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Logan,UT,USA

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Dec 15, 2009

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PRs after age 40:

 

5k     15:15  Running of the Leopards.

8k      22:21  Alta Death Dash

10k   33:02    Des News

Half Marathon      1:10  Timp Half

Marathon        2:32    Ogden

First solo R2R2R Bass Trails Grand Canyon 

First R2R2R Grand Canyon Toroweap Overlook

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Not be fat all year

Long-Term Running Goals:

Smell the dirt, feel the mountain, taste the wind.

Personal:

 

"Our legs are tight, our feet are flying, and we are gliding over the roll of the land. The sun is up, the air is fresh, the stone is old, and we are free and at peace. The clock has stopped because another time has taken over." C. Bowden

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Solo night R2R run.  This trail is one of those runs that just freaks you out a little it’s so far away from everything and in such amazing country that it’s almost surreal.  You have to stop every now and then and pinch yourself to make sure that you are actually running on one of the coolest trails in the world.  I was on a work overnight in Phoenix and had wanted to get in a R2R before the canyon got too hot.  In October Rob introduced me to the Grand Canyon with a R2R2R run and it was such a cool experience that I wanted to see if at least one direction could be done on a long overnight.  I also wanted to see how it would be to run shorter, with a quicker pace and get an idea of what it would take to make an attempt at the trail record.  R2R is one of the most contested FKT in the nation, with the fastest times usually being set by ultra runners who hold national wins on major races.  I hoped to see a little bit more of what it takes to run a hard trail like this a bit faster.

After landing in Phoenix in the evening I caught a ride over to Falcon Field to pick up the small plane I was flying to the canyon.  I roughly figured I’d land at the Grand Canyon Airport on the South Rim and take the courtesy car to the trailhead and catch the first Rim Shuttle back in the morning.  As I was loading gear in the plane one of the instructors asked where I was going and after explaining it all, he was totally into it.  So I asked him to come along and drop me off at the North Rim, camp the night, and pick me up at the South Rim.  It would be the perfect scenario.  I was surprised when he was stoked to do it, as long as he could log the flight hours and if I would buy him breakfast!  This changed everything and I went back inside and pulled out the maps and called the NPS for a clearance into the canyons CFR airspace since we would be heading to the North Rim.  This can take days, so it was unusual to get everything done in an hour, one more good thing about doing this in the spring.  We loaded up and headed for the canyon.  We came around the North edge where it looked like there was a great landing spot just a mile or so from the trailhead.  I hopped out and within a couple of minutes he was gone and I was standing there alone.  It felt a bit sudden and could I say nervous?  Pretty dark night and I’ve only done a few night long trail runs, nothing this remote.  It actually took some time to convince myself that this was no longer than any other distance run I do any time of the year. 

I had decided to go North to South as before because I knew the trail, water locations, could deal with airspace issues, and wouldn’t have to deal with 30 degree temps coming up the North Rim in the morning.  Also I could decide at the Colorado River if I wanted to run South Kaibab instead of Bright Angel which is the trail most guys shoot for the record on.  It would also give me an idea of water planning since the North water is turned on last in the year.  I started down the North Rim pretty quick to bank some time, but after only two miles slowed down when it became obvious that going solo meant you had to be more careful.  Sure enough, the first water stop by the cabin was turned off and I began to figure I may not find water until Phantom Ranch.  No problem, I had a water bottle and it was a pretty cool night.  I kind of got into the groove the next hour or so and came to Cottonwood before I realized it.  I had caught up with two R2R runners here who were stopping to rest and when we saw that the water was still not on, they gave me a small water bag which refilled my bottle.  Sweet!  Then I had to just get going again and was able to pick up the pace for a while.  It was just amazing running.  So different to be alone.  I decided to go up Bright Angel because I knew that there was no water on Kaibab and the water thing had made me a bit nervous.  But at Phantom Ranch the water was on and I refilled again even though I hadn’t used that much through the last stretch.  Now the climbing was starting and I was already feeling it in my legs.  I just wanted to run the whole thing tonight, no power hiking or walking!  The time just kind of clicked away and I found myself climbing the last steep sections of the South Rim before long.  Just as planned, which never happens for me, I found the courtesy car in the parking lot with Steve asleep in it and we drove the 6 miles to the airport and flew back to Phoenix.  I was so freaking tired but couldn’t sleep at all.  It was that neat a run. 

Oh, and the time?  Just over 4 hours and 10 minutes.  About 40 minutes slower than the FKT.  Those guys are incredible.  It's a fact I will never cover trails at any speed close to what Ultra guys can.

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Comments
From jtshad on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 15:52:34 from 204.134.132.225

You continue to amaze me! What a great run, man you are strong! I am just at a loss...incredible 2 months of running for you.

When are you planning Hell's Canyon and where?

Tetons? Do you mean Grand Teton? Not really a running trail! How about Mt. Borah in Idaho instead?

From Jake K on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 15:59:53 from 155.100.226.54

That is so freaking cool. Dropoff at the north rim and just run back. Incredible run. What a great adventure (and that's a killer time for the run, too).

From Chad Robinson on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 16:05:53 from 50.73.39.89

Not to mention a little event in Ogden this Saturday. Fantastic job!

