”
(13) 8:27    My blister hurt and my legs felt a bit weak, but I had plenty left in the fuel department.  Except for a bit of rough road and a short downhill section that was so steep I had to actually slow down, this was a very happy mile.

(Final .1 kick) 7:58  There it is.  A “one” on the clock...  So happy. So very happy.

Award was a commemorative drinking glass.  Found AuntieEm and shared congratulations. Good band playing.  Blister attended to by nice med-man.  Happy ending!

Regarding my Victoria Marathon in October ...  Don't say it!  You can think it, but don't say it.  Really, please don't.  I just want to know what anyone's opinions are about the most important kind(s) of workout(s) I need to be doing next.  During the last half of this race, I was thinking what I always think during a half-m: it's a good thing I don't have to do this for 26 miles.  So a 9:00 pace is going to have to feel easier than it did today, or at least not horrid.  Four hours is just too long to "tough out" a too-fast effort.  So tempo runs & MP runs? More V02?  All of it?  I'm inclined to focus on tempo and MP runs, but maybe I should just keep everything in the mix, ala Hudson.  Mark your ballot - but don't say it.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 14.00
Comments
From redrooster on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 16:35:50 from 71.219.144.7

great job Sno, a PR, and after that nasty heat wave, way to go!! you will smoke the Victoria marathon!!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 16:47:07 from 67.171.56.164

Don't say it!! (But thanks!)

From JD on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 17:19:25 from 32.178.119.130

Yeah!!!

Great report too! But, yeah!!

(IT) Not saying.

From Mark on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 17:19:29 from 173.168.88.68

Great job! I saw the time on the list of race reports, and immediately thought, finally - you got the race time that you deserved from all of your hard training in the rain, wind, snow, fog, and whatever else has been thrown at you!

From Dale on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 17:19:52 from 69.10.215.11

Congrats on the sub-2 finish & PR! Well done!

First of all, the 9:00/mi pace will feel easier without all the hills. I think some fast repeats to make 9:00/mi feel slow early on would help (call it VO2 if you must, but it's just speed), along with some hill sprints for strength, gradually changing into longer/slower intervals. Plus, make some of your long runs fast finish w/ a few MP miles and 1-2 10K pace miles on the end, gradually getting longer. You've got the endurance and obviously the speed....you just need to make the pace feel easy and work on maintaining the pace when tired.

Great job and soak it in for now!

From Bill Mandler on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 17:43:43 from 72.24.152.3

Congratulations on the PR, and 6 minutes to boot!!! You should be very encouraged that your last 2 miles were your best miles of the race. It shows your endurance is absolutely where it needs to be.

I would recommend some tempo runs once per week to help make your pace easier in the race. If you know you have run 8:30 miles deep in to a run, a 9:00 pace will be achievable to maintain.

Again....GREAT JOB!!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 17:52:33 from 24.8.167.243

Yeeee Haaaah! Way to go Snoqualmie! I knew you had it in you.

Not saying it, and I'm not the expert, but the one thing I really remember from Hudson is that MP runs are very important at the end of marathon training. And I think that dovetails nicely with the fast finish runs a la McMillan.

From Kelli on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 18:43:35 from 71.219.100.174

I am NOT SAYING IT!!! But, way to go today! You had such an awesome race, we are all very proud of you and how hard you work! You earned that great race!!!!

And NO ONE abuses exclamation points like I do, so no worries.

I am so not good at advice. You know what you are doing way more than I do. I know our group is doing the LONG workout (up to two hours twice a week with hills one day and speed the next). They seem to know what they are doing, so I just follow them.

YEAH!!!!!! I am so happy for you today.

From auntieem on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 19:33:18 from 67.182.145.8

SNO! Still feeling so happy for your success! Also I'm laughing out loud about how different our race reports are concerning the weather- HAHA. I was so so happy to feel the blessed sun on my back in those last few miles!

Did you see your place in your division yet? I found some results, but they don't have the official times. Just look where you are.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 19:51:04 from 97.126.147.83

Whoot Whoot!!! That is a fantastic race report and incredible time!! A huge congratulations to you :)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 19:54:50 from 67.185.148.81

Dude!!! I mean Sno, that is pretty amazing! Great job...that's close to my time for a half marathon. I'm extremely happy for you!!!

From allie on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 22:54:54 from 208.110.151.113

congrats on a huge PR! way to go! a great report, as always. this sounds like a very cool race.

From nicole on Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 23:01:04 from 99.204.99.160

You dominate!!! you should be so proud of yourself! enjoy this incredible race for awhile!!

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 13:49:35 from 192.168.1.1

Congratulations on the breakthrough!

I think you have sub-4:00 in you, you just need to learn to not be afraid to run that pace early on and do not wonder if you can do it until you really honestly cannot. Then try again, keep trying until it happens.

Maybe find a marathon that has a 4:00 pace group and run with them.

From Sean Sundwall on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 14:38:25 from 209.67.107.10

FANTASTIC JOB! We missed you at running club but thrilled that you had such a great race and that the weather was better than had been predicted earlier in the week. I wish I could have been there to run it as well.

Let's talk on Saturday about Victoria.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 17:24:03 from 67.171.56.164

Thank you, everyone! Thank you for sharing in my joy and encouraging me.

Sean - I would LOVE to talk with you on Saturday. I've been holding off because it seems like you are so very busy. See you then. :)

From april27 on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 15:12:43 from 143.43.6.59

Sno--Wow! I just read aunts report so then I had to come see yours and I was like Wow ! sub 2! that is sooo awesome! All that speedwork and hills are certainly paying off. And I love the commentary about the blisters...

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 15:20:18 from 67.171.56.164

Thanks, April! To get a result like this, that I didn't fully expect, is quite encouraging indeed!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.820.000.000.001.82

11:00 AM, 75F, and hot sunshine. Objective: recovery run/walk. 

It felt great to sleep in, though getting up was still a Senior Moment.  Very stiff and sore. 

Mr. Sno came out with me for this little capillary-opening exercise, he barefoot and I in my old trainers. (Our first ever "run" together, though I wouldn't really call it running.)  I haven't worn these shoes in quite a while, and boy did they feel clunky, stiff and heavy! 

My blister hurts quite a bit with just a bandaid. I think I'll dig out my old Moleskin and do the hiker bandage on it, with the hole in the middle.  Now that I get a good look at the thing, it seems to be two blisters: a long narrow one and a smaller, rounder one right beneath it.  I am just cracking up, because it looks like an exclamation point! Hahahahahaha

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 1.82
Comments
From auntieem on Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 16:32:53 from 67.182.145.8

That sounds fun, running with barefoot Mr. Sno! I sometimes "use" my DH for recovery runs. Your blister sounds nasty! Strange how that would happen yesterday when it never did before. I always get tiny blisters around my toes when I race, but NEVER when I am training. They are very tiny and not painful though. The hiker bandaid solution sounds good!

Sno, you were 6th in the official results! So wow!

From JD on Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 17:29:47 from 166.183.66.143

That's so funny that your blister is shaped like an exclamation point! Like your foot is surprised at the speed that it was moving!

Enjoy some recovery time.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 19:19:14 from 67.171.56.164

All in all, it was a day for exclamation points. I'm in no danger of taking this for granted; I still feel amazed by it all.

Another thought that came today: I didn't taper! On Weds & Thurs, it was so hot I was pretty sure I'd just fun-run it. I had a short run Friday, but not what you'd call a taper.

I want to put this feeling in a bottle and have some stored away for hard times. :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 21:15:22 from 24.8.167.243

Even your blisters are excited about your accomplishment.

That's interesting about not tapering. I wonder what we can assume from that.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 09:00:02 from 67.171.56.164

What I'd *like* to assume is that I may have gotten closer to the McMillan calculator prediction of 1:53:47 (off my June 5K time), a prediction I found a bit far fetched at the time. I'll never know...

The dot on the exclamation point has faded/healed. The long part is getting ugly. I painted "Skin Shield" on it last night. The Moleskin got all gummy and had to be removed (my packet is about 25 years old so maybe time to replace...). Any other suggestions, folks?

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:16:56 from 67.182.145.8

Do you have a thing called "second skin"; its a gel like stuff sort of on plastic or something. It works sometimes.

I didn't taper either! Maybe that is the key to success or something. I ran normal miles all week, did the 4X1600 workout on Monday, but skipped the hill workout on Thursday. Friday was off, but Friday is always off. Who invented tapering anyway? Do the Taraumara taper?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.350.000.000.005.35

62F, sunny w/ a few high, thin clouds. Another recovery run.

These legs feel pretty dead today. The first mile was incredibly weak and awkward. I was so glad to feel them loosen up after that.  But when I stopped for water, and started up again, they got wonky all over again. The second day is always the worst. Tomorrow will be better I'm sure.


Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.35
Comments
From auntieem on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:29:43 from 67.182.145.8

Jeez, Sno, I just responded to your yesterday's blog. We are actually on here at the same time. Nice miles today. I hope the foot feels better. Are you still happy with Saturday's run? I have entered the post race doldrum phase, where I just want the next race to come. I am glad I understand this ridiculous emotioinal roller coaster for what it is.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 12:32:35 from 67.171.56.164

I feel great, thanks! I am very anxious to recover and get back to work! All goals merge into one now: make 9:00 pace feel "easy."

MP pace for a BQ is actually 9:20 for me, but I have to factor in an on-course warm up (not needed for the half), and walking through the water stops.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 12:32:53 from 198.241.156.7

You speak from the voice of experience. I like your positive outlook.

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 12:48:16 from 67.182.145.8

Sno, I wish we could run together a bit. Also I need to pick your brains for marathon wisdom. You are very calming and I need calming down right now!

From JD on Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 14:14:37 from 64.65.159.206

I think your smart to train for a 9:00 pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.590.000.000.006.59

60F & clear. (Dark @ 4:55am, autumn coming.) Easy run, still recovering.

I'm still pretty stiff and the quads are still sore, but I had a very pleasant run.  Lots of smiling runners out this morning.  I also ran into a former running partner, who took some time off from running but is now back at it. She and her husband signed up for the Seattle Marathon, so I should be seeing her more often. 

For podcast fans, here is an interview with Christopher McDougall, author of Born To Run.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.09BF Miles: 0.50
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:24:33 from 24.8.167.243

You were sure out early today. I need to follow your example.

I'll listen to the podcast in a little while when I have a chance.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:58:17 from 207.225.192.66

It was still pretty dark when I got out the door at 5:10am. It sure looks like fall is on the way. I will have to check out the podcast, thanks for posting it.

From auntieem on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:59:07 from 67.182.145.8

Thanks for posting the podcast link. I'll download it to my ipod. Nice run!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 16:39:26 from 198.241.217.15

I listened to the podcast. Very interesting interview. It made me think of a question that I've had for a little while. For those of you who are dabbling in barefoot running, what are you going to do once it gets cold and snowy?

Also, this Brandon guy on the podcast likes to hear himself speak. He digressed too much and took too long getting to the interview. But I did enjoy the interview.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 17:38:06 from 67.171.56.164

Re: Brandon's interview skills - I agree completely! But, you can't beat free information. :)

I have no idea what I will do when it gets cold. And this morning, it occurred to me that a more serious problem might be The Darkness. Hard to avoid stuff on the ground when you cannot see it. As far as I can tell, all the die hard barefooters live in sunny, warm places. (Poor dears.) But since my BF'g is minimal anyhow, it may not make that much difference.

I expect to use VFFs and other minimal footwear for a winter compromise. Here are a couple of items I've been considering:

http://yhst-10522719838930.stores.yahoo.net/sockwa-2009-line.html

http://runlikemonkey.com/gear-reviews/feelmax-running-shoes/#comment-283

http://www.barefootrunner.com/2009/03/review-soft-star-leather-mocs/

From JD on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 18:05:18 from 166.183.243.41

How about barefoot treadmill runs? Since the barefoot runs are so short for me at this point in my illustrious barefooting career, maybe a 1/4 mile a couple of times a week on the treadmill...

BTW Sno, because of your win against Old Man Winter last season, I'm inspired to give it go this coming Winter. All my runs outdoors. Except for a half mile or so a week barefoot on the treadmill. Oh, and maybe here and there a short second run of the day on the treadmill. And of course, if it's too cold and wet...JK!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 22:34:09 from 67.171.56.164

JD, Your TM-tolerance is a thing of courage and mystery to me! Due to my recent divorce (from the TM!) I doubt I could even force a quarter mile reunion. There are too many hard feelings between us! We both said some ugly things... it can never be the same.

;)

From april27 on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 08:24:08 from 99.188.251.180

I do hate that about winter--gets to dark early and stays dark too late.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.800.000.000.003.80

Cloudy! :) 58F  Easy run. 20 min. weights.   Feeling impatient to get my legs back, I decided to make this run shorter. My quad soreness is gone, but the legs still feel really dead.  So this run was what I consider a "virtual" day off.  Hopefully I will feel the benefits tomorrow.  That's the trouble with racing, at least for me.  I can cheat a little on the taper, but there is no way around losing the time it takes to recover.  Love the weather change!  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 3.80
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:16 from 24.8.167.243

Congratulations on the clouds! I'm sure your legs will be back to their usual highjinx in no time.

From auntieem on Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:19:26 from 67.182.145.8

BRrrr! I'm freezing, while you are loving it!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 13:57:33 from 70.56.91.1

I knew you would say something about the weather today! Perfect for running!! Keep up the easy miles this week and recovery will come -

From JD on Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 14:34:22 from 64.65.159.206

Nice weather! Way to make the most of a virtual day off.

From Kelli on Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 18:30:21 from 71.219.100.174

Nice temperatures there!!! I am so very jealous!

You will get your running legs back soon, enjoy the virtual time off while you can!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.150.000.000.008.15

55F, cloudy. Objective: still easy, but extend miles and try to pick up the pace. 

My legs have progressed from dead to sluggish, better than no progress.  In honor of my cloudy morning, here is an a cappella African Thunderstorm.   No instruments, not even the percussion - it's all done with human sounds.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.15
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:35:59 from 207.225.192.66

Nice run today... I woke up to some thunder today looks like we will have storms for the rest of the week! Ya... maybe it will cool us down a bit!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:37:54 from 198.241.156.7

I've just been on a lengthy distraction investigating Perpetuum Jazzile. Thanks for the link!

Congratulations again on a cloudy day.

From JD on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:41:32 from 64.65.159.206

Good to hear the legs are willing to cooperate! Love that cloudy weather. We've been in the mid-upper 90's for several days now, but tomorrow and Saturday the high temp is forecast at 80 degrees, and maybe some rain. Ahhhhh...

From auntieem on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:58:29 from 67.182.145.8

That was wonderful! Like Carolyn, I got distracted for a bit while I explored Perpetuum Jazzile. With my eyes closed, that exactly captured the way those storms cut loose!

Great miles today, Sno! Your legs are back!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:09:24 from 67.185.148.81

Sno,

Go check out jon on his wednesday, Aug. 5th report. Another interesting(scary) dog story. I may have to start running with some pepper spray too.

From april27 on Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 09:51:28 from 99.188.251.180

Thanks for the link...I love that song!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.040.000.000.003.04

55F, cloudy. Another beautiful day!  Objective: short run in VFFs.  20 minutes strength.

I let myself sleep in a bit, so with only about 35 minutes to run I decided to make the most of it and do a VFF workout.  I am still not very comfortable with the toe pockets. It's odd that that should be the only trouble I have with them. I wonder if I will ever really get used to it.  I think I might be most comfortable in something like a moccasin, or these.  

The VFFs are a lot of fun to run in.  What has struck me the most is the fact that I can run on grass with stability.  I believe I have mentioned on my blog in the past that even a little parking strip of grass will put me in danger of rolling my ankle if I'm in shoes.  With the VFFs I feel totally stable and secure on all surfaces.  Slow, but stable.  And man am I slow in these!  It just goes to show how much speed comes from the bounce of rubber in shoes.

Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 3.04
Comments
From jun on Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:28:59 from 66.239.250.209

I really need to get a pair of those.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:32:56 from 24.8.167.243

Very interesting analysis of the VFFs. You know we're all watching you to see how you like them. The Feelmax shoes look interesting too. And no toe pockets.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:33:01 from 24.18.192.33

Stay tuned for other minimalist footwear workouts! I might try aquasocks and/or mocs sometime. I am still on the fence as to whether the VFFs are worth the $$. The toe pockets are really bugging me.

From auntieem on Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:00:51 from 67.182.145.8

Interesting observation about their stability on grass. I guess its because your feet actually have to respond to changes in terrain, and they naturally compensate. Probably uses a whole bunch more muscles!

I think the toe pockets serve the purpose of keeping the toes slightly spread, adding to stability. When I notice how my feet run barefoot, my toes are slightly splayed. It helps us balance. The only time I've been unhappy with running shoes is when they seem to squish my toes up too much. It reminds me of yoga, where you lace your fingers between your toes and get a nice toe stretch!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.180.000.000.0020.18

High 50s to low 60s F, lovely cloudy day. Objective: endurance, club run, S.C. Hill. 

Very satisfying run. It was a little far to go on not-quite-recovered legs, but I am willing to pay the price of sitting on the couch the rest of the day. ;)  In truth, my legs feel horrible at the moment. Like, almost post-marathon horrible.  But they did a great job up until mile 16 or 17, then they had to be forced. Only a week from my half-marathon PR, so I'll take it.

Interesting route today: down the Parkway, to the club meet up at the high school, around the Mill Pond Rd and some other back roads of Snoqualmie I've never seen (never even knew they were there!), back into town (said goodbye to club), up the Spirit Crusher Hill (actually felt slightly easier today!), continued up to and into Deer Park, back down to central area and finally out to The Heights and back home. 

Dead deer story...  At mile 2, going down the Parkway, there was a dead doe in the road.  I approached her to make sure she wasn't still alive - she wasn't - and saw her poor body actually dented by the car or truck that hit her. The saddest thing was that her surviving friend was still hanging around, waiting for her in the bushes on the median strip. A police car happened by and stopped to take care of the situation, lights flashing.  Even then she still lingered near us.  So it is with death among social creatures; the pain goes on in those who are left behind. 

It was hard to shake that experience off, but running with nice people is good therapy.  A very nice 16 y.o. girl joined us today for the first time, and there were 4 of us in my pace group today.  Blackberries are starting to come ripe, and the roadsides are covered with them, so I had a little supplemental nutrition from time to time. Yum.

Here comes the cavalry! Sean Sundwall is looking at my training plan for the next couple of months and we'll be talking about it tonight or tomorrow.  As soon as he said "I like your mileage," I was ready to swear my loyalty.  Having someone look at my age and tell me to stop running quite so much is one of my biggest fears about having a coach.  I am really looking forward to having some extra guidance.  There is definitely something missing from my training, as evidenced by the inconsistency of my race times as I progress to longer distances.  For example, as I was telling Sean, my VDOT number (from Daniels Running Formula) is a 39, 37.5 or 36 depending on which of my race times I use, 5K, half-m or marathon.  Sir Sean will work all that out for me and help me get that marathon time down where it should be.  :D

Brooks ST3 Miles: 20.18
Comments
From JD on Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 14:59:15 from 64.65.159.206

Great run Sno!!

From auntieem on Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 15:44:12 from 67.182.145.8

How nice, Sno, that SS will help you! I think you will enjoy that. My VDOTS are all over too, because you race differently at different distances. If I use my 5K one, my MP is 8:30, but if I use my recent 1/2 one, my MP is 8:45. I'm going with the 8:45, because of course a 1/2 is a better predictor of a whole.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 15:57:57 from 97.126.147.83

Nice run Sno!!! It's good to see that you can do that many miles after running the half so fast! I think that is a testament to your training and abilities.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 17:12:13 from 24.8.167.243

Great run today, Sno. You really are the queen of mileage.

That's really said about the deer.

Glad you enjoyed the blackberries.

I think it's great that Sean Sundwall is going to help you. As always, I am interested to see how it goes!

From april27 on Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:11:49 from 99.188.251.180

I hate seeing dead deer! thank goodness I usually see alive ones...

Great miles today!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.200.000.000.004.20

Low 60s, cloudy. Objective: active recovery.

I slept like death, as my grandmother used to say.  I went to bed hobbling, weak and sore.  But this morning I felt great!  I was slow, but I had zero soreness.  Ten hours of sleep is my new miracle-recovery plan.  Trouble is, one cannot always stay asleep, even if one makes time for it.

PM- 2.1 run/walk with my daughter! :D 

Monday through Sunday weekly tally = 51.31 miles.  53.41

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.20
Comments
From JD on Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 14:37:02 from 209.183.51.65

Good recovery run. That's a good sign that you're not sore after all those miles yesterday.

Have a nice Sunday.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:30:19 from 24.8.167.243

In most cases anything involving death would be a bad thing, but it sounds like sleeping like death is a good thing. 10 hours, eh? Not sure if I could swing it.

Good job on the recovery run.

From april27 on Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 23:30:19 from 99.188.251.180

I love sleep! I need 7-8 or I feel poopy! I was amazed last week that I felt awesome the next day after my 12 miler...I guess we are both getting to be quit the runners...LOL I know I know you are MUCH better..but i'm getting there...Oh and BTW Daniels book is good. The jargon is really making me understand what ya'll talk about sometimes. I won't be able to implement all of what he says but I have atleast gotten myself up to 5 days and more miles. So that is part of it!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:59:44 from 24.18.192.33

You are doing great, April!!

From allie on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:09:47 from 67.161.243.158

yes! "scratch that" --- your already impressive weekly total just went up a notch. nice work!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.830.000.000.007.83

58F, mostly cloudy, windy (~10 mph), pretty pink sunrise, waning gibbous moon. Objective: easy.  5.74 miles alone, then 2.09 w/ Young Miss Sno!  (20 min strength work)

I am very pleased and excited to have had some running with my beautiful daughter!  She has two speeds: fast and walk.   We did a fun loop through the neighborhood, choosing landmarks and running to each one before taking another little walk break.  She is much faster than I am, she just needs to develop some aerobic strength.  If she continues to run this week (3x), she will get her own running blog, something she really wants. She is already planning her blog name: SnoFlake.  :)

How did this come about?  Yesterday we did a bunch of shopping for her fall wardrobe, (home)school supplies and shoes.  She is growing so fast, we had to replace nearly everything -- including sneakers.  And I suppose that is where the inspiration came from... next thing I knew we were lacing them up and going out for a run together.  We both noticed that the early evening run (on not quite digested dinner food) felt a little uncomfortable, so I told her that if she was up and ready when I returned from my run this morning, she could come out with me and do her miles.  And so it begins.

Someone who loves running as much as I do cannot help but be totally overjoyed to share it with someone I love as much as I do her.  I don't want to push it, because as we all know, you have to have the internal motivation or it will never get anywhere.  But I am already hearing, "this is fun!"   :D x 1,000

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.83
Comments
From Fast Running Mommy on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:28:14 from 192.168.1.1

Snoflake..I love it!!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:31:22 from 207.225.192.66

That is great!! My oldest son runs some, but it wasn't til he moved out that he wanted to do it. Have fun with her!! It will be awesome.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:39:30 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks ladies! FRM - I told SnoFlake about your little girl's blog and I think she enjoyed seeing that.

From LuzyLew on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:14:36 from 208.187.197.42

This entry made my heart sing. I would love it if anyone in my family was excited about lacing up and coming out with me. What a wonderful entry from the pink sunrise and waning moon to the shopping, to the mommy/daughter run. Made my day and gave me hope one day my own sweetie may enjoy a run outside with her Mama.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:05:16 from 206.188.45.92

Will look for more from SnoFlake soon... Pretty darn cool! Your mileage is looking nice, just how Sean wants it :-)

Do you think that running Spirit Crusher has helped your fitness? I think it really helped mine when running it.

From Lysa on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 15:10:14 from 76.23.52.240

thats great! how old is your daughter?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 17:15:35 from 24.18.192.33

Luz - What a lovely comment! My girl always seems to need to be different from me, and I totally respect that. So when anyone would say, do *you* run? she would proudly declare that no, she was a gymnast. Now she's talking about training for 5Ks and having her own running blog. I deeply hope it's not just a phase.

Jeff- Spirit Crusher - YES! In fact, it is just as you predicted and I am so pleased to see how much it has helped. Not just running it, but running it in a long run. Wicked hard, but very effective!! Thanks for encouraging me to do it!

Lysa - She is 12.5 (those halves count at her age!). And she has these long thin legs - not from *my* side of the family! lol We're all Barney Rubble-like in my clan.

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:53:39 from 67.182.145.8

SnoFlake, how perfect! How exciting for you. LOL - my daughter's interest was sparked initially by the shoes too.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 19:10:37 from 24.8.167.243

That's so exciting, Sno! I looking forward to hearing from SnoFlake. I'm sure I've told you this before, but she is just about exactly the same age as my Thing 3.

From JD on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:28:47 from 166.203.55.70

Your daughter is lucky to have you for a mom!

From Fast Running Mommy on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:58:03 from 192.168.1.1

Thing 3? Is that from the Cat in the Hat..only there are only 2 there. Sasha started calling two of our children thing 1 and thing 2 after Jacob our 5th was born. We decided to put on a play to that theme for a ward talent show..Sasha was the Cat in the Hat, I was the mom of course, Benjamin was the boy, Jenny was Sally, Joseph and Julia were thing 1 and thing 2 and the baby Jacob was the fish..it was hilarious!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:21:30 from 24.8.167.243

Yes, Sarah, it's from The Cat in the Hat, and yes I know there were only two Things. I just call my kids by those names on the blog so that people don't have to keep track of which kid is which. Your play sounds really cute. The only thing we've done for a ward talent show is a "song" called Bulbous Bouffant. You can hear a clip of it here (I think):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000056W0C/ref=pd_krex_dp_001_005?ie=UTF8&track=005&disc=001

From april27 on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:40:59 from 99.188.251.180

SnoFlake--how cute!

Well even if it is just a phase that is okay b/c one never knows she may pick it back up again later...I'm glad she thinks running is fun b/c there is no way I would put run and fun in the same sentence when I was her age!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.100.000.000.009.10

59F w/ steady rain.  Objective: easy to moderate pace w/ a few form drills. 

I cannot even remember the last time it rained here. June maybe? As Cliff Mass explains, our region really isn't its stereotypically wet self in summer.  But even this long drought is atypical.  All the plants in the neighborhood seemed to be sighing with relief. 

It can be tricky to dress correctly for rain in the summer, when higher temperatures might make me too hot and getting soaked might make me too cold.   Knowing I would be out in it for a while, I stayed conservative and went for warmth: my thinnest running tights, a long sleeve shirt of the thinnest fabric and closest fit, a nylon vest and gortex cap.  There is no point in trying to stay dry; temperature control is everything. At the last minute, I also slipped on my thin Smartwool glove liners. Every single inch of me got soaked, but I was perfectly comfortable throughout the run.  I believe my pace may have been hindered by carrying so much water, but I had a great time.

When I was a little girl, if I ever was at home during the morning of a weekday (eg sick, school vacation), I remember my mother watching and following along with Jack LaLanne on TV. I still have an LP record of his that my mother had purchased to get some extra exercise when she couldn't watch the show (it's blue vinyl!).  So I particularly enjoyed this little piece on Jack LaLanne. In addition to the powerful photos, there are two short videos embedded: the first about sugar consumption (as valid today as it was 50 years ago), and a self-improvement plan that is absolutely charming.  If you need a smile this morning, I highly recommend them.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.10
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:53:57 from 198.241.174.15

I hope you enjoyed the rain!

I watched the Jack LaLanne videos. I'm pretty good at avoiding most of the things on his sugar list most of the time. The other one was kind of funny. It would be overwhelming for most people who hadn't been doing those 10 things to try to start doing all of them one week. But why, when he got to grooming, did he only talk about women?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:00:24 from 24.18.192.33

LOL! I suppose only women watched his show (daytime), but that was a different era you know. The grooming comment cracked me up, but was also a little sad.

From auntieem on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:08:59 from 67.182.145.8

Yeah, the rain is refreshing isn't it? It felt like a warm rain during the track workout yesterday evening, but by the time I got home, I was soaked to the skin, and shivering cold. The Lunaracers, though, don't soak up any water! I can stand one more day of rain, then I want my summer back.

From april27 on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 16:39:31 from 143.43.53.71

Thanks for the link~

From JD on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:01:12 from 64.65.159.206

Nice mileage for a Tuesday!

From JD on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:16:39 from 64.65.159.206

Oh, and thanks for that great link!

Jack LaLanne should've run for president!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:45:29 from 207.225.192.66

Wow great miles today... I'll have to check out the video's when I'm home... Darn fair walls at work :(

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.950.000.000.667.61

60F, raining (light, heavy and everything in between).  Two runs: 1) V02 & leg strength (hill repeats), and 2) run/walk with my daughter.  

First run:
W.U. 20 min easy
6 X 1 min hard on the Spirit Crusher w/ 2 min recovery (1' walk, 1' jog)
C.D. 15 min.

I used the interval function on the Garmin, which saves all one's distances and paces, so all I had to do was listen to the time alarms and do my best (I didn't look at the results until I came home).  I kept my effort level pretty much the same on each rep, except that I tried to make the last one my fastest.  The S.C. hill is approximately 12-15% grade (could be wrong, Garmin is inconsistent in reading this hill).  On every rep, I started out feeling super and at the end of the minute I thought I might start seeing stars, totally oxygen starved.

Results:
1st   .10 mi  @ 9:33 pace
2nd   .11 @ 9:26
3rd   .11 @ 8:54
4th   .11 @ 9:04
5th   .11 @ 8:52
6th   .12 @ 8:29

Second run:
Added another layer of clothing to walk/jog with my daughter. She is already getting stronger aerobically, but she wanted to do 3 miles today instead of 2, so there was a lot of walking and her legs got tired.  I am so proud of her.  One more run, on Friday, and she will have earned her own running blog, so stay tuned and watch for new member, "SnoFlake."  

Lots of fun today!  Wish I had more time to type; I could say quite a bit more (not surprised, are you? lol), but I've got to scoot.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.61
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:50:43 from 207.225.192.66

Nice runs! It's great to see that your daughter is already getting stronger... oh to be so young again LOL Sounds like you are busy... have a great day!

From Bonnie on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:02:13 from 75.164.103.101

Nice run!! Did you get your plan from Sean?

Can't wait to hear from SnoFlake!

From Dale on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:42:30 from 69.10.215.11

Nice set of repeats. Those are hard but really do help develop strength. I credit hill repeats with helping me finally sneak under 3 last Oct.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:28:09 from 166.205.133.122

Bonnie- yes, coach's orders. :)

From auntieem on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:39:05 from 67.182.145.8

Nice work on SC hill. Soon YOU will crush its spirit! I think that SnoFlake will enjoy the blog. My young runner logs her miles on a blog, and it does seem motivating for her, and helps her achieve her goals right now in this busy training time.

We are done with hill repeats for now (sad), and have moved on to track speed work again.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 15:26:19 from 198.241.174.15

Great job, Snoqualmie, with both runs!

How long is Spirit Crusher? Were your two minutes recovery going back down so that you were running roughly the same stretch of hill on each interval? I ran a fairly hilly route this morning and I was thinking about you and wondering about your Spirit Crusher hill and whether there's anything like it near here.

From JD on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 18:13:17 from 64.65.159.206

Nice workout. You're going to have to change the hill's name from "Spirit Crusher" to "My Subservient Leg Strengthener".

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 19:17:07 from 24.18.192.33

Carolyn - Spirit Crusher is actually nearly 2 miles long, and longer if one continues up past where I live. I started calling it that because when you go from the bottom to the top, the steepest part is the last .8 of a mile; it tires you out and then goes for the throat. I did my hill repeats on that last section. Start and stop were fairly close to the same spots each time.

From april27 on Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 21:37:25 from 99.188.251.180

Sno--I was on a hilly run today for this area. I think I found my own spirit crusher. I shall have to download my garmin and see what the grad is on it...it is no where near 2 miles long but that is as close as I got to steep hill in the midwest!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.140.000.000.006.14

55F, cloudy, dry.  Easy run. 20 min. strength work.

I had a fine run, but I am starting to feel a bit sleep deprived. Might have to "go to bed with the chickens" tonight.   Hm. That doesn't sound right, does it?  Well, to bed super early, you know? An old idiom.

This morning I was pondering something that confuses me.  If I wear the Nike Lunaracers, which have quite a bit of bounce, when I do my speed work, am I cheating myself of the full workout?  Furthermore, if I do not plan to wear them in the marathon, should I perhaps not wear them for speed work? It almost makes more sense to wear them on easy days, ironically.

Though I am yet again pressed for time, I just have to mention my new toy: an iPhone.  How did I ever live without it???   All that stuff I used to have in my pockets (voice recorder, iPod & phone) when I went running is gone, replaced by this one little unit.  I also have email, internet, a notepad, 150 classic books, tides, maps (including real time traffic), MapMyRun, Kindle, a translator... I cannot even list it all.  Mr. Sno and I both got them.  The only drawback is that we had to go over to the dark side and use AT&T.  And the only inconvenience is that I don't have much time to play with it all! :)

Apologies for not getting to everyone's blogs lately. I will try to catch up later.  Cheers.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 6.14
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From jun on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:17:57 from 66.239.250.209

I wish I had advice for you on your shoes, but I've got nothing. As for your iPhone . . . . sinner. You are officially hand-cuffed by technology. Ha. Great job this morning.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:22:18 from 198.241.156.7

Ditto what jun said.

And aren't you fancy with your iPhone. I don't even have an iPod, just a knock-off.

BTW, I am feeling sleep deprived too. I just about fell asleep waiting at the doctor's office yesterday (I went in for another ART session).

From auntieem on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:23:25 from 67.182.145.8

An iphone? You are so progressive. Beware the extra radiation of the thing in your pocket.

I've been meaning to ask you if you wear your Lunaracers for races. I think they may not have quite enough cushioning for me for my marathon. And, no, I don't think its cheating to wear them for speedwork!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:51:35 from 207.225.192.66

Lucky!!! I want an iphone LOL... I have no advice on the shoes. I usually just buy what is comfortable and I can afford at the time, then run in them til I need new ones.

