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Dec 15, 2009

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PRs after age 40:

 

5k     15:15  Running of the Leopards.

8k      22:21  Alta Death Dash

10k   33:02    Des News

Half Marathon      1:10  Timp Half

Marathon        2:32    Ogden

First solo R2R2R Bass Trails Grand Canyon 

First R2R2R Grand Canyon Toroweap Overlook

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Not be fat all year

Long-Term Running Goals:

Smell the dirt, feel the mountain, taste the wind.

Personal:

 

"Our legs are tight, our feet are flying, and we are gliding over the roll of the land. The sun is up, the air is fresh, the stone is old, and we are free and at peace. The clock has stopped because another time has taken over." C. Bowden

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Off day.  Hung out with family today and just relaxed.  I took the dog out for a three mile shakeout run and seems that I survived that week of running.  Last week was about 106 miles and some pretty decent workouts.  The formost goal is always to keep just out of the injury range at my age and I have managed that.  I'm still 6 lbs over race weight and it looks like that's a benefit that I just won't be able to realize this marathon.  It's actually kind of cool to know that it's still in my back pocket as a gain I can get in the next few months.  If I had any kind of discipline I would just get it done.

I am still thinking through the training run from yesterday.  I gained a lot from that run mentally and maybe not so much that can be used to improve my running as just understanding about what marathoning is about.  Just a few thoughts that have been bouncing around my skull:  First, I don't think that it's uncommon for  me to run a bit faster in some races than I have the talent for.  It has led to some crashes.  I think that most guys that I end up running next to across the finish line are much fitter and possess more God given ability.  They certainly run with better form and are more consistant race to race.  Every runner who feels that he or she takes this sport seriously must wonder at times, whether they run from ability, training or can just take more pain on a certain day.  I can't say that I've figured that out, or expect to, but it was a new experience for me to run under effort and have a chance to consider what could be done different.

Second, is the look at speed training for a marathon.  FRB gives you the opportunity to see what guys do to train for some real marathon speed.  There are some times here that I'll never touch and I love the work of looking at how they do it.  There are also some folks who really know their stuff as far as physiology goes.  I've been wondering something and bouncing it around for a while.  I'm only two years into the marathoning and would appreciate any opinions on this.  It seems to me that the 10 mile distance Tempo run is the Holy Grail for a marathon.  If you spend several months working that pace down with the right kind of training to what you feel is the maximum training effort that you can do it at, you have reached a pretty valuable number.  The real work for training should be to get faster at this distance.  It's the information and tool to carry with you on race day.  Running race distances under the half marathon you will go under this pace since your effort level is higher.  In a marathon, you can hit it even if you are running 26 since you are willing to hang out there farther.  It's your "care" number, if you will.  You can run it in a marathon, or even run under it a couple of seconds a mile, but you will pay a price one way or another. 

If you drop even as little as 5 to 7 seconds below that pace in the first 13 miles, you are going to pay the price seriously the second half.  You never gain time in the first half of a marathon, you only create potential problems.  So, if you are looking to run a marathon 3-5 minutes faster than your 10 mile speed you better look to running that in the last 11 miles.

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Comments
From Rob Murphy on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 08:09:11 from 24.10.248.6

OK, I'll wade in here...

1. What is your basis for thinking you lack talent compared to those around you in a race? I always felt you had plenty of talent and I think your running history makes that pretty clear.

2. I've never noticed any obvious flaws in your form. Also, judging anyone's form at the end of a marathon is not the best.

3. The three most important elements in marathon training are consistent high mileage, the tempo run, and the long run. Add in some tune-up races and adequate rest and recovery, and you have the recipe for success.

From Steve on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:55:22 from 65.127.208.182

Well, I think you start to get a feel for the ability of the runners you are pacing with at races. I don't mean individuals, more like what a runner is like who paces a 5:30 in a half or one who paces 5:30 in a marathon. I'm fairly certain their ability is higher than mine!

But there are days that I can take a lot of pain..

I agree with you on the three elements, but the last six months of training have made me think more about the medium distance tempo run. It seems that if you have some interest in taking 10 minutes off your marathon time, this is something to spend some time thinking about and focusing on training. I don't know, it's just been a thought. It's like, if you want to train to be a marathoner, learn first to be a half marathoner-a fast one. If you can pick that up then you can take what you have learned and start marathon training.

From Ben VanBeekum on Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:17:42 from 67.169.246.116

Steve I love these thoughts. I agree with the 10 mile tempo. For me that has been a good workout this year. I feel that it has given me confidence going into this years marathon season. Personally I think you are one of the toughest runners that I have gone against!! Just not saying, I know when Steve Anderson shows up to a race I better bring my "A" game!! Which I appreciate tremendously!!

From Steve on Sat, May 14, 2011 at 22:10:15 from 99.204.102.135

Thanks Ben! You have been a rabbit I've been trying to catch since that first Striders race last year. I love trying to stay up there with you guys. I was hoping to see you at the Salt Lake Half.

I keep noticing also how during marathon season my 5 and 10k splits are only 10 seconds or so slower than my half marathon splits. It's not the case with some of you younger guys. I think you spend a lot more time running fast and it shows. Ask around sometime at a marathon how many master runners do hard tempo runs.

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