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Location:

St. Petersburg,FL,

Member Since:

Dec 30, 2014

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

  • 5k - 3/8/14 - Armadillo Run - 15:58
  • 10k - 2/7/15 - BDR, Safety Harbor - 33:17
  • 15k - 2/21/15 - Gasparilla - 51:05
  • 1/2 - 12/14/14 - Holiday Halfathon - 1:13:31
  • Marathon - 10/04/15 - Twin Cities - 2:38:46

Short-Term Running Goals:

2016 Races

Clearwater Halfathon - Jan 11
Donna Hicken Marathon - Feb 14
Gasparilla 15k - Feb 20
Florida Beach Halfathon - Mar 6
??? Chicago Marathon ???

Long-Term Running Goals:

Find balance. Run with my girls. Break 15 in the 5k.

Personal:

Born in 1973 in Southern California.

Ran in high school for Arcadia. They have a famous cross-country team now. In my day, we were famous for dodging our coach during runs.

Over the next 15 years I ran very little, but life was awesome. I lived mostly in Northern California, where I met my wife. We moved back to her native state of Florida in 2005, where I gradually started running more seriously.

 

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.500.003.000.0010.50

AM: 10.5 miles, with 6 mile AT wave tempo. Target was 3 alternations of 1 mile @ 6:10, 1 mile @ 5:40. Splits:

  1. 6:09 / 5:39
  2. 6:09 / 5:40
  3. 6:06 / 5:37

I’ve held off on my Twin Cities post-mortem. At first, I wanted to let the dust settle. It settled, but not into neat boxes, and I haven’t had the desire to rake through it all. I need to though, before it gets away from me.

What Went Right – This was my best marathon buildup yet. I wouldn’t always block out five months, but I started when the weather began heating up. From early May on, there is little else to do racing-wise in FL until October.

With five months, I was able to do three distinct periods: ~6 weeks of base where I was running 120-140 miles per week. That went great. It was all slow running, but I felt super strong by the end. After that, 4-5 weeks of intervals and sharpening. I ran a lackluster 5k in mid-June a little under 16:30, and by mid-July I was sharper, running 9:58 for 3200 meters.

The combination of base, speed training, and a couple months of running in the humidity made it possible to start marathon workouts in late July/August and complete them. There is no way I could have done those workouts in humidity in early June.

Overall, the marathon workouts went well. I got stomach flu for a couple weeks, but that was probably a wash, with getting some additional rest. I knew I was in a good place 4.5 weeks out when I was able to run 16 miles @ MP.

What Went Wrong – About 4 weeks out from the race, when it started to feel more imminent, some of my decisions suffered. One workout that I did not complete a couple weeks before was 10 miles MP+1/10 miles MP. At 3 weeks out, I took another swing at it, and nailed it. Unfortunately, I haven’t felt that strong since. I don’t think it was necessarily a mistake to attempt that workout again – in isolation none of the following things were crazy – but I was walking further out onto thin ice, and that never ends well.

Even though the 10/10 workout went great, I struggled to recover. Mon-Wed of the following week was a drag. On Thursday, I re-attempted the other workout I hadn’t managed to pull off, which sounds pretty dumb as I’m writing it now. This was a 6 mile LT wave tempo alternating 10k/MP.  This is a tough workout, but I was surprised by how difficult it was for me at the end of my marathon-specific block. I’ve done the workout without too much trouble before – but in those cases I was still in winter racing mode, when 10k pace feels somewhat comfortable. In the future, I would still do this workout in a marathon-specific block, but only early, and if I felt familiar with 10k pace.

At any rate, I failed again at the 6 mile LT wave tempo. Also in this week my wife had to travel for a couple days of work. I missed a few runs, and made the biggest mistake of the entire block. Friday, the day after the wave tempo fail, I met Quint for a run, which should have been easy, and convinced him to run descending ½ miles with me. It wasn’t a hard workout, but I ended up with 2 miles under 6:00, and wasn’t recovering. On Saturday, I spent a lot of the day at my daughter’s swim meet and had 1 hour to squeeze in a run in the afternoon. So naturally, I ran too hard again to get in enough miles. The next morning, I ran 18 miles on the Clearwater  bridges – mostly reasonable pace, but a few bridges full-on. By Monday, my legs were starting to feel like junk. So naturally, I convinced Mike to meet me at track on Tuesday to do 8x800 at sub-5k pace. I usually do 800s about 12 days out, but at 10k pace.

