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Location:

San Antonio,TX,

Member Since:

Dec 13, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K PR - 18:01 - Nov '14

10K PR - 38:37 (workout) - Oct '14

Half-marathon - 1:22:43 - Jan '14

Marathon - 2:58:43 in Boston! - Apr '13

50 mile - 7:49:30 (2nd) - Nov '15

Short-Term Running Goals:

- Balance

- Run more trails, volunteer, more social running, run with a team

- Race a lot more.  learn.

Race results / possible schedule:

Apr 2 - Hells Hills 25k trail - 4th

Apr 9 - Toughest 'n Texas 20-mile Trail - 2nd

May 7 - Paleface - Trail Marathon - 3rd

May 29 - American Hero road 25k - 2nd

Jun 25 - Pedernales Falls 30k nighttime Trail - 5th (sick)

Jul 16 - Muleshoe Bend 30k nighttime Trail - 3rd

Jul 23-24 - Fossil Valley 9-hour nighttime Trail - 2nd

Aug 6 - Colorado Bend 30k nighttime Trail - 4th

Aug 27 - Reveille Peak 30k nighttime Trail (entered)

Sep 10 - Franklin Mountains 50k (entered - not all-out effort...I hope)

Sep 17 - Lighthouse Hill 20-mile trail (entered)

Sep 24 - J&J 50 mile trail

Long-Term Running Goals:

Compete in a few more ultras without going off course (again)

Sub-18 in a 5k

One.  Good.  Marathon.

Personal:

I started running at age 30, in late 2009.  I have 2 daughters (10 and 8 yrs old).

  

 

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Saucony A5 Lifetime Miles: 1054.70
Kinvara 2 - Gray/red Lifetime Miles: 1551.08
Kinvara 3 - Gray/red Lifetime Miles: 1244.23
1160s Lifetime Miles: 888.70
Saucony A5 Red Lifetime Miles: 565.10
Saucony A6 - Yellow Lifetime Miles: 214.00
Saucony A6 - Red/blue Lifetime Miles: 61.50
NB MT101 Trail Lifetime Miles: 302.00
Fastwitch 6 Red #1 Lifetime Miles: 286.50
Fastwitch 6 Red #2 Lifetime Miles: 267.00
Race: Fort Sill 10K (6.29 Miles) 00:39:11, Place overall: 7, Place in age division: 2
Slow milesFast milesTotal Distance
2.476.298.76

61F, 88%, overcast.  Meh, I give myself 4 out of 10 on this one.  Not quite where I want to be, but given the course/conditions, my highest mileage week in awhile and recent lack of track workouts, it was ok.

1 - 6:05 - First mile was flat.  I committed to sub-38 pace for mile 1 to see how it felt.  It didn't knock me out but I started to get the feeling another 5 miles like that was too much to ask.

2 - 6:21 - This mile was on rocky gravel roads and had one nasty uphill, but the effort level probably equaled mile 1.

3 - 6:02 - Back on roads, and got back some of the climb from last mile with a little bit of downhill.

4 - 6:33 - Wow.  I mean this was a net uphill of 30 feet, but still, I was starting to lose it.  Good news is I caught up to Army guy, who was in 6th, and we both started pushing each other.  He would pass me on the uphills and I would pass him going down.  We would stay within a few feet of each other until the end; it really kept me motivated trying to keep up.

5 - 6:27 - Still feeling weak but battling Army guy kept me at least pushing a bit.  Miles 4 and 5 were on the Howitzer trail which had a bunch of annoying ups and downs.  I can try to blame that but the truth is the fitness was not quite there.  In general, you probably shouldn't be going slower than your HM pace on a 10k.

6 - 6:09 - He picked up the pace and I followed.  I was surprised I was able to find that gear, and saw that sub-39 was a real possibility.

6.29 - 1:34 (5:29 pace) - I thought I was going to catch him but just as I was within a couple feet of him, my legs went Julia Lucas on me and he ran away.  I saw the finish line clock tick past 39 minutes.  Boooo!

Polling a couple other people, the average was about 6.3 miles on the Garmins - anywhere from 6.28 to 6.33 miles....hmmm.  My overall AP was 6:14 by my Garmin, enough to get my B goal of sub-39, but I can't really count it based on GPS alone, even if the course was potentially a little long....we'll have to stick with 39:11 which is still a small PR.