From Lysa on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 14:05:15 from 76.23.52.240

my hubby had an iphone that broke on him and he is having serious withdrawls. Its like anything else, ie. the internet, any kind of cell phone, this blog, facebook, email, and DVR's..how did we EVER live without any of it! Nice run. good job getting out there even being tired!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 15:27:31 from 71.35.168.173

I saw a man and what looked to be a 12 or 13 year old girl running/walking Wednesday evening at the ridge. Could that possibly have been your Husband and Snoflake?

Also, Make sure you clear it with the husband if you really want to "go to bed with the chickens". Who knows, he may be all for it. :-)

From JD on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 16:21:32 from 64.65.159.206

Chickens just don't do it for me.

I remember life before ATM's even existed!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 17:27:48 from 24.18.192.33

Jeff - No, we had Knit Night on Wednesday, including DD.

JD - I hear ya! I like to tell other moms (who are always so much younger than I though our kids are same age) that cars had no seat belts when I was a kid. Did you ever see the movie Blast From The Past?

From JD on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 19:46:08 from 209.183.51.62

I haven't seen it. Is it available/worth finding/funny?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 20:19:32 from 166.205.131.80

It is hilarious! A must see for boomers. When you do, you will know why this discussion reminded me of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.571.500.000.0010.07

54F, heavy rain, some fog.   Part 1: easy run w/ 1.5 @ MP (9:00-9:15) near end.  Part 2: run/walk w/ SnoFlake in VFFs. 

It was what I call a saturation run, with actual squishing sounds coming from the water-logged feet.  It's one click below a car wash run, which has the additional feature of wind. But we so need the rain!  "It's only water, it's only water, it's only..."

I really did not feel like doing any MP miles, but forced myself; there is always a good chance that race day will be wet around here.

Tomorrow I'll just do a short run with my club and Sunday will be the long run.  Counting Monday through Sunday, I hope to crack 60 miles this week.

SnoFlake's new blog should be up and running by tonight. She submitted her data, but nowadays Sasha has an approval system to keep out the riff-raff.  :)

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.77Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 1.30
Comments
From april27 on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 13:39:07 from 99.188.251.180

That is so awesome! Glad SnoFlake got to the third run so she can blog now. I wish I came up with a cuter blog name!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 15:01:55 from 198.241.217.15

I am always amazed at the way you run in the rain. On the rare once/year occasion that it's raining during the time I'm supposed to run, I think of you and try to muddle through.

Good thing SnoFlake isn't riff-raff! I'm looking forward to "meeting" her.

From JD on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 15:12:41 from 64.65.159.206

That's a good run.

Luckily I flew onto the blog under the radar, before the riff-raff-o-meter was installed.

From auntieem on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 16:02:24 from 67.182.145.8

Whew! I guess I made it under the radar too. Saturation run, another new running term! Sort of like JDs Active Rest Run. You guys are starting to make my 1600 repeats sound so dull!

We did not have heavy rain here; just a solid misting, but its quite cold.

From SnoFlake on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 19:32:14 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, I agree, it was definitely a 'saturation run'. I hope it's not like that tomorrow, too! Although some light rain would be nice, just so we don't get too hot.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.140.000.000.003.14

54F & cloudy.  Short & sweet w/ club & SnoFlake.  

I was up way past my bedtime last night (dinner at friends') and was happy to keep it short and slow (run/walk) this morning with SnoFlake.  I need a nap!  Our club had very few runners today.  SF is too young to join but ran w/ me as a guest, and one other woman, who was getting back to running after a 3 week absence joined us. SF is doing really well. We walk a lot, but I think that it's better for her than flash-in-the-pan runs.  I am very lucky; she is such a pleasure to be with, and we have a great time.   I'll do my long run tomorrow, and unless something goes awry I will go over 60 miles for my Mon-Sun week.   :D

Speaking of 60 miles, that looks like it will be the way of things for a while.  I finalized my running schedule with Coach Sean this week.  I am really pleased with the schedule. With all the workouts to choose from, it is very nice to have someone else say which ones on which weeks and not worry that I'm missing something.  The basic structure is ~60 mile weeks, some long runs w/ MP running (some without), and alternating weeks of hill repeats and a tempo run (2 quality workouts) with various intervals (just one quality workout). I get to make the choice of days for each workout, so there is plenty of flexibility for this stubborn old gal.

Since I'm also running shorter run/walk workouts with SnoFlake, my mileage may look a lot higher some weeks, but I'm keeping careful records so I make sure I get my fill of solo running - my SnoFlake workouts are just frosting on the great running cake of life.  :)

Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 3.14
Comments
From SnoFlake on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 13:22:43 from 166.205.131.85

Did someone say cake? :-) LOL

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 13:26:07 from 24.18.192.33

Hahahaha! As a matter of fact, as soon as I typed it my stomach grumbled...

From Bill Mandler on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 13:39:42 from 72.24.152.3

It is so cool to be running with your daughter. I have only been able to do that a few times. My youngest is on the high school swimming team so she focuses on that and doesn't like to run.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 13:56:41 from 24.8.167.243

The running cake of life. Fabulous.

It sounds like you've got a great training plan and that you're enjoying working with a coach, you stubborn old gal.

From auntieem on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 19:22:36 from 67.182.145.8

That is so exciting Sno! Both the runs with snoflake and the coaching! I am very happy for you.

From JD on Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 22:44:09 from 209.183.51.131

Sounds like a win/win situation with you and SnoFlake. Your daughter is getting into running, and your adding miles to your base. I notice Sasha logs miles that he runs with his kids everyday. I imagine it's a great enhancement to a training program.

From april27 on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 00:39:44 from 99.188.251.180

I think adding SnoFlake miles are a great way to keep running fun. Wow 60 miles! you are the awesomest runner!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.400.000.000.0018.40

Mid 50s F rising to mid 60s during run. Cloudy, changing to mostly sunny. Breezy.  Objective: endurance, w/ miles 16 - 17.75 going up Spirit Crusher Hill. 

The only really positive thing I can say about this run is that I completed the planned miles, and I came up the hill w/ only 2 brief walk breaks (when my breath was too short).  I was tired and uninspired nearly the whole run, but especially when my nice clouds went away and the sun came out.  I still feel like I'm recovering from staying out late Friday night - what a wimp. Anyway, this was a very tough run.  Some days are just like that. 

Mon-Sun weekly mileage = 62.29

Brooks ST3 Miles: 18.40
Comments
From JD on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 15:45:05 from 166.216.128.78

It's impressive how consistently you do these long runs.

From auntieem on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 15:57:04 from 67.182.145.8

Oh, yes, you are such a complete wimp! Very nice miles; I can only aspire to such long runs on a weekly basis.

From Adam RW on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 15:58:07 from 155.101.152.103

Steal away. If they help, pass them around. I like the name of your mountain today. Spirit Crusher on the way up but I'm sure once at the summit it is a spirit uplifter!

From Dale on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 17:24:10 from 69.10.215.11

Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. Nice work getting it done.

From Kelli on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 17:27:17 from 71.219.64.200

Some days are like that, this is true! But you finished and that is really all that matters in the end!!!

Nice job on the miles this week!! Have a great next week, get some rest.

I just got the book you suggested and started reading it. THANKS for the suggestion!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 19:21:55 from 24.8.167.243

You consistently get the miles in, even on a not so great day. You're certainly no wimp.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 19:29:54 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks. I meant I'm a wimp for not being able to stay up until 11:30 PM, just ONE night, without an energy crisis and near breakdown...

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 19:34:02 from 67.185.148.81

What??? No run with Mini-Sno?

SWEET MILES last week!

Keep it up, but don't get yourself injured...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.300.000.000.005.30

57F, mostly clear w/ a bit of light fog early, breezy.  Recovery run, last 2.36 w/ SnoFlake.  20 min. strength work after.

I feel pretty good this morning.  I kept my solo run very short to make sure I had the low miles for recovery (adding SnoFlake miles at the end).  I spent most of my solo run working out a problem I have - running is so great for that.  So I was all warmed up and carefree by the time I ran with SnoFlake.  All in all, an easy, pleasant hour of running. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.30
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:43:34 from 198.241.217.15

It sounds like you did exactly the right things this morning!

From SnoFlake on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:55:48 from 24.18.192.33

FOG?! Lucky! I wish it had stayed when I was running with you!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 13:12:02 from 207.225.192.66

Nice recovery run.. all the things you love about running rolled into one run. You can't ask for anything more!

From april27 on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 13:52:31 from 99.188.251.180

I admire your dedication for strength work. For some reason I forget to do it...LOL

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 14:11:35 from 67.182.145.8

Sno! She loves fog, just like you do! Who would have ever thought that loving fog was due to a mutant gene? Just kidding, Snoflake and Sno, but WHERE IS OUR SUMMER? Its not supposed to be over yet.

The sun came out here this morning early for about an hour, then disappeared into who knows where.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 14:39:57 from 24.18.192.33

Aunti- we're in for hot, hot days this week. I will be comforted to know you are enjoying it. :)

April - I will tell you my secret: I watch 15-20 minute segments of movies that SnoFlake either doesn't want to watch or cannot watch due to the rating. I have a little TV w/ dvd player down in the basement, with all my weights, ball, and mat right there. I hate weight training, but I love movies. heehee

From april27 on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:06:40 from 99.188.251.180

OOh I like that idea. I was just listening to the radio...maybe movies would be a bigger motivator! thanks for the tip!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.080.000.000.677.75

60F, clear, really pretty sliver of moon w/ dark side showing prominently.  Objective: leg strength & VO2 (Hill repeats on S.C. hill, approx 15% grade: 6 x 1:00 up, 2:00 recovery).

Garmin results:
(distance/pace)
.11 / 9:14
.11 / 8:54
.11 / 8:58
.11 / 9:12
.12 / 8:37
.11 / 8:47

I observed something during last week's hill repeats, but I think my brain ejected the thought before I could process it: if each repeat is exactly one minute, and the distance covered on nearly all of them is .11 of a mile, then the variation of pace does not make sense.  Not that it really matters. I just think the Garmin data is a bit inaccurate.

By my 4th repeat, I noticed my legs felt kind of shaky going back down the hill.  May it be a harbinger of stronger running.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.75
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From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 14:47:57 from 71.32.84.209

Were you running the hill right down off Fairway?

If so, I applaude you!

That is wicked right there!!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 14:49:59 from 24.18.192.33

Yes. Between Fairway & Fisher, closer to Fairway. I'm tired!! Thanks, Jeff!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 14:54:36 from 198.241.174.15

I saw that moon this morning!

I think that the distance measurement is just not as precise as the pace measurement, especially for a short distance. At least that's my rationalization for the pace differences on my hill sprints.

I have no doubt that SC is making you stronger.

From JD on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 14:55:02 from 64.65.159.206

Good workout. If you're out early enough to see the dark side of the moon, you're out early enough!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 15:09:57 from 71.32.84.209

That particular stretch from the golf course access road up to Fairway I call thigh-buster hill.

From auntieem on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:20:31 from 67.182.145.8

Nice hills, Sno! I think the accuracy of the Garmin increases as the distance increases. For short bursts, like .10 of a mile, it is less likely to be accurate for the same reason it fails on switchbacking hill routes - it just misses some crucial data. Besides, your times are based on mile pace, and if you divide those out to be the actual number of seconds each interval takes you, the differences would be very tiny. And, they are in roughly descending order, which is kind of to be expected. At least that is the way mine are anyway.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 19:12:45 from 24.18.192.33

Thx Carolyn and A-Em-- So do you think the pace info is more accurate than the distance? Or is it all approx. at such a short distance?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:53:44 from 24.8.167.243

I think the pace calculation is a function of distance and time, so I suppose the pace is no more accurate than the distance. I do, however, thing it's more precise, if that makes any sense. The difference between 9:10 pace and 9:20 pace for example, is less than the difference between 1.1 and 1.2 miles. So in that sense, I think the pace value is more reliable than the distance value, though the accuracy is basically the same. Maybe the pace is more accurate if it calculates the pace using a more precise distance measurement than it shows us. I'm thinking out loud now.

From Dale on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:51:33 from 69.10.215.11

Unfortunately over that distance, the noise in your GPS accuracy is pretty heavily affecting your pace and even your distance. At rest, the best accuracy I can recall my watch advertising was 21', which is more than enough to throw off pace calculations over the ~600' you're running in 1 minute.

Let this be another lesson to us number crunchers. Just focus on the workout and it's purpose....increasing strength and power. I'd say the shaky legs are a sign you did that :). Good job!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.660.000.000.0010.66

64F & clear. Slow & easy.  8.26 solo, 2.4 run/walk w/ daughter. 15 min abs & upper body.

I ran with the stars and the sun today.  That's a rare advantage of being a slow runner, and today was especially slow.  The legs are tired and it took me a long time to warm up.  I take that as a good sign of yesterday's effective work.   Busy day...  cheers.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 10.66
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From auntieem on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:34:24 from 67.182.145.8

How lovely to be out at the transition of stars to sun. I missed the stars I'm afraid, as I was still knitting then, but it was beautiful to watch the sun rise during the run. I think your tired legs are a good sign indeed!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:58:56 from 198.241.217.15

I'm starting my runs in the dark these days and finishing them when it's light, but I don't really see the sun. It's not quite up when I finish.

I think the tired legs are definately a good sign.

Auntieem, you knit in the morning before you run?

From JD on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:43:50 from 64.65.159.206

Nice to get 10+ miles in a mid-week run.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:55:30 from 24.18.192.33

I'm torn between loving the chance to have extra running and feeling like it's "cheating" because SnoFlake and I walk a lot.

From JD on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 15:20:14 from 64.65.159.206

You're still covering the distance, maybe at a slower pace. If you walked some in a marathon, you would still log the distance run as 26.2 miles, right?

From auntieem on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 17:53:17 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, Carolyn, I knit before I run, usually, unless I have to be at the track really early. Its kind of my early morning meditation.

Sno, All those "cheating" miles will so pay off for you and SnoFlake.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.130.000.000.009.13

70F at 4:50 AM! And humid.  Yuck.  But I felt much, much better running in it than I did a couple of months ago.  Easy run, w/ pretty good energy considering I was on my feet all day yesterday.  (Also did 15 min. strength work after run.)

Tomorrow is a tempo run, and it is to be both longer and faster than any tempo run I've ever tried before. (One of Coach Sean's workouts.) I must admit I'm a little nervous.  What if I run at what feels like a tempo pace (8:30) and  I look down at the Garmin to read "9:45?" (Or slower?)  I certainly felt like I was working at a 10:30 pace this morning, but it was more like 11:15 when I checked.  I'm also worried that I won't be able to sustain it for 4 miles.  I guess I'll just have to do my best and live with it. One thing is for certain, I will be better off with whatever effort I can make than I will without it.  And I have the added benefit of the 8 hours of sleep I plan to get tonight (I get to sleep a little late tomorrow.)

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.13
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:52:46 from 198.241.174.15

I guess the humidity is really holding in the heat over night.

Congratulations on the opportunity to sleep in tomorrow. I'm looking forward to Saturday, where I get to sleep in until 6:30 or maybe even 6:45! The former me never would have called that sleeping in.

Yes, do your best tomorrow and live with it, and you're right that whatever effort you make will benefit you. Don't worry about it.

From auntieem on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:56:09 from 67.182.145.8

You can do it, Sno! Think of it as a 5K with a bonus mile. I wish I could run it with you!

The humidity this morning was nasty, no?

From JD on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:00:22 from 64.65.159.206

Just look at the garmin at each mile split, then adjust your pace accordingly. The real time pace indication is very inaccurate on the garmin, and can be quite discouraging when you feel like you're running a hard effort and you look at the watch and it sais 10:40 when in reality you're running an 8:50. Psychologically it's a real downer for me to see that even though I know it's not correct.

From Dale on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:35:26 from 69.10.215.11

Beware the negative thoughts! They can sabotage you before you even step out the door! BEGONE EVIL THOUGHTS!!!!

You can do it. He wouldn't have assigned the workout if he didn't think you could, and he's got more experience at this running thing than most of us. Coaches don't generally assign more than we're capable of.....generally they hold us back from overreaching so we don't hurt ourselves. You gotta believe you can do it, before and during the run, or you'll be absolutely correct and your mind will shut you down long before your body has had the change to perform! You *can* do it!!!

(Forgive the liberal use of exclamation points and capitalization in this message.....)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:44:12 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks for the pep talk, Dale. I have a lot of stress right now because my mother-in-law is coming tomorrow to stay for about a week. All the stress and doubt seems to go into one giant bucket, no matter what issue it belongs to. I'll remember your words in the morning. :)

From Dale on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 21:02:56 from 69.10.215.11

This probably sounds horrible, but use that to psych yourself up. Just demo your ability to execute a good tempo run and an in-law will be easy to handle. :)

Don't let running become the stressor....it's what helps you dump that stress bucket. I used to *dread* tempos/steady state runs, and it showed....sometimes they'd go well but more often than not I'd struggle mightly. I finally flushed my bad attitude and tried my best to go into each feeling like they would be achievable....not easy, but certainly doable. It helped quite a bit, which isn't to say I never tanked another, but usually there was a good reason instead of the "psyched myself out" reason.

So.....learn from my mistakes. I made plenty for everyone!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 23:25:30 from 24.18.192.33

LOL

I think the pressure comes from knowing there is a number (pace) attached to it. I thought the hill repeats were tough, but the requirement was based on effort, so I viewed it as kind of fun. I think once I've done one of these workouts and take away the fear of the unknown I will feel a lot better. I have tempo runs every other week. Tempo and hill reps one week, intervals the next.

Last bit of whining - I promise. I've been on my feet cleaning and weeding and shopping for two days in a row and my dogs are barking! I can't help but wonder if this is like going dancing the night before a marathon. But it's out of my control. At least I DO get to go to bed early and I might get over 8 hours tonight- woohoo!!

Thanks again!

From Bonnie on Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 23:29:18 from 75.164.103.101

good luck Sno -- remember what you told Auntie ... training is training. No matter what happens (though I am sure you will do great!) it is a baseline yardstick that will you use in the upcoming weeks, months and years to measure your training. My first workouts are always a little rusty ... I will be sending you rays of strength tomorrow (in my sleep).

From april27 on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 09:27:12 from 99.188.251.180

I can't wait to hear how this run goes!

I agree the real time Garmin pace is funky sometimes. I have changed my thingy to show how long I have been doing that particular lap/mile and then my average pace and of course the distance. I ahve found that is a better indicator of how I'm doing. Sometimes the real time one would say I'm going 8:00min pace and I"m like what? I'm barely moving so I would slow up a bit and I would all of a sudden be at 11. Frustrating!

Sorry your MIL is coming to town...I hope she doesn't stress you out too much!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49:56 from 24.18.192.33

Bonnie - I told Auntie that because I learned it from you!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.350.004.000.0010.35

58F, cloudy, a breeze drizzle shower, light wind.  Tempo run: 3E, 4T (goal pace 8:30), remainder E.   Tempo splits: 8:40, 8:37, 8:28, 8:28. 

That was hard. Horribly hard.  I would rather do a 20 miler every other day than this workout, but that won't get me what I want, will it?   So yay for me!  The legs got tired, but the worst was not having enough oxygen.  Is that significant?

After warming up by running over to the Heights and back, I wanted to get this workout done on relatively flat ground. So I ran laps up one side and down the other of Ridge St., between Fairway and Baker.  It's not flat, but it's the pretty close, with a little rise at one end and not more than 1% grade on the rest.

During this time, I didn't look at the Garmin very much, just a few checks to make sure I was below 9:00.  I tried to concentrate on running as fast and efficiently as I could run without breathing faster than 2-2  (steps in, steps out).  I also tried to think about running as fast as I thought I could maintain for half an hour. Nearly the entire time, I thought I wasn't going to make it (ie that I would have to slow down).  When the 4 miles were finally done I almost wanted to cry I was so happy to have done it.  But I also felt completely spent;  I wanted to collapse in a heap by the sidewalk.  I walked for about a minute, then slow-jogged, and finally got back to 10:30ish  miles to finish. 

I really got lucky with the weather today, for my first long tempo run ever.  Yesterday was so hot and muggy.  Between about 5 PM and 8 PM last night the temperature quickly plummeted, the wind kicked up and the clouds rolled in. Hallelujah! 

Well, I'd better go get myself clean and see what last minute housework I can do before my MIL gets here.   Thanks, everyone, for your encouragement yesterday. It helped a lot.  :)

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 10.35
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From Dale on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:00:12 from 69.10.215.11

Hey, congrats! *Knew* you could do it! And your later splits were even faster than the earlier ones! That says you probably got your mind out of the way later on (probably because it was too busy trying to keep running fast!) and let your body just run.

They don't really get much easier so much as you get used to that kind of effort, which makes them easier to do. Plus, now that you've got one done successfully, you won't carry as much mental doubt into the next one, so the toughest one is over! Good job!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:12:57 from 198.241.174.15

Great jog! Way to stick with it and get the job done, and like Dale said, you got faster as you went! And you weren't just below 9:00, you were well below 9:00.

Have fun with your MIL. (Is that possible? With some MILs it is, with some it isn't.)

Keep up the good work!

And it's awesome that SnoFlake got to run with Mr. Sno while you were doing your workout!

From auntieem on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:43:15 from 67.182.145.8

Hooray for you! I knew you would do great; and its your weather. The breathing bit will get easier. I think that it takes our lungs some time to get used to the extra demands.

What's an MIL.

From JD on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:56:58 from 64.65.159.206

Really great workout!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:58:14 from 24.18.192.33

MIL - Mother-in-law

She is a very sweet lady. Very positive and enjoys life. I am sure we'll have fun. It's the getting ready and trying to make the house look good that has been so stressful. My life is far too... um, "interesting" to keep a clean house. How's that for positive thinking? lol

Thanks to all for the happy comments!

From auntieem on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 15:18:54 from 67.182.145.8

Oh, thanks. I have one of those too. Congratulations again on your run; that's more important than a clean house.

From Mark on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 16:50:05 from 24.129.132.74

Awesome job! Those runs can be the hardest but most satisfying once they are over with.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 22:57:34 from 71.32.85.149

Excellent job, especially on a street that really is not flat. Just like running spirit crusher during a long run, the tempo run will build speed and confidence!

Spoil that husband of yours on his bday tomorrow!

Where is Momzie coming in from?

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:48:26 from 24.18.192.33

My MIL is here now, from Phoenix. I was out in the yard pulling a few weeds when she arrived: I, sweating in a t-shirt, she, FREEZING, in a long sleeve shirt. I guess acclimatization goes both ways! lol

From The Howling Commando on Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:12:07 from 72.224.24.41

Really great job on the tempo today, Sno! So consistent and fast! And congrats on your first long tempo ever! :D. You are a super runner!

From april27 on Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:54:41 from 99.188.251.180

Great job!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Day off from running.  We had a short hike up at Mt. Rainier.

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Comments
From Metcalf Running on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 01:04:06 from 97.126.147.83

Wow great picture!! Thanks for sharing it!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 09:41:57 from 24.8.167.243

What a fun outing!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.890.000.000.0019.89

Mid 50s, rising to 60s during run. Mostly cloudy turning mostly sunny. Breezy at times. Objective: endurance run. 

Mon-Sun week total 63.1

I viewed my run today as a sort of extra-long recovery workout.  My legs were stiff and sore from Friday (proof of efficacy, yay), and I let the whole run be easy and slow. 

There are lots of race reports this weekend!  I am so impressed with others' abilities to race well in summertime.  We have some very accomplished runners here, and some very dedicated runners.  I'm leaving a few comments, but mostly reading, lurking and silently admiring; congratulations!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 19.89
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From RAD on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 15:19:22 from 76.27.12.70

nice work! Especially topping out those miles this week...DANG! Thanks for the 'lurking' I had to comment, because so many times I just simply lurk as well :)

From auntieem on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 19:06:09 from 67.182.145.8

Nice recovery miles, Sno!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 19:34:35 from 24.8.167.243

I would say that is extra-extra long for a recovery run. I am continually amazed at your long runs. I scrapped the fall marathon I was thinking of because I didn't feel like I could face 20 mile runs right now. My longest run in the foreseeable future (meaning the next 2 1/2 months) is 16 miles.

From april27 on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 19:48:46 from 99.188.251.180

i love lurking! Great miles in those ST3's!

From JD on Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 22:22:02 from 32.176.182.88

Another good long run. Do you do these with your eyes closed now?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 13:56:07 from 24.18.192.33

If there was a parade for people who have nothing but slow twitch muscles, I would get to ride the float with a tiara on my head.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.620.000.000.005.62

60F, sunny & clear.  Objective: easy & slow. 

My neighborhood has undergone its annual transformation for the Boeing Classic.  (golf tournament)   There are porta-potties everywhere (including 5 on the curb in front of my house), signs, lots of people about, one street that is lined with Cadillac SUVs (for players?) and Famous Daves has set up a Rib-alicious concession stand across the street.  It's all quite amusing, though I suddenly see how unworthy my yard is. 

Legs feel good, though a little tired today, but that may be due to other circumstances.   I do feel those fabulous 9 hours of sleep however.  Mr. Sno is off work while his mom is here, so I get to catch up on sleep a bit. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.62
Comments
From auntieem on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 15:17:43 from 67.182.145.8

Wow! Your neighborhood sounds maybe annoying? How long does his go on? Nice you are getting more sleep.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 15:40:11 from 24.8.167.243

I'm sure your hard is lovely, what with the scything and all.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 16:01:44 from 71.32.85.149

That would be AWESOME if you broke out the scythe and started scything(?) while all the golf fans were walking by...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:14:01 from 24.18.192.33

Oh the scything!! hahahahaha!!! I've already learned my lesson, not to scythe when the golfers are out. You'd think I committed a felony! Non-motorized maintenance offense.

It's only for 7 days, the last 3 of which are the craziest. On the final day of the professional's tournament, we'll have hundreds of strangers in the neighborhood. But they're pretty well behaved if you don't count the cigar butts.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.200.000.000.0010.20

58F, cloudy, breezy, occasional brief drizzle.  Easy run.  20 min. strength workout.

I love this weather, but my run was still as sluggish as if the hot sun were out.  Very slow pace, but I tried not to worry about it.  "It is what it should be, today."  Tomorrow I venture by car down to the high school track and these slow legs better be in a faster mood. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 10.20
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 14:43:29 from 198.241.174.15

I seem to remember a while ago your saying that you wished you could fit a 10 mile run in on a week day, and look, now you're doing it!

Good luck on the track tomorrow. I'm sure you'll do great.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 16:05:33 from 166.205.134.57

Thx, Carolyn, but I'm sort of on vacation so no time constraints. While my MIL is here I can come home anytime I want. But I know I'll get there!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 16:23:26 from 71.32.85.149

You've already logged 35 miles in 3 days this week! WOW!! I'm impressed with your dedication.

What's on the speed agenda tomorrow?

From auntieem on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 18:31:00 from 67.182.145.8

Have fun at the track! You are going to love it, whatever it is.

TRACK WORKOUTS=FUN!!

From JD on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 18:46:01 from 166.216.128.151

Lovin' the miles lately.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 19:47:13 from 24.18.192.33

A-Em, do you promise? ;)

Jeff, I think it's 2 or 3 x 1600 @ 8:00 w/ 4 min rest. This is different - we are totally not in Kansas anymore!

JD - thanks. I can tell it's an increase because of the way I want to lay my head down on the dinner table every night. I'm just so lucky to have these few days of extra sleep, though having a house guest might be counterbalancing the benefits...lol.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 20:00:25 from 71.32.85.149

I still remember that feeling starting speed work when training for my first Half-marathon thinking "I'm going to die!"

You will do great tomorrow!

From auntieem on Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 21:23:59 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, I promise! I remember feeling very sleepy the first few weeks of the intense training. It will pass. Your body just has to learn many new things, and its exhausting!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.050.000.003.007.05

52F, patchy fog. VO2 workout: 3 x 1 mile w/ 4 min. recovery.

Target pace: 8:00, splits: 8:27, 7:51, 8:04

Plenty of room for improvement in the Consistency Dept.!   lol   The first mile felt really stiff and difficult. The second & third felt much smoother but still quite difficult, especially the breathing, much like a 5K. 

In the It's-A-Beautiful-World Dept.,  the patchy fog in the predawn light was absolutely gorgeous. Mt. Si was visible and the cool air smelled wonderful. Then, just as the Garmin signaled the end of my last rep, the sun came up and golden light came all over the track.  I am not making this up! It really did.  Goodness knows my workout didn't deserve this kind of glorious finale, but there it was.   :)

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 7.05
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:20:39 from 198.241.156.7

Great job, Snoqualmie! You did manage to average pretty close to your target pace for the 3 miles. You've got the speed in you when you want it. Even the sun was applauding your accomplishment today!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 13:54:11 from 207.225.192.66

Awesome run Sno!! I think you really did deserve it :)

From JD on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 14:06:07 from 64.65.159.206

A fitting finale to a good workout.

Soon, you'll have to change your blog name to "Speedqualmie".

From auntieem on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 14:19:29 from 67.182.145.8

I knew you would love it! I think you should do some warm up jogging before your faster running, just a mile or so, and also some cool down jogging, up to two miles. It should help the breathing.

And hooray for the sun! We have a beautiful morning here again too, and I had a glorious run at Lake Padden.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 17:58:20 from 24.18.192.33

A-Em, you're so funny! Did I say I loved it? I guess it was fun, but I think I'd have more fun with shorter intervals. Not what I need though.

I did do ~2 miles of w.u. and c.d. - that's where the other 4 miles came from. My breathing problem is just plain old low VO2 max. In my last 5K I gasped the whole way. My air supply is never equal to my leg power. So it's good that I'm doing these gaspy workouts, right?

From auntieem on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 19:56:59 from 67.182.145.8

I struggled with the oxygen in the beginning too. I'm not sure its just VO2 though, since mine was really good before the intense training started. But, whatever it is, I know that it gets better.

I swear you said it was fun!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:15:19 from 97.126.140.120

Doing the longer intervals are better? Maybe I should try 1 mile intervals instead of the Yasso 800's... what are the benefits of longer intervals? Man I feel like such a novice.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:08:56 from 24.18.192.33

Lori- I am just following instructions on these - so I don't know the reasoning either. Sean Sundwall is coaching me for the next couple of months and I see that the intervals will get a bit shorter later. I love not having to work it all out for myself - too much information out there and I always ended up blending too many training programs in fear that I wouldn't do it right.

From april27 on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 21:00:05 from 99.188.251.180

Wow look at those 7's and 8's! No wonder you can fit so many miles in--you are a speed demon!

From Dale on Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 13:01:47 from 69.10.215.11

Hey, great job on your first set of mile repeats. First ones are always tough as the body wakes up.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.800.000.000.009.80

Mid to upper 50s, clear.  Easy runs: 7.46 solo and 2.34 w/ SnoFlake. 

A pleasant run. I am feeling the satisfying soreness of yesterday's workout.  As always, it is a great pleasure to run with my daughter.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.80
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From The Howling Commando on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:34:25 from 72.224.24.41

I'll have to find a photo of a butterfly there. Holy cow mileage this week! Commando points in order for sure! I don't even know if I've ever cracked the 50 barrier! :D. Always fun to run with family. How is SnoFlake doing?!

From JD on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:32:45 from 64.65.159.206

Great mileage this week.

Thanks for the melatonin recommendation Dr. Sno. The last two nights I have slept like a log. I'd heard of melatonin before but always sort of wrote it off as another psychosomatic fix that had no merit. But looking on the web, I saw that it had some real benefits for people. Question: do you use it every night? Long term short term?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 13:15:04 from 24.18.192.33

HC - SnoFlake is having fun. She is a very thin person and is working on building up some leg muscles. I asked her today whether, when we take a walk break, it is the legs or the lungs that want it, and she said, "the legs." I love sharing this with her. So few years left!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 13:21:17 from 24.18.192.33

JD - I'm so glad you found it and it helped! You *can* take it every night. I know people who do. When I take it: 1) if I want to fall asleep very quickly, like when I'm not in bed quite as early as I planned, 2) if my sleep patterns have been disrupted by stress and I need to reestablish them, 3) if I "enjoyed" a cup of coffee too late in the day ;) 4) while traveling, especially night before a marathon, and 5) if I'm going to try to go to bed at some ridiculous hour in order to run earlier than usual. (Melatonin + eye mask + ear plugs = ready to roll at 4 AM.) In the end, it turns out to be once or twice a week, but sometimes I go a week or two with none and other times more frequently. I've never noticed any dependence whatsoever. My natural sleep habits are pretty good and I fall asleep within minutes if nothing is really bothering me. Hope that helps! :)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 13:24:51 from 24.18.192.33

p.s. on the melatonin... it may just be me, but I find it works better if I take it with 1 aspirin. Without the aspirin, I tend to sleep like a log ...until about 3 AM, not good. I don't remember how I stumbled upon the aspirin trick, but keep it in mind if you don't get the whole night like you should.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 14:02:38 from 198.241.174.15

Congratulations on a nice run this morning.

Is your MIL still there?

From JD on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 15:30:32 from 64.65.159.206

Thanks Snoqualmie. Interesting about the aspirin. I'm more likely to take Ibuprofen than aspirin. I'll experiment and see what works best. So far so good though!

From leslie peterson on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 18:10:41 from 76.23.61.78

Hello!!! I am just stopping by to check on you! How nice to run with your daughter, how old is she?

Sounds like you are doing well. I just noticed you have done 18 marathons. Last Sat. was my 18th as well. What is next for you on your race calendar?

From auntieem on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 19:44:15 from 67.182.145.8

Hi Sno: Its 87 degrees here today! Didn't expect that. Nice miles to follow up your tough workout yesterday. I like the rhythm of a hard workout, followed by some easy miles.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 20:10:12 from 24.18.192.33

Carolyn - MIL left last night.