In retrospect, when life required me to back off, I wish I had not tried to cram in quality - in the future, I will try to just relax and have faith in my past training. The approach that works for me is hard workout followed by very easy days. Instead I was running low quality workouts, accomplishing little but failing to recover.

By Wednesday, I developed a sore left hip and hamstring. I kind of sobered up at this point and tried to get off the crazy train. For the next 1.5 weeks I did a lot of stretching, rolling, icing, etc. I hoped the soreness I was feeling was just taper madness. But by the 4th mile at TCM I felt fairly uncomfortable, and it just got worse as the race went on. Which was unfortunate, because it’s a lot more fun to race against your fitness rather than managing leg pain for 20 miles.

Overall I feel that I learned a great deal from this cycle, and made real fitness improvements. I am a little frustrated that I felt that I had to cram in the last month. In looking back at the race itself, and my training, I feel that my fitness was in place, but self-inflicted wounds brought me down to earth.

 Was this a Good Race, a Bad Race, or What?! – This is a question I’ve been wrestling with, since it was kind of both. Most races I’ve run are quite a bit one way or the other.

During the race, I wasn’t a very happy camper. I was sore and slowing down. In contrast, at Grandma’s my splits were mostly seconds apart. That’s how I want to run marathons. Not like TCM, hanging on to an ugly draw.

When I finished Twin Cities- I was elated. Even though I only ran 14 seconds faster than my PR, I was very proud that I hung on when I wanted to let the race go.

As the days passed, I felt more frustrated than happy, though. I felt that I had built an engine that could hit 2:35 on a flat course, 2:36 or 2:37 at TCM. I finished at 2:38:46, which doesn’t sound like that big of a miss, but it did feel like it to me. The slower time is part of it, but racing sore, or even semi-injured, especially when it was so unnecessary is hard to swallow.

What’s Next – I've been thinking about this a lot, of course. Frustratingly, my legs have been slow to bounce back. My left hip and hamstring are still an issue, impeding serious training, and I picked up a right calf sprain around mile 17 or 18 at TCM that has joined the party. To be fair, I haven’t done a good job of rehabbing. I’ve had the problem in my left hip/hamstring surface on and off for five years, and I know how to get it better. Lately though, I’ve just hit the couch when the kids go down. I haven’t had the focus or the fire to roll, stretch, ice. Instead I’ve been eating junk, drinking beer and not sleeping enough. I guess that's not so horrible 2 weeks after a marathon, but I’m ready to move on and be a healthy, responsible citizen again.

Comments
From Jason D on Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 20:50:19 from 68.80.27.222

Thanks for sharing this, Drew. Much to learn here. You are one example of someone who runs easy runs easy and I've benefited from knowing that, particularly given our fitness differences.

I've slowed my easy paces down quite a bit, even though they were reasonably slow before. I've come to realize that easy paces emerges, not just from year to year, buildup to buildup, and time of year to time of year; easy pace emerges daily.

It's easy to go after revenge workouts and it's easy to try to fit things in when you are rolling and feeling good.

These reflections are beneficial. I try to keep a list of "running things Jason shouldn't do." I try to add to it when I get solid information from other runners too. A big one is trying not to do too much. The other imperative I have been reciting to myself (and I'm not much for imperatives) is "Do nothing that compromises your buildup." It's hard to see these actions sometimes but other times the phrase has helped me.

From Drew on Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 18:51:31 from 173.171.218.92

Thanks Jason. Stacking all the things I did wrong together, they sound pretty stupid - one thing I expected was that even if I was living dangerously, I could recover over a 1.5 week taper. I found that a couple months of solid marathon training had me in a more fragile state than normal.

Couldn't agree more with your comment about easy pace emerging daily. Some days, everything feels great and you just go with it. And even more important, learning not to press when things don't feel good.

I've noticed that our fitness difference has been shrinking, and rather rapidly at that. ;)

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