I think I have to face facts and realize I can no longer just take huge chunks of time off my PRs anymore.  It's going to get harder and harder to drop time, which I knew would happen.  I just wish I could've had a stronger showing to make me feel better about some of my goals.  The good news is the racing season is just starting down here, and I usually peak in the Spring (Boston?)

Saucony A5 Miles: 8.76
Weight: 0.00
Comments
From Jason D on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:07:39 from 64.134.196.192

Sorry the race didn't go as planned, Joe. Although Garmins can be off, I don't think they are egregiously so. We don't record short course times as PRs why do we want to record long courses as PRs? It's a great workout after two days of rest after a medium long run and high miles, racing at a distance that you dislike!

I'm no expert but I think your 20 mile long run is a better indicator of fitness for your goal marathon. I hear you about PRs. When you start to hit solid times they don't come every race.

From flatlander on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:18:09 from 76.31.26.153

Terrific pace even if you weren't all that happy with it. Sounds like they have some pretty fast people there. I think Garmins are more accurate than course directors give them credit for, and I'm guessing the distance you measured is the correct one. I have gotten to the point where I take the published course length for marathons (amazingly, they all come out to 26.22), but everything else is strictly minutes per mile in terms of deciding how well I did.

From flatlander on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:19:17 from 76.31.26.153

By the way, I'm guessing you are on a plateau right now -- I think you have several really decent PRs left.

From ACorn on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:04:51 from 24.2.76.146

Great race! I agree with flat, definitely more PRs ahead.

From Burt on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 15:20:52 from 174.234.4.177

Great job Joe. I'll draw you a graph of PR's versus time.

From SlowJoe on Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 20:12:41 from 69.131.141.92

Jason - good point. I guess to be conservative. Thanks for the perspective - my endurance (hence the tempo during the 20-miler) is better than the rest of my game

Flat - yep, some kind of plateau, but thanks for the POV. When I look back, I see 6:24 on a flat course a year ago, and 6:14 today on a hilly course. Hard to argue the results.

ACorn - Sucks to be almost 34, trust me! But I agree I do have some room to get better

Burt - I hope there are colors. I think you'll see a nice paraboloid approaching my limits...

From derhammer on Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 10:44:56 from 70.113.106.189

Nice job Joe! Yes, more work and the gains are smaller. Think of elites who train as hard as they do for a 1 minute PR, or even hundredths of a second for sprinters.

It is not necessarily your age but how many years you have been running consistently. I think since you have not been running that long you still have a lot of room to improve and get faster. Just as an example, Michael Woo didn't hit his 2:48 PR until he was 47 in 2008, and his first sub 3 was in 1999. Took him 9 years to get under 2:50. He ran many 2:50's over those years, almost always one or two minutes faster. But I do think we all reach a level where the huge PR's don't come anymore.

BTW, he didn't start running until he was 35. So you will get there for sure - you have plenty of time.

From Neil on Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 13:35:25 from 97.121.45.228

Solid performance. As others have stated, you're still on track for some huge PRs. You just need everything to line up properly now. When we first start running it was just a matter of showing up. Now it's contingent upon weather, sleep, nutrition, stress levels, mental toughness, etc. Makes it that much sweeter when the planets align. Keep it up!

From Jake K on Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 15:56:48 from 67.177.11.154

A PR is still a PR. The faster you get, the harder it is to really chop them down in big chunks. Be glad that you are moving in the right directions. You'll be in the 38 next time around.

From Dan on Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 18:44:33 from 24.209.83.20

I love PR's... even the 1 second ones. Nice work Joe, I honestly think you have many more right ahead of you!

From I Just Run on Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:03:04 from 67.79.11.242

I don't think your assessment of accomplishment is correct. You've been running lots of miles but not training for a 10K and you didn't really taper properly for this race. If you had prepared for this race properly by simply tapering a little more, your legs would have felt great and you would have PR'd by by a huge amount. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and smile a little .... luv you Joe :-)

From SlowJoe on Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:34:28 from 155.219.241.10

thanks for the comments all. This post was definitely a little whiny. At least I am still improving overall, even if it's in small pieces, and not in a straight line.

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