Leslie - Hello to you too! My DD is 12. She has a blog too, blog name = SnoFlake. She is a joy. Congrats on your 18th! My next 26.2 is Victoria BC, in October.

A-Em - Totally unacceptable heat and sun, but I am happy for you. lol We should cool a little soon I think.

From leslie peterson on Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 22:16:50 from 76.23.61.78

Victoria is wonderful!! Is this your first time to run there? When is it?

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:18:17 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, my first Victoria. I have long avoided it because I heard it was very hilly. Turns out, these are just "gentle undulations," and that the race scores extremely high on a comparison of Boston Qualifiers. I hope it's true; I'm taking a chance. But gentle "rollers" are actually very good for me in a marathon; they allow the various leg muscle groups to rest a little as the terrain changes. If I am wrong and the hills are awful, I'll still get a really pretty marathon out of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I love sleeping 9 hours. I feel so good today.  :D  But no matter how much I love the sleep, I do always feel a little pitiful when a runner goes by in front of the house and I didn't get to run.  Why can't I have it all??? lol

I am being completely lazy this morning, possibly to make up for how busy I've been.  SnoFlake slept in too, and we are just now (at 9:30 AM) getting "put together."  I did a little internet shopping, cleaned out my email inbox, and am looking forward to having a giant airplane buzz my house.  This is great fun; they do it every year. We have some friends with machine-loving little boys who are stopping by to watch it with us.

The finale of the week-long Boeing Classic is the professionals (older guys) tournament this weekend, and even a non-golf fan like me gets excited to see such good playing. All the residents in Snoqualmie Ridge get 4 free passes so we can go see some pros make the little ball go right into the little hole. It's amazing!

Happy weekend running to all, and best wishes to those racing. I look forward to checking the race reports!

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From Kelli on Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:47:55 from 71.219.64.200

How fun! Enjoy your "lazy" day off an have fun!!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 13:29:14 from 24.8.167.243

You've got a well-deserved rest. And it sounds like there's a lot going on in your neck of the woods. Have a great time.

From auntieem on Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:45:35 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds like a nice day (but one that might drive me crazy if it was happening to me). I am having my "rest" day as well, but I don't feel like resting at all!

Have fun watching the pros golf!

From JD on Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:07:26 from 66.205.204.239

I love mornings like that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.480.000.000.0020.48

Upper 50s rising to low 60s, light showers.  Endurance run & club run + S.C. Hill. 

This was a really fun run. Great weather, since the rain was just very light.  This was the coolest temperature I have had for climbing up the S.C. Hill and it made a big difference.  I ran 10 miles with the Mt. Si Running Club, most of it with a young lady who is training for a half marathon in her near future.  It was fun to have someone to run with for longer than 5 or 6 miles.   

Please ignore the weekly mileage count!  This is why I like to count the week from Monday through Sunday.  Last week I had to wait until Sunday for my long run and this week I did one today.  After a little run tomorrow I should be up around 60.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 20.48
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From JD on Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 15:09:44 from 66.205.204.239

It's hard to ignore a 73 mile week!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 16:11:38 from 24.8.167.243

You still ran 73 miles in one week, even though it includes 2 long runs!

That's great that you had someone to run with for 10 miles. That really does make the time go by faster.

I love how you can have such a positive experience with a 20 mile run. Great job!

BTW, I think you've crushed SC hill.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 18:20:26 from 97.126.140.120

Sounds like a very nice run... always love your positive attitude!

From auntieem on Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 18:50:43 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds nice; you got your favorite weather! It never rained here, but threatened a bit this morning. I agree with Carolyn - you have conquered the hill!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 02:02:52 from 67.185.148.81

Wow! Super impressed by the power mileage... Spirit Crusher is going to force your body to get stronger, I guarantee it!!

Did you meet my buddy John Rex today at the club run? Actually I think you met him after the St. Paddy's day race...anyway he said he ran with the club today.

I did a light jog at the park for about 100 yards today and didn't feel any twinges or pain so I hope to run with you guys on Saturdays soon.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:14:31 from 24.18.192.33

OK, guys, count it if you must. But don't tisk tisk when it works against me, ok? Like when the long runs fall on Sat. then Sun. and it looks like I only ran 40! lol

Jeff- Yes, I saw your friend Jon. It would be great if you run with us when you can. I'll bet you miss it!

From Kelli on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 15:30:16 from 71.219.64.200

Nice job, and I am glad you had some good weather and company! have a great upcoming week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.040.000.000.007.04

High 50s, low 60s, light fog clearing to bright sun.  Easy run, w/ 1.4 in VFFs and .96 barefoot at end of run. 

I got the last 20 minutes of fog this morning, but it was worth missing out to sleep late. 

As I came home and switched into my Vibram Five Fingers, I wondered if I had lost all the foot toughening I had gained earlier in the month (or was it July?).  But when I decided to run the last mile barefoot I found it was just as easy as it had been (and when I stepped on a rock, just as hard).  So perhaps I can do a bit more barefooting before summer ends. The VFFs are great, except that my little toes don't like the pockets.  I'm not sure they ever will. True barefoot running can't be beat.

Mon - Sun mileage total: 60.19


Triax 12 II Miles: 4.68BF Miles: 0.96Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 1.40
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From allie on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 16:41:14 from 67.177.43.41

i have the same problem with the VFFs...everything feels great except for the little toes. nice job on the barefoot running. and yet another great week overall. nice work!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 18:05:17 from 24.8.167.243

You are one tough cookie!

From auntieem on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 19:34:41 from 67.182.145.8

Very nice run! I just picture you with all your shoe choices lined up and running a little in these ones, a little in those ones....

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 23:27:53 from 97.126.140.120

Nice run... and great mileage! I wonder if I will ever be able to get that many mile done in a week.

From april27 on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 09:28:24 from 99.188.251.180

Aunt--that is a pretty funny picture. Really Sno where do you keep all your shoes?

From JD on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:39:00 from 64.65.159.206

Great job keeping up the mileage and variety in your running routine.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.260.000.000.007.26

58F, clear skies.  Objective - easy & slow. 

I got a late start and felt rather stiff and slow today, so I actually had to run the last couple of miles on my dreadmill.  Mitigation: watching a bit of Race for the Soul.  That's a great movie; I highly recommend it.  I don't believe I'll ever be an ultra runner because of my fear of being alone on trails, but I get a lot out of seeing other runners take on the challenge.  So many barriers we face are just in our minds.

On Old Shoes....   I noticed this morning that I have accumulated an unusually large pile of old running shoes.  I was retiring my old Triax 12's and as I opened the cupboard where such shoes live, it struck me that the thing is actually overflowing. 

What on earth am I keeping them for?  I do think there is a good chance of a coming depression, with hyperinflation, but in such a scenario, would I need so many old running shoes?  Would I trade them for produce on the black market?  ("...and these babies have only 450 miles on them, so how 'bout you throw in an extra tomato?") 

I used to send old shoes to Tanzania through an organization called "Shoe4Africa," but my current view of heavy running shoes now makes that an act of international hostility. 

And why oh why is it so hard to just pitch them into the donation box?  I know the Nike store near me takes shoes and grinds them up to recycle the material, but there is something very horror-flick about that.... Just grind them up? Like they have no feelings?!? 

(internet face slap) Okay, I'm going to go put at least 2/3 of these into my donation sack. The truck is coming today and I swear I am not going to look back; liberation, here I come.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.26
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:36:58 from 198.241.174.15

Your posts never fail to make me smile and I can use a smile today.

I gave a pair of old running shoes to a coworker who walks in them and loves them. But I've got a couple of other pairs hanging around. I need to go through my closet (and the kids closets) and get a big donation pile ready. I get calls about a truck in the neighborhood quite frequently and if I've got stuff ready to go I say yes, stop. But if I don't have stuff ready, I say no because I have no faith that I'll be ready by the time the truck comes.

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:03:22 from 67.182.145.8

I just wash them then drop them in the Value Village box. I don't like the recycling (grinding up) idea, because the shoes are still too good for that! After we run our 500-700 miles on them, they are still perfectly good shoes, so I just pass them on.

You'll have a whole new closet!

When is your next fun workout?

From SnoFlake on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:05:53 from 24.18.192.33

Race for the Soul is a great movie, I agree. Nice run today. Good luck with the shoes! I hope we don't have to start trading them for produce.;-)

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:51:21 from 207.225.192.66

WOW I feel bad... Aunteem washes them before she donates. I usually just drop them in the donation bucket at the shoe store when I buy new ones. I guess I should start washing them.

From JD on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:14:56 from 64.65.159.206

"Internet face slap"! Hahaha!

My old shoes become dog toys. Though, now we have a dog who can actually eat the shoes and I'm worried all those funky synthetic materials might be unhealthy for her.

I also regret letting go of all the shoe boxes...I just recycle them, but it seems like they should have a higher purpose.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:22:24 from 24.18.192.33

JD - As bad as I am about keeping shoes, I have even more trouble letting go of shoe boxes. So many uses! SnoFlake helps me enforce a limit, don't you SF?

From auntieem on Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 18:41:30 from 67.182.145.8

Ha, Ha. Yes, I wash them, but you have no idea how badly the shoes from our house smell! Its not me, its the kids.

From SnoFlake on Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:59:12 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, I help Snoqualmie keep her shoebox collection under control, and she helps me with my empty tissue box collection. Why I keep empty tissue boxes, I have no idea. They can be useful sometimes -- we have one that holds a large amount of scratch paper, which we use very often.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.980.000.000.669.64

High 50s F, patchy light fog becoming heavy towards end of solo run.  Objective: 1st run = solo w/ VO2 & leg strength (hill repeats), 2nd run = barefoot w/ SnoFlake.

Hill repeats: warmed ~3.5 miles, then went to 15% grade hill and ran 6 x 1 min hard, 2 min recovery.  Garmin data:  All reps covered .11 mile in 8:56, 8:42, 9:07, 9:05, 9:27, 9:15. Cool down: a few more miles, easy.

I'm not sure what to make of my effort today.  I really struggled with the hill repeats and did not perform them as well as I did 2 weeks ago. Maybe I had fresher legs then, or maybe I'm having an "off" day, I don't know. It doesn't really matter; I did my best and I am sure I will get the same benefit. 

After the first 3 reps, I realized that I was not recovering completely, even though I walked almost the entire 2 minutes, panting all the way, so I added another 30 seconds to recovery after reps 3-5.  My understanding of VO2 recoveries (from my Daniels dvd) is that they should be complete.  Even with the extended recovery, I had more and more trouble keeping up my pace at the ends of each rep, falling apart the last 15 seconds or so.  Usually it's just the lungs that give out, but today it was the legs too. 

Fall is on the way.  Same workout as two weeks ago, same time and place -- but 2 weeks ago it was completely light out (though the sun wasn't up yet) and today it was completely dark!  The days will now get shorter very quickly.  Like a car that seems to creep along when far away and then goes whipping past you on a highway, the autumnal equinox this month will bring a sudden and dramatic shift in daylight to these northern latitudes. Thank goodness for headlamps.

I love fall more than any other season and the first of September is always welcome. But to get fog too... great day! And I had a very enjoyable barefoot run w/ SnoFlake as well.  We kept it short, since she is understandably tired from gymnastics last night.

Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 8.07BF Miles: 1.57
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From JD on Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 11:26:00 from 64.65.159.206

Good workout today, and I'm impressed with the barefoot distance!

I was a little surprised this morning when I walked out of my house at 6:00 AM, and it was still dark! It's already that time of year...time flies when your having run!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 11:52:15 from 198.241.174.15

15% grade is tough. I'm impressed with your hill repeats.

I've noticed the increasing darkness as well. I always start my run in the dark, but it's starting to be not so light at the end of my run now.

Congratulations on the fog and on the barefoot running.

From auntieem on Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:33:34 from 67.182.145.8

It sounds like you are just having a tired day. Who knows why those happen, but I agree with you: you just do your best, quiet the negative thoughts, and you DO benefit from it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.330.000.000.0010.33

54F, mostly clear and some patchy light fog.  Easy run, 8.13 solo & 2.3 w/ daughter. 15 min. core & upper body.

Beautiful morning.  My legs feel a bit tired, but I had a fine time.  Scheduled day off tomorrow.  Finally got back to my strength work today.  :)

Brooks ST3 Miles: 10.33
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 13:00:25 from 24.8.167.243

Nice weather. Nice run.

From JD on Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 14:26:49 from 64.65.159.206

More miles! Have a good rest day.

From auntieem on Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 20:00:13 from 67.182.145.8

Enjoy the rest day tomorrow!

From april27 on Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:09:30 from 99.188.251.180

Yeah rest--and glad to here SnoFlake is still running with you!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.380.005.000.008.38

54F, partly cloudy w/ full moon and pink sunrise, 1 brief shower.  Objective: tempo run. Five miles at tempo, target pace 8:30.  Splits: 8:41, 8:35, 8:46, 8:48, 9:03 (last mile was mostly uphill).  20 min. strength work.

I think I have to just accept that I'm not 100% this week. I feel fine, but I'm just moving slower. 

My first mile was going pretty well until the last 2 blocks, when I came within 2 feet of being hit by a car, the driver of which evidently does not believe in stop signs. So I lost 10-15 seconds there by stopping, putting the fear of --- into the driver, and getting back into my pace.    Mile 5, as noted, was mostly uphill, as I realized I was cutting it short getting home and had to leave my almost-flat, .8 mile loop to head back.


Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 8.38
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From JD on Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:30:57 from 64.65.159.206

Hey nice tempo in spite of not being 100%.

Glad you avoided a collision with the car. Situations like that are why I'm no longer allowed to pack heat while running! :-)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:43:33 from 24.8.167.243

Yikes! I'm glad you avoided that car. It sounds like you gave that driver a piece of your mind!

Great tempo run. You seem to be doing some more fast running these days.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:51:01 from 24.18.192.33

Carolyn - Sean is having me alternate weeks: hill reps and tempo one week, intervals the next. Soon I will add MP sections to my long runs too.

Yes, I gave him a piece of my mind. JD- They won't let me pack heat either, for the same reason. lol

From LuzyLew on Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 15:19:15 from 208.187.197.42

I hope some rest and relaxation this weekend is all you'll need to get back to 100%. I swear, we are all out of gas by September. So much changes at the end of Summer. No labor on labor day is my motto.

From april27 on Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 13:33:48 from 99.188.251.180

WEll I hope you scared him so much that he will actually LOOK for runners/walkers and actually heed the traffic signs!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.300.000.000.0013.30

Mid 50s, raining.  Easy run, club run. 

My legs feel dead today.  I'm planning to run 2 medium long runs (today & tomorrow) instead of one longer one + one short,  just to let my body recover a bit more.  The tempo run yesterday is still with me.  :/  Hopefully I can get a bit more sleep tonight. That would help a lot.

The rain did not bother me a bit, I'm happy to report.  The only trouble is that it's still too warm for the jacket I wanted to wear.  I had to choose between being warm and mostly dry or possible being cold (knowing I was to get soaked).  For such a slow run, as I knew it would be, I chose the jacket.   I saw at our club meeting that Sean's sister has a very soft looking BAA Boston Marathon jacket - very good looking.  covet covet covet ...

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 13.30
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 14:46:22 from 24.8.167.243

I'll be interested to see how the two consecutive days of medium long runs works out.

So was the jacket the right choice in retrospect?

From JD on Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 17:14:41 from 166.183.247.246

I like the idea of back to back medium long runs. I wonder if you're feeling the increase in mileage lately. I bet tomorrows run feels better.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 00:29:19 from 24.18.192.33

Carolyn - yes, I'm glad I wore the jacket. I was moving too slowly to get overly hot.

JD - May it be so! (feeling better tomorrow)

From auntieem on Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 10:24:50 from 67.182.145.8

Your tempo run yesterday was great, Sno! You are right about the clothing issues; when its wet these days it is still very warm. Much too warm for jackets and such. I like getting soaked when its like this, but I'm looking for a good vest to wear in the near future.

From april27 on Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 10:45:21 from 99.188.251.180

Speaking of Boston--I just looked up what I would have to do to qualify for Boston. Like an 8:30 mile...yeah okay...and with the mileage I'm at now I would have to run a 6 something pace for a 5K in order to hit that 8:30 goal pace. ....Yeah I think I will wait till I"m 80 to go to Boston. LOL

But if I did go to Boston I would buy all the clothes that I could possibly buy and then wear it all the time! Oh I may do that for my first marathon!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 15:44:04 from 24.18.192.33

April- That is my plan exactly. If/when I make it to Boston, I am going to go nuts in the souvenir clothing shop at the expo. lol

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.500.000.000.008.50

Low 50s, cloudy w/ showers and sunbreaks, then just pouring rain.  Easy run. 

I ran my first few miles with SnoFlake, then took her home and continued on. I enjoyed running some parts of the neighborhood I haven't been to in a long time, where I ran some very steep hills and felt stronger than I used to. Nine hours of sleep = heaven -- my legs feel much better today and I was able to get into a good "easy" pace (10:00-10:30) instead of the slog I had yesterday.  But with good pace comes body heat... I was extremely uncomfortable with my rain jacket in the final couple of miles.  I guess it's better to just get wet once I am warm. 

So I am a little short on my goal miles this week, and I did not have a proper long run, but I am ok with it.  That is the really nice thing about doing lots of long runs - you can miss one without feeling tragic. 

Mon-Sun total 57.41 miles

Lunaracers II Miles: 8.50
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 18:14:09 from 24.8.167.243

Nobody gets too much heaven no more. I'm glad you got some.

Also, it's wonderful that you're feeling stronger on the hills. You are definitely getting stronger.

From april27 on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 09:21:31 from 99.188.251.180

Have you thought about getting a lighter rain jacket? I have a mizuno--it works pretty good..and if i need to be warmer than I put on layers underneath. The only bad thing is I don't have a hood on it...

What jacket do you have again?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 10:43:23 from 24.18.192.33

I have one light jacket (Pearl Izumi), but it has no resistance in a downpour. Might as well just wear extra shirts and avoid the swish swish. Then I also have a medium weight gortex jacket and a heavier cycling jacket. I wish there was a jacket that would keep a person dry, but NOT warm, lol. Fortunately, we don't get much rain in summer. That's a Seattle secret by the way. I could be arrested for telling you. ;)

From april27 on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 23:43:06 from 99.188.251.180

I have a brooks that I love...or maybe it is mizuno...i'm so confused...I got a nike one too but it is too baggy. I know wear it for a regular jacket just out in town.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.190.000.000.008.19

54F, showers, breezy.  Easy run. 

Today I went with a nylon vest instead of the jacket. That worked great for this temperature.  I had some gloves too, which went on and off my hands all throughout the run, usually depending on the wind direction.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.19
Comments
From auntieem on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 14:03:40 from 67.182.145.8

A vest sounds like a good thing. This morning was still t shirt and shorts weather, but soon we'll be needing more. I bought some knee length tights yesterdy, and am looking for the vest!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 14:05:10 from 24.8.167.243

You are the champion of running in the rain.

From JD on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 19:51:09 from 166.183.32.95

Hard to believe we're already facing wardrobe changes again. Time goes by much faster than I'll ever be able to run!

You're off to a good start this week!

From The Howling Commando on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 20:26:36 from 72.224.31.218

Great running in the rain :D. Did you puddle stomp or at least sing a little diddy?!?!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 21:06:31 from 24.18.192.33

I take zen approach... "there is no rain, there is no water..."

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 23:03:38 from 97.126.140.120

Wow already time to pull out the gloves and vest!! Nice run in the rain!

From april27 on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 00:28:39 from 99.188.251.180

I hate cold fingers!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.700.000.000.009.70

High 40sF, mostly clear and starry.  Easy run, plus minimalist-footwear trials on the TM (last 3 miles).  Extra warm up early (see below) and 10 min. core work after.

Super pretty morning.  Venus was so large and bright, I could have sworn I saw the crescent. Then, when the sky got lighter,  I could see all the fields and parks were covered with a layer of mist.  I love that. 

I had some new experiences today.  First, before running I warmed up with 50 calf pumps (barefoot) and 20 step-up/one-leg-squats for each leg on a 10 inch step.  These are exercises I often do after my run, but I'm feeling more and more like I need extra warm up time.  It seemed to work well and I hope to incorporate it into my routine.

After I had to come home, I did 3 more miles on the TM and tried 3 new minimalist footwear options, a mile each.  First was the Mizuno Wave Universe.  I found out about these shoes from a guy in my running club.  His description of the shoes struck me as quite odd and equivocal: "They are a Lifestyle shoe."  Huh?  Anyway, I would say this is a great shoe for anyone who wants to be barefoot but not attract any attention or comments.  There is just very little shoe at all.  They remind me of the leather slipper-like footwear of pre-WWII runners. They are extremely comfortable, but no support or "stability" and no bounce.  Interestingly, the shoes came with a bunch of tags with dire warnings all over them.  "Experts only.... A performance shoe... Very slippery... low traction..."  The Mizuno legal department is terrified of this shoe. 

Second was the Softstar moccasin.  These are like barefoot only warmer and slightlty padded.  My foot tended to move too far forward in them, leaving me with the urge to stop and scoot  my heel back into place.  Not sure about that.  They will be fine for a minimalist training run when the weather gets colder, if I can solve the heel thing.

Lastly was the Sockwa Aqua-sock.  Someone on a barefoot forum recommended these.  They come in a bunch of cool patterns, and honestly just look adorable. That's about as useful as they are.  I kind of doubt I'll run in them much.  I wore them all day a few weeks ago just for kicking around and I noticed they have no water resistance whatsoever. They also do not protect against little rocks.  They are not particularly warm. So... why not just go barefoot?  I guess if it was cool out -- but not cold -- I might pair them with Smartwool socks in lieu of going barefoot, but only if the streets were dry.  

Triax 12 II Miles: 6.70Softstar Moccasins Miles: 1.00Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 1.00Sockwa Aquasocks Miles: 1.00
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 13:53:47 from 198.241.156.7

You've really been shoe shopping, haven't you.

Thanks for the descriptions of your experiences with all of the different shoes. Inquiring minds are glad to know.

It sounds like you had a beautiful run this morning. Wonderful.

From JD on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 14:53:49 from 64.65.159.206

Good run. Thanks for test driving these shoes. The Mizuno Wave Universe sounds interesting.

From auntieem on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 17:13:29 from 67.182.145.8

Are you getting paid for testing shoes now? Cracks me up to think of you on your treadmill, switching out shoes every mile!

I guess our winter weather is mild enough that we really could go mostly barefoot. I think we'd acclimate pretty quickly. Did you see the article (Runner's World I think) on different surfaces for running?

From april27 on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 18:17:37 from 99.188.251.180

Thanks for putting your thoughts on these shoes! I wondered about the Sockwa's but will not be deterrred. Most of my running is on gravel so that would be pretty painful!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 22:23:56 from 97.126.140.120

Interesting test runs... and some interesting shoes! I'm excited to hear what comes from all this experimenting.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.560.000.000.008.56

Mid to upper 50s, cloudy & breezy.  Easy 5.82 solo, then 2.74 run/walk w/ SnoFlake. 

Nice run. Some really pretty clouds and pink sunrise.  I feel boring today. Nothing interesting to report...

Saucony Fastwitch 3 Miles: 8.56
Comments
From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:50:40 from 67.185.148.81

Nothing interesting huh? Most people would say 8.56 miles was interesting but to you, the Mileage Maven, nothing at all...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 12:03:11 from 198.241.156.7

Yes, it really is saying something that 8.56 miles is old hat to you. Have a fabulous boring day.

From JD on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:41:59 from 64.65.159.206

I got up this morning to run, but then I read your post for today and fell asleep on the couch. Lol!!!!

Some days are like that. At least you got a nice sunrise to go with your 8.56 miles.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 16:23:20 from 24.18.192.33

I bored you into sleep, didn't I?

Yeah, I love my 8.56 miles. There they sit, in the bank, and no one can take them away from me...

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 18:59:19 from 97.126.140.120

Nice Miles!!! Even if you were bored :)

From april27 on Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 21:22:21 from 99.188.251.180

nice miles...and your ran 9 yesterday? i don't know how you do that? One day I want to be bored like you!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:57:14 from 24.18.192.33

I should probably clarify that my run was not boring. I have never found running to be a boring sport, since it's all about the inside of my brain. Somewhat pathetically, I never ceased to be entertained by that. ;) My blog report was the boring part, and - again pathetically - I doubt it would have been any more interesting if I gave more details about said brain... lol

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.290.000.002.487.77

Mid 50s, overcast/cloudy.  Objective: VO2 max and leg speed/strength.  

Warm up: a couple of miles of jogging around town, finishing with 2 track laps of alternating 100m strides w/ 100m jogs.  Interval workout:  4 x 1000 meters w/ 2:30 recovery. Target time 4:54.  Results 4:57, 4:53, 4:52, 5:05. 

I started out with an easy jog from the High School down to Centennial Park and back.  On the track, all was darkness except for a light on at one side and my headlamp, which was quite bright (new batteries). The overall effect was kind of eerie.  There was a horrible smell at the track, something between a skunk and burning plastic.  So not the best conditions, but tolerable. At least no rain falling.

As usual, the intervals were incredibly hard oxygen-wise. I was opening my mouth like a fish trying to get more air.  On the third rep I could feel myself slowing down so I am quite surprised that this was the fastest one.  The fourth one felt like desperately hanging on, so no surprise on the slowdown there.  I just kept telling myself that the effort counts more than actually hitting the goal pace, otherwise I think I would have given up after the 3rd rep.

I did a very brief cool down - legs totally shaking - by the track and drove back up the hill to home.  A couple of easy walk/run miles with SnoFlake were just the ticket to loosen up some more and enjoy a little non-gasping-for-breath running. Hey, this is nice.

Lunaracers II Miles: 7.77
Comments
From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:32:41 from 67.185.148.81

That's what pushing the envelope is! You will see the benefits in your next race guaranteed!!!

I hate running in the dark...

From JD on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:38:10 from 209.183.32.44

Looks like a great workout! With your endurance and the recent speedwork you've been doing...well, I think I'd be pretty nervous if I was competing with you. Luckily, you're clear over there.

Nice way to cooldown too.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:22:18 from 198.241.156.7

The effort definitely counts way more than the actual pace. I think you did a great job of hitting the pace regardless.

I'm actually liking running in the dark.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:32:49 from 24.18.192.33

I didn't mind the dark either. On the track it seemed weird but the headlamp makes all the difference! I'm going to write on the board 100 times: "I will change my headlamp battery regularly..."

From Bonnie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 18:02:34 from 128.196.228.134

wow! that is very nearly my 1000k pace for my workouts Sno. Very interesting training! You ROCK!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 20:44:09 from 24.18.192.33

No way! You better go tell Sean he's working me too hard. (Felt like it.)

From april27 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:37:31 from 99.188.251.180

I think the effort is more important than hitting the pace as well. I"m holding off on intervals. I figure I should probably practice MP and Threshold miles first. Great job! I'm so glad SnoFlake is still running with you!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.100.000.000.007.10

55F, clear with a few light patches of fog.  Recovery run. 

I'm moving like a 90 year old today. I'm all creaky and hobbled --not fun, but satisfying to see I did my work yesterday.  Looking forward to my day off tomorrow.  Long run on Sunday this week.

I hope everyone will understand if I am a little quiet on the blog for a while, starting next week.  Our family will be adding yet another obligation to the homeschooling schedule, an educational co-op where my daughter will be taking 3 classes and meeting some new kids. We are starting it on a trial basis and hoping it will be worth the time.  Her junior apprenticeship program at the horse barn is on temporary hiatus and that will probably start back up next week too.  It just seems like a good time to take a few straws off the camel's back. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.10
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From april27 on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:16:12 from 99.188.251.180

I was thinking about that too...Of all the things one can let go of when life gets a little hectic it is the internet. I just wish college wasn't so internet based--it can be very distracting. Enjoy your day off you deserve it!

Is this 3 classes in addition to the ones you provide for her? or is she only doing the 3? I have a friend who has 9 brothers and sisters. Her mom homeschooled or is still homeschooling them all. She is my HERO!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 13:03:39 from 24.18.192.33

3 additional classes to what she gets at home. Marine Biology, Intro to Chemistry/physics, and Journalism.

I cannot imagine doing this with 10 kids! What a woman!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 14:03:31 from 198.241.217.15

We don't want you to break that camal's back!

From JD on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 14:06:52 from 64.65.159.206

You'll still log your runs won't you? Can we still make silly/serious comments on your blog?

Enjoy your day off tomorrow. You had a very solid week of running this week.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 15:28:47 from 24.18.192.33

Oh yeah. (Practicing my Cryptic.)

From auntieem on Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 15:43:15 from 67.182.145.8

Hang in there camel! Homeschooling is worth it. We never used those coop classes, but we always heard good stuff; the east side ones seemed better.

Your training is working! Good job getting through the miles today; that is tough on tired legs. My mistake was running the "easy" days too hard. I wish I could stop, but its very hard for me.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00


Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.121.960.000.0019.08

Sunny, humid, high 60sF in the shade, Sahara Desert in the sun (felt like it to me).   Endurance run with lots of hills and some MP (9:00-9:15) at end. 

I was assigned to run 2 MP miles before my cool down today, and I had every intention of doing so.  You might even say I did. Sort of. In a mathematical way.  At around mile 15.5 I found myself in the central area of the neighborhood, where there are a few more flat stretches than everywhere else.  As planned, I started the MP part of the run. I wasn't quite through the first mile when I overheated pretty badly (face flushed with heat, head dizzy, and stomach getting ready to be sick).  So I ended up doing cool off breaks all through the rest of the MP run, going as far as I could stand to go, then walk/jogging for about a minute to cool off.  Splits:  .84 @ 9:06, .33 @ 9:15,  .45 @ 9:02, and .34 @ 9:13.  

Somehow I have my doubts that this sort of off-n-on MP running will contribute anything to my fitness, but I can honestly say I did the best I could.

 Weekly summary:
Mon-Sun total miles: 60.4

Mon 8.19 E
Tues  9.7 E
Weds 8.56 E
Thu 7.77 w/ V:   4 x 1000, 2:30 recov b/t: 4:57, 4:53, 4:52, 5:05
Fri 7.1 recov
Sat off
Sun 19.08 w/ 1.96 @ MP in "pieces"


Lunaracers II Miles: 19.08
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 14:56:42 from 75.164.109.117

I hear you Sno, I felt pretty bad today when I did my faster bits too. I usually add about 15-20 secs/mile to my "desired" pace when it is hot - it costs you at least that much, especially after running 17 miles already in the heat. I am not trying to coach you, but you need to work on adjusting your expectations for weather/other factors. It will help with days like this.

You are doing SOOO well with your new training, I am so proud of you!!

From SnoFlake on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 15:06:29 from 24.18.192.33

I was outside this morning with dad and I thought it did feel a little bit too hot to be running. Nice splits, good work!

:-)

From RAD on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 15:19:11 from 76.27.12.70

Great mileage today! Even in the heat and out in the Sahara! :) The on/off miles can't be all wasted, I'm sure they will add to your training. Your doing a great job...keep up the inspiring dedication!

From auntieem on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 17:40:15 from 67.182.145.8

Great run today, Sno! I so admire your long runs. Your MP miles "in pieces" will certainly not hurt you. Your new training plan seems to be going so well; don't let one discouraging day bother you. It is warm today! I know you hate it, but to me it feels like such an unexpected treat this time of year.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 19:12:36 from 24.8.167.243

Your training has really been great lately. You shouldn't worry about the on-off MP today. It's got to better than no MP. You've really got to take the heat into account. Your training is really solid.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 19:17:23 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, everyone. I hope you all are right. I don't feel like I'm getting stronger or faster at all. But I "trust." Maybe I'll be the first human to prove that long miles and speed work make people slower... Just kidding. I need some clouds.

From april27 on Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 19:59:24 from 99.188.251.180

I look at it this way--training runs are for messing up and feeling bad. I hated most of my long runs previous to my last race. Something usually went wrong--didn't sleep well, hot, ate too soon before run etc-- but then my race went awesome!

You are doing so well. I really like that you summed up your week at the end. I may start doing that too. Pluse I like to peak at your training week to try to mimic it for my own training.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.130.000.000.002.13

59F, cloudy.  (ah...) Recovery run.  (20 min strength after.)  Just a short jog to get the blood flowing.  Legs not too happy today.  Saw and chatted with a woman from my running club, Sean's sister.  She is a very fast runner, so it was really nice of her to slow down (and even stop when we reached my house) to talk about marathons, speed work, being tired from training.... all the things that are on my mind right now.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 2.13
Comments
From Dale on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:48:44 from 69.10.215.11

Sooooo much better than the hot one yesterday!

From auntieem on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12:49 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds like the friend from you running club was just what you needed right now! Don't give up; I think you are doing great. I will run my own 3 recovery miles soon (legs still tired!). Going to go REALLY slow.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:57:47 from 24.8.167.243

Smart of you to take a recovery run today. You're fortunately to have fast runners near you that you can talk to and get pointers from. I know there are fast runners where I live because they beat me in races, but I don't know them.

From JD on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:53:55 from 64.65.159.206

Sounds like me last July. I had no experience with fatigue though and I thought it was a permanent condition. Thankfully my energy came back.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 17:38:13 from 71.35.175.52

Sommer is Awesome! Glad you had a chance to chat with her...she beat me in the Newport marathon but I got revenge on her in the Fall City 10K :-)

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 20:25:07 from 24.18.192.33

Re Sommer - I agree. What a nice person. We were talking about the Newport Marathon as a matter of fact. That might be my spring race. Support crew and I LOVE the ocean.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.790.000.000.759.54

57F, mostly clear.  Hill repeats, 5 x 1.5 min up, 3 min recov., on 15+% grade hill

After a long warm up, my legs felt pretty good, but no proof in today's pudding. Very slow.  I may try for a few more miles tonight.

PM- 2.73


Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 2.73Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.81
Comments
From auntieem on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:42:37 from 67.182.145.8

Patience, I think, for the proof. You are getting stronger every second, you just don't see it. I believe when I started these intense workouts, the progress seemed to come in bursts. Like all of a sudden, WOW!, where did THAT come from! I think I'll be in Seattle next Friday (25th), if you want to run together.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:01:25 from 24.8.167.243

That is a seriously steep hill. Was that on SC hill?

