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Location:

Sequim,WA,USA

Member Since:

Apr 21, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Age Division Winner

Running Accomplishments:

5K - 25:11

10K - 53:01

1/2 Marathon 2:22:57

2 mile - 10:18 (1971)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Stay healthy, keep up with son, run when I can, improve running times

Long-Term Running Goals:

Keeping running as long as I can. Do a marathon

Personal:

Have a 11 year old boy (Falcon) who loves to run and runs in the USATF Nationals.  Im 55 years young.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Slow milesFast milesTotal Distance
5.500.005.50

Hiked at work 5 miles so Ill count that as 1.5 miles

Biked at PT 3.5 miles so Ill count that as 1.5 miles

Gentle run at Alexanders practice 2.5 miles. I quit (as doctor said) when started to feel pain. If I just go easy - nice slow short steps it is OK, but if I run with larger stride, speed or quick turn, there is too much pain.

Maybe this was more than I should do today, but thats just the way it worked out - I had to be on the trail for work, needed to do bicycle at PT, I didnt have to run at Alexanders practice but wanted to do a little and the running on the grass seemed more gentile. I wont do much tomorrow.

Went to my doctor @2pm - he basically went over the MRI report. Emphasized the thinning of cartlidge in left hip, bone has a "cyst" which meant even less cartlidge there, arthritus, said I shouldnt be running and emphasized that I should do other exercise instead of running (if I didnt want hip replacement later). Basically he alarmed the heck out of me and I was worried Id have to quit running. Not sure what his knowledge is in this expertise (you can tell he wasnt a runner with his knowledge and being very overweight). He did get me referal to sports medicine specialist. Also gave me info on taking "glucosamine" for Osteoarthritus - particular brand is from a German company called "Rotta". Anyone know anything about this and effects? Also recommended taking calcium. Anyone know anything about that too and its effects?

Went to PT @3pm. Did my bicycling, weight exercises and ice treatment - all of which felt OK and seemed to help. Have insert for one foot. In his opinion one of my feet may be longer and that can effect running. Need to get it measured, I was told by sports medicine specialist the only way to really do that is with xrays and that it needs to be more than 1/4" differance to be effecting you. Anyone have any advise here?

Went to 3rd appt with sport medicine specialist @4pm. He was young guy and told me better news (at least what I wanted to hear). His opinion was that it was more of a IT band problem and that the arthritus, bone spur, cartlidge thinning was fairly common and just part of my normal aging. Some of his recommendations: 1) Reduce amount of running for now. If there is pain - dont run 2) Running injuries greatly increase if doing more than 20-25 miles per week (at least for more casual runners like me) 3) No more than 10% increase per week in miles (Ive read that before, maybe my big increase of miles in Washington was a factor leading to problem) 4) Avoid speedwork and hills for now 5) Take every other day off (at least for more casual runners like me - Im sure the 3 races in 4 days at Labor Day was a contributing factor) 6) Look at getting different shoes - at least finding one that is better for my foot  with stability control, more cushioning for me(have slight pronation) Any suggestions on shoe brand/model?7) Better management of my shoes - i.e replacing sooner, keeping track of mileage. Any advise here - how often do people rotate shoes and replace? 8) Keep the PT going, keep the stretching, icing 9) Alternative cross-training, he suggested spmething called a aquajogger belt that you use in water that sort of floats you and you can keep the running movement. Anyone have knowledge on this?        

Was frustrated a little with what doctor said and the differances of the 3 appointments - I hope and I need to get them to talk to eachother so I can get get the best overall opinion. My plans right now are for only gentle running on a periodic basis and probably no races until Im not sure when. For alternative conditioning Im not much into swimming (ie staying alive in the water) because of time to get to pool, clorination etc. but will look into the aquajogger. Nor am I much of a bike person because of traffic but maybe I can do some on trail like Jordan River or the machine. I dont mind walking and can do that. Any other ideas? 

Will continue with PT. Have changed my attitude - was concerned before of doing stretches in non-home/non-run places but Ive started doing them at work and even got on floor while waiting at doctors office - Its my body and life so who cares what the strangers think. Also brought ice bag to use at work. Really need to work on my diet - when I get stressed I really go for the sweets (ie being disappointed I cant run) . I think my joints would have alot less pain if I can loose a bunch of weight. This will take a big attitude adjustment and mental adjustment - but Im thinking of and starting ideas. Any ideas of eliminating the sweet tooth?

Also need to work on right achilles which may be causing mme to run wrong with left foot. It is often stiff and tender after running. Sports medicine specialist also recommended need for working on better balance which effects running (I have lousy balance at times). Any ideas for achilles or balance improvement? he also recommended a foam roller (I already had ordered one a few days ago)

Looks like if  I want to run it will take more time and dedication. I know I got the motivation, but finding the time will take more of an effort (it takes time for all this PT, stretching, iceing, alternative conditioning). Ill find a way to keep my running dreams alive

Estimated mileage on shoes: 102                

 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00
Comments
From Breanna on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 12:39:36

Michael-

I put about 400 miles on my shoes, but if you have two pairs of shoes that you rotate then they will last longer.

From Chad on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 12:41:54

Michael: lots of info in your entry and definitely a lot to have on your mind. As athletes, we never want to hear that we should decrease doing what we love to do. It's painful advice, but sometimes necessary. It sounds to me like there is probably a combination of biomechanical factors at work for which your body is trying to compensate. The body is a machine that requires all the parts to be working just right. It may be time to look at a more global approach to running form. There is a book called ChiRunning (see the fastrunning blog store) that emphasizes biomechanicaly correct and pain-free running. In short, running from your core, rather than relying on your legs to do all the work. I think there are some valuable concepts in there. Anyway, just to add a couple of thoughts on some of your questions: for crosstraining, try swimming. Like you, I'm no swimmer. But when I had ankle problems this summer, it became a huge relief and something I started to look forward to after I re-learned something resembling proper technique. Also, yoga may be useful to open up your hips. It is amazing how many sports injuries are related to tightness in the mid torso. When I had severe IT band syndrome after the Wasatch 100 years ago, yoga was a key ingredient in getting my hips to "unlock." The foam roller is also essential for treating IT band. For balance, a wobble board may be useful.