From Fritz on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 16:18:59 from 65.116.116.6

perfect warm up for Ogden. Awesome run!

From Superfly on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 16:33:20 from 74.211.21.81

Sweet! What a set up! Next time your doing that fly into St. George and pick me up. Sounds heavenly.

From RileyCook on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 16:45:02 from 65.130.70.180

Steve, that sounds crazy and super fun. I would love to run R2R one of these days. Good luck on Saturday!

From Steve on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 18:54:22 from 66.87.114.255

Jeff, thanks. It must have been a year ago Rob told me that most serious runners know their fitness, health, and limitations better than any doctor ever could. Just that we pay so much attention to that. I think about that all the time. This year I'm running what's fun, regardless of what the usual training says. Hell, I'm old enough to know what works.

Hells Canyon in the fall, much bigger than Grand Canyon. Same route the Striders club up there does, the long one. Yes, your Tetons. You can run them...

Jake, it was super slow, but I'll take it, and yes its so nice be dropped off and picked up! Anybody have ideas for some sweet trail to do this kind of thing on again, let me know! I'll get a plane and we can chip in on gas.

From Steve on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 18:55:19 from 66.87.114.255

Riley, you running the half?

From RileyCook on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 19:00:36 from 65.130.70.180

I am indeed running the half, so I'll see you up there. Should be way fun.

From Jake K on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 19:09:02 from 67.182.215.126

Steve I just realized, when reading this, that since I'm planning to run TOU Marathon this fall and then "shut it down" for a bit, things like R2R2R are definitely in the cards for this fall. I'd love to run that.

The Teton circumnavigation is also something I am interested in. We could probably beat the FKT for that one. Andrea and I are going to be up there July 20-25 and w/ low amounts of snow this year, I bet it will be in good running shape by that point.

From Steve on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 20:53:17 from 12.218.63.2

Jake, that would be great. This is a clip from FKT Proboards, a quote from the current fastest time (short trail). It has some funny stuff, but your comment about squeezing it in reminded me of what he said about how we are all usually partway dead when we run this anyway.

"A year later (11/10/2007) Dave Mackey ran 6h59m56s. Mackey reported being held up for several minutes on his ascent back up the South Kaibab by a mule train. Mackey's record held for about 4 years before being broken by Dakota Jones who ran 6h53m38s on Nov. 5, 2011. Jones reported on his blog as follows: "...Mackey was held up for several minutes during his record run on the way back up the South Rim by a mule train. A similar thing happened to me, except that instead of a mule train I was held up by being astoundingly tired. I ran hard, but never felt like I was approaching my comfort zone until the final climb, when I entered the suffer zone and then fell into the abyss of despair. From the few reports I have read as well as my own two experiences running the Double Crossing, two facts seems to be permanent for all runners: 1.) Nobody goes into it rested. Everybody just runs the Grand Canyon as a training run, or in between races, or when getting back into shape. Nobody trains and tapers specifically for the Grand Canyon. 2.) You're going to blow up on the ascent back to the South Rim. Stop deluding yourself - it's going to happen. You can't avoid it. However, I will stick my neck out and say that a fit and rested runner who finds the Canyon in good condition could significantly lower the time. My prediction is that within five years the men's record will be under six hours. Go ahead - call me out on that. It will happen."

Jones also reported the following splits: River(49m), North Rim(3h22m), River(5h12m), South Rim(6h53m38s).

All those times are for the R2R2R of course, and the shorter Kaibab route.

From Paul on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 20:59:10 from 71.208.124.216

WOW! Although you didn't get a time record, certainly that is a record for "coolest logistics" (if there were such a thing). All I can say is, "Nice!"

From Cody on Tue, May 15, 2012 at 21:12:30 from 67.177.0.196

That is awesome! Its pretty tricky to run that fast at night, plus its pretty late in the season (hot). You could go much faster still. That said, I am so jealous of the logistics you had set up for this run. Super Awesome (I said that already).

From Jake K on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:03:50 from 155.100.226.54

I think we should do the Teton run. Andrea and I were looking at the elevation profile last night, it doesn't look nearly as brutal as those R2R2R descents. Plus, the grizzly bears provide some motivation to keep moving fast!

From Steve on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:34:10 from 66.87.66.45

Whats a link for the run you are looking at?

From Jake K on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:40:39 from 155.100.226.54

This one:

http://fastestknowntime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=west&action=display&thread=37

From Superfly on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:57:50 from 74.211.21.81

I'm saying a late October or early November R2R2R trip is a must this year. Get like 10 guys together... it'd be a hoot.

From Jake K on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:01:17 from 155.100.226.54

Agree on that! R2R2R with the last mile all-out.

From Steve on Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:32:35 from 66.87.66.45

Wow, that is quite a route. I'd love to run that, big hills done by mile 15, the steepest climb 4,000 feet in 10 miles, and soft trails. I question if its doable in October though, reaching almost 10,000 feet. That FKT is insane. I believe he won the Wasatch 100 last year. That's what I mean by trail speed I will never hit.

I'm in for the R2R2R late October. That would be perfect. Getting a group together like that would be a once in a lifetime kind of thing. It's possible I could get some sponsorship for that kind of thing to cover some gas, food etc.

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