You're definitely getting stronger, it's just hard to see it from day to day.

From JD on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 13:31:17 from 64.65.159.206

One day you'll step outside for a run and right into a big vat of proof pudding!

From april27 on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 18:35:50 from 99.188.251.180

haha proof pudding...

From Dale on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 19:04:24 from 69.10.215.11

mmmmmm, pudding.......

Try putting the pudding at the top of the hill......

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 20:30:41 from 24.18.192.33

This is cracking me up. Tapioca is nice.

CofC- yes, SC hill.

A-Em- I'm off on the 25th. But thx!

From Dale on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 20:41:50 from 69.10.215.11

[Drool]Tapioca..........[/Drool]

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.160.000.000.0010.16

60F (with pockets of hotter and cooler air in neighborhood), mostly clear. Easy run.  15 min. core and upper body.

 Another gorgeous moon, waning sliver w/ all the dark side showing.  Autumn is upon us: street light outage patrol has resumed.  I recorded three pole number to report.   Feeling tired today, as usual.

Saucony Fastwitch 3 Miles: 10.16
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 14:33:49 from 207.225.192.66

Even though I did not run this morning... I was up and when I looked at the moon I thought of you out running :)

From JD on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 15:22:55 from 64.65.159.206

Another mid-week 10 miler...what's going on here? Lol!!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 15:28:03 from 24.18.192.33

Getting up at 4 is what's going on. Me no like.

From Kelli on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:23:46 from 71.219.96.151

Isn't that weird when you come across those pockets??? I like the cold ones, but the hot ones are awful!!

Nice job this week. Tired or not, you are doing awesome!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:37:24 from 24.8.167.243

Getting up at 4?! Holy cow. I'm getting up an hour earlier than I did last year and you're still getting up earlier than me. You're my hero. No wonder you're tired. I'm tired too.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 17:58:27 from 71.32.85.36

10 miler midweek means that the plan was written by S. Sundwall. He pretty much is trying to kill you so when you run the marathon it seems really easy...

From april27 on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 22:07:48 from 99.188.251.180

EWWW 4 am...what time do you go to bed? Like 7? jeez

I really need to post that pic I took the other morning when I ran...They turned out really well!

From auntieem on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 22:31:21 from 67.182.145.8

Nice run, Sno. Hang in there! When do you begin to taper for marathon?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 22:21:16 from 24.18.192.33

The mileage distribution is actually my choice, not Sean's. I can't keep this up much longer but I don't have to. Another week or so until taper. It helps when SnoFlake wants to run because I can add extra miles after 6:30 without resorting to the dreadmill.

Thanks for the encouragement, everyone.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.470.005.000.009.47

55F, mostly cloudy, w/ some stars showing, pretty sunrise.  Tempo run: 3 x 15 min w/ 1.5 minute recovery b/t.   Target pace 8:30,  distances/paces: 1.64 @ 9:10, 1.66 @ 9:02, 1.7 @ 8:50 (slightly different terrain on last rep).  (Fun coincidence that it added up to exactly 5 miles at tempo, though it should have been more.)  Finished with a 2.39 miles run/walk w/ SnoFlake.  10 min. core work.

Hard, hard, hard.  (One moan for each rep.)  Last night I was so tired and could not even imagine doing this workout, so I am fairly pleased.  The disappointing pace is what it is, and there is no way it could have been faster.  What could have happened is me blowing off the workout and just having another easy day, or even sleeping in and blowing off the run altogether.  So. Mental check mark.  :)

Lunaracers II Miles: 9.47
Comments
From Dale on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:33:43 from 69.10.215.11

They get easier......well, that's not true. Ah, they get more tolerable...

From JD on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:52:22 from 64.65.159.206

Nice job! It seems like that's half the battle is just getting out and doing this crazy stuff even when we'd rather not.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 14:01:09 from 198.241.174.15

Great job, Snoqualmie!

Your workout was very similar to mine today except you did 3 reps where I did 2 and your recovery interval was shorter. I'm impressed.

From april27 on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 15:28:34 from 99.188.251.180

You are awesome...I was proud of myself last night for the same reason--I wanted to blow off the run...but didn't. I sort of had you in my head saying, "Put the run in the bank" It turned out to be a really good run. And then this morning happened. It was yuck!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 15:53:24 from 207.225.192.66

So proud of you!!! You are so strong in many ways :)

From auntieem on Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 16:06:51 from 67.182.145.8

Nice Work! That's a big bump up in speed, and to sustain it for 15 minutes is tough. I cannot tell you the number of times I have had angst in the night about the morning's workout! Really, its so silly. Whether we lost sleep over it or not, we still just have to get out there and do our best, right?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
23.160.000.000.0023.16

Upper 50s F, and raining. Windy at times. Objectives: endurance w/ hills, club run, and Spirit Crusher Hill (miles 11-13), which I am hereby renaming Leg Builder Hill.  (More positive, but I'm not sure I can ever stop thinking of it as "Spirit Crusher.") 

Ran this in 4:25, including warmup and cooldown.  Totally soaked most of the time, but not uncomfortable until the second half. (Finished up over an hour ago and the skin on my toes is still all wrinkled.)  But I will still take this over heat any day.  

Ran down the Parkway (Leg Builder) to the club meeting and ran about 5 miles on the Snoqualmie Valley Trail with one other woman.  Back up the hill and around some of the neighborhoods, where I met two sisters who are in the club but did not make it to the run.  So I ran with them for a while, which was great fun and a nice distraction. They were going on the Silent Creek Trail, which I never run alone (cougars, bears and bad guys), so I had a little treat there.  

The last 4 miles were not fun, as the rain got harder and my feet and legs were starting to ache.  The rest of the day will be blissful sitting, knitting, and Mexican food with friends for dinner. 

Lunaracers II Miles: 23.16
Comments
From JulieC on Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 17:07:42 from 71.32.227.208

What a run!! It really sounds beautiful even if it is a "spirit crusher" at times. Leg builders are so worth it. Now you can eat guilt-free and relax the weekend out : DDD

From JD on Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 17:26:11 from 166.216.128.151

Your endurance/long runs are absolutely inspiring!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 17:39:04 from 24.8.167.243

I hope your toes are back to normal by now. You continue to amaze me with the distances you run and the way you run in the rain. You are the hard core. I'm glad you had some company and nice diversion during your run. Enjoy your Mexican food!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 17:46:21 from 67.185.148.81

Talk about rain!!! It was absolutely pouring out there!

You get bonus points for sticking it out in that stuff, great job!!

From Dale on Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 18:43:21 from 69.10.215.11

Mmmmmmmmmmm..........mexican.........drool.........

From auntieem on Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 01:33:06 from 67.182.145.8

Yummy, mexican food sounds really good!

I love your new name for the hill!

While we did our track work this morning, we were feeling sorry for the segment of our group who was running 22 in the pouring rain and stiff winds that we had this morning! Congratulations for braving it. It was the first of many wet, wet runs for us, lol.

From april27 on Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:06:57 from 99.188.251.180

great job on your LOOOOONG run! What a treat mexican food and knitting! Sounds like a plan to me!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.000.000.000.003.00

Recovery run on dead legs. 

Week summary: 

 Mon-Sun mileage total: 57.46

Mon 2.13

Tue 9.54 w/ hill repeats, 5 x 1:30 on 15% grade w/ 3 min recov

Wed 10.16

Thu 9.45 w/ tempo run, 3 x 15 min w/ 1:30 recov.

Fri off

Sat 23.16

Sun 3

Brooks ST3 Miles: 3.00
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 22:19:32 from 24.8.167.243

Great mileage as usual. When do you begin your taper?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:49:29 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Carolyn. I'm starting a taper next week. :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.130.000.000.006.13

48F, clear & starry. Another recovery run (legs still stiff and sore from Saturday).  15 min. core & upper body.

Doin' the old-lady shuffle again this morning. For some reason,  my left quad is more sore by far than my right.  I hate to think what that might mean.

I don't know how many people are familiar with Kevin Beck's rather odd website. It is odd but interesting!  Much of the oddness lies in the difficulty of navigating through all that he has to offer.  You cannot see it from the home page, but if you follow the right bread crumbs there is a nice motivational page I'd like to share, here.  

Saucony Fastwitch 3 Miles: 6.13
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:05:55 from 198.241.174.15

I had never heard of Kevin Beck or that website before. Very interesting! I especially liked this quote from the main page:

"The greatest physical determinants are, regardless of your event, an aerobic base developed through years of accumulated mileage and - just as important - consistency (a by-product of resilience, both physical and psycho-emotional). Believe this philosophy, scrawl it on the inside of your eyelids, live it, and regardless of your inherent abilities, you'll look around one day and be pleasantly astonished at your own improvement and achievements."

Thanks for sharing! You always lead me down interesting paths.

I hope that left quad gets happy.

From auntieem on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 13:44:29 from 67.182.145.8

Is your hill canted one way or the other? Quad soreness could also be related to the way you jog DOWN the hill. Do you lead with the left?

Loved the Kevin Beck motivational page. I will read it every day, and add a few of my own. Lately, my body is literally exploding with energy at times. I will remind myself daily that this is called POWER, and will help me run better. Yikes, its getting close.

From JD on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 14:16:38 from 64.65.159.206

Chilly this morning! It was 48 degrees here too. I didn't run in it but when I was outside...I felt it.

I liked Beck's motivational page. I particularly like his attitude about competition and training aggressively.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 14:46:30 from 24.18.192.33

A-Em, I'm not sure about that left leg - I'll have to watch for that. I wish I knew how to get some of your energy. Let me know if you have any secrets. I feel like I'm less fit than ever these days, and trying to keep a positive attitude is hard. My paces are all getting slower and my energy is rock bottom. This morning I tried to figure out a marathon plan for Victoria and I could not honestly write down a pace anywhere near what I had hoped for, or even a PR for that matter. Sorry for the whining. I'm pretty low.

From JD on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 16:59:25 from 64.65.159.206

Sounds like how I felt leading up to the marathon. The taper phase really made a difference and I felt a lot better. I think these higher miles and workouts you've been running are throwing your body (and mind) into adaptation mode. No doubt you're getting stronger!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 17:41:18 from 198.241.174.15

It does sound like you're in need of a taper. You've been working really hard at exactly the time that you should be working hard relative to the date of your marathon.

I wish I could say something to make you feel better.

I think I will recommend a movie, inasmuch as Sukkot is coming up soon. It's an Israeli movie and it's in Hebrew with English subtitles. It's called Ushpizin. It has to do with the Sukkot holiday. You might enjoy it.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 17:45:32 from 24.18.192.33

JD, that is exactly what I need to hear. Please keep telling me that! I mean really, I am about as low as I can be and this is not in my nature. But my pace this morning was around 13:00!!! (moan!) I have never looked forward to a taper before, but I feel like it is my only hope.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 22:25:24 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Carolyn. I'll look into that movie.

From april27 on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:05:55 from 99.188.251.180

Sno--Many I was at avg 11 pace this morning...I walked up most of my usual hills...it was horrid...I just figured I need a race in my sights to train for. (I have a 5K in october...but seriously it will be over in 30 or less minutes) Unfortunately I got nothin...why can't they have xmas races?

Any who I agree I think you need to taper...you will be fine--keep your chin up and just keep running!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.090.000.000.0010.09

65F, clear and very windy.  Easy run, finished on the TM (ran out of time).  15 min. strength and stretching. 

It is nearly 20 degrees warmer this  morning than yesterday, some kind of freak heat wave is moving in.  The patio furniture is blowing all over the place and the house sounds like it does during our winter storms.  

There is a small group of women, some from my running club and some not, who are meeting during the week for some short runs.  I saw them this morning and joined them for a little while.  I couldn't quite keep up and chat at the same time, so I said goodbye after short time.  One of the women is someone I've seen running around the neighborhood for years (she is not in the club) so it was really nice to finally meet her.  She is from Quebec, one of my favorite places on earth.  Maybe when I am feeling a little faster I can join them again and practice my French.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 10.09
Comments
From auntieem on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:14:14 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, warm again! What a crazy fall we're getting. Even I would like it a bit cooler on marathon morning!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:50:06 from 67.185.148.81

You are an absolute Trooper to be up that early. It's spooky out at that time! Are you talking about that skinny red haired lady?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:54:59 from 198.241.174.15

Running in the wind is really tough, and it sounds like you've got quite the wind up there. I hope it blows some warm weather my way. We're freezing here in Denver.

From JD on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 14:34:53 from 64.65.159.206

Sheesh, another 10 miler...you've got some serious volume going lately!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 18:30:03 from 24.18.192.33

Jeff--I never saw a red haired runner. Of course, everything is black and white at that hour. Yesterday there were owls hooting, very spooky indeed.

From Kelli on Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 19:01:25 from 71.219.96.151

It is amazing how that talking can slow you down, but it sure makes the time fly by faster!

That temperature change is freaky. usually wind means cold is coming, or so I thought!!!

Have a good week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.880.000.003.007.88

Freak heat wave continues. 70F at 5 AM. (Yuck.) Windy & overcast.  VO2 interval workout.  3 x 1600m w/ 4 min. recovery.  Target pace = ha ha ha (aka 7:55) Splits: 8:23, 8:11, 8:21.   15 minutes core & upper body strength. 

Unless I can find someone who wants to go to the track with me very early (perhaps someone from my club), my track days might be over for the 8-month dark season.  I had every intention of going today, but after a night of anxiety and very bad dreams, I changed my mind this morning.  I did it once in utter darkness 2 weeks ago, but perhaps the memory of what that was like hindered more than it helped.  The track itself is ok with my headlamp and the bit of streetlight.  The problem is: bathrooms.  I always seem to need one about 15 minutes into my warmup.  

I can either go to the super creepy, bush-surrounded park bathroom a half block away (where neither the outer door nor the stall door locks), or I can jog the half mile down to Centennial Park where the bathrooms are quite nice but surrounded by desolate woods and fields and the nearest inhabitants are the charming trailer park residents a quarter mile away. Not using a bathroom is, unfortunately, not one of my choices. 

It's a long explanation, but it's best to get it out of the way so I can stop thinking about it. I hate speed work but I also love it:  knowing what it is doing for me is enough to make it a friend. Now I just have to hope that Sean and Bonnie and all my other track heroes will forgive me.  ;) 

So, where did I do my 1600s?  Well, I thought about going around the Ridge-Kinsey loop (about a mile) where I've been doing my tempo workouts.   Then I remembered Crestview Loop, a small, circular development in a remote part of my neighborhood.  During my warmup I measured the loop at .4 of a mile.  It is almost flat, certainly flatter than the tempo run loop.  There are no stoplights or intersections, and during my entire workout I only encountered one car, easily avoided.  So that's my new "track" until the world gets lighter next spring -- unless of course I can find a track buddy.  "Hey! Who's up for driving down the hill at 4:50 AM? It'll be fun!"

Now, about my workout.  First rep: didn't quite feel warmed up, despite doing some strides at the end of my jog warm-up.  Second rep: started to feel more powerful, form felt good, split reflects better running. Third rep: falling apart now but holding on.  Still better than rep #1.  Legs feeling as miserable as the lungs - that's a first!   Overall performance... A for effort, P for pathetic pace, T for "taper is coming - it's going to be ok."

SnoFlake isn't feeling well so I sent her back to bed instead of running.  I am sure she'll be fit to come out again soon.  It's just as well she didn't have to run in this miserable heat.  

Lunaracers II Miles: 7.88
Comments
From JD on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:10:53 from 70.96.78.157

Nice pace on the splits. 1600m is a mile?

If I lived in your neighborhood I would gladly do track workouts with you. I need to find someone near me to help motivate me to run early mornings this Winter.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:23:00 from 24.18.192.33

And be my body guard outside the bathroom? You're a pal!! Wish it could be so.

From auntieem on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 13:09:48 from 67.182.145.8

I would also do the early track workouts with you! I can actually fight of anything. And, I will really miss my track group when the marathon is over. The others in my group want to continue to run together, but I seem to be the only one who is in love with track.

Nice job on the 1600s. That is a workout that I always dread/anticipate.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 13:30:15 from 198.241.156.7

70 degrees at 5AM is awfully warm. What kind of high temperatures are you getting up to during the day?

I too would be more than happy to run your track workouts with you early in the morning. You should come live in my neighborhood (though I'm sure it's not nearly as nice as yours). My house is about 1/4 mile from the middle school track and not much further from the high school track.

I'm considering doing my interval workout on the track tomorrow morning since I had such a problem with the hills when doing a similar workout last week. It'll be in the darky dark darkness.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 14:50:52 from 207.225.192.66

I wonder if your warm front will be heading my way? I don't want it... I love the weather here lately, in fact I woudl like it just a bit cooler.

Hope that Snoflake gets feeling better.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 15:17:03 from 24.18.192.33

Yesterday we got up to the high 80s. Supposed to be the same today. Not normal!

From auntieem on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 17:41:46 from 67.182.145.8

No, its definitely not normal. We are at 80 something right now (although our early mornings have been cooler than yours). The newspaper today said we are going to have a dry, warm Fall!

From Dale on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 18:46:45 from 69.10.215.11

I think you can skip the track and just run them on your measured route. I personally lump the track into the same category as treadmill (well, nearly the same category, but I guess not quite that bad). Just call 'em Fartleks and run them wherever you like. We are *road* racers, right?

Accounting for the impact of these unusual temps, those are some really solid splits. Nice work.

Regarding the first one being harder/slower....I read something about warmups needing to be longer than just strides for races, simply because it takes a while for your body to adjust to running hard and get into the groove. I think this applies to repeats like this too. I've taken to running at least 1/2 mile at a tempo effort before races, and it always feels way too hard and is way too slow. Then the race comes and a faster pace feels much easier. Same thing with the repeats, I think. That first step is a doozy.

From Bonnie on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 20:34:23 from 128.196.228.134

You did GREAT Sno!

I think finding a 800/mile route is a great way to do a workout ... the track is easier (since it is flat and you get consistently correct splits) - doing them on the road is much closer to racing on the road!

I always warm up for 20-25 mins + 3/4 laps of strides before doing anything fast. I have taken Jack Daniels advice for pre-race warm-up: unless it is a marathon, I run about 1-2 miles easy with the last 1/2 mile or so hard ... not sprinting but about 85% effort. I feel pretty warmed up by the time the race starts ... and by running for about 4 mins at a fairly hard effort I am less likely to go out too fast.

From april27 on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 21:25:23 from 99.188.251.180

Great job of racing in 70 degrees! ewwww

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:19:10 from 24.18.192.33

Thank you Dale and Bonnie! Such good info and encouragement! I like those warm up suggestions. I have been doing 2 miles w/ strides at the end, but I agree that a solid half mile of fairly hard running might be more useful. No warmup for 26.2 however. I always feel like I must save the legs. I do massage them though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.560.000.000.009.56

Mid 50s, clear w/ clouds moving in.  Easy pace run. 

So nice to have the cool air back.  Legs tired, pace slow.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 9.56
Comments
From JD on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:17:40 from 70.96.78.157

Lots of miles! Are you tapering next week? Marathon's on the 4th, right?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:20:14 from 24.18.192.33

Taper starts next week. Race is the 11th. Tomorrow's a day off, thank goodness.

Before this summer, I could never understand why anyone would plan "cut back" weeks into their schedule, like some plans do one every 3 weeks. Now I know.

From auntieem on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:34:22 from 67.182.145.8

My schedule has "cut back" weeks in it, and I didn't get it at first either. Towards the end of this training, I have really needed them. Hope you get thoroughly rested on your day off, Sno!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 13:36:00 from 198.241.174.15

That's a good distance for a week day. Did you get out earlier this morning or do you have some extra time on the end?

I'm glad you're getting the cooler weather that you like. I, on the other hand, was happy to see the sun for the first time since last Sunday this morning on my way to work (though most of the sky was still full of heavy dark clouds).

From april27 on Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 22:48:41 from 99.188.251.180

nice easy run, me likey

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

9 hours of sleep...mmmmm.  

Day off, but I just want to quickly promote the new issue of Running Times (November).   It's a particularly good one.  Highlights - Lydiard training concepts, Deena's review of her races this year in her own words (favorite quote: "Races are a lot like snowflakes; no two are alike."), and a great review of the Western States 100 race.  I put off reading "The Science of Aging;" those kinds of articles scare me.  Maybe someone else here can preview it for me and let me know if there is anything in it that could be paraphrased as "you are doomed." 

Comments
From Metcalf Running on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:57:53 from 207.225.192.66

Love that sleep!!! Have a wonderful day off... you deserve it :)

I hope when someone reads that article that is not the paraphrase that comes of it... I need it to say, "The best is yet to come" :)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:13:50 from 198.241.217.15

I just ordered Running Times (paid way too much for it) for my son's school fund raiser magazine drive, but it hasn't started coming yet. However, it turns out my local grocery store carries Running Times, so I'll go pick up that issue.

I'll preview that article for you, even though I'm probably already too old.

Have a wonderful rest day.

From auntieem on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:45:31 from 67.182.145.8

Enjoy your day off! I'm having one too, as it turns out. I will send resting vibes your way as I pursue my renewing and restful activities for the day. I'm planning a very gentle spin on the bike to help heal my hamstring.

From JD on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 14:58:58 from 70.96.78.157

Far from doomed. Just think of the alternative - aging without the benefits of regular, rigorous exercise.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 16:44:49 from 24.18.192.33

Yeah, I hear you JD. But by "doomed" I mean all those articles and training philosophies that are really aimed at folks who have a glorious past in running. They have the PRs of their 20s and 30s to look back on. The message is "don't expect so much and don't work too hard." Seeing as how I have become faster every year of my running life (44 to now almost 51), I think it cannot do me anything but harm to read that stuff. I'll find out when to expect less on my own thank you. Attitude - who me?

From JD on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 17:06:54 from 70.96.78.157

I hear ya sista. :-)

From april27 on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 23:34:31 from 99.188.251.180

I like that ..snowflakes

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.002.000.000.0020.00

 

High 40s rising to mid 50s, partly cloudy with some light fog and mists. Very pretty morning. Objectives: endurance; club run in miles 4.3-9.7; Leg Builder Hill in miles 11.7-13.7; MP in miles 17-19.2, adding the .2 because I had to hit 'lap' and walk, twice. So, 2 miles in three "pieces," paces of which were 9:13, 9:18, 9:17. Target was 9:15.  Total running time 3:50, with 14 min walk-run warm up and same cool down. 

Sorry, this is going to be another whiney post.  But the alternative is to say almost nothing, wish everyone a happy weekend, and click "publish." I think on the whole I'd rather share...

A small part of me thinks this is just such an awesome workout because I had that big hill in the middle and still managed to get fairly close to my target pace on the MP miles.  

The other part of me looks at the totally exhausting effort level of the MP miles, the need to walk (twice! sheesh),  the prospect of holding that pace for over 4 hours, and the charley horse I got in my left calf after it was finished... and I just want to cry.  If my taper over the next two weeks doesn't leave me feeling like a million bucks I don't know how I will handle the lack of results after working so hard.  

But now I've done the training I set out to do. I may have fallen short on miles or pace but never on the time I put into my runs, the effort level, or my determination.  At the beginning of August I asked the blog at large for help choosing workouts that would make a 9:00-9:15 pace feel easier, and I followed every detail of the plan that Sean Sundwall gave me.  At this moment, I find myself wishing that a 10:00 pace felt easier! Is it even possible that my marathon fitness could be lower than it was in May? Lower than last December?  Oh please, taper, do your magic!

 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 20.00
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 16:22:39 from 24.8.167.243

I'll cast my lot with the small part of you that thinks that was an awesome workout.

I assume that the Leg Builder Hill won't make an appearance in the middle of your marathon.

Your time, effort level, and determination are without equal. You have done the work that you needed to do. The taper will work magic and you will have an awesome race. Believe it! Be it!

From Bonnie on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 16:23:50 from 128.196.228.134

Sno, you have added a whole new dimension to your training. On the one hand, I expect that you will likely do better this marathon. However, sometimes it takes more than one 'training' cycle to reap big rewards, especially since much of this training incorporated things you had never done before. It is a process ... you might want to think of this upcoming race as a 'fitness marker' to help gauge your expectations. You might go out and just completely obliterate your PR, that would be way cool. However, even if you don't, it is a little early to discount how well you will do if you just stick to it a little while. Handling disappointment is as much of a mark of a champion as winning with ease sometimes.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 17:33:06 from 67.185.148.81

That's going to pay dividends! You just wait...just trust the training.

Also, just doing your best is what counts and whether you get your "goal" or not won't matter if you've done your best...and I think you have.

Is this race in 2 or 3 weeks from now?

From marion on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:08:37 from 71.213.105.213

My two cents says that marathon training makes us crazy ;) It's kinda like when they say not to make any big decisions after a major surgery or a head injury :) You have worked your tail off. There is nothing to do but relax, enjoy your taper and have a blast with the marathon :)

PS- your workout was AWESOME!!! ;) You are a training machine and I want to be you!

From Dale on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:32:00 from 69.10.215.11

Um, are you planning on running a hard VO2Max workout 3 days before your marathon? How about the course, does it include a big lung buster hill? Of *course* it feels harder now than it will marathon day. You haven't had enough time to actually absorb Wednesday's workout, you've still got some decent mileage, and I've yet to run the 20 mile training run that doesn't feel somewhat hard by the end. Sprinkle in some big hills and some faster running at the end and your fun-meter gets pegged pretty quickly. These new workouts have probably brought you to a whole new level of tired....now is the time for the body to absorb.

Bonnie is right, you need to give these new workouts some time. 2 months on a new plan isn't very long and these new workouts your doing will help you not just for this race, but in your next training cycle. Manage your expectations a tad.....

.....but don't manage them too much. Some of my worst workouts have come in the weeks just prior to my best races. Get your taper on (but not too much!) and believe in yourself. We all do!

From Bonnie on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:34:07 from 128.196.228.134

Dale -- your post rocks. That is what I *meant* to say Sno!

From Dale on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:45:02 from 69.10.215.11

Only because I have sooooo been there. I'm sure we all have! :)

From nicole on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:46:36 from 173.135.32.104

In the words of Melanie Oudin's shoes, "Believe"!! in case you don't know, she's a 17 yr old that recently made a HUGE run at the US Open (tennis) despite being a nobody.

You will do great, and the hard work will pay off!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 20:09:05 from 24.18.192.33

THANK YOU - THANK YOU -THANK YOU!! I'm going to read these words over and over.

From april27 on Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 21:47:28 from 99.188.251.180

I second what Bonnie and Dale said...they said it some much more eloquently than I would have...

But I have never run a marathon but I do know that I had some pretty low long runs before my last 1/2...I mean I was taking sometimes 2.5 hours to run 10-11 miles....Which was already over my time from the 1/2 I ran last year. I didn't think I would PR...So I listened to your advice and just had fun and enjoyed the scenery...and remember I PR's by 18 minutes...it would have been 20 had I not peed!

Point is...listen to your advice that you gave me--trust in your training and have fun on race day!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.590.000.000.004.59

50sF, sunny. Recovery run.   

Very slow, easy run.  I let myself walk up most of the really steep hills.  My legs actually did feel a bit better by the end of the run than when I started.  It's like giving them an internal massage.  

Week Summary

Mon   6.13 easy

Tue   10.09 easy

Wed   7.88 w/ VO2: 3 x 1600m

Thu   9.56 easy

Fri   off

Sat   20, w/ 2 mi hill and 2 mi MP

Sun 4.59 recov.

Total for week: 58.25


Triax 12 II Miles: 4.59
Comments
From JD on Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 17:04:26 from 70.96.78.157

That's it! That's what we need, tiny little massage therapists that can work the tight muscles from the inside.

Great week. Looking good for #19!

From april27 on Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 17:14:24 from 99.188.251.180

Great week!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 22:29:20 from 24.8.167.243

Very nice week. Let the taper begin!

An internal massage sounds wonderful.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.210.000.000.005.21

47F, clear, light wind.  Easy, aerobic run.  15 min strength.

Feel-ok sandwich on stiff/tired bread.   That is, the middle of the run felt pretty good, but I was glad to stop.  No power there (11:30-11:50), but at least I experienced some comfortable miles.  My daughter is down with a fever, so I'm being super careful with fluids, rest, and vitamins -- and glad to be tapering. 

Since Rod Dixon will be one of the guest speakers at the expo in Victoria, I was surfing the web to get some background on him.  Found an interesting video in which he narrates the film footage of his 1983 New York City Marathon win.  Enjoy! 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.21
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:19:09 from 24.8.167.243

I hope that SnoFlake gets feeling better and that you're able to avoid the germs.

I should probably go to work instead of watching that video right now. I'll have to catch it later.

From auntieem on Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:29:46 from 67.182.145.8

Best wishes to snoflake! Yuk.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:58:25 from 198.241.159.80

By the way, I went to by Running Times at the grocery store, but they still had the October issue and not the November issue and I think it was the November issue that you commented on. So I'll keep checking periodically and get the November issue when it becomes available.

From JD on Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:21:14 from 70.96.78.157

Nice sandwich analogy.

From april27 on Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 22:29:04 from 99.188.251.180

Man seems like everyone is getting sick early this season! I hope she feels better and I hope you don't catch it!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.600.000.000.304.90

High 40sF, rain showers. Hill repeats: 6 x 30 seconds w/ 1 min. recovery on an 8% hill.  15 min. strength work.  

Sean tells me I may cut back (even more) on some mileage this week as long as I do not abandon the intensity workouts, lest I "lose sharpness."  Bless him, he believes I have sharpness to lose.  I definitely have some dullness I could do without...  But seriously, my legs felt 100% better after the hill repeats than they did before them.  That was a surprise.  

ETA: I think I'll take a day off tomorrow, which means that's it for September.  What a month!  

Lunaracers II Miles: 4.90
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06:55 from 24.8.167.243

Yes, you have had quite a month. And you do have sharpness. How wonderful that the hill repeats made your legs feel better!

From auntieem on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:43:29 from 67.182.145.8

So glad the repeats felt good! I did the intense workouts last week, and one was scheduled for last night as well - just some mile pace 3 minutes. I elected to just run easy miles instead last night, as the resting seems like the way to go.

I believe you have plenty of sharpness, and you are going to use it on Oct. 11.

From JD on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 13:03:19 from 70.96.78.157

That's a good sign about the legs perking up after the hill repeats. You've had a very impressive month. Not just the mileage but the intensity of a lot of those miles.

From april27 on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 14:25:20 from 99.188.251.180

Oh I like the sound of that--getting permission to relax and that your legs felt better after hill sprints! That is awesome!

September has flown by!

From Dale on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:55:59 from 69.10.215.11

HA!!! I love the commentary!

Good sign that you felt stronger after the repeats. When that happens to me, it means my strength is coming around. Usually precedes a drop in easy run pace on the order of 10-20 sec/mile. Sounds like perfect timing!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 23:35:45 from 24.18.192.33

Dale - how I hope that happens to me!!

From Dale on Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 00:55:50 from 69.10.215.11

Maybe this will help. My speedup is usually due to slightly longer strides, not faster turnover. Actually, it almost *feels* like turnover slows a bit but when I time things, the turnover is the same. I have had trouble getting my brain out of my own way when this happens!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:10:38 from 24.18.192.33

Well, that brings up a very interesting question - what specifically does one do to speed up? I am conscious of: slightly faster cadence, lifting my feet higher in back, touching down for less time (imagining hot pavement), leaning forward slightly more than usual, and a slightly more vigorous arm swing.

From Dale on Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:25:39 from 69.10.215.11

For me its focusing on push-off more. Driving through with the stance leg. In speedwork I'll use the slightly faster cadence combined with stronger push-off.

Probably different for everyone though.

From auntieem on Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:56:01 from 67.182.145.8

Speeding up to medium speed seems like same cadence, higher lift, and a little forward lean. Faster speeds I am aware that cadence is faster and probably stride is longer as well, with WAY more forward lean, and some emphasis on the push off. Also, the faster I go, the less relaxed my arms feel; arm swing is more driving.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.190.002.000.008.19

High 40s, cloudy w/ ~10 mph wind.  Solo: easy with 2 tempo miles (8:51, 8:36).  With SnoFlake: 2 miles run/walk.  15 min. abs & stretches. 

Ahhhh-ctober.  Love the cool air and the clouds.  Tempo miles were super hard as always, and the first one way off the target pace of 8:30.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.19
Comments
From SnoFlake on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:25:56 from 24.18.192.33

October is awesome. Great weather for running -- and horseback riding!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:42:58 from 198.241.174.15

Nice tempo run, even if you didn't quite hit your target pace on that first mile.

I had my mp3 player during my run this morning and the song it played as I finished up my run is a song by James Taylor called "October Road." I thought that was appropriate. (Incidentally, right before that, it played a song called "Many the Miles" by Sarah Bareilles.)

Have a great Ahhh-ctober. Here in Colorado we sometimes call it Rocktober (ever since the Rockies were in the playoffs during October a couple of years ago).

Did you ever read that article on aging in the November Running Times? I picked up a copy of that magazine the other day and have read the article, if you want a summary.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:10:57 from 24.18.192.33

I haven't gotten to it yet, no. :)

From auntieem on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:11:59 from 67.182.145.8

NIce tempo miles, Sno. I am a little chilly as I adjust to the sudden coolness, but I know I'll love it next week, once I've got used to it.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:29:35 from 198.241.174.15

So do you want a summary, or would rather just read it yourself?

From JD on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 14:32:25 from 70.96.78.157

Nice run. Great splits on the tempo portion. Autumn is running season, I wish it lasted longer.

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 21:17:27 from 72.224.31.230

Fall is my favorite season of the year. I love running when it's crisp and cool. Nice run!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.580.000.000.003.58

High 40s, raining.  Easy/aerobic run.  20 min. core & stretching.

Not too bad. Dark and wet. Lots of meditating on various mental puzzles.   