The doc is right on choosing proper shoes. I run most of my miles in the Asics Kayano, but there are many shoes that provide good cushioning and stability. You should probably choose a shoe with a medial post to stop the roll of the foot. An orthotic is another option to consider, or a decent over the counter insole like SuperFeet or PowerStep (which I wear). Don't underestimate the power of the shoes and rotate them often. I replace shoes or relegate them to occasional trail runs after 350-400miles. So I change shoes more than most, but I think it's a good thing to do. A specialty running store like Wasatch Running Center will help you choose the right shoe. Ask for Brad or Darryl.

Listen to your body as much as you listen to the doctors. Do what you feel comfortable with, not what you feel you "should." You're in it for the long haul and you want to be healthy as long as possible.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 12:51:43

I think the young sports medicine guy gave you the most reasonable advice. I would have to disagree with him on the injury rate over 20 miles a week. Properly done, high mileage reduces injury rate. Sporadic and impulsive high mileage increases it. Same for taking days off from running. I cannot see how running 6 miles 3 days a week could be less damaging than running 3 miles 6 days a week, it would be the other way around - the sudden stress of the six mile run on the muscles and bones produced by a nervous system that is anxious to run, but forgot how to do it right, will be a lot more damaging than more frequent 3 mile runs done with a more relaxed nervous system that still remembers how to run from the day before. Cross-training is a good idea when your energy levels, fuel capacity, aerobic conditioning, and the neural drive exceed the running limits imposed by some bottleneck in your body. I would try the elliptical before anything else.

Moderation is a good idea - keep things sane and reasonable, you should be OK, the body has a tendency to heal itself.

Regarding sweet tooth - there a lot of things out there that are naturally sweet. You cannot possibly eat too much of them, your hunger for sweetness will be satisfied quickly, and you will receive other nutrients in balance. It is the stuff that is unnaturally sweet that perverts our sense of taste and tricks us into accepting things into our bodies that should not be there in those proportions. So stick to foods that are naturally sweet - dried dates, honey, bananas, etc.

From Brent on Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 23:38:57

Michael, Chad and Sasha have great running wisdom. I agree with Sasha on the weekly miles. If you slowly build up your miles, sometimes it takes years, you can handle higher miles when over 50 years old. But, running every other day works for many runners if they cross train the other days. My wife only runs 3 days a week and can manage 4 hour marathons. I have a running friend doing the Chi thing. He is trying it at St. George and not wearing a watch. I would consider some Joint Flex type product, it works for me. Rotating shoes is a must. I rotate 4 pairs of shoes and usually get 500 to 600 miles. But, after 500 them become my treadmill shoes for the last 100. Don't follow my miles on shoes, some people stop running in shoes at 300 or less. Much of this depends on how quick you break down the shoes.

Good luck, glad to see Chad and Sasha responded. Running is such an individual thing, what works for me, may not work for you, etc.

Lastly, as I mentioned before, be careful with the hype of races, do what you can handle. It is sometimes tough reading the workouts of the top runners on the blog or other runners who have been at the sport for sometimes decades. Why can't I do the same? Follow your own running trail.

From Lybi on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 00:15:17

Hang in there Michael! We are all pulling for you!

The last time James was seriously injured, he poured a lot of energy and effort into improving his diet. He was much less frustrated once he had something to work on that would improve his running. He ended up losing 30 lbs (and has kept it off)! He used online Weight Watchers. Since then, he has been SO much less prone to injury. So it turns out that the injury/recovery period helped him become a better runner in the end.

Now it is time for Sasha to say that Weight Watchers is stupid...:)

From Michael on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:21:48

Thanks - really appreciate the feedback, it really helps and the blog is great. Yes its probably a combination of things I need to work on/with. I probably was trying to do too much. Ive always been a stong hiker so I thought I could do things easier but then I probably didnt take into account as much as I should that running is differant, my age, my weight. Not sure if the blog influenced me to run more than I was ready. I think the blog was more inspiration and I just found that running was something I really liked that was good for me. Too bad I didnt stick to running earlier, I had our high school record for the 2 mile but that was 40 years ago almost.

Ive ordered some of the stuff - Chirunning book, aquajogger belt, wobble board, foam roller. They used the foam roller on my IT band yesterday at PT and it was very painful. I stopped by Wasatch Running and met with Brad - he was great and took alot of time to get a better shoe for me - larger size (I was wearing too small), more cushioning and better stability. Will start doing a better job rotating shoes and keeping track of its miles

Once Im more healed will come with a more reasonable running schedule and work on improvement and increases slower. Will do more cross-training as I can. Am working on my diet too. I think loosing some weight will really help in the long run. Thanks again for sharing your ideas

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:49:49

Yes, Lybi - one should be able to watch his own diet without paying some organization a fee.

From Chad on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 13:00:13

Michael, good to see how proactive you're being.

One more note, on the sweet tooth: a little bit of dark chocolate (i.e.,70%) goes a long way. The science suggests that in moderation it is also quite good for you. I like it straight, but melting a bit and putting it on blueberries is also great. Pitting strawberries, putting in a little dark chocolate and baking for a few min at 350 is also a good treat.

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