Lunaracers II Miles: 3.58
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:47:51 from 24.8.167.243

Mental puzzles are nice to have to keep your mind occupied, as long as they're not problems that you have to solve.

Good job running in the dark and wet this morning. I had dark, but not wet.

From JD on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:48:34 from 70.96.78.157

I love puzzling over puzzles in my mind while running.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:29:11 from 97.126.132.129

Wet and dark do not sound very fun... I had cold 33 and windy. I didn't really dress for it so it was not fun.

From SnoFlake on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:41:16 from 24.18.192.33

Running is good for working out puzzles. Good for you for running in that downpour. Nice miles!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 13:41:08 from 71.37.18.104

That stupid rain woke me up multiple times last night and I'm a little cranky today because of it...You are DIEHARD to run in that stuff. I did see a woman out there wearing a light jacket and shorts running when I left my house this morning at 5:30.

From april27 on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 15:12:42 from 99.188.251.180

I wore too much clothes today...yesterday was 38 so I was prepared for the same--nope it was 55...grrr...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.201.000.000.0012.20

35F, rising to high 40s after sun came up,  mostly clear.  Easy aerobic run (mostly w/ club) with mile 11 at MP on the track. 

HELLO LEGS! Man, am I glad to see you.   11:35, 11:41, 11:45, 11:17, 10:01, 10:02, 10:00, 10:01, 10:14, 10:22, 9:09 (MP on track), 11:05.

 I arrived early at Centennial Park to take a warm up run around the perimeter. On the far side, I saw this herd of elk in the adjacent meadow.  See the little dots in the mist?

IMG_0114

None of my usual pace group attended the club this morning, so I started out with some slower folks to warm up, and we parted ways at about mile 2.  One of the faster pace groups, which had run a different route, came up from behind as I ran on the Snoqualmie Valley Trail, and I had them in my sights for about a mile after that.  

I turned into North Bend to run around some neighborhoods that I like over there. By coincidence, when I returned to the SVT the faster group was returning as well. I said hello and tucked in behind them, thinking that at least I could trail them again for a while and not be totally alone on the trail.  That was mile 5. See that mile 5? See that 10:01?  I was as surprised as anyone that they didn't drop me.  Hm. I am not falling behind. Hm. I am talking to them.  I am running with them.  How curious.

Right in that section of trail, the terrain is heavily wooded and my Garmin never reads pace accurately in there. It will read 16:45 one moment and 7:15 the next, as the satellites try to find me through the trees.  Not knowing the pace I figured, "these guys are really slowing down," and enjoyed their company.  After a little while two of them ran on and one young guy stayed with me.  We ended up running the rest of our miles together, including the mile on the track. What a great running partner he turned out to be.  He has only been running for 1 year but has a great deal of enthusiasm and love for running.  We talked the whole time (except for my MP mile), which makes that pace I logged all the more wonderful to me.  (ie Plenty of oxygen!)

Very best wishes to everyone who is racing this weekend!!  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 12.20
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 13:30:18 from 24.8.167.243

It sounds like you had a lovely run this morning and had some nice people to run with. All in all, sounds like a good experience. Say hello to your legs for me.

From SnoFlake on Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 15:38:20 from 24.18.192.33

OMG that is a really beautiful picture! Is that the meadow where we always see elk on the way home from horseback riding? Nice run!

From JD on Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 18:31:00 from 209.183.32.43

That is a quality run! I love how you sped up after already going 5 miles, and then ran an MP mile at 11. Looking very good!

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 20:14:28 from 97.126.132.129

Nice run... great pictures!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 09:56:18 from 24.18.192.33

SnoFlake, that's the same meadow but from a different angle.

JD, like I said it was a huge surprise to me that I could do that today. Is this the big vat you were telling me about?

Later in the afternoon I was wondering about the two miles that were 10:14 and 10:22 because it felt like we were running really even splits. Then I remembered that on those miles we stopped briefly to cross highways. hehehe

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 11:08:12 from 75.162.136.134

BEAUTIFUL PICTURE!!! WOW.

Nice run, good company, great speed. PERFECT.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.320.000.000.004.32

Chilly, sunny morning.  Objective: Recovery run and 5K chaperone. A little over a mile of warmup jogging before having the honor of accompanying SnoFlake on her first 5K.  I'm sure she'll be posting her report shortly if she hasn't already.  I was so proud of her!  We did have some walk breaks, but FAR fewer than we do in our training runs.  Mr. Sno ran it too, in bare feet and beat us by about 10 minutes.  I never thought I'd see the day we all ran together.  What a wonderful experience!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.32
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From allie on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 15:28:06 from 67.177.43.41

very cool. sounds like a fun family event. how long has mr. sno been barefoot running?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 16:11:31 from 24.8.167.243

What a great family and a great family outing! I'll check out SnoFlakes race report. Will Mr. Sno ever start a blog? It sounds like he's more of a runner than I realized.

From LuzyLew on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 17:02:26 from 69.169.167.157

That is a running accomplishment! The whole family! Thanks for the kind words about my BQ time yesterday. It's such a minor victory to many, but for me, it was a great accomplishment. When I looked over the winners for SGM from yesterday, I noticed one of the winners was from Snoqualme WA and wondered if he was in your area or on the blog. I can't remember who it was now!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 17:50:11 from 24.18.192.33

Allie - Mr. Sno has run barefoot since June. He recently did his longest BF run of 10+ miles. What's really amazing is that he did it in the dark (no chance to see the rocks), and in the rain.

CofC - He has been a TM runner for years. He lets me do the long miles because *someone* has to stay home and be a parent. lol He will not start a blog as far as I know. Lone wolf type.

LL- How cool! I did not know of any Snoqualmie folks going to SGM. It's such a small town to be represented so far away. I love your BQ. It gives me hope.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.671.500.000.004.17

42F, clear, w/ very bright moonlight.  2 miles easy, 1.5 miles MP effort, remainder = cool down.  No more resistance training for now, except for a few crunches this morning.  Stretches and Stick. 

Everything feels fine.  My "hard" mile and half were not terribly fast (mile 3 mostly downhill @ 9:48 and next half mile mostly uphill @10:00)  but I didn't really feel warmed up yet either.  I don't control this getting-old business.  ;)  I only observe, and somewhere between mile 3 and 4 I see that I usually speed up without trying.  That's when I know I'm warmed up. 

I'll try a short tempo run tomorrow, as prescribed by Sean.  Then a short run Thursday and I'm done until Sunday morning's marathon.  I might do a short, easy pool run Friday and/or Saturday.  

I can't wait to see charming Victoria again.  The last time we were there was about 11 years ago for my 40th birthday.  I was about 45 lbs overweight and had to hover over a toddler 80% of my waking life.  I remember on the boat trip over, the captain got on the speakers and announced, "we have a birthday on board....  it is... Mary so-and-so who is 30 years old today!"  Sigh.  It rained all weekend. Sigh.  And I still loved Victoria!  So, this should be a ton of fun.  Extended forecast looks dry -- and now I am only 10 lbs overweight.  For a marathoner that is.    :D

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 4.17
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:58:49 from 24.8.167.243

None of us controls this getting old business and none of us is as young as we used to be.

Victoria looks like a fantastic place to run a marathon. I've been there once, but I was a youth (probably 13 or 14) and I don't remember it well. Have fun in Victoria whatever you do. And have a great race. You'll have plenty of miles to get warmed up!

From Dale on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:00:26 from 69.10.215.11

The most important thing about Victoria is that it's pretty flat!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:09:27 from 24.18.192.33

Dale, have you run Victoria or seen the course? It is supposed to just have "mild undulations," but I worry that the marketing dept. wrote that. Like North Olympic Discovery Mar. is supposed to be "mostly flat" -- Bah!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:13:53 from 207.225.192.66

I visited Victoria when I was a teenager with my family, I still remember how beautiful it was. I hope to someday go back... running there would be fantastic. I getting so jealous :)

I would be great if we could control the aging crap... but at least we are all in it together :)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:59:55 from 67.185.148.81

Ummmm....there is no way you are 10 lbs. overweight! At least not last time I saw you. Good Luck!

From Dale on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 12:58:25 from 69.10.215.11

I have not run Victoria but did visit there a few years ago and researched the race in searching for "flat" candidates when I was looking to break 3 hours last fall. Everything I've heard indicates very small and mostly gentle elevation changes throughout, which I think is better than absolutely flat since that tends to work the exact same muscles throughout instead of spreading the wealth a bit. I'm sure you've seen a profile, but just in case, here's one from the site:

http://www.royalvictoriamarathon.com/pdf/RVMElevation2008.pdf

From JD on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 14:52:38 from 70.96.78.157

Imagine how grim the aging process looks without the running.

#19 looks to be a good one!

From auntieem on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 17:54:13 from 67.182.145.8

Good point, JD!

Sno, you are by no stretch of anyone's imaginatin 10 pounds overweight!

From april27 on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 19:05:23 from 99.188.251.180

yippee # 19....have you picked out your 20th yet? I think that should be a party!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 21:38:40 from 24.18.192.33

Everyone who said I'm not overweight will be receiving cash in the mail shortly. It's not too late for the rest of you, and don't worry about not having ever met me.

April - #20 will probably be Newport OR.

From Dale on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 21:47:53 from 69.10.215.11

No way you're overweight......no way!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 21:59:13 from 24.8.167.243

You are definitely not overweight. You look fabulous!

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 22:14:47 from 97.126.132.129

I have only seen your eyes... but I can tell that you are stunning and definitely not overweight ;)

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 23:47:14 from 67.185.148.81

Good call on Newport! I've got several people lined up for it this next year...

when can I expect the cash to show up? :-)

From auntieem on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:17:29 from 67.182.145.8

No cash necessary, just buy me some ice cream in Victoria.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:11:29 from 24.18.192.33

The checks are in the mail. ;)

"Several people?" Team Snoqualmie! I'll be there unless The Miracle occurs and I am running somewhere else this spring.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:12:23 from 24.18.192.33

A-Em, excellent idea!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 12:03:56 from 198.241.174.15

I'm planning to run whatever marathon you run next Spring, Snoqualmie.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 12:35:57 from 24.18.192.33

Really, Carolyn?? We'd have a great time I'm sure. But you will have a LONG wait at the finish if you want to celebrate afterwards, speedy girl!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 13:09:34 from 198.241.174.15

Yes, really. I'm for either Boston or Newport, OR, whichever one you're going to be at. That's been my plan for a long time.

And I'm all for celebrating afterwards, no matter how long or short I have to wait.

From april27 on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 17:17:29 from 143.43.10.60

I wanna be there!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 22:08:51 from 97.126.132.129

Me too !!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.600.002.000.005.60

45F, partly cloudy. Tempo run: ~2 mi easy;  2 x 1 mi @ tempo w/ 1 min recovery b/t ;  1.5 mi c.d.   Tempo miles: 8:37, 8:32.  (Target 8:30)

The legs whined bitterly about not being warmed up to their liking.  So I'm pleasantly surprised to see the paces on those two tempo miles.  I thought I was quite a bit slower.  The oxygen deficit felt more like a VO2 workout.  And the Garmin pace reading, as you Garminites know, varied widely. I'm sure my true pace varied a lot too, since no part of my neighborhood runs are ever flat, and there are corners to turn and curbs to navigate.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 5.60
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:03:35 from 24.8.167.243

Great job on the tempo run. You got very close to your target pace, especially considering the lack of adequate warm up and the idiosyncrasies of your neighborhood.

I thought you were going to take today off and do the tempo tomorrow. What are you plans for the rest of the week now?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:36:36 from 24.18.192.33

Just a wee jog tomorrow and then I take my usual two day rest. I might have an easy pool run Friday or Saturday.

From auntieem on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:38:13 from 67.182.145.8

Excellent tempo miles!

From SnoFlake on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 12:15:51 from 24.18.192.33

Nice temp miles!!!! Good job, Speedy Snoqualmie!

From nicole on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 13:38:06 from 173.127.82.90

good luck this weekend! Can't wait to read all about it. HAVE FUN!!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 15:40:51 from 207.225.192.66

Sweet run... you are getting much better at these faster paces :)

From JD on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 15:48:06 from 70.96.78.157

Garmanites unite!

You've been running more of those tempo miles lately. The body is more familiar with the pace and requires less effort to get there.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.680.000.000.002.68

Mid 40s F, clear and starry.  Easy, short run.   

Very quiet in the neighborhood this early (4:45ish); I saw only one car.  Managed to scare myself turning my headlamp on someone's Halloween decorations.  lol 

Lunaracers II Miles: 2.68
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:37 from 24.8.167.243

You were sure out bright and early this morning. OK, maybe it wasn't bright. That's pretty funny about you scaring yourself.

My headlamp was fairly useless this morning. I don't know what's wrong with it. It hasn't been that long since I put new batteries in. I guess I'll change the batteries again and see if that helps.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:02:21 from 207.225.192.66

Nice early run! Sorry to hear about the Halloween scare... I'm setting up my witch this weekend. Hope I can scare a few... Bah ha ha (evil laugh)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:05:15 from 166.205.133.84

Just be sure you take out the batteries whenever you have worn it in the rain (to dry out).

From auntieem on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:45:19 from 67.182.145.8

Boo! I've got to go get some pumpkins today!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 14:16:56 from 198.241.174.15

Thanks for the tip. Maybe wetness was the problem, because the headlamp seemed to get increasingly dim over the course of the run. The batteries are drying out now.

From SnoFlake on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 14:59:37 from 24.68.238.83

LOL yes I think I'll wait until after Halloween to go running in the dark.;-) Nice miles.

From JD on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 17:03:23 from 70.96.78.157

Hahaha! That's pretty funny about the Halloween scare. 'Tis the season!

From april27 on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 21:52:31 from 99.188.251.180

I did the same thing!!! Okay I didn't get scared but I was admiring some of the cooler decorations! I can't believe it is October already!

Race: Royal Victoria Marathon (26.2 Miles) 04:21:48
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.200.000.0026.20

Sunshine and low temperatures, and LOTS of hills.  I feel really great about how I ran my race, as confirmed by the intense pain I now have in my legs. ;)   

On Friday, while cruising the expo, I chatted with a few people about the course and attended a talk given by Rod Dixon (amazing runner), during which I became less and less confident about my assessment of the hills.  The following sentence from the website, "The Royal Victoria Marathon is a beautiful, seaside course with lots of mild undulations, but with a maximum elevation change of only 74 feet.," was looking more and more like a marketing department invention, so I signed up for the bus tours.  Marathon bus tours can be depressing and I tend to avoid them.  I am SO glad I took this one.  Hills, hills, hills. Most of them really were quite gentle - though not all! - and I knew they would take a toll.  

While running I counted 5 hills that made me say a bad word, 4 of which had to be run again on the way back to the finish.  But because of the bus tour, I knew what to expect, and adjusted my goals, my effort level and my "state of mind."  I will only say this last thing about the hills - even with all the hill running I do, the hills took their toll... However!  I really could feel the strength from my training.  I passed people on every single hill, even when I slowed down at the end! 

I don't have Garmin mile splits to share, except to say that I was right on target (between 9:00 & 9:20) when I was not climbing a hill, until about mile 18 when things started to hurt. At that point I started clocking 10:00's  and 10:15's.   Before the start, I decided to hit "lap" every time I walked through a water stop (and "lap" again when I started running), and in the last few miles when I had to add some additional walks. So my mile splits will require a lot of math to figure out. But it gives me some data I will be able to use in the future. 

Sorry this is such a disjointed report.  I haven't gone to lunch yet and I keep pausing to chat w/ AuntieEm, who is here in our hotel room.  So fun to see her!  

I had a great time today! The last 5 miles were very difficult and painful (and slow), but I am extremely happy with how I ran today.   This is a gorgeous course, with nice volunteers, and good course support.  The expo was not great, but the speakers were.  I'll come back with splits later if I figure them out...  Off to get food!!  Ouch!  :D

More details about the race…


The course began on one side of the ornate, palace-like Parliament Building, and wound around through downtown Victoria and the "Inner Harbor" waterfront, eventually coming out towards the shores of the Strait of Juan de Fuca. But just before we arrived at the sea, the course made a detour into Beacon Hill Park, which was absolutely beautiful: huge trees, ponds, fountains, statues, and peacocks (though I only saw them on the bus tour).  We ran two loops in the park (picture eye glasses) and came back out to arrive at the shore of the strait around mile 5.  During this section, I did not look at the Garmin at all, a choice about which I am very pleased.  Now I know exactly what an easy, warm up pace is when I am in the excitement of a marathon race day, and running up and down hills: 9:59, 9:54, 9:45, 9:04, 9:29. 


Next, we ran along the water, downhill into a bay, uphill out of the bay onto a sort of headland, and down again into another small bay. Partway into the bay, the course turns inland to the charming town of Oak Bay.  Here we ran a series of long gradual hills, with a shorter steeper hill at the highest point on the course.  I still felt very strong through here, but I took it easy knowing I would see all these hills in reverse on the return trip.  Oak Bay is a really charming residential area with lots of interesting homes and huge oak trees lining the streets.  We came back to the seaside at about 17K; I don't remember what mile that was, but I was trying to do the conversions in my head (the course was marked in kilometers, Canadian you know) to avoid Garmin gazing.  After a while, I just started thinking in kilometers and subtracting every K marker from 42: OK, almost to the halfway point.  I had the pleasure of seeing the elites on their return, with a young Kenyan far into the lead.   I was still only walking at the water stops, and hitting "lap" before and after walking so that I could know my run paces (not all of these are full miles because of the water stops coming in the middle of miles):  9:29, 9:09, 9:26, 9:14, 9:13, 9:13, 9:17. (Not bad considering the hills!)


Emerging back onto the shoreline, we ran up another hill to a headland, and back down to the actual bay of  "Oak Bay," where the course was noticeably flat for a while! Past a lovely marina and parks. Then we ascended again and ran inland a bit, through a neighborhood of $10+ million homes, inland farther to the turnaround, and then retraced our course back towards Oak Bay.  The turnaround came right after the 23K mark; that's about 14.3, but I miscalculated and thought I was at around mile 16.  So when I glanced at the Garmin to get an idea of how I was doing, I became quite confused. About that time, I was also experiencing some dizziness (this has happened to me in marathons before), so  I pulled back just a little and walked, thinking maybe I was in some kind of trouble.  I soon realized my mistake, felt "stable" again, and kept running. I remember playing a game in this section, to see how many trees I could name. They were so beautiful and huge: oak, sycamore, blue spruce, cedar, and madrona were most common.  The non-walking splits for this section were: 9:29, 9:07, 9:20, 9:26, 9:17, 9:12. 


Eventually we had to return inland and retrace our steps back through Oak Bay village, the high point on the course.  By the time I came back out to the shoreline, I had hit mile 18 and my legs were starting to feel rubbery.  I could tell I was slowing down. Dang.  The course does not return through Beacon Hill Park, however, so the last 5K follow the waterfront around the last headland and back around to the Parliament Building and the Inner Harbor.  I am disappointed that I had to add so many short little walks through here, but at least I was still feeling positive and forcing myself not to let things fall apart too much. Keep moving forward!  My mind dwelt on how lucky I am to have discovered a sport I love and to be able to enjoy it even when I am hurting.  At around 40K I thought I might be hallucinating: there were about a dozen 70+ y.o.  ladies in poodle skirts cheering us on.  A couple of unwelcome short inclines near the finish, and I was finally seeing the finish line!  There was my family.  :)  Last eight miles (in pieces): 9:50, 9:30, 9:51, 10:00, 10:15, 10:15, 10:02, 10:22, 10:43, 10:19


I believe that my legs felt worse at the finish than any other marathon I have run, but the comparison may be biased by that trick the brain plays of not letting us remember the worst.  In any case, I was in a great deal of pain and shaking with weakness.  The volunteers were wonderful. My family was wonderful,  And there was AuntieEm - she was wonderful too!  We all sat on the grass for a few minutes; Mr. Sno had to lower and raise me. Ouch, ouch, ouch!  And I do it - for fun! LOL 


Monday morning...  I slept quite poorly last night, since my sore legs and abs screamed at me every time I moved.  Before bed, we spent some time at the hotel pool and I went back and forth between the hot tub and the relatively cold pool. Perhaps that helped a bit, I don't know. 

I feel great about how I ran and how strong I felt most of the race. I am pretty sure I could have stayed closer to (if not on) my marathon pace if the course had been flat or even less hilly.  That's all right.  I have no regrets. This has been a very happy weekend and a great race experience.  

When I think of how awful I felt before my taper, how discouraged and self-deprecating - I am overjoyed about this experience and all I have learned.  I cannot wait to start running and training again.  I am looking at Newport Marathon for June 5, but honestly - must I wait that long to have another marathon? No!  I cannot.  I'll have a look around at my late-winter, early-spring options and see what might fit.  Many, many thanks  to Sean Sundwall, for getting me stronger with that training plan; I will continue to use those workouts as I pursue my goals.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 26.20
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:05:45 from 75.164.104.79

GO EAT lunch! Give hugs to Auntiem, Snoflake and Mr. Sno!

Great job Sno!! I am so proud of you. Sounds like a killer course!

From Bonnie on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:11:01 from 75.164.104.79

by the way -- congrats on marathon #19! wow.

From leslie peterson on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:15:38 from 76.23.61.78

GREAT JOB!!!!! What a beautiful place to run, except for the hills!!! Okay, so this was your 19th marathon? I did my 19th last Sat.!!! That was a fast pace to keep up with all the hills, you are so strong!! So what is next on your calendar?

From Dale on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:49:31 from 69.10.215.11

Hills? Really? Everything I'd heard said it was flat. Guess it's the "Pacific Northwest" version of flat, which means....hills! Hey, at least you were able to validate that hill training you've begun!

Good job. Sounds like things went well with your adjusted expectations. Now we just need to find you a nice flat or downhill marathon to run so you can get your sub-4!

From JD on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 19:02:45 from 209.183.32.43

Congratulations on another well run marathon! It's great that you can feel the strength of your training taking hold.

I'm with Dale - and Utah has lots of flat or downhill marathons to choose from! :-)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 19:58:39 from 24.8.167.243

Great job, Snoqualmie! "Mild undulations" really does sound like market-speak. I'm so glad you took the bus tour and adjusted your plan.

How awesome that you were able to maintain your marathon pace when not going uphill and to feel your training take hold. Another training cycle, and watch out #20!

I hope you had a fantastic lunch. You deserve it.

From allie on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 20:21:58 from 67.177.43.41

great race! way to conquer the hills. it sounds like a beautiful course.

From RAD on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 20:58:51 from 76.27.12.70

WOW! What a great job on what sounds like a tough course. Marathons I've run have only had one or two hills that have made me want to curse...so 5?!? I'm in awe. So glad you've had a good time and hopefully now you're well fed and rested!!

From april27 on Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:55:55 from 99.188.251.180

EWWWW too many hills! But you did great! I would have still been running!

Say hi to SnoFlake, Aunt Em and Mr. Sno!

Oh and why do you say that most marathon tours are torture? I think knowing what you were getting yourself into really helpe dyou plan!

From nicole on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 00:31:19 from 174.144.142.193

Great job!! Way to go!!

From Mark on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:49:06 from 173.168.88.68

Great job Sno! Good solid effort on a tough course. Must have felt great passing people on all those hills, that's when one really feels good about all the training that leads up to the race.

From auntieem on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:13:34 from 67.182.145.8

Whoo Hoo! After just finishing my first, I am truly in awe of your ability to knock out 19 of these slog fests. Also in awe of your ability to actually eat food right after! Congratulations on a happy race.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:28:38 from 24.68.238.83

Thank you, all! I just added more details, mostly for my own records but if anyone if thinking about running this beautiful marathon it will give you more of an idea about the course.

Bonnie- I didn't wear my chili pepper (forgot to bring it) but I thought about it. I'm sure that helped! :)

Dale - Jefferey promises me that Newport is flat.

JD - Utah is for skiing. ;)

April - My normal reaction to a bus tour of the course is: OMG, Do I really have to run this far? It always seems farther on a bus than on foot - weird, but thanks Brain. And I like to "discover" the surroundings as I am running so it sort of spoils the adventure to get a preview.

AuntieEm- I can't imagine what you mean by "slog fest!" lol You sprinter, you!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:37:29 from 24.8.167.243

Thanks for adding more details. I always enjoy reading your race descriptions. 70-year-old ladies in poodle skirts, eh?

If you find another marathon before Newport, will you still do Newport. I am on board for Newport, but if you find something else first, I'll have to see whether it would work for me.

From nicole on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:41:56 from 128.208.244.70

This marathon sounds beautiful! I have never been to Victoria so I definitely need to make the trek. Though marking only in metric, that would drive me crazy! :-) I guess it's nice you get to see a marker way more often?

And make sure to sign up for Newport early, since they only allow 600 or something entrants it always fills up so fast.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:23:17 from 71.35.173.10

OH!!! Are you ever going to LOVE the Newport(I'm secretly happy you didn't BQ so I can see you do it in Newport) marathon!

Don't be doing another marathon (officially) until June!! Save up and just absolutely unleash on that baby!!!(figured you would enjoy the exclamation points)

Can you say FLAT and SEA LEVEL and COOL WEATHER and BEAUTIFUL SCENERY - Yes you can, now - Newport just may become my annual marathon.

After running it I was able to drive most of the way home(same day) without much of any soreness issues.

It really is nice down there!

Remember that it is capped at 800 people so make the commitment and jump on board...

From april27 on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 18:06:05 from 99.188.251.180

Are you going to continue to train with Sean?

From JD on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 19:13:41 from 209.183.32.43

Geez, now I want to do Newport. A cap at 800 sounds nice!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 19:39:03 from 24.68.248.46

Jeff - If I do it right I'll be hobbling.

JD - You need a seaside vacation.

April - I'm sure I will still work w Sean. I see him at club weekly

From auntieem on Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 20:29:22 from 67.182.145.8

JD - yes do Newport. I'm thinking of going.

Did someone say skiing and Utah in the same sentence? I'm raising my hand to get on the bus!

From Sean Sundwall on Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:25:05 from 209.67.107.10

Nice job especially with the pre-race adjustments. Adjusting expectations because of weather or course terrain is one of the hardest things to do because your natural inclination is that you can tough your way through it. So good job resetting expectations.

From Kelli on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 13:28:08 from 71.219.97.106

I love what you said about the hills---although they are hard and they take their toll, you were strong on them and passed people. Just shows you know what you are doing!!! Great job on yet another marathon, glad you had a good time and hope the recovery is going well!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I miss running. A lot. 

However...  it is so nice to: sleep in, miss out on the downpour, see my full collection of Smartwool socks clean and ready in the drawer, not panic at 9 PM if I'm not ready for bed, dream and scheme about hard workouts instead of doing them, and just feel guilt-free about laziness.  

I am going to run again as soon as I can descend stairs with a normal step and without pain. Another 24 hours I hope.  All of you who bounce right back into running (or at least a slow jog) are amazing to me.  

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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:42:30 from 24.8.167.243

I too am enjoying sleeping in and am dreaming about hard workouts to come. Here's hoping that we're both running again soon.

From auntieem on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:34:54 from 67.182.145.8

I hear you. Its hard to not run. My legs feel good, but I'm trying very hard to take the advice of those wiser than me and recover for a week!

I am the self appointed cattle dog of my running group, and have herded and nipped everyone into a group run on Saturday morning, so there is a bright spot just ahead!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:39:22 from 207.225.192.66

Enjoy!!! You deserve a wonderful break. I'm sure you will be running soon, and be even stronger :)

From april27 on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45:35 from 99.188.251.180

How do you go to sleep by 9 if you are in a panic? Just kidding I understand. I try to make it there by 10~

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 14:28:43 from 24.18.192.33

I have The Gift Of Sleep. Give me 5 minutes and a dark, quiet room and I'm gone. And before the taper I was getting so tired that I didn't even need the dark quiet room; head on the dining room table worked just fine. lol

From Bonnie on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 17:57:04 from 24.121.241.253

I am with you Sno, I need days to recover from a hard race ... and during that time I only miss running in an abstract sense - not a physical sense.

I like the dream part ... relish your accomplishment and dream of races to come!

From JD on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 21:54:26 from 209.183.51.62

Your first paragraph expresses perfectly how I feel after a marathon. It's very nice, and well earned!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.850.000.000.001.85

High 50sF, very windy. Clouds are moving in but there were some brilliant constellations still showing.  Objective: test the legs.   20 min. core & upper body. 

The lights are on but nobody's home...  No strength whatsoever in the legs. But no soreness either.  I had a feeling that might be the case, but I had to get out there and try it.  So I dressed for walking (warmer clothes) and just enjoyed the fresh air.  I jogged for little 1 block intervals and walked a lot. 

Triax 12 II Miles: 1.85
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:29:10 from 24.8.167.243

It's nice that you were able to get out and enjoy the outdoors even if the legs weren't quite there. They'll be home soon.

From auntieem on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:35:03 from 67.182.145.8

Talk sternly to those legs! Do not let them have their way on this one. Remember who is in charge! Just kidding. I've been walking also, and looking forward to running tomorrow!

From packmule on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:51:33 from 98.125.247.37

Thanks. I will try to keep up the faith through the winter. Had a nice run today in the wind.

From Metcalf Running on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:14:54 from 207.225.192.66

Good to see that you are out and moving... even if it's slow. I'm sure your legs will return soon, so enjoy the little bit of slow time.

From JD on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:29:34 from 70.96.78.157

You are a marathon recovery guru.

From Dale on Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 20:24:49 from 69.10.215.11

Legs need a vacation now and then too, ya know!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 00:08:52 from 24.18.192.33

I got a postcard from them today. They're in Maui. "Wish you were here..." No word on return date.

From april27 on Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:53:35 from 99.188.251.180

Postcard...ahahah

Great walk/run--enjoy the recovery!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.230.000.000.005.23

53F, light showers. Slow run, walked the steep hills. Recovery continues. Gorgeous fall colors; I wish October lasted longer. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.23
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From JD on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:42:53 from 166.216.128.76

Nice recovery.

Something about the colors this Autumn. Everything seems to be popping a little brighter than the last couple of years. Maybe October will go long this year...

From auntieem on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:50:55 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, hooray for October weather. We have really been blessed this year. Nice recovery Sno.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 13:03:09 from 24.8.167.243

Good job with the recovery.

I remember when you called it Ahhh-ctober at the beginning of the month. Is this your favorite month?

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 14:56:36 from 24.18.192.33

Definitely my favorite.

From The Howling Commando on Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 17:20:06 from 72.224.31.85

Sadly here in NY most of the colors are starting to fade :(. I wish Fall actually lasted 4 months instead of 1 :(

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:05:19 from 207.225.192.66

Nice recovery run... I'm with you October is the best!!

From april27 on Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 19:23:38 from 99.188.251.180

October is my fav month! Nice miles!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.560.000.000.004.56

43F, mostly clear; saw a shooting star.  I'm still tired and slow, but it's nice to have "permission" to run like a beginner for a little while.   Getting up early was hard -- I've been spoiled by the taper and recovery weeks.  That won't be any fun to redevelop. 

I signed up for the Napa Valley Marathon, March 7.  That will give me a tasty little "tide over" before Newport in June, and I'll have the opportunity to visit with my sisters who live in the Bay Area.  Eight months to wait for Newport felt like eight years.  I think I could use a little extra motivation during the winter months, and an opportunity to see how I'm progressing. Besides, they give out awesome stuff: in addition to the cool shirt and medal you get a great duffle bag stuffed with goodies.  Dean Karnazes will be the main speaker at the expo along with several others.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.56
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:37:48 from 24.8.167.243

You are addicted to marathons. I'm not sure I have it in me to do more than one marathon per year. You are just amazing.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:03:22 from 207.225.192.66

Looks like a great marathon. I think Carolyn is right you have a marathon adiction. Is there a 12 step program for it? MA?

From auntieem on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:27:29 from 67.182.145.8

The pictures of that one look beautiful!

From Kelli on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 13:23:27 from 71.219.97.106

That does look like an amazing marathon, I am jealous!!! You will have so much fun.

I admire your ability to run so many marathons. i did two in a year and broke down, and I am still trying to pick up the pieces. You are AMAZING!!!

From JD on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 14:12:08 from 70.96.78.157

Nice running today. You do well planning out your marathon adventures.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:24:06 from 24.18.192.33

I must say, it does feel great to have all my ducks in a row... I believe that for some individuals there might be a pleasure neuron in the brain, which is stimulated by the sight of a race calendar.

January: Nookachamps Half Marathon, March: Napa Marathon, May: Half Mar. in Snoqualmie (new, don't know name), June: Newport. See my ducks?

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:29:34 from 70.56.84.244

The Snoqualmie half is being called the Cinco de Mayo even though it's on the 1st of May. You sure have a full calendar of ducks there... cold but pretty morning today-

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:35:02 from 24.18.192.33

Ah, Cinco de Mayo. Thanks. Then he has registration open for that already?

You coming to the club runs soon? Not that you'd ever be running with the likes of me anyway, with your "easy" 9:00s. It would just be nice to see you there. I see we are moving the time to 7:30 this week.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:47:16 from 70.56.84.244

I've just been going for runs with my buddy Larry Shaw who has been there a few times to run with the group. We've been parking down by the trains and going through old Snoqualmie mostly...I'll get there one of these days...just happy to be out there.

From april27 on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 20:53:14 from 99.188.251.180

I think that is exactly waht I need. a 1/2 somewhere between now and May!

From auntieem on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:38:34 from 67.182.145.8

Thanks for the reminder about the 1/2 in May! Keep me posted; I need another half about then t get ready for Newport, I think. Also would like to repeat the 10K on Mercer Island (I think that was in April). And, of course I'm doing Nookachamps.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.620.000.000.003.62

54F, cloudy. A bit of wind, a few drops of rain. The predicted downpour never came.

Mentally, I am ready to get back to my usual mileage, but my legs are just not back from their holiday.   After a long, sluggish warm up, I started feeling fairly good -- but the stopwatch does not lie.  Sloooooww.  

The Cat Who Must Be Obeyed popped out of my neighbors' shrubbery and nearly tripped me.  I am sure he thought that was great fun, because when the attack did not produce the desired outcome (ie me sprawled across the sidewalk) he proceeded to wind his body around and around my feet when I tried to walk, purring his head off.   I did make it home vertical.  

Ah, there is the sound of heavy rain now.  Well, that was nicely timed for me.  

Lunaracers II Miles: 3.62
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 13:16:30 from 24.8.167.243

That cat really has it in for you.

The legs must be enjoying their holiday too much. They'll pack up and come back home one of these days.

I'm glad you were able to avoid the heavy rain.

From JD on Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 16:44:55 from 70.96.78.157

Nothing like a well timed run.

From auntieem on Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 21:09:25 from 67.182.145.8

I think your legs need a little incentive to come back. Here's what I'd proabably do: buy them something nice to wear if they come back and behave! Some pretty shoes or new skirt or something.

From april27 on Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 21:22:48 from 99.188.251.180

I knew there was a reason that I did not like cats!

From SnoFlake on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:56:07 from 24.18.192.33

Funny cat story! Did he think you were taking him for a walk?

Nice miles, Sno!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:06:19 from 24.18.192.33

You know Danny. He thinks any of us just being outdoors with him is heaven. And it was his favorite temperature outside.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

44F, mostly clear and starry.  Easy run, last mile and a half with SnoFlake.  15 min. strength & stretching. 

All of a sudden, the legs felt very good today.  What a relief; I was beginning to wonder if they'd ever come back.   

Garmin 405 users - have you ever had a problem with the contact points for recharging the watch?  Every now and then I have had to fiddle with mine quite a bit to make it happy.  Evidently, I didn't quite get it right yesterday and was greeted by a blank watch face this morning. So I used an iPhone app called Allsport GPS this morning. Very cool program. Mr. Sno does all his runs with this app.  I loved the elevation and map features. They make my runs look a lot harder than they are. Macho points for me.  ;)  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.00
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From JD on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:16:11 from 70.96.78.157

You're so macho Sno!

My 205 requires extra care to make sure the contact points stick when I attach the watch to the cradle for charging/downloading etc.

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:17:44 from 207.225.192.66

Nice to see that your legs are back. I'm sure they enjoyed their vacation...but you are happy to see them again. Sounds like a cool app on your iphone.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 13:36:35 from 24.8.167.243

Welcome home, legs. You are definitely very macho!

From Dale on Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:44:43 from 69.10.215.11

Yup, I had issues with my last 405 where even thought the charger was sitting on the contacts, it would pretend they weren't. A few months later, it went completely dead and headed back to REI for an exchange. I guess perhaps the moral is, if its nearing the warranty period end, don't assume it's just a fluke!

From Bonnie on Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:50:13 from 128.196.228.134

Hi Sno -- glad you found your "land legs" again!! Welcome back!

Can't help you with the garmin, but cool on the app!! We talked a lot with Greg about apps when we were in Flagstaff (about possible apps that he could do).

From auntieem on Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:05:27 from 67.182.145.8

I knew I needed an I-phone!

Welcome back to your legs. DId you buy them a nice present like I suggested, or were they willing to come back with no bribing?

From april27 on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 00:02:12 from 99.188.251.180

Hello Sno legs!

No probs like that with the 405.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.680.000.000.004.68

42F, mostly cloudy with patchy fog.  Lots of gorgeous fall colors.  Club run.

I had a great time running with MSRC folks along the Snoqualmie Valley Trail.  It is absolutely beautiful this morning, for us cloud/fog lovers.  Such vivid colors.  We had a pretty good turnout for the club run today, so I enjoyed the larger group - good conversation and lots of variety as we constantly changed pairings along the trail.  

One of the runners today was a woman who lives near me and has started organizing some weekday group runs.  (I believe I blogged about running with them briefly a couple of weeks before my marathon.)   I am looking forward to running more often with them when my recovery is complete (they are fast).  On Sundays they do some interesting trail runs around here (Rattlesnake Lake to North Bend, Snoqualmie to Fall City via the Falls, etc.). I'd love to have some buddies to run those trails.

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.68
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From Metcalf Running on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:33:41 from 97.126.141.36

Nice run this morning. It's sounds like you have a great group of runners to be with. I can't wait to hear about some of the trail runs... they sound beautiful!!

From auntieem on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 13:23:22 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds like you are really starting to enjoy your group; the trail running sounds fun! I ran with my marathon training group this morning; we are still getting together every Saturday, even though training is over. I'm trying to talk a couple of people into doing Newport in June, to share the driving.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 17:02:58 from 24.8.167.243

I'm glad you've found people to run with and that you're enjoying it. Am I correct in thinking that you've run by yourself mostly in the past?

From JD on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 20:46:57 from 209.183.51.42

Do these club runners realize that they are running with the person whom the town of Snoqualmie was named after?

From april27 on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:32:54 from 99.188.251.180

would you like to move by me? Looks like we are going to have 6 days of rain this week....but they have been wrong before? right? LOL Great miles--good to hear you will have people to run trails with.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:50:00 from 24.18.192.33

Carolyn - Yes, mostly alone. And in general I prefer going solo. But it's nice to have a bit of company once a week. I especially like having people with whom I can talk about running, local races, running in our weather, etc.

JD - ROFL! ... I try not to flaunt it.

April - Do you have running tights? Tights and a nylon shell (or cycling jacket if it's cold enough) are my secret to rainy running.

From april27 on Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 15:27:25 from 99.188.251.180

Yes I have tights...they have fleece lining so they are a little warm for right now...but I def have a weather jacket!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.060.000.000.005.06

I have to be at home the next couple of mornings (long story), so it's the dreadmill for me. Ug. Do you believe me that I would really rather be out in that pouring rain, doing "real" running? lol 

Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 5.06
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From JD on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:34:33 from 70.96.78.157

Nice run. I know those TM runs are like torture for you, so, really, good job!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:40:24 from 67.185.148.81

You can't seriously want to be out there in this mess can you? Oh man it's ugly and wet but not terribly cold. Book on tape or something like that might help...

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 13:44:45 from 198.241.174.15

I've been following your blog long enough to believe you. Good job putting up wit the dreadmill today.

From auntieem on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 17:55:10 from 67.182.145.8

Sorry, I know you hate the dreadmill, but I have to laugh. I did some barefoot on the treadmill this morning, and found it a nice place for that. Good luck!

From Kelli on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:23:24 from 71.219.97.106

I believe you, YES!!! I can not run more than 3-4 miles on those things!!!

Have a good week, watch some good tv or something while you run.

From Dale on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:28:40 from 69.10.215.11

Could be worse.....it could be really nice outside...

From april27 on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 14:15:02 from 99.188.251.180

You did great--I don't think I could do more than 3 miles on the TM...Unless I was watching a great movie or something to get my mind off of running in place!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:42:37 from 24.8.167.243

Oh where oh where has Snoqualmie gone? Oh where oh where could she be?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:46:57 from 24.18.192.33

Sheesh, I only missed one day!

If you hated the TM as much as I do, and you sneezed twice after waking up, you would err on the cautious side too.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:16:49 from 198.241.217.15

Sorry. Just missing you.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.370.000.000.005.37

Last day on TM.  :)

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.37
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:15:38 from 198.241.217.15

I'm glad to see that you're smiling.

From auntieem on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:31:16 from 67.182.145.8

You survived!

From JD on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 15:08:54 from 70.96.78.157

Hurrah!!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 17:17:15 from 71.35.170.100

Please inform me how you end up with a 5.37 on a treadmill...it doesn't seem possible to do that on a treadmill unless you were running a certain period of time... :-)

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 17:46:31 from 166.205.130.220

I owe it all to my recent lobotomy...

I think it was a little over an hour. I watched part of "Amelie." Tried to concentrate on interpreting without the subtitles. Anything for a distraction.

From Dale on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 18:56:24 from 69.10.215.11

What, no "there I was..." treadmill stories?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:03:03 from 24.18.192.33

c'était répugnant!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.170.000.000.008.17

40F, raining, wind 10-15 mph.  (Smartwool alert.) Easy run.  

So great to be outside again!  I was able to leave the house a little later than usual this morning, so I even got to run in daylight the last 3 miles or so.  This was my longest run since the marathon and everything feels great.  Onward! 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.17
Comments
From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 13:38:18 from 67.185.148.81

Were you running on Douglas at about 7:15? Pretty sure I saw you...nasty weather out there! Good for you to brave it...

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:09:00 from 24.18.192.33

That sounds about right. Black tights, blue jacket? Not too bad out there with the right clothing - not until I stopped running, came inside and got very cold.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 15:06:37 from 24.8.167.243

I am always really cold after I stop running.

Great job today. I'm glad that you're feeling great.

From april27 on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 15:09:59 from 99.188.251.180

I'm sort of glad I get cold when I stop running...it keeps me from walking during a run! LOL Great job and glad you got to go outside today!

From Kelli on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 15:19:08 from 71.219.97.106

I am so glad everything feels great! AND that you made it outside. Man, it is cold already!

From JD on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 17:28:12 from 70.96.78.157

Glad you got away from the treadmill.

I guess compared to all the extreme weather you've run in - rain, wind, and 40 degrees is a holiday.

From auntieem on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 17:38:08 from 74.92.225.222

Miserable day. The only thing that made me happy about the weather was thinking about how much YOU were enjoying it and that you were not on TM anymore.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.200.000.000.004.20

56F, cloudy, wind 15mph w/ gusts. Easy run. 

That's a huge jump in temperature from yesterday, so I was lucky to miss the earlier rain. (Can't wear a jacket at that temp.)   Kept it short due to a busy morning and my plans for a long run tomorrow (first real long run since the marathon). 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.20
Comments
From JD on Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 14:51:16 from 70.96.78.157

Love the warm temps!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:44:09 from 198.241.174.15

That is one my favorite temperatures. Good luck on your long run tomorrow.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 16:58:11 from 65.101.141.240

How far you going tomorrow?

From Dale on Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 18:03:50 from 69.10.215.11

Glad you were smarter than I was. I wore my jacket, pants, & a long sleeved shirt in this. I roasted for 12 miles!

From april27 on Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 23:10:28 from 99.188.251.180

Yeah I wouldn't be able to handle a jacket either. I was super happy I didn't get much cold rain on me this morning...nice and warm!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.062.000.000.0016.06

Low 50sF, mostly cloudy, windy (10-20 mph).  Endurance run + club run.  Late for club = 2 miles at accidental-marathon-pace.  

Seeing as how I haven't been under an 11:00 min. pace since the marathon 3 weeks ago, it's pretty amazing to me that this run was so fast (pretty much 10:30 and under the whole time, except for coming up the Parkway).  

I was late for the club run because I couldn't figure out what the weather was doing and I kept changing my mind about wardrobe.  So I let myself just have 1 mile at 12:00 and then let it rip down the Parkway. Near the bottom, with 2 miles to go until the club meetup spot, I realized I still didn't have time to make it -- hence the 2 marathon pace miles.  

The whole way I was thinking it was pretty stupid of me to spend so much energy that early, but I figured I would accept the consequences happily as long as I could make it through at least 12 miles today.   

At the club run, I paired up with a lady who is much faster than I am, but wanted to run with me anyway.  I sped a little for her, and she slowed down a little for me, and we both had a fine ~6 miles together.  We stayed at about a 10:15 pace, which is faster than what I've been doing the past 3 weeks, and it felt great. 

Heading back up the Parkway (The Leg Builder, formerly known as The Spirit Crusher) is when I really paid for my somewhat reckless behavior,  and I had to walk the steepest parts. 

For all my changes of clothing, I still was not dressed quite right. But other than that it was a fantastic run.  My legs feel great and the autumnal world is very beautiful right now.  I sure do love running.  And hey, I'm having a birthday soon.  I won't say when, because I don't care to post my date of birth on the internet. But within a short time I will be 51 years old - and I'm a runner! Ha! 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 16.06
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 16:33:43 from 24.8.167.243

Well Happy Birthday whenever it is. You are an awesome runner. And way to go on the MP miles today. I suspect that you can often do a little more than you think you can. I'm glad you had someone to run with today.

From JD on Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 18:14:06 from 209.183.51.44

What a great run. Thanks for the inspiration.

Oh, and happy ambiguous birthday to you!

From auntieem on Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 18:48:38 from 67.182.145.8

Stellar run! I don't think you were reckless at all. Sounds fun! You are certainly back in your groove now. 51 is great; I'm sure you'll love it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

Low 40s F, sunny, wind 5-10 mph.  Recovery run. 

Legs are a little sore, in a nice way. 

It's great to be back on "real" time instead of that odious, absurd, irritating, illogical (for my latitude), loathsome, despicable daylight savings time. Not that I am bitter.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 5.00
Comments
From Dale on Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 17:02:44 from 69.10.215.11

Wow. Sometime you'll have to let us know how you really feel about daylight savings time. Hey, and it's sunny today. A two-fer!

From JD on Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:05:15 from 209.183.32.47

The weather has certainly turned around again hasn't it? Daylight savings time is just silly.

From auntieem on Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:51:26 from 67.182.145.8

Oh, did the time change?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 19:21:11 from 24.8.167.243

I was so happy that it was light here this morning at 6:30. Happy Birthday, just in case today is your birthday.

From april27 on Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:13:28 from 99.188.251.180

Yeah I was so happy it was light out at 6:30! So nice!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.310.000.000.004.31

49F, breezy (5-15 mph) w/ pretty stratocumulus clouds.  Easy run. 20 min. strength.

Did you know there is a website for Cloud Appreciation Society?  What an incredible world. I stumbled across it while trying to find the name for these clouds that were out today. 

IMG_0205 

How to hate the time change, even though I prefer fall back to spring forward. It shouldn't be that difficult. Set each clock back one hour. However...  You see, we have this grandfather clock that stops chiming at night. (Very handy.)  When I set it back yesterday, the little bolt that holds the hands on must have fallen off, because it was still at 9:30 AM when it was mid-afternoon.  I found the bolt, found the problem, and moved the hands forward to the correct time.  (Insert smack on forehead here.)  Just because the hands weren't tracking due to a missing bolt doesn't mean the clock wasn't keeping time.  So as I moved the hands to their "proper" place I was actually setting the clock several hours forward.  At about 3 AM, the clock thought it was morning and... started chiming! 

Out of bed I go to turn off the chime, not really knowing why it is chiming in the middle of the night. Then I lay there trying to get back to sleep and wondering why why why...  Round 2.  Background: I gave Mr. Sno a very snazzy alarm clock for xmas a couple of years ago, thinking he would enjoy this cool high tech thing.  But he doesn't.  In fact, it is a completely non-intuitive piece of garbage and has given the poor man endless trouble, but I think he's too polite to throw it out the window.  You need PhD's in engineering and psychology to operate his clock.  Just as I was (finally) drifting back, Mr. Sno's clock starts up with its chime.  "No way." Time: 4:05 AM. Sure enough, the clock had sensed a lack of PhD in its operator and had reverted to Revenge Mode, going off at whatever time would be least convenient.  

By 4:45 I was still half awake and horribly tired.  I want a do-over.  But I'll have to wait until tonight.  I think I may go to bed on the old time and try again tomorrow.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 4.31
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 13:36:28 from 198.241.174.15

Adventures in clocks.

The only issue I had this morning with the time change was that the school zone lights were flashing when I was driving kids to seminary at 6:30. The school zone lights aren't supposed to come on until 7:30. Someone didn't change them.

Happy Birthday, just in case it's your birthday today.

From JD on Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:26:58 from 70.96.78.157

It's mornings like that that make one really appreciate daylight savings time for what it really is...a waste of time!

Beautiful photo...

Happy Maybe Birthday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.830.001.501.008.33

42F, a few high clouds, patchy fog, lots of moonlight.  General aerobic run, turned into unplanned speed work...   

I met up with some friends after about 5 miles of easy running. They were running up the Parkway and I went with them. (That's the Leg Builder Hill, only heading farther up, away from the direction I usually go on it. One could run over 3 miles total on that hill bottom to top.)

These women are all faster than I am, but I figured it would be a Good For You experience. By the time we were halfway up the hill, I was in total oxygen debt. They weren't even working hard, chatting away like they had all the oxygen they could possibly want.   >:(

We ran a mile like that (my VO2 mile) and then I saw the time, panicked a little, and had to hurry back towards home.  Calculating distances in my head, I became more and more concerned about the time.  That became a mile and a half at about tempo pace.  

Well, I was thinking of doing some speed work this week anyway. The Turkey Trot is a week from Saturday. I figured I had better remind my lungs what "fast" is supposed to feel like.  So I guess I can check that off. The rest of my week can just be nice easy miles.

Abs & pushups later. 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.33
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:40:07 from 207.225.192.66

Wow... nice fast miles this morning! Looks like you are all recovered from the marathon. It' s good to run with people who are faster sometimes... but for me I usually get frustrated that I'm so much slower.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:41:46 from 24.8.167.243

That is one loooong hill. Great job on the unintentional speed work today. There's nothing like a time crunch to make you run fast. And running with faster people occasionally is good too.

Happy Birthday, in case it's your birthday today.

From Dale on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:53:35 from 69.10.215.11

Good work. I've found the few times I've run with faster people I wind up pushing harder than I could otherwise. Maybe a few runs with them occasionally will bring out the speed demon in you!

From JD on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:58:40 from 70.96.78.157

The Good For You experiences are often the most rewarding. It's a good idea to run with faster folks sometimes.

From Kelli on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 15:50:49 from 71.219.97.106

Gotta love unplanned speedwork--at least you do not have the dread going in to the run! Nice work, too!!!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 19:19:23 from 24.18.192.33

Very true comments, guys. The extra push of social pressure. And Kelli, yes it's nice to have had the workout without the anticipation. I would rather do a 20 miler than speed work any day, so sneaking it in there was great!

From april27 on Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 22:34:23 from 99.188.251.180

Great job on the unintentional speed work!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

With 40-50 mph winds hitting the house all night, I made an executive decision at about 4 AM to switch this week's day off from Friday to today.  I'm still pretty sleepy, but I figure 9 hours of broken sleep is better than 7.  Did 20 minutes of strength work, mostly for morale. :)

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:12:56 from 24.8.167.243

Good decision.

Happy Birthday, in case it's your birthday today.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:22:49 from 24.18.192.33

This is starting to remind me of the unbirthdays in Alice in Wonderland. It's every day!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:54:23 from 198.241.159.80

You'd age really quickly if every day were your birthday!

From JD on Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 15:12:39 from 70.96.78.157

Birthdays should last a month. Instead of someone's birthday being Sept. 3rd, for example, their birthday would simply be, September.

Good choice on switching the days.

From auntieem on Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 17:40:20 from 67.182.145.8

And more wind and rain coming tonight!

From april27 on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 08:56:28 from 99.188.251.180

Well atleast I know what will stop you from running...it isn't rain or snow or sleet...but wind will!

Good decision on not running!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:41:02 from 24.18.192.33

I think what really stops me is sleep deprivation. I will run in wind like any other "bad" weather, but there is a limit to how much sleep I can give up. Some of you on the blog just amaze me with your less-than-6-hour nights. I just can't manage it. In fact, less than 7 turns me into a basket case.

From april27 on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 12:17:42 from 99.188.251.180

I am the same way about sleep. I need it!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.781.000.000.009.78

Published on Friday by mistake at first... so thanks to those who left their comment on my Friday page.  What a mess... 

Low 50sF, mostly cloudy, wind increasing (0-15 mph) during run.  Easy run, w/ 1 mile at MP.  (2 other miles MP+20-30 seconds)  Last 2 miles on the TM.  10 min. abs & pushups. 

More unscheduled speed work as I met up with the running ladies again at mile 5. We didn't run the Parkway thank goodness, so with a bit less challenging terrain it was "only" marathon pace without the searing oxygen debt.  Some of these runners are from my club, including the leader of the group, and some are just other friends of hers.  Now that I'm on their email list I can find out where/when they are running and join them when I can.  But when I get back on my official training schedule I may not run with them very often; I can only take so much fast running per week. ;)

Audiobook recommendationOutliers by Malcolm Gladwell, read by the author.  This is a fascinating study of how/why people success or fail to succeed apart from innate talent.  I absolutely loved this book and will probably listen to it again soon. It's a "can't put it down" kind of book, which is less common in nonfiction.  The chapter about plane crashes was downright shocking.  The book will change the way I view many things in life. The author's narration is very pleasant and clear; I'm glad they didn't bring in an actor to read it.  I have enjoyed all of Gladwell's books, but I think this one is my favorite.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 9.78
Comments
From redrooster on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 13:13:48 from 129.123.3.31

Snowy, do you subscribe to audible.com? do you like it? I cant listen to music with my CI, so trips in the car are always boring so thought audio books would be a good option. But it is kind of expensive, and the books can't be shared, right, they are DRM protected? Or can you share with a certain number of subscribers?. what do you think of it?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 13:14:12 from 198.241.174.15

Time Machine operation completed successfully. Too bad you can't move the comments to.

Happy Birthday, in case it's your birthday today.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 13:20:29 from 24.18.192.33

Something is missing from my daily birthday... oh yeah - presents!!

Red - Yes, I do get Audible. One book per month. But I think iTunes is just as good. It's just that you can get a bit of a discount with Audible, even only if it's one book per month. I haven't figured out how to share Audible with Mr. Sno, but we are entitled to use up to 3 "devices" so I think it's possible. On iTunes sharing is super easy, maybe because we're Mac users. I just drag the book into the "Shared" folder and he drags it into his iTunes icon. LOVE AUDIOBOOKS!!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 14:25:45 from 198.241.174.15

PM me your address and I'll send you some (little) presents!

From auntieem on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 17:06:09 from 67.182.145.8

I liked that book too! I share my audible purchases all the time with my daughter. Just plug in her device and pull it out of the library onto itunes and download.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.470.000.000.005.47

Let's see if I can do this....   I am about to move this entry into Thursday, where it belonged -- so I hope I don't mess up the system here. (Lights throughout Snoqualmie go dark ala Pink Panther movie...) 

Okie dokie! Now it really is Friday. I'm here, and I went running.  It was chilly and windy with a few sprinkles.  About 4 miles solo, then a little farther with SnoFlake.  Did some strength work afterwards.  Today's motto: no "slow" is too slow.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.47
Comments
From allie on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:40:20 from 129.123.255.207

Have you ever read BLINK? Also by Gladwell, also a great read.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 12:14:06 from 198.241.159.80

I think that occasionally running with the fast ladies will do you good.

I've heard of that book, but haven't read/listened to it.

By the way, did you notice that you posted this on Friday? By my accounting, it's still Thursday (unfortunately).

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 12:47:44 from 24.18.192.33

Dang! Thanks for telling me Carolyn. Still a bit sleep deprived I guess...

Adding note to blog.

From JD on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 12:49:44 from 70.96.78.157

Nice longer run today.

That book sounds interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 12:53:11 from 24.18.192.33

Time machine complete. (Patent pending.)

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 11:51:15 from 24.8.167.243

You are absolutely right. There's no such thing as too slow.

From auntieem on Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 16:58:21 from 67.182.145.8

See, switching time zones is harder than it looks!

From april27 on Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 23:45:18 from 99.188.251.180

slow and steady :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.150.000.000.0020.15

Low 40s, with all kinds of weather during my run:  light rain, heavy rain, hail, wind, calm, and even a bit of blue sky at one point.

Objective: endurance run, club run, and 1.75 miles on the Leg Builder Hill.

Had a great run today. I was dressed well for the changing weather conditions, which didn't bother me until a really big increase in rain & wind just as I was climbing the L.B.  Total car wash. At first I was feeling pretty macho and singing along with my tunes at full blast. But then my feet got wet and the inevitable self-pity over came me for a while.  I hate wet feet. 

The BEST part of the run was doing a few miles with Jefferey and his friend.  Jeff, it was lots of fun to run with you guys and thanks so much for sticking with my slow pace!!  Jeff has relatives in North Bend so we even got an extra water stop.  


Brooks ST3 II Miles: 20.15
Comments
From JD on Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 15:19:34 from 70.96.78.157

Holy 20 miler! Another good mileage week too.

With all the running in the rain you do, I'm surprised to hear you don't like wet feet.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 16:52:21 from 67.185.148.81

I did notice the heavy rain as we were "driving" back home while you were "running" back. That was fun! Glad we could do it... you are tough climbing that beast after all those miles.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 18:11:28 from 97.126.141.36

Holy Cow!! a 20 miler so soon after your marathon.... you are an animal!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:30:36 from 24.8.167.243

You are very macho. Talk about endurance!!

From auntieem on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:18:31 from 67.182.145.8

I absolutely love the image of you running up LB singing at the top of your lungs in the rain!

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 12:42:30 from 24.18.192.33

I figured that I look insane anyway, running up the Parkway in the pouring rain. Might as well make the insanity complete. I was in the H's at the time: Heart of the Matter, Heat Wave (funny), and Here Comes the Sun (even more funny).

From april27 on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 12:51:38 from 99.188.251.180

Wet feet is the worst! I try not to jump in puddles b/c of it! Great mileage!

From Dale on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 18:14:08 from 69.10.215.11

Now I feel even guiltier for delaying my long run by a day!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 18:41:55 from 24.8.167.243

Argh. I can't believe I forgot to do this yesterday. Happy Birthday, in case it's your birthday.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:48:47 from 24.18.192.33

Don't worry, Dale; I'm part otter.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.550.000.000.005.55

42F, light rain, ending after 4 miles.  Recovery run.  Tired, slow, but relaxed run. 

Edit:  I forgot to go back to my habit of weekly summary, which I planned to do this week.  So here is the Monday to Sunday report:

total 50.2 miles

Mon 4.31

Tue 8.33 w/ 1 mi V02 & 2 mi T

Weds off

Thur 9.78 w/ 1 mi MP

Fri 5.47

Sat 20.15

Sun 5.55 easy

Lunaracers II Miles: 5.55
Comments
From The Howling Commando on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 18:04:59 from 72.224.31.85

Nice run, Sno. Had to comment because "5" is my favorite number and 5.55 miles is PERFECT.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 18:42:39 from 24.8.167.243

Sounds like a good recovery run.

Have you had your birthday yet. In case you haven't and in case today is your birthday, Happy Birthday.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:49:30 from 24.18.192.33

You can be relieved of birthday duty, Carolyn. Thanks ever so much.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:01:17 from 198.241.174.15

In that case, welcome to your new age!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.100.000.000.008.10

48F, pt cloudy, very windy (average 21 mph, gusts to 35).   Nice sunrise.  General-aerobic run, moderate pace. 20 min. strength.

We are having one of the wind storms for which this neighborhood is famous.  I tried to run my east-bound routes on the more sheltered streets and had a great time getting pushed by the wind going west.  North and south were unpredictable swirls and gusts.  I can't seem to get all my hair to stay under my cap, and my eyes watered a lot, but other than that I had a lot of fun. 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.10
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:04:45 from 24.8.167.243

And I thought I had a windy day. Yours was even windier than mine. Great job getting 8 miles done in those conditions! BTW, I read Outliers over the weekend. Very interesting.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:40:51 from 24.18.192.33

It's an amazing book.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 12:05:04 from 198.241.174.15

Have you read his other books?

Also, did the things he said about education in Outliers change anything you were doing with your home school?

I'm trying to get my husband to read the book.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 16:12:54 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, I read his other books and like them very much. "Blink" made me trust myself more. I haven't changed anything with the homeschooling, but I felt encouraged that some of the stuff I'm already doing will probably serve her well. Maybe Mr. Carolyn would like the audiobook if he commutes. It's very well-narrated.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 17:30:32 from 76.22.10.204

You were running the Heights this morning at 5:30ish weren't you? Pretty sure I saw you. 8 miles seems awfully long to me these days...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 18:36:58 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, that was probably me blowing around your 'hood.

From JD on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 19:21:22 from 209.183.32.47

Way to go getting out there in the wind. Big wind is a running deterrent in my weather intolerant book.

You seem well recovered from your 20 miler just a couple of days ago.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 19:28:18 from 24.18.192.33

Don't you just hate it when books get intolerant?

I am pleasantly surprised at how fast I recovered from Saturday. :D

From auntieem on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:00:00 from 67.182.145.8

We've had so much wind this year! Great recovery, Sno, from your 20 mile run. Don't know how 'ya do it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

43F, cloudy, w/ rain last mile.  Easy run. 

I felt quite sluggish this morning, so it was a real shock to see the Garmin read 7.69 miles. "That can't be right."  Sure enough, two of my mile splits were under 4 minutes. Right.

The watch I originally bought broke at the buckle last winter, so it was replaced.  I'm not sure how many new watches one warranty will cover.  The second watch is less than a year old, however. I guess I will stop by REI and inquire today.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.00
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From Kelli on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:36:31 from 71.219.97.106

Best of luck with the watch---if it is less than a year the warranty should still cover it, I would think!!! If not, that stinks!

Have a great day!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45:14 from 24.8.167.243

I've heard recently that if you bought it at REI, you can get it replaced no matter how old it is.

Maybe you just ran freakishly fast ;)

From JD on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 17:22:09 from 70.96.78.157

Those are fast splits!

Auntieem's watch is acting up lately too. I hope mine keeps working correctly. Maybe the planet is being invaded by zombies!

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 17:38:14 from 72.224.31.85

Your new nickname is Speedy Gonzalez! Ole! Hehe

From Dale on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 18:37:21 from 69.10.215.11

REI will take it back no questions asked. Believe me, I'm the poster child for returning Garmins (on my 3rd 405). That's the whole reason we pay full MSRP with them, I guess.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 23:22:51 from 24.18.192.33

I went to REI. The Garmin is gone. Gone. Gone.

The new one will be available in a week. (None were in stock at my little Issaquah branch.) I guess I'll get to know the Allsport GPS app on my iPhone really well. The 5K on Saturday should be very interesting.

From Barb on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 01:31:36 from 196.200.53.70

hey there from Africa! Thanks for the comment and encouragement. Read your blog and saw that you started with the Galloway method. I've run my marathons using the Galloway method. Saw that you've 'graduated' to no more walk breaks and now working on time. At this point in time I can't imagine doing a marathon without walk breaks! Would love to hear about how you've gotten to where you are in your training. Man running in the cool rain temperatures...sounds wonderful!

From auntieem on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:43:30 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds like we are having similar Garmin troubles. I am going to spend some time on the phone with the Garmine folks later this afternoon, when I have more time.

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:57:12 from 24.18.192.33

Barb - Hello! I still walk through the water stations. I eliminated walk breaks by starting with my shortest runs and by occasionally running with people who didn't take walk breaks. Good luck!

A-Em - I thought about calling Garmin but REI just hands you a new watch (or orders it) with no questions asked. My watch actually had 3 separate problems, 2 of which I was willing to live with. But the non-accuracy was a deal breaker. I sure hope third time's a charm.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

We dined out with friends last night and something did not agree with me.  Very little sleep and a war zone in my guts.   As much as I dislike afternoon runs I'm hoping I can put in a few miles before dinner tonight if I'm feeling better.   :(

Comments
From JD on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 14:56:48 from 70.96.78.157

Good luck. Hope you can sneak one in.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 16:56:39 from 198.241.174.15

Did it taste good while it was going down at least? I hope you get some rest and are able to get some miles in today. But don't sweat it if you don't.

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 18:18:59 from 207.225.192.66

Hope you get feeling better soon... but it makes me smile that for once I'm above you on the milage board :)

From Dale on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:08:28 from 69.10.215.11

Ugh. Well, at least it's not just before a big race, right? Hope you're up and out soon.

From auntieem on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 21:33:08 from 67.182.145.8

Ouch. Sorry, and I hope you got a few miles this afternoon. At least if its food related, it will be over by tomorrow, for sure.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.500.000.000.002.50

Hello Time-Travelers!   Here is my Friday run; see Friday's log for the Thursday run.  I know it's only November, but I'm planning my New Years resolutions: #1, Know which day of the week it is...

37F, raining, wind 10-20 mph.  20 min. core & upper body.  Today was scheduled as a day off before I was forced to take Wednesday off. I'm running a 5K tomorrow morning (Saturday, not Friday - see paragraph 1) and I just wanted enough of a run to get the blood flowing and burn a few calories.  It feels really chilly out. 

Lunaracers II Miles: 2.50
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:19:00 from 24.8.167.243

The wind and the rain made your 37 degrees much chillier than my calm dry 39 degrees this morning.

Good luck on your race tomorrow. You will be fabulous.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.100.000.000.007.10

35F, mostly clear, light breeze.  General-aerobic run. 

Chilly morning!  Measured my distance with the gps function on my iPhone. I won't have the replacement Garmin until next week.  

Thanks for all the good wishes yesterday when I felt ill.  It was definitely food, since I'm 100% today.   In a hurry this morning....   cheers!

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.10
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From auntieem on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:48:21 from 67.182.145.8

Nice run, but its not Friday. Glad you're feeling better!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:47:14 from 207.225.192.66

Nice future miles :)Good to see that you are feeling better!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:50:05 from 198.241.174.15

I'm glad you're feeling better. It's nice that you have gps on your iPhone as a backup.

You seem to be time travelling again. I think you are just so anxious for the weekends that when Thursday rolls around you skip right over it to Friday.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:52:25 from 24.18.192.33

I seem to be incapable of entering my runs on the correct day if I take a Wednesday off. I think what happens is that I look at the workout calendar and skip over a day from my last entry. But I've made an entry on Wednesday so it doesn't work. Once is human, twice is senility. Feeling my extra year I guess!

From auntieem on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 18:47:12 from 67.182.145.8

You get at least 5 errors of this type before we start saying senility silly.

From april27 on Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 22:07:42 from 99.188.251.180

Glad to hear that you will get a new watch!

From JD on Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 15:42:08 from 70.96.78.157

Glad you're feeling better. I wish I knew what day it was...

From Kelli on Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 17:27:40 from 71.219.97.167

Glad you are 100%! Get used to that darn cold, it is here to stay for a bit.

Race: Turkey Trot (3.1 Miles) 00:25:09, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.300.000.003.104.40

Let's cut to the chase...

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Yesterday afternoon, we had a completely unexpected snowstorm for about an hour.  To my horror (and I'm sure to Sean's as well - he's our race director), a bit of snow still lay on the lawns early this morning, and the roads were a sheet of ice.  Temperature at 6:30 AM, 33F.  (At the gun, high 30sF.)

It was too icy to safely walk the course at 8:00 AM, let alone run, and the kids' race was to start at 9. The road was literally covered with black ice. Sean chose to delay all races by 30 minutes to allow Mr. Sunshine to do his job. (Thank you, Sean!!!) 

Eventually the morning warmed up and off we went. The first 2 miles were filled with thoughts that went something like this: "I hate this. Why do I do this? I am miserable. I can't breathe." Yes, I had warmed up. And yes, I always feel that way in a 5K.  Really, I don't know how you guys who do 5Ks all the time can stand it. 

It was tempting to think, "I just need to be in better shape."  But that won't hold water.  No matter what shape I am in, if I am trying to run the fastest pace I can keep up for 3 miles, I will always feel this way.  And so, finally, acceptance and peace.... and just 1 mile to go.  In this final mile we encountered the only ice left on the course, on a wooden bridge going through some shaded woods. Just a little slow down there. 

The course was very good.  I love the changes Sean made since the St. Paddy's run in March.  The race goes through my own home turf, all the streets and trails I know so well.  Very, very hilly, but a nice distribution of up and down, with at least 200 yards of down/flat at the start and a down hill finish.   

There was a very large field of runners this year. I kept seeing people I know, which is very unusual for me.  I had the pleasure of seeing a woman I used to work with, whom I have not seen for about 13 years!   A very close friend of mine has returned to running (yay!) and was there with her family.  The best thing was seeing all the Mt. Si Running Club runners, most of us standing out in our fluorescent green/yellow shirts.  I've never known so many runners in a race before.

I hoped to beat my St. Paddy's time of 26:02, so I am extremely happy with my race.  Although I ran today's course faster than the St. Paddy's last March, the competition today was steeper. But I still got a trophy! I LOVE THAT. It really does make the memory of suffering diminish every time I look at it. 

Post Script, Sunday morning:  Results are online, so the finish time is now correct. Average page was 8:07 -- on hills, that means that some of my running was sub 8!!! (insert happy dance)   I. Am. Thrilled!

 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 4.40
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 17:06:50 from 24.8.167.243

A trophy! Wow! I only got a medal.

Congratulations on a fantastic race! Way to beat your St. Paddy's time. Is this a 5K PR for you.

I agree with your assessment of 5Ks. A 5K would be so easy if you didn't try to race it, but racing a 5K is nothing but pain.

Once again, a huge congratulations on a fantastic race! You are in great shape!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 17:20:11 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Carolyn. No, not a PR at all. Not on those hills!

From redrooster on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 17:46:53 from 71.219.150.58

wow that is a nice trophy, and an excellent time, very well done!! but is the trophy edible :-)

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 18:21:46 from 24.18.192.33

Alas, not edible. Bad hunter gatherer! Bad!

From JD on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 18:29:56 from 209.183.51.129

Congratulations! You know you're addicted to "5K pain", just admit it! Sweet trophy!

From nicole on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 19:31:59 from 174.144.55.71

You DOMINATE!!! way to go! and a TROPHY??? quite impressive. If I ever get back in shape I'm running that race! I want to win a trophy someday! :-) what is your 5k pr?

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 19:36:30 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Nicole! It would be so fun if you came to run one of these Snoqualmie Ridge races. My PR is 24:37 for the 5K. Hope you're back where you want to be very soon!

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 19:37:20 from 24.18.192.33

(Gasp!) Look at the Trophy. The winner is *pushing* poor second place out of her way. Foul!

From auntieem on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 19:44:33 from 67.182.145.8

Hey! Elbows are legal in running. Congratulations on your race! Cool trophy too!

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 20:22:23 from 97.126.141.36

Great race!! and neat trophy... I agree with Em elbow are legal. You are getting pretty speedy. I feel the same way about 5Ks I don't think I have many fast twitch muscles.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 23:04:59 from 24.17.108.253

Sean has really done a nice job with these Ridge races. It was great to see you and that you did so well! Next race is St. Paddy's day 5K, get ready!!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:30:06 from 24.8.167.243

Sunday morning postscript: Now I'm going to have to start calling you Speedy Snoqualmie!

From Dale on Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 18:23:20 from 69.10.215.11

Hey, nice trophy! Congrats.

I'm with you on the whole 5K pain thing. It's such a different kind of hurt.....no fun.

From marion on Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 19:19:14 from 71.213.112.70

BEAUTIFUL trophy! Congratulations!! I am so glad that the ice decided to melt for y'all! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.970.000.000.0010.97

42F, rain & wind.  Objective: recover from Fast, enjoy some Slow. 

I love Smartwool.  

All 12 of my fast twitch muscle fibers were sore and cranky today, but the faithful slow twitch majority wanted to go running.  I thought I might be able to get as many as 15 or 16 miles in today but it stopped being fun so I came home.

There are still lots of gorgeous fall colors out there, though most deciduous branches are now bare.  I saw a blue jay; we don't get too many of those.  

Monday to Sunday weekly summary

Total 39.07 miles (So low. Will try to bring it up again.)

8.1

6

off (not feeling well)

7.1

4.4 w/ 5K race

10.97


Brooks ST3 II Miles: 10.97
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 15:11:26 from 24.8.167.243

I love Smartwool too. I believe you were the one who turned me on to it. Thank you!

All 12 of your fast twitch muscles fibers. Ha ha. I guess they did their job yesterday and needed a day off today.

From Little Bad Legs on Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 20:58:44 from 67.170.153.203

Congrats on your run yesterday. I was in Bellevue over the weekend and can attest to the slippery roads on Saturday morning! You've got a beautiful area to train in.

From JD on Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 23:56:58 from 209.183.51.66

A really solid week of running. Especially when you consider the twenty miler you did last Saturday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.380.000.000.005.38

52F, rain, wind ~10 mph w/ gusts to 23. Objective: easy/recovery.  Legs are sore.

The streets were dry this morning and it was a balmy 52, but I saw the storm coming on the Doppler.  How fast was the storm coming, could I risk leaving off the jacket, would the jacket be too warm for this temperature, and could I get in 5 miles before the storm arrived? Too much for my brain at that hour.  Mile 2, the rain started coming down and I was not dressed for it.

I decided to just head back towards my house but keep running around the immediate neighborhood, so that when the fun-o-meter dropped to a certain level I would turn in.  I made it to about 4 miles and finished on the dreadmill.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.38
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From Bonnie on Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:14:58 from 128.196.228.134

Congrats on the race Sno!! Good for you!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 14:12:19 from 198.241.174.15

I'm impressed that your fun-o-meter lasted for 2 or so miles in the rain. Great job getting the miles in one way or another.

From Dale on Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 19:28:39 from 69.10.215.11

Just remember we were praying for this weather in the heat of summer! Well, maybe not the wind and rain so much, but the clouds and the temps...

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 19:43:27 from 24.18.192.33

Right on, Dale.

From auntieem on Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 22:24:36 from 67.182.145.8

Good recovering run. Your legs have a right to be a bit sore after your race!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.410.000.000.009.41

42F, heavy rain, windy in open spaces.  Objective: general-aerobic run.  GARMIN IS BACK!  :D   Core and pushups afterwards. 

I think I would be a perfect candidate for hypnosis.  Throughout the night I was awakened by the pouring rain, and I saw it out the window when I got up, but the Doppler showed the storm ending soon. Good enough for me! I dressed well for the downpour and spent the whole run cheerfully thinking, "it's going to end any minute now!"  I think it lightened up a bit in my last mile, and actually stopped about 15 minutes after I came in, totally soaked of course.  Mental attitude is an amazingly powerful force.  I had a great run.  

The fun-o-meter only dipped once at the beginning of the run: my shoes were still dry at that point and I stepped off the curb into a puddle of cold water. I know that puddle and usually avoid it successfully.  Gr. But as it turned out I was in full squish mode by the end of the second mile so it didn't matter.  

Too bad I didn't have time to stay outside long enough for the storm to end.  I really wanted some more miles but was out of time, so -- last 3 miles on the Dreadmill in VFFs. 

For my future reference and the benefit of anyone who might be interested, the perfect low 40s-and-pouring-rain outfit:  Smartwool socks, Sugoi thermal running tights, Smartwool top, Polartec mid-weight half zip top over the Smartwool, Cycling jacket, gortex cap, gloves, unmentionables. 

Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 3.00Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.41
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From auntieem on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:55:59 from 67.182.145.8

Nice way to brave the weather! Mental attitude does make all the difference. We have actual sunshine here right now, for the moment anyway! I am so anxious to be outside, I'm going to take the bike out, even if just for 1/2 an hour.

Boy, you really bundle up for winter running! I would be littering layers all around the 'hood if I wore that many.

I've been meaning to ask: are you back on the coached training plan?

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:37:59 from 198.241.174.15

I think you're a duck. Or something.

I'm glad I don't have to run in rain. But who knows, maybe I'd like it if I tried it.

Great job with the mental attitude. What a strong brain you have.

From JD on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:38:13 from 70.96.78.157

Nice mid-week mileage.

Good of you to mention the unmentionables...sometimes they feel left out.

From Dale on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:50:09 from 69.10.215.11

Glad someone enjoyed their rain run today :)

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:35:00 from 24.18.192.33

A-Em: It seemed like a good amount of clothes once I was soaked and the wind was blowing, but I know you get hotter than I.

As for coaching, Sean was kind of hands-off anyway, so I'll just keep using his workouts. Haven't started yet but I expect to in the next week or two.

One thing I will do very differently is to add a cut-back week when I start falling apart. I can afford to take the time for that, and I really don't want to go through another training-related depression.

From auntieem on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 21:46:33 from 67.182.145.8

Yeah, I would also add a cut back week. Now that I've been through it once and know what exhaustion feels like, I'll recognize it and act quicker!

From Dale on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 22:07:38 from 69.10.215.11

Oh, the fine line between optimal and over-training. How I wish *I* could see where I am in relation to that line. I can only ever seem to view it in hindsight. Which is why I'm really trying to stick with the every 4th week cutback...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.150.000.000.008.15

37F, rain for first 3 miles, then it stopped and the stars came out. Wind 4-8 mph w/ gusts to 17.  Easy run w/ form drills. 

Short on time. I'll have to catch up on everyone's blogs later. :) 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.44Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 1.71
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:38:27 from 24.8.167.243

Way to outlast the rain.

From JD on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 14:47:09 from 70.96.78.157

I love it when the stars come out.

From LuzyLew on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:14:16 from 208.187.197.42

Did you have meteor showers? We had a ton of meteors this moring!

From april27 on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:28:28 from 99.188.251.180

Not fair! I have never seen a meteor shower!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 22:54:07 from 24.18.192.33

No meteors that I saw. Lucky LuzyLew! (I just had to say that.) We saw quite a few about a week ago while sitting in the hot tub though.

From auntieem on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:42:52 from 67.182.145.8

What is a form drill?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.100.000.000.0010.10

44F, raining, wind 10 mph w/ gusts to 25.  4 miles easy, 4 miles moderate (9:30-10:00 pace), 2 miles easy.  Had to finish on the dreadmill, so I ran last .75 barefoot. 

You know how the Eskimos supposedly have dozens of words for "snow."  I think I am developing dozens of words/phrases for rain drops.  Today was a combination of medium-light, sideways medium, annoyingly-soft shower head and dense straight-falling medium.  Oh, and I found a new puddle spot on Hoff Ave. Said a bad word. 

 

BF Miles: 0.75Brooks ST3 II Miles: 9.35
Comments
From SnoFlake on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:36:16 from 24.18.192.33

Maybe we need to invent a new language...

From auntieem on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:42:59 from 67.182.145.8

Yes, I know what you mean about different words for rain! It has been going on for a long time, eh? Being stuck inside has me yearn for being out in the rain. I can't wait to run in a soaking rain and get DRENCHED!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:48:11 from 24.8.167.243

You Washington/Oregon people are rain crazy. You should come up with different words for rain.

At least now you know where that puddle is.

From JD on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 16:28:52 from 70.96.78.157

I guess you've come up with some new words for puddle spots.

Nice mid-week tener!

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 16:53:18 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles!! Sorry for the new puddle spot. I can't imagine dealing with the rain as much as you do. I don't really mind running in the rain though, but I do hate puddles and squishy feet.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 17:00:01 from 76.22.10.204

Guess we might as well get used to it for the next 5 months. If you can't beat it, grow webbed feet :-)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 19:48:40 from 24.18.192.33

That's right... it's here, it's staying, and - I tell you true - I prefer it to heat.

JD - You just crack me up!

From april27 on Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 21:55:23 from 99.188.251.180

Okay call me crazy...but I was sick all week last week and it was gorgeous weather (60s) ...I was kinda glad I was sick...now I prefer to run in the yuck weather...well except for wind...This winter I"m going to experiment with different things to keep my face from falling off due to wind...oh maybe I could come up with different names for wind...

From Kelli on Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 15:53:43 from 71.219.71.229

No bad words!!! Funny about the rain, I think we just have normal rain and sideways rain here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.140.000.000.0020.14

38F-40F, mostly dry w/ a few light showers, except for downpour at  about miles 15-17.  Objectives:  endurance, club run, & Leg Builder Hill (miles 12-14). 

Great run. Really beautiful morning by my standards. ;)  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 20.14
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 15:10:57 from 24.8.167.243

I guess you were just asking to get hit with rain at some point by staying out there for 20 miles. Very impressive.

From auntieem on Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 20:02:51 from 67.182.145.8

That does sound like great weather! We had the same, and even a tiny sun shower about 10:00!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.060.000.000.005.06

40F, raining, with occasional icy pieces in it.  Objective: recovery run. 

Legs are a little sore.  I can't remember when was the last time I wore my "normal" trainers, before today.  The less I wear them, the more they feel like blocks of wood.  I think I may be better off retiring them altogether.  My feet have come to love the flexibility and lightness of my various racing shoes. The trainers seems to put all kinds architecture between me and the street. It was somewhat annoying.  

Edit: 

Almost forgot - weekly summary for Mon-Sun

TOTAL  58.24

Mon 5.38 

Tue 9.41

Wed 8.15

Thu 10.1

Fri off

Sat 20.14

Sun 5.06

Triax 12 II Miles: 5.06
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 17:39:24 from 24.8.167.243

Very nice mileage this week.

I'm having trouble when I look at running shoes at the store they all look like they have such huge heels. Do you think things will be changing with so much emphasis on barefoot running these days?

From JD on Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 18:11:06 from 209.183.51.63

Very nice running this week, last week, this month, all the time! You are consistent and strong. You sure recover well from those twenty milers.

I do think things will change in the running shoe industry over the next few years as people trend toward more minimally structured shoes.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 18:15:57 from 24.18.192.33

I sure hope shoes change. I can't help but think the running shoe industry is hurting the sport making making more and more layers of costly materials that weaken people's feet.

From JD on Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 18:24:00 from 209.183.51.63

Yeah but I think the word is out and runners are starting to wise up to the concept that the foot knows best.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.470.000.000.008.47

42F, light rain.  General-aerobic run.  20 min. strength.

Great run, in spite of the Doppler Betrayal.  When I look at the Doppler image online, I can usually tell what's out there and what's coming, at least for the next hour.  I reinforce my personal weather forecast by comparing it with the hourly predictions on weather.com and wunderground.com.  Today I was so sure the light rain was coming to an end that I chose a fleece top and no jacket. Bad news, I got very wet. Good news, this particular fleece top is extremely warm and there was little or no wind. 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.47
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:22:21 from 24.8.167.243

Well, I'm glad you stayed warm at least. You're going to be qualified for a career as a weather forecaster before long, if you aren't already.

From LuzyLew on Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:15:38 from 208.187.197.42

That's quite a weather predicting system you've got there. My brother in law is a meteorologist and he'd be amazed (down to the hour?) Amazing! I guess in Washington you really do need to leave the house prepared--getting soaked is about the worst there is! Way to get 8 under your belt this Monday morning!

From JD on Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 13:18:08 from 70.96.78.157

Great start to the week.

Didn't you just run 20 miles a couple of days ago? Amazing.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 15:36:40 from 24.18.192.33

LL - I want to be a meteorologist. This is as close as I can get right now.

JD - Thanks for noticing.

From april27 on Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 00:24:36 from 99.188.251.180

Sno--wow I think the lack of wind saved you! Great miles this week! you are officially recovered from Marathon!

From auntieem on Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:55:38 from 67.182.145.8

You are quite the weather scientist! I am impressed. I just look at the little pictures in the paper. If it shows actual raindrops coming out of the clouds, then I prepare for rain.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

37F. Light showers. White stuff everywhere. Sticks on feet. Chairs that float through the air. 

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 22:29:30 from 24.8.167.243

Snowed in, eh?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.830.000.000.003.83

47F. Clear, wind 10 mph. Easy run. 20 min. strength.

It's neither wet, very cold, nor terribly windy. I hardly know where I am.

I kept it easy today, since I'm pretty worn out from skiing yesterday. Fortunately, running uses such a different set of muscles.  

I did cross paths at one point with The Ladies Who Run Really Fast. I didn't want to be rude, and they all recognized me (or perhaps my headlamp), so I tried to join them.  Hahaha. That didn't work.  Fortunately I was thinking of stopping at the bathroom anyway, so I said my goodbyes and veered off after a couple of blocks.  

I'm looking forward to a stronger, longer run tomorrow. In daylight! 

Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 3.83
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:40:35 from 198.241.159.80

Oh, so you were skiing yesterday. That explains it.

Congratulations on your nice weather this morning, though 10 mph wind, while not terribly windy, is still a decent wind.

Yes, tomorrow is a day to sleep in and run in daylight. Hooray!

From Metcalf Running on Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 13:59:35 from 97.126.141.36

Nice run today!! Glad you got some skiing in also. I think everyone is looking forward to a run in the day light... I know I enjoyed it today.

From JD on Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:35:25 from 209.183.51.44

Great weather you're having. Enjoy the daylight run!

From Dale on Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:36:14 from 69.10.215.11

Soak up all the vitamin D will you can!!!

From april27 on Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:09:31 from 99.188.251.180

Ooh skiing! How fun!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.440.000.000.0011.44

45F, rain showers and patchy fog. General-aerobic run. 

There were LOTS of runners out today. I guess everyone wants to put a dent in the calories that will come later.  The neighborhood was full of cooking smells. Someone near Azalea Park is baking bread.   My legs felt extremely sluggish today, leftover from Tuesday I guess.  Have a very happy Thanksgiving!  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 11.44
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 15:44:37 from 24.8.167.243

Yes, runners were out in droves. Happy Thanksgiving to you!

From JD on Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 18:39:28 from 166.216.128.152

Happy Thanksgiving! Good miles today. Does Azalea Park actually have azaleas?

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 23:38:21 from 24.18.192.33

Azaleas love it here. They're all over the place. But I'm not sure I've seen any in that park. Rhododendron, their cousins, are our State Flower. I'm so glad the Rulers have time to pick out a flower for us peasants.

From auntieem on Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:41:21 from 67.182.145.8

Glad you got out to get your run in before Turkey time. I was actually grateful to have the indoor bike so I cold babysit the turkey while I worked out! I hope you had a nice day.

From april27 on Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 22:55:32 from 99.188.251.180

Ooh fog!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.680.000.000.0018.68

40F, cloudy, with a light misty rain during 1st and last 4 miles.  Endurance run, club run, and Leg Builder Hill. 

I ran around my own neighborhood for a while, then down the Parkway to the club run.  Old Snoqualmie and part of the Snoq. Valley Trail, then back up the hill and through Deer Park, then home.  

I was the only woman at our running club this week. At first, it looked like there was no one to run with at my pace, but I fell in step with this one guy, a man who is fairly new to the club.  He was going pretty slowly, but that seemed like a good idea for today.  We ran together for about 3.5 miles. During the last mile he was getting faster and faster, to the point where I was approaching my marathon pace to keep up with him. He always seemed to be a little ahead, so I was chatting with the back of his shoulder and trying to keep up.  At the end of the run he said, "great to run with you - I never would have gone that fast without you."  I was too shocked to make my snappy retort fast enough, but maybe I'll say something if he comes again. 

Tomorrow is the Seattle Marathon, and it looks like they might get dry weather this year. I am so very glad not to be running it, as always.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 18.68
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From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 13:54:04 from 24.8.167.243

Way to get the miles in today. That's interesting that that guy went faster on your account. Sometimes when I run with the Michelles they go faster on my account, but I would like them to slow down a little.

From Metcalf Running on Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 13:56:37 from 97.126.141.36

WOW nice mile today!! Funny that the guy went faster for you... that is good though right???

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 14:13:58 from 24.18.192.33

Well, he seemed to think *I* was driving the pace. I just don't get it.

From JD on Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 20:11:37 from 166.216.128.78

Another long run...nice going. Which marathon is getting the honor of being your 20th?

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:18:24 from 24.18.192.33

Looks like I'll be running Napa Valley in March. http://www.napavalleymarathon.org/

From april27 on Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 16:37:00 from 99.188.251.180

Maybe he felt like he had to compete?

From Dale on Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 17:26:10 from 69.10.215.11

I read something about the different running styles people have. Some must always be a step or 2 ahead....seems like you just met one of those.

From auntieem on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:51:02 from 67.182.145.8

I often have that experience with other runners; they feel that I am driving the pace, when I don't feel that way at all. Maybe we runners just feed off each other and push each other on.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I've spent the past 48 hours trying not to have a cold.  I think I'm winning.  :)

On Saturday night I suddenly had a very bad feeling in the back of the roof of my mouth and was sneezing like crazy.  So I launched Project Immune Strength (vitamins C & D, peppermint tea, and a protein snack - not in that order) and went to bed at 8 PM.  

I spent most of Sunday on the couch wrapped in wool, but not enjoying it as much as one thinks one would when one can't. (Did that make sense?) At night I produced an artificial (virus killing) fever by sitting in the 104F hot tub for 20 minutes.  

Things were looking good. I thought I might run this morning until Mr. Sno gave me a rare admonition (he normally stays pretty quiet about my health choices) to give it one more day.  Early to bed, hoping he was wrong, but at 5 this morning it did seem like a bad idea. Still had the weird post-nasal pain thing.  

Other than the general I-miss-running factor, what really ticks me off is that yesterday was mild, calm and dry weather. And today is mild, calm, dry weather.  Could this not happen to me when the gales are blowing?!?  No, that's not a request, Powers That Be.  Just saying.

Well, the main point of my long non-run blogging here is to say that this little routine of mine really works and if you start to get a cold I highly recommend it!  Although I've missed two runs and spent one day on the couch, I feel pretty good today and I have not had to carry a tissue box by my side at all.  You have to include the usual vitamin C, rest and fluids, but add to that 6,000-8,000 IU of vitamin D3 throughout the day, eat no sugar, drink peppermint, chamomile or ginger tea, and increase your protein. Stay very warm and humidify your room if possible.  C'est tout.  Dr. Sno hopes to be running again tomorrow. 

Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:38:45 from 198.241.174.15

Way to outsmart the cold, Dr. Sno!

From JD on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:48:22 from 70.96.78.157

That ol' vitamin D really seems important.

Sounds like you'll be back to running soon.

From auntieem on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 16:37:42 from 67.182.145.8

well, the vitamin D is important anyway. I am a big believer in the fever inducing bath as well. I usually sit in there and drink a cup of very hot home brewed ginger tea to help the fevering along.

I am sure that you will be running tomorrow. I will hope for mild, calm weather for you, and a little sunshine for me.

From Bonnie on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 17:12:19 from 128.196.228.134

Good luck Sno ... can you feel me sending you health vibes??

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.040.000.000.206.24

39F, partly cloudy w/ full moon poking through.  Calm & dry.  Easy 3 miles, then hill repeats (4 x 1 min w/ 2 min recov., 15-17% grade), then another easy 3.  10 min. core & pushups.

Other than being a little tired and having to blow my nose a few times, I felt pretty good today.  I adjusted my scheduled hill repeats to 4 instead of 6 and didn't push to the maximum, as a concession to any lingering threat of illness. 

I found a new hill for my repeats, just as steep as Leg Builder but located on a quiet street. (Sean and Jeff, it's the very tail end of Douglas Ave., where it is no longer an arterial.)   The odd thing was, I had an audience for a while.  This guy was standing in his front window, seemingly watching me go up and down, up and down.  "Hasn't he got anything better to do? Or is he watching the full moon set?"  Just before the last rep, as it was shifting from amusing to annoying, his carpool picked him up and all was explained.  Well, he'd better get used to it, because I thought it was a great spot for hill work and I'll be back.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.24
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 11:28:42 from 198.241.159.80

I thought of you as I looked at the full moon this morning and figured it was shining on you too.

Great job on the hill repeats. I hope the guy enjoyed watching you while he waited for his carpool.

I'm glad you're feeling better and hope that the recovery sticks.

From auntieem on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:11:25 from 67.182.145.8

I hope you are getting our weather today! Its clear!!! and cold. 33 degrees when I went out this morning. I'll be in maui for 10 days or so. See you when I get back! Have you signed up for Nookachamps. You can stay with me....

From JD on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:17:29 from 70.96.78.157

I'm glad you're feeling better.

Just for fun, you should do odd stuff while doing hill repeats as that guy watches. Like, wear odd hats, or a fake beard, or give him a salute as you're running by.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:36:23 from 207.225.192.66

Nice to see that you are feeling better and out there doing your run!

I'm with JD you should mess with they guy while doing your hill sprints. That could be lots of fun!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 14:18:33 from 76.22.10.204

That's a tough hill right there! I never run down that way because of that beast. More power to you!!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 20:02:56 from 24.18.192.33

A -Em: Oh gosh! Have a wonderful time in Maui. We honeymooned there in 1990.

I'm all signed up for Nookachamps, yes. Thanks for the invitation - so nice! But I'm driving up that morning. Race at 10, plenty of time. :)

Travel safely and I hope you'll be running again soon!

JD - that would be too funny!!!!

Jeff - I never go down there either, but for hill work it is perfect.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.770.000.000.005.77

27F, clear & starry.  Icy in places.  Easy run w/ faster last mile.  20 min. weights & stretching.

I confess I really doddled getting out the door this morning.  I think somewhere in the back of my mind it seemed like a dangerous outing for a person with sniffles.  But it was fine once I got going and warmed up.

To ponder...  when I stopped at the bathroom I noticed that the skin on my legs was freezing cold. Does that affect the muscles?  I did feel slow today and would love to blame it on the weather.

 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 5.77
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:26:02 from 198.241.217.15

I don't have an answer to your cold skin question, but I'm all for blaming it on the weather. That's what I'm doing today.

From JD on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 17:14:23 from 70.96.78.157

Make like Milli Vanilli and "Blame it on the Rain".

Is the moon still out in your neck of the woods when you're running?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 23:40:17 from 24.18.192.33

It was almost like daylight this morning, the moon was so bright.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.760.003.000.009.76

40F, mostly clear, wind 13 mph w/ gusts to 30 mph (wind chill 33F).  Tempo run: 3.75 warm up w/ hill pushes, 3 miles @ tempo (various paces due to hills and wind), remainder cool down + 2 miles on the dreadmill.  10 min abs & pushups after.

My tempo run went pretty well, considering the conditions, terrain, and my lingering mucus issues.  This is the first tempo run I've done since September, so I only ran 3 LT miles instead of the 4 I'll do next time.  I felt good and was able to push hard.  

I kept the pace pretty close to 8:30 on the flats and downhills, but occasionally it climbed to 8:50 if I was going into the wind.  Definitely over 9:00 on the uphills, but I no longer want to loop around and around the only flat streets in the neighborhood just so I can see a consistent number on the Garmin.  I feel like I do all right if I start on relative flatness to get a feel for the pace, and then go wherever I want to go.  I'm childish that way.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 7.71Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 2.05
Comments
From april27 on Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 15:22:52 from 99.188.251.180

you should have added a nah nah nah boo boo! hahaha

Great miles today!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 17:27:36 from 76.22.10.204

I saw you running down carmichael at 5:40 this a.m. didn't want to honk and freak you out(or wake others) Still don't know how you run that early(stinkin' dark).

As long as your effort is Tempo effort it doesn't matter the speed too much.(At least I don't think so) Those Ridge hills and the wind will slow anybody down.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 18:17:40 from 24.8.167.243

I agree that it's fine for the pace to vary according to terrain when you're maintaining a consistent effort. And you're not childish.

From JD on Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 18:37:06 from 70.96.78.157

One of the best things about running is just going any place, at any pace one chooses.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
21.220.000.000.0021.22

28F, rising to 35. Calm, clear and frosty.  Endurance run, club run, Leg Builder Hill.

When my running club buddies turned back on the SV Trail, I decided to keep going. It seemed like a good idea at the time.  In hindsight, it was too much... gravel.  

I turned up the Mt. Si Road and ran a few miles, then turned around and faced the long 10 miles home.  Since most of my Mt. Si Road mileage was on the shoulder, that made about 12 miles of running on gravel and piercing little rocks.  Too much.  Note to self, don't do that.  

Anyway, it just tired me out.  At around mile 14 I felt all the powers of Gravity and then some.  Going up the Parkway after so many miles was a practice session for pushing through fatigue.  Right now I feel totally worn out.  I'm going to eat some more, take a shower, and see if I can manage the Christmas shopping I had planned.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 21.22
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 15:10:22 from 24.8.167.243

Wow. That really was an endurance run. It sounds like your body learned a big lesson in running with fatigue.

Running on gravel does not sound fun at all.

From april27 on Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 18:02:33 from 99.188.251.180

Great job!

I was wondering...we may have talked about this but I can't remember...Do you do 4 5 mile loops when you do 20 miles? or do you do a loop of 20 miles?

I'm trying really hard to find a 10 mile loop...but it is difficult around here. I figure if I can do it in step I will be better off. (ie i'm going to run 10 miles twice).

Of course that isn't going to happen for a few months but I'm just wondering.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 18:43:07 from 24.17.108.253

WOW!! I'm super impressed with this run...it's going to pay dividends later. 8-)

Great job.

From JD on Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 18:53:16 from 32.176.207.15

Another...long...run...

You really are incredible.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 00:03:28 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks for all the nice compliments!

April - You'll be there before you know it if that's what you want. :) I don't usually cover much of the same ground twice when I run. My old routine was to do various loops out from a central point. But now that I combine long runs with the running club run, I can do a lot of the miles on an out and back, and then finish up around my neighborhood. Today was unusual (and not to be repeated any time soon). I did a half mile around my immediate neighborhood, then ran down into the old part of town, out the trail with the club, up a country road and back, onto the trail again, back through town, up the hill and straight home with no extra loops.

Jeff - good to see you out running today! Have you signed up for Newport yet?

From Metcalf Running on Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 01:16:12 from 97.126.141.36

Impressive miles!! A true endurance champion!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.200.000.000.005.20

30F, overcast and calm. Icy.  Recovery run.  

I drove the frighteningly icy road over Tiger Mountain early this morning to run with an old friend with whom I reconnected at the Turkey Trot in November.  We ran the Cedar River Trail (asphalt surface).  Great conversation and nicely matched paces.  Despite feeling about 95 years old when I got out of bed this morning, my legs felt great and are not sore at all. 

 

Weekly Summary for  Mon-Sun week

Mon out sick

Tues 6.24 w/ hill repeats

Weds 5.77

Thursday 9.76 w/ tempo

Fri off

Sat 21.22

Sun 5.2


Total: 46.14





Total: 46.14


Brooks ST3 Miles: 5.20
Comments
From JD on Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 18:49:09 from 166.203.20.237

Great running this week.

I only felt 91 yrs. old when I got out of bed this morning; must be a good day.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.750.000.000.007.75

21F, windy at times (wind chill 13). Starry skies, deserted streets.  Easy run. 20 min. strength work.

Br. And it's supposed to get colder.  I must find my balaclava. 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.75
Comments
From Dale on Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 14:00:06 from 69.10.215.11

I'm starting to miss the rain....

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 14:00:14 from 24.8.167.243

Nothing beats an icy balaclava.

I like deserted streets.

From JD on Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 16:13:04 from 70.96.78.157

Holy smokes that's cold! Way to get out in it.

From april27 on Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 21:52:10 from 99.188.251.180

Yeah I want to buy a buff baclava...right now my regular buff is working well...but I"m sooo tempted!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.050.000.000.0010.05

19F, dry.  General-aerobic run. Last 2 on TM. 

I am so glad that we haven't had a lot of moisture in the air or it would be super icy out there. I saw ice two times.  Once was down by Stellar Park, where it looked like a fire hydrant had leaked. The sidewalk next to it had a solid layer of ice. The street, downhill from the hydrant, looked like the water had been spread all over the road  by a street cleaner and was all glittering. An accident waiting to happen. I turned and went back the other way. 

The other place I saw ice was in the park bathroom.  They used to heat these bathrooms, but maybe there are budget problems.  Well, now I predict a plumbing problem.  The toilet water was completely iced over and there was a 2 inch icicle hanging from the faucet.  

Too slow and late again today, hence a bit of TM running.  :(   I wonder if my layers of Smartwool and fleece are slowing me down.  

 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 10.05
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:08:06 from 207.225.192.66

I think we are all a bit slower in the cold. Let alone the added layers of clothing we need to wear, I think it also takes longer to get warmed up enough to run faster.

Nice miles today!! Good job avoiding the ice.

From rattletrap on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 12:55:45 from 70.192.96.141

Good job getting out there in sub-freezing temps! I thought 32 was bad on Sunday. I'm guessing you didn't actually use the frozen bathroom :) I get chills just thinking about that.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 14:32:01 from 198.241.174.15

I have to thank you for the Smartwool tip you gave me last year. I love the Smartwool.

Way to run in the cold. I chickened out of 10 miles in the cold this morning.

From JD on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 16:45:00 from 70.96.78.157

Yeah, that frozen toilet water is quite an image. Talk about freezing your butt off!

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 20:35:41 from 24.18.192.33

Actually, I did use the toilet. I figured I was doing the Parks Dept. a huge favor by getting the water running. And it flushed with such force that enough ice broke up to... never mind.

CC- Smartwool goooood.

From april27 on Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:20:54 from 99.188.251.180

Great job getting out there! One would think heating would be cheaper than fixing busted pipes...But who am I?? LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.650.000.002.508.15

17F, sunny.  VO2 workout: 3 mile warm up, 5 x .5 mile @ 5K effort (on roads) w/ 3 min. recovery,  cool down.  20 min. strength and stretching. 

We were planning a ski day before the area turned into Alaska.  Though it's too cold to enjoy the slopes, Mr. Sno took the scheduled day off anyhow. (He has a use-it-or-lose-it vacation policy at work and has a few days to "spend" before the 31st.)

After sleeping in (ahhhh),  I had plenty of time to procrastinate before my run.  It wasn't the cold so much as the workout that I dreaded.  These speed sessions are so difficult for me.  [Insert much whining here.]

Again, I am so very glad that our humidity is low. No frost, no ice, great traction. Tis the season to be jolly!  Oh, speaking of which, Mr. Sno found a hilarious (free) app for our iPhones that simulates the bell of a bell choir and rings out a Christmas song when you hold/move the phone like a bell.  What a world. 

Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 8.15
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 15:39:04 from 198.241.159.80

Good job on the speed work, in spite of the whining.

I can see your enjoying your iPhone.

From JD on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 16:27:21 from 70.96.78.157

Nice that you got to sleep in today. Good choice on calling off the ski day. I hated sitting on the chairlift in temps that cold, with the wind blowing, and the the lift stalls, ahhhhh!

From Dale on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:21:28 from 69.10.215.11

Those 5K intervals suck, but they eventually make slower paces, like MP, suck much less. And as a runner, I'm all about reducing the suckage I must endure!

I need an app that chastises me for slacking during speedwork!

From Little Bad Legs on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 18:33:45 from 67.170.153.203

Nothing wrong with dreading a workout if you eventually get it done. :) Good job!

From Kelli on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 19:46:52 from 71.219.71.229

That is a very cool application!

The pipes to my washer froze last night, it is so cold!!!

Glad you got to sleep in, sorry you did speed work (yuck, but it is over now), and sorry you missed the ski trip. Hopefully you guys had fun together today anyway!

From april27 on Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 21:03:13 from 99.188.251.180

I wish I got to go outside! I"m jealous!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.880.000.000.009.88

20F, wind 5-10 mph, wind chill 13F, clear and starry w/ waning crescent moon. Very pretty morning.  General-aerobic run. 

I decided to forgo my fleece "shorts," the layer I wear on top of my tights when it's this cold.  It's actually a pair of fleece long-underwear that I cut just above the knee for greater leg flexion. (You can cut fleece any way you want without danger of fraying.)  The skin on the front of my legs was so cold that it turned numb, but!... I got a little speed back, which felt great.  So now my mind can't stop thinking of inventing some kind of fleece thing that would protect the front of the legs but not restrict movement - sort of like cowboy chaps for runners? Fortunately, we are supposed to warm up pretty soon.  

Christmas lights are everywhere now, and I'm really enjoying them.  These displays make running in the dark so much more interesting.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 9.88
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:04:31 from 24.8.167.243

Necessity is the mother of invention. Go for it with the runners chaps!

What was your distance today? You didn't put in a value.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:40:22 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Carolyn. What would I do without you? At least I'm on the correct day! :)

From Metcalf Running on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:13:35 from 207.225.192.66

I like the thought of your fleece shorts, I might have to try this. My running tights are not as warm as I need them to be. My other running pants are a bit better, but with the conditions we have been having lately they are still not as warm as I would like. Let me know if you figure out the running chaps, I would be interested in them also. I ran around the city block with all the Christmas lights last night... it was pretty :)

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:18:48 from 24.18.192.33

If I had your temps, Lori, I would be twice as layered as I am, and I'd look like the Michelin Man tottering down the street.

If you have black tights and black fleece, and you run in dim or dark light, the shorts scarcely show. I highly recommend this. But they do slow you down just a bit.

From nicole on Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 01:29:29 from 67.170.27.155

You are so impressive going out in this! I am such a baby, I've been holing up with the treadmill. This weather is ridiculous! I did not sign up for this!

From JD on Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:23:07 from 70.96.78.157

We runners are cowboys in disguise. Giddy up!

From april27 on Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:23:18 from 99.188.251.180

Maybe if you just cut out the back of the knee? Then you would have movement and some breathability.

I think I need some sleeves for my knees. I have some fleece in the basement. I just need to make them. My knees feel all achy towards the end of a cold run

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.440.000.000.0018.44

25F, a little colder down in the valley.  Endurance run.

All the park bathrooms are now frozen.  I was clever enough to find the neighborhood Honey Buckets, but not enough to think of  - water!  No one at the club run was running my pace today anyhow, so I just headed back up the Parkway and stopped by my home for a warm bottle. Ha. That sounded funny.   

It's interesting that the "bad" weather has honed our running club down to mostly men and fast people.  I shall try not to feel too sorry for myself.

Not feeling 100% today.  Glad it was a short long run instead of a longer long run. ;)

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 18.44
Comments
From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 15:16:58 from 24.17.108.253

That is tough when there are no places to stop for water. Don't forget my in-laws...they would be happy to fuel you up.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 16:32:56 from 24.8.167.243

That other runners of your demographic are put off by the cold weather is just a testament to how tough you are.

Also, 18 miles is a short long run? I would consider that at least a medium long long run.

And we probably all need a warm bottle now and then.

From JD on Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 19:28:55 from 209.183.51.45

Not bad for a sub-100% day!

From april27 on Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:07:32 from 99.188.251.180

18 miles would be a long long run for me. LOL...

I wish we lived closer..>I think we would run well together pace wise. I had that exact problem when I ran with a group. I always ended up alone. You are strong and that is why you were out there! Great job!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.110.000.000.005.11

30F, cloudy. Recovery run.

In the ongoing saga of the Frozen Park Bathrooms, today brought a promising new development.  The "closed" signs were down, the water was running, and whirring away under the sink was a space heater!   Other bathrooms I passed (but did not enter) were missing their "closed" signs as well.   At last, a worthy expenditure of my tax dollars! 

Nice run. I'm calling it "recovery" but all the moving parts were in fine shape and I felt plenty of energy.  I give the credit to my being able to sleep late today.  

Edited to add:

 Totals for Mon-Sun week:

Mon 7.75

Tue 10.07

Wed 8.15 w/ VO2: 5 x 800m repeats

Thu 9.88

Fri off

Sat 18.44

Sun 5.11

TOTAL 59.4 miles

Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 5.11
Comments
From Little Bad Legs on Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 15:09:36 from 67.170.153.203

The Frozen Park Bathroom has been an interesting saga to read about if nothing else. :) All's well that ends well, right?

From Bonnie on Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 16:38:42 from 64.119.33.134

ahhh ... there is nothing like a warm bathroom on a cold run - SLC is famous (by me) for their warm bathrooms. But me ... I don't need no stinkn bathroom ;-) the world is my toilet (not really the whole world but hideyways pretty much anywhere will suffice).

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 21:03:19 from 24.8.167.243

Warm bathrooms are where it's at. And also sleeping in.

From Snoqualmie on Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 23:10:28 from 24.18.192.33

Bonnie - Maybe Santa should put one of these in your stocking: http://www.go-girl.com/?gclid=CPbZ0oaE1Z4CFQUMDQod_G0XtA

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:13:54 from 24.8.167.243

That is crazy, Snoqualmie. I seriously laughed out loud. Where did you find that?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:49:07 from 24.18.192.33

Someone on my Ravelry.com forum posted it. The funniest comment was one runner who said, "Oh right. I'm not going to look conspicuous at all, lined up with the guys at the roadside holding a neon pink funnel to my crotch." But my sister, who does a lot of hiking, thought it sounded great.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:57:28 from 24.8.167.243

I'm still laughing.

BTW, nice solid mileage last week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.960.000.000.007.96

33F, cloudy, occasional flake or two of snow falling, one heavy sleet shower for about 2 minutes, a bit of fog moving in.  Ice and snow on ground.  General-aerobic run.  20 min. weights. 

We got a little snow last night, and it was really slippery out there this morning, especially on the hills.  I spent my run looking for the best traction and trying to stay vertical, but it was fun and I had plenty of energy.

Some streets were terribly icy and I had to run on the grassy parking strip to survive, others were well sanded and clear with great traction.  But my favorite were the few streets where a bit more snow built up and where it was flat.  Just enough snow to be soft and have good traction, but not so much that you sink in as if it were sand, about 5/8of an inch. 

33 degrees felt so nice after the cold air we've had to endure.  I had holiday music going on my iPhone (Pandora) and the snow with the Christmas lights looked so beautiful.  A really nice run. 

Lunaracers II Miles: 7.96
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:15:06 from 24.8.167.243

It sounds like you had a fun run this morning despite the varied weather and terrain challenges. I like running on not deep (less than an inch) of freshly fallen snow.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.070.000.000.0010.07

39F, cloudy, wind 11mph, occasional light mist, slush on streets. Finished on TM in VFFs.  Core & pushups. 

The noise of a storm woke me up last night and I got up to use the bathroom.  Mr. Sno was standing outside our bedroom door looking down at the living room windows. "It's slushing hard," he said.  I thought maybe I was dreaming. "It's slushing?" Sure enough, the windows on the east side of the house were plastered with a thick layer of slush that was sagging in waves and being replaced by new slush continually.  The glow of our porch light came through, but the windows were opaque. 

By this morning the storm was past but most streets were covered with slush and it was piled up at the curbs.  This presented somewhat of a challenge, as I had to find tire tracks to run in on the quiet streets, or watch out for the frequent cars on the better traction of the main roads.  These main roads usually had a broad clear track in the middle with a 5 or 6 foot border of slush on either side, in which I frequently had to walk gingerly while waiting for cars to pass in the middle.  I love my headlamp and reflective jacket!  But slow going today. 

Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 1.80Brooks ST3 II Miles: 8.29
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12:13 from 24.8.167.243

I'm very impressed that you managed 10 miles in that stuff. Were you soaking wet by the time you got home?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:16:08 from 24.18.192.33

Nah. I stayed pretty dry by careful study of the ground - but I've got a crick in my neck. Just kidding. I did get one slushed foot when a car appeared very suddenly, near the end. Only 8.29 on the slush roads. Then I had to come home so I finished on the dreadmill.

From Metcalf Running on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:22:50 from 207.225.192.66

Nice miles for such a slushy run! Even if a couple were on the dredmill :)

From Bonnie on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:25:59 from 128.196.228.134

Wow ... that must have been a beautiful sight (last night, not this morning). Great job keeping your feet dry! You rock Sno!

From JD on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 19:00:13 from 70.96.78.157

Nice job! Ten milers...there not just for weekends anymore...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.110.004.000.009.11

42F, cloudy, wind 11 mph w/ gusts to 20. Tempo run: 3 E, 4 T on roads and hills (8:55, 8:36, 8:50, 8:49), 2+ E.   20 min. strength work. 

I managed to miss the rain by pure luck. Rain before and rain after, but no rain for me!  42F felt pretty warm. That is the first time we've been over 40 for quite a while.  

The splits aren't great but I have to give myself some credit for the hills and wind.  Even so, I don't believe I was pushing myself as hard as I did on my tempo runs last summer.  The pace without hills/wind today would probably have been 8:40 to 8:45, as opposed to the 8:30 I was shooting for last summer.  Mile 2, the fastest mile, was mostly flat with a bit of downhill for a couple of blocks.

I think I'll be ok relaxing a little on tempo runs for 2 reasons: the slightly slower pace gives me enough breath to make the work focus on lactate threshold more than VO2. In other words, legs more than lungs.  I always felt there was very little difference between my VO2 workouts and my tempo runs last summer, except for the duration of agony.  I liked thinking "this is like a 10K" instead of "this is like a 5K."  

The second reason it seemed like a better pace was that I really can make it through 4 miles without coughing up a lung afterward, and I can even believe that I will work up to longer distances.  I think the continuous tempo run will be better for me.  Last summer I had to break them up when I went over 4 miles.  

Please let me know if my thinking is in error here, blog-buddies.  I don't want to cheat myself. I just want to be more clear about the objectives of these workouts and not see them all as the same torture just dressed up with different names.  :)

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 9.11
Comments
From Dale on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:09:37 from 69.10.215.11

Hudson advocates multiple threshold paces: ~10K, HM, and MP. Plus, your tempo pace ranges are going to change depending on where you are in a training cycle. Plus plus, hills and wind definitely affect tempo paces.

Rather than getting too terribly worked up over pacing, especially early in the training cycle, go by feel. Sounds like the "feel" was about 10K, which sounds about right. As you do more of them, they should get easier at that pace (or your pace should quicken), but let that come to you rather than chasing the times too early. As long as you are worried a bit about cheating yourself, you probably won't :)

From Bonnie on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:09:40 from 64.119.33.134

Great idea Sno. I think most people run tempo runs too hard. My understanding is that they should be between 10K and 1/2 marathon pace. Or, the pace that you could run an hour comfortably hard in ... they are supposed to build stamina, not specific speed. If you feel like coughing up a lung, you are running them too hard. You should finish every workout thinking -- "that was hard, but I could do a couple more". Otherwise, you are taxing your system more than building it ... thats my 2cents anyway. So far, this approach has helped me a lot. I use to hammer my workouts, no matter what the workout I would go as fast as I could. Not only did I not improve my race times, I always felt like crap and didn't enjoy the process of training. Now I keep all my workouts within the range that Greg suggests ... and I feel good, enjoy training, and so far am making more improvements than I ever have ...

good job on the workout!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:19:52 from 24.18.192.33

Thank you, Dale and Bonnie!! Is it pathetic if you bookmark your own blog? I'm going to want to read this again. :)

From auntieem on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 13:01:10 from 67.182.145.8

I think doing it by feel is probably the best way, allows you to adjust for terrain, how you feel that day, etc. You are doing great!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 13:32:21 from 24.8.167.243

It sounds like you've gotten some good advice and I appreciate their comments as well.

Congratulations on missing the rain. But you like running in rain, don't you?

From april27 on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 13:34:39 from 99.188.251.180

Cold rain is no fun. Glad you got to miss it. I learn so much from your blog about all this threshold stuff..thanks for asking the questions!

From JD on Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 13:47:19 from 70.96.78.157

Great mileage this week!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

 Had a great day of skiing at Stevens Pass.  The snow was very good, except near the bottom where it had a little rain crust on it.  I feel like I did squats all day. 

Comments
From JD on Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 23:20:26 from 166.203.139.127

I'm glad somebody's hitting the slopes!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:45:05 from 24.8.167.243

Sounds like it was a good workout. I figured you were off skiing when we didn't hear from you yesterday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.400.000.000.007.40

48F, mostly clear and starry, windy (11-15 w/ gusts to 25).  Easy run.  20 min. strength, stretches, and Stick. 

Tired and very stiff today, but my running muscles felt ok.  I  just took it really easy and tomorrow I'm having a day off to make sure I'm fresh for a long run on Sunday.  Have a great weekend, everyone! 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 7.40
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:45:54 from 24.8.167.243

Stiffness from skiing, eh.

Have a wonderful weekend.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:37:35 from 76.22.10.204

You lucky duck! I miss going skiing...glad you had a great time.

Guess I won't see you at the club run tomorrow...rest up and have a great run on Sunday.

From auntieem on Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 18:07:16 from 67.182.145.8

So glad you had fun skiing! The snow here was surprisingly good, considering there hasn't been much new stuff for awhile. I'm going again tomorrow, but just for the afternoon.

From april27 on Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 20:24:08 from 99.188.251.180

Have a good day off tomorrow!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.101.000.000.0020.10

Mid to upper 40s F, light rain showers, windy (10 mph w/ gusts to 25).  Endurance run with 19th mile at 8:55. 

The 19th mile was a bit too fast for the marathon pace it was supposed to be.  I had a hard time settling into a 9:10 and kept getting panicky about not hitting it.  I may have been reacting to the realization I had this morning of the Napa Valley Marathon being only 11 weeks away.  For some reason I thought I had more time. And I hope to being skiing more regularly this season, which will cut into my running a bit.  

The goal for Napa is to at least run a PR (anything under 4:17), and hopefully get under 4:12 on my voyage towards a BQ (4:05) in June or in the fall.  Sometimes I think I shouldn't even set these kinds of goals, but rather should just keeping working hard, enjoying my runs, and see what happens.  Eventually I'll be so old that the BQ standard will be incredibly slow and all I really have to do is not slow down too much as I approach senility.   :)

Week summary for Mon-Sun:

Mon 7.96

Tue 10.09

Wed 9.11 w/ 4 @ T

Thu  ski day

Fri 7.4 

Sat off

Sun 20.1

TOTAL  54.66

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 20.10
Comments
From JD on Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 17:07:49 from 209.183.32.50

Another awesome running week.Your consistency is admirable.

Skiing is great cross training!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:14:08 from 24.8.167.243

Another great long run. You sure crank those things out. And I agree that the skiing is great cross training.

From Dale on Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:52:28 from 69.10.215.11

Yeah, use that skiing to build leg strength!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:34:52 from 24.17.108.253

You mean those 20 milers are fun? Way to go on that last mile! That is tough!!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:45:26 from 24.18.192.33

Any mile that does not contain speed work is fun. ;)

From Bonnie on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 13:06:20 from 128.196.228.134

Yes, but remember all those metals/trophys my dear? those were some speedy miles. I think there lurks a shorter distance racer in you Sno ;-)

From auntieem on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 15:14:19 from 67.182.145.8

Do you XC ski as well? Downhill skiing isn't great exercise, in my opinion, but XC is! And its fun too; really low impact when the legs are tired.

From april27 on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 16:23:36 from 99.188.251.180

Glad your legs are feeling better....i think a 20 miler would make me feel so tired that I would sleep for 2 days LOL...one day I wanna be like you!

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 17:30:28 from 24.18.192.33

No, I don't XC ski. Looks fun though, and very aerobic too. But I do adore downhill. There was a time, before I was a runner and when we were "dinks," when Mr. Sno and I skied at least twice a week and took a couple of ski trips every winter too. And I was pretty much a beginner back then. I loved it from the start, much like running as a matter of fact.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.510.000.000.004.51

Mid 40s, cloudy with a little wind at times.  Rain just stopped as I left home.  20 min. strength work. 

Yesterday afternoon and evening I was so sore and stiff from my run. I guess the MP mile took more than I expected it would.  I had to take some ibuprofen before bed because I was so uncomfortable and feared losing sleep.  But today's run was very pleasant, albeit slow.  

Brooks ST3 Miles: 4.51
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:20:51 from 24.8.167.243

Good timing with avoiding the wind and I think a pleasant slow run is just what the doctor ordered to handle that soreness.

From JD on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 15:00:25 from 70.96.78.157

Yeah, what she said.

From auntieem on Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 15:15:29 from 67.182.145.8

I hope that getting out there for a few slow miles helped with the stiffness. OMG, I'd be sore too if I did 20 milers every week!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.980.000.000.009.98

33F, light drizzle and snow (depending on elevation) throughout neighborhood for the first 5 miles, then sun breaks and some F - (Smiley face) - G.  Objective: General-aerobic run w/ Progression.  

Nice run.  I had the idea of doing a progression run when I decided too much of my morning had gone by and I wanted to get home a bit sooner.  Started out with a 12 minute mile, then into the 11s and the 10s and ran miles 6-9 at around 9:45. Cooldown mile at 11:30.  

Mr. Sno is off today, so 100% daylight for this runner - yay!   And nine hours of sleep.  :D  We were going to ski, but the Cascades didn't get enough snow to cover the concrete that has formed from rainy days and icy nights the past few days.   

Lunaracers II Miles: 9.98
Comments
From JD on Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 18:12:34 from 70.96.78.157

Nice run. You have some serious discipline to stop your run just 2 one hundredths shy of a 10 miler. Essentially you ran a ten miler today, but I'd go nuts without running that extra 10 seconds.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 21:24:16 from 24.8.167.243

It sounds like you really enjoyed your run. Congratulations!

I'm with JD. I would have gone the extra .02.

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 22:26:32 from 24.18.192.33

Yeah, Jefferey sometimes teases me about that. It's my "face value" policy. I have to just hit stop and live with whatever the number is; it would just make my head explode to try to make the numbers even. If I did it for one run, I would do it for all of them and end up jogging around in my driveway every morning. It's better for all concerned this way.

From april27 on Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 23:57:54 from 99.188.251.180

I can imagine you running around on your driveway. I sometimes do that if i'm almost to the next mile like that.

Nice long (for me) run and glad you got to get some vitamin D the good ol fashion way!

From Smooth on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 00:34:58 from 174.23.217.47

NICE progressive run! I just read your bio on the left. We have a lot of similar goals. I LOVE dark chocolate too!

HAPPY running and Merry Christmas!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:49:20 from 76.22.10.204

Isn't a run so much better when you can "see" where you are going? Glad you were able to run in/to daylight. Just saw Sean out running this morning(wed) at about 9 a.m. when I was leaving for work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.970.000.002.496.46

33F, cloudy, occasional flake of snow falling, all is calm all is bright (new headlamp batteries).  Objective: VO2 work (4 x 1K on roads/hills w/ 3 min recovery b/t).  20 min. strength and stretches afterwards.

I have no idea what my pace was and I don't want to know. (Suppresses urge to stick tongue out.)  Concentrated on sustained hard effort, good form, high cadence and try - oh try - to enjoy it a little. 


Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.46
Comments
From auntieem on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:33:00 from 67.182.145.8

Sounds fun! Of course you enjoyed it! I can see your happiness from here.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:39:11 from 24.8.167.243

It sounds like you enjoyed it more than a little. Nice calm bright run.

From Dale on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:59:46 from 69.10.215.11

You definitely get to enjoy the results...

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:24:56 from 24.18.192.33

Dale - that is the ONLY thing that keeps me doing these! You know that poem, "When I am old, I shall wear purple..." ? I was thinking during the 3rd rep today, "when I am old I shall never, EVER, do intervals. Tempo runs, maybe. But no intervals. I'll just run a 5K every other month or so for speed work."

From JD on Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 17:27:48 from 70.96.78.157

Competitors quake at the sight.

From Kelli on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 00:10:51 from 71.219.95.151

Not knowing your pace is a very good thing! I prefer those runs, but the TM makes me know. Another reason to hate it!

Have a very MeRrY ChRiStMaS!!!!

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 07:59:53 from 24.18.192.33

JD - Well, at least Round John Virgin. I've got him licked.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.780.000.000.009.78

32F, Clear and frosty.  Objective: general aerobic run.  Last mile on TM w/ VFFs. Ten minutes core, pushups and stretches. 

Merry Christmas! 

Brooks ST3 Miles: 8.78Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 1.00
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 13:15:22 from 97.126.137.68

Nice miles... almost 10 again!

Have a Merry Christmas!

From april27 on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 14:42:22 from 99.188.251.180

very nice miles!

Merry Christmas!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:10:41 from 24.8.167.243

'Tis the season for frosty runs.

Merry Christmas!

From JD on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 18:42:17 from 209.183.51.47

Nice runnin' this week.

Merry!

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 18:52:58 from 24.17.108.253

Merry Christmas!! Don't do any running tomorrow... just carbo-load like crazy!! Yeah, BABY - Will see you at the club run Saturday hopefully.

From Teena on Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 19:05:28 from 174.52.45.85

Merriest Christmas!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.680.000.000.0020.68

Low to mid 40s F.  Clear and HORRIBLY windy. 15-20 mph sustained and gusts to 40 mph.  Objective: endurance run and club run. 

Fun-o-meter in danger today.   

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 20.68
Comments
From Metcalf Running on Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 15:27:04 from 97.126.137.68

Wow great miles!! Sorry your fun-o-meter is in danger today. I have been feeling like that, but felt much better after my trail run today :) I'm sure this will pass!

From rattletrap on Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 15:46:39 from 24.19.93.139

Looks like you are doing GREAT in the endurance department! There's nothing easy about a 20 miler on a windy day.

From Snoqualmie on Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 15:47:18 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks, Lori. It was the wind. I kept thinking I would just cut the run short, but I seemed to be "surviving" it ok, and I just never know these days when I might *really* need to skip a long run (snow, ice), so I toughed it out. Normally, I just like to get a bit more (fun) for my money (running time).

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 16:56:39 from 24.8.167.243

Twenty miles in that wind. Wow. You are one tough woman. You keep knocking out twenty milers in amazing fashion.

From TBarlow on Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 17:32:14 from 216.194.124.36

Impressive!! Way to go!

From april27 on Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 01:25:18 from 99.188.251.180

You amaze me!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.280.000.000.005.28

Low 40sF, clear, still very windy (20-40 mph). Objective: recovery run. 

I was pretty wiped out from yesterday's run, but recovery runs always seem to end up feeling better than I think they will.  I was a bit of a wreck yesterday, and fell asleep on the couch for 1.5 hours in the afternoon.  But that didn't stop me from sleeping over 9 hours last night!  So my fun-o-meter was accurate - that was a hard run.

Two days of gale force winds have taken their toll on the neighborhood lawn ornaments. Penguins, light-up deer, and inflatable Santas were strewn around like battlefield carnage.  The last lawn penguin I came across this morning was upright, and his little flippers were held up high, ala marathon finish line, as if to proclaim, "I survived the wind!"  Me too, but with a lot less gusto. 

MON-SUN WEEK SUMMARY


Mon 4.51

Tue 9.98

Wed 6.46 w/ 4 x 1K VO2

Thu  9.78

Fri off 

Sat 20.68

Sun 5.28

TOTAL  56.69

Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 5.28
Comments
From april27 on Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 22:04:08 from 99.188.251.180

Many that is sorta how I felt today...just keep sleeping! LOL

I always have to force myself out the day after a long run. It ends up being better for your muscles. Atleast that is what I think they feel like they loosen up a bit!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 22:56:53 from 24.8.167.243

I love the penguin imagery!

I find that I'm pretty useless after a long run. Despite having slept for 9 hours on Friday night, I too fell asleep for an hour and a half on Saturday afternoon and was beat come bedtime on Saturday.

From auntieem on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:37:09 from 24.17.177.218

Wow, that crazy wind! Ours seems to have died down for the time being.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.110.000.000.009.11

40F, light rain showers, wind ~10-15 mph. Objective: easy run w/ 10 x 10 second hill sprints.  20 min. strength & stretching.

Busy day!   

Brooks ST3 Miles: 9.11
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From auntieem on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:38:40 from 24.17.177.218

Sounds like an ambitious run two days after running long. You are getting strong(er)! Two questions for you: 1. Are you coming up for Nookachamps? and 2. When is this 1/2 marathon that your community is planning for the spring?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:46:50 from 24.18.192.33

Yes, I am coming to Nookachamps! I'll be driving up that morning.

The HM is on May 1. Here is the link: http://runsnoqualmie.com/ It is called the Cinco de Mayo Mini Marathon. Sean does a great job of organizing, and has nice trophies 3 deep for age groups. Not that I have much chance at that race, and definitely not if *you* are in the running, but I still would rather have you there! :)

From JD on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:58:22 from 70.96.78.157

You are strong! You ran over 70 miles last week! (Sun - Sat).

Great start to the week. I envy your temps lately.

From Snoqualmie Ridge Runner on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:37:27 from 24.17.108.253

You just keep piling the miles on...while us mere mortals are just hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Great Job!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 15:10:46 from 97.126.137.68

Great Monday run!! Nice miles! Sounds like some fun races that you have planned.

From Dale on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 19:05:28 from 69.10.215.11

Hey, good on you for doing the hill sprints. Let me know how you think they work after you've been doing them for a while....interested to see if your experience is similar to mine.

From april27 on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 19:10:59 from 99.188.251.180

Techincal questions--does the 10x10 mean you went up 10 and down 10?

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 19:30:50 from 24.18.192.33

Thanks to all for your encouragement!

April - Ten seconds worth of sprinting uphill, ten times. The down part is just whatever you need for recovery. These are less taxing than hill repeats. They go by super fast. I'm not sure they do much (though Dale has never steered me wrong before) but it is easy to throw them into an "easy" run. Certainly can't hurt.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 22:28:51 from 66.205.215.167

Ah, hill sprints, my favorite!

From april27 on Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 09:16:37 from 99.188.251.180

Did you set your garmin to the 10 seconds?

From Snoqualmie on Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 23:21:37 from 24.18.192.33

April - No, I just got the second count in my head and glanced at the Garmin to double check when I thought I was done.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.920.000.000.006.92

35F, breezy w/ occasional drizzle. Objective: easy run.  20 min. strength work.  

I spent the day skiing yesterday and consequently am extremely tired.  Running felt good, but I definitely lacked energy. But it's nice to feel justified about moving slowly and just enjoy the mindless movement.  

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.92
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From Burt on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:46:17 from 206.19.214.144

I've never gone skiing. What muscle groups does it work? Is it aerobic?

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:04:55 from 24.18.192.33

Quads and core mostly, but I'm always feeling my upper body by the end of the day too (shoulders and triceps), from the pole-skating one must do sometimes to get to a lift. I think that, for me, it is very aerobic in 1-2 minute intervals, because of the way I ski (I like lots of short radius turns), but you can also freeze to death from not moving enough. I hear there is some good skiing up in the mountains near you.

From Burt on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:37:03 from 206.19.214.144

Flagstaff has a couple of ski resorts I guess. I tend to stay away from the snow as much as possible. That being said, we did head up to Payson on Sat. to sled down some snowy hills. It was warm and the snow wasn't very deep. I can handle that.

From april27 on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 14:54:56 from 99.188.251.180

This is completely unrelated to anything you said...but for some reason I think of you when I'm downloading recipes and stuff I can make in my food processor. I found a hummus one I'm going to try.

Are their any energy bar kind of things I can make in my food processor? It is new and I want to use it...

From JD on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 17:32:24 from 70.96.78.157

Nice post ski day run. I find justification daily in slow, mindless movement. Especially when getting out of bed. Going to work. Washing dishes. Shoveling snow. In fact, I should just put my mind in a jar of formaldehyde so it might be of some use to someone in the future, because I don't use it.

From auntieem on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 18:17:50 from 24.17.177.218

I am glad you are enjoying some skiing with your family. Aerobic or not, its good for us all to use some other muscle groups once in a while. Speaking of mindless running, that is what I'm coming to enjoy about pool running. There is no focus on scenery or terrain, so ALL the focus is on the form and meditative aspects of running.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 18:19:11 from 67.166.75.37

No justification is needed.

From Snoqualmie on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:21:36 from 24.18.192.33

April - I don't eat much hummus, because I avoid legumes. Can you make smoothies in it? We make 2-3 smoothies a day in our Vitamix. Look on YouTube for "smoothies." There are a ton of video recipes.

From april27 on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 17:24:10 from 99.188.251.180

I'm not suppose to put ice in it. I have a blender so I make smoothies with that. but that is usually during the summer.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.960.000.000.006.96

40F, thin cloud layer w/ lots of moonlight coming in. (Blue moon tonight, second full moon in one month.) VERY slow run. Brief core workout w/ pushups. 

Legs? Hello? Hello?  ....They're not home. Well, as lackluster as my last run of 2009 turned out to be, I am WAY over any previous year's mileage so I can sail into 2010 with my head held high.  The highest annual  mileage I ever had before was 1,924 and I'm over 2,400 for this year!  I left an enthusiastic message about it for my legs, for whenever they decide to come back. 

ETA: just received this link to a video overview of SoftStar mocs that I wanted to share with you all: http://www.youtube.com/user/softstarshoes#p/a/u/0/LW6p2tVBwH4  These are the best! 

Brooks ST3 II Miles: 6.96
Comments
From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:25:32 from 67.186.209.5

Awesome mileage for the year, and a blue moon to boot! I hope your legs are enjoying themselves, wherever they are.

Happy New Year!

From Carolyn in Colorado on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 16:53:31 from 67.186.209.5

I hope you get some SoftStar shoes!

From april27 on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 17:35:37 from 99.188.251.180

Yes if you get the shoes you will need to tell us what you think of them!

Great mileage!

From JD on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 21:41:47 from 166.128.190.173

Great running year! High mileage, 3 marathons, 3 halfs, and a smattering of other races, all those early mornings in all weather conditions. You truly are a great runner! Happy New Year!!

From auntieem on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 21:44:42 from 24.17.177.218

I can't wait to see the moon tonight! It was pretty spectacular early this morning. Are your legs still tired from skiing? Happy New Year!

From TBarlow on Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 23:18:29 from 216.194.124.36

Congratulations on your yearly mileage! That is such a big accomplishment!

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 01:07:49 from 24.18.192.33

I have a pair of Softstars, but I haven't run much in them. I think they are great for conditioning the feet during all those non-running moments of your day. Extremely comfortable!

JD - You make me sound pretty cool. Thanks! (Note to self, read daily to remind myself I am cool.)

A-Em - No soreness. And no moon. Just rain.

Happy New Year, all!

From Little Bad Legs on Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 02:13:20 from 67.170.153.203

With that much mileage in 2009, I'm certain 2010 will be a great year!

Happy New Year!

From Bonnie on Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 11:41:56 from 64.119.33.134

Happy New Year!!! The moon was just spectacular!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2207.11148.5144.8044.442444.86
Blue Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 11.54Red Nike Structure Triax 11 Miles: 250.73Nike Lunar Racer Miles: 174.99Nike Span 5 Miles: 12.70Blue Nike Triax 12 Miles: 446.24Brooks ST3 Miles: 716.02Saucony Progrid Ride Miles: 48.51Triax 12 II Miles: 102.00BF Miles: 4.48Vibram Five Fingers KSO Miles: 15.19Brooks ST3 II Miles: 458.28Lunaracers II Miles: 116.63Softstar Moccasins Miles: 1.00Mizuno Wave Universe 3 Miles: 32.19Sockwa Aquasocks Miles: 1.00Saucony Fastwitch 3 Miles: 24.85
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