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Location:

Orem,UT,United States

Member Since:

Jan 27, 1986

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Olympic Trials Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

Best marathon: 2:23:57 (2007, St. George). Won the Top of Utah Marathon twice (2003,2004). Won the USATF LDR circuit in Utah in 2006.

Draper Days 5 K 15:37 (2004)

Did not know this until June 2012, but it turned out that I've been running with spina bifida occulta in L-4 vertebra my entire life, which explains the odd looking form, struggles with the top end speed, and the poor running economy (cannot break 16:00 in 5 K without pushing the VO2 max past 75).  

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Qualify for the US Olympic Trials. With the standard of 2:19 on courses with the elevation drop not exceeding 450 feet this is impossible unless I find an uncanny way to compensate for the L-4 defect with my muscles. But I believe in miracles.

Long-Term Running Goals:

2:08 in the marathon. Become a world-class marathoner. This is impossible unless I find a way to fill the hole in L-4 and make it act healthy either by growing the bone or by inserting something artificial that is as good as the bone without breaking anything important around it. Science does not know how to do that yet, so it will take a miracle. But I believe in miracles.

Personal:

I was born in 1973. Grew up in Moscow, Russia. Started running in 1984 and so far have never missed more than 3 consecutive days. Joined the LDS Church in 1992, and came to Provo, Utah in 1993 to attend BYU. Served an LDS mission from 1994-96 in Salt Lake City, Utah. Got married soon after I got back. My wife Sarah and I are parents of eleven children: Benjamin, Jenny, Julia, Joseph, Jacob, William, Stephen, Matthew,  Mary,  Bella.  and Leigha. We home school our children.

I am a software engineer/computer programmer/hacker whatever you want to call it, and I am currently working for RedX. Aside from the Fast Running Blog, I have another project to create a device that is a good friend for a fast runner. I called it Fast Running Friend.

Favorite Quote:

...if we are to have faith like Enoch and Elijah we must believe what they believed, know what they knew, and live as they lived.

Elder Bruce R. McConkie

 

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A.M. The Big Workout. Ran with Jeff. I got tired of wondering how fast I would have run 5 miles had I extended a shorter interval all the way to 5, so today I proposed to Jeff to just run 5 holding 5:20 pace trading leads, until we cannot do 1:20 quarters any more. Then try to do 1:21 until we cannot, then try 1:22 until we cannot, and so on and so forth. He agreed. He is such a nice guy, agrees to just about any form of a cruel and unusual punishment. That is why he has improved so much, I believe.

We warmed up 2.38 really slow, slower than 8:00 average, and then started the tempo at Geneva Road on Provo River 5 Mile Tempo. 5:20 pace still scares me. It should not, but it does. After the first quarter, my body reminded me I was in better shape, and my fear started to leave. We hit the first two miles in 5:18 each. Then 13:17 at the turnaround - the 180 turn messed us up on approach and we hit a 1:22 quarter. After the 180, we did not do that great either time wise trying to regain the lost rhythm - 1:23 quarter. However, Jeff surged pretty hard on the next one, and we hit a 1:19. 15:59 for 3 miles (5:23), and still ahead of the 5:20 by a second with 2 miles to go. Not bad.

However, both of us were pretty tired, and were giving ourselves some slack not pushing too hard taking our leads. Next mile in 5:25. Too bad we did not have Nick McCombs with us, he would have kept us on the straight and narrow 5:20, and the best thing about it would have been drafting! But still 21:24 at 4 miles was a decent time.

The last mile is tough - has a decent amount of uphill, and you've already run 4 and are tired. We hit three quarters in 1:22 each. Last quarter was Jeff's, but I passed him with about 300 to go so we would not get beat by the 5:20 guy too bad. With 200 to go, I shifted gears, and it was too much for Jeff. I ended up with 26:48.3, last quarter in 1:18, last 200 in 38, last mile in 5:24, decent for the uphill. This time is a course PR for me by 7 seconds. Jeff got a huge course PR with 26:51 - he had never broken 28:00 on that course before.

And just like the Cat in the Hat says, that is not all, oh that is not all! We jogged 1.62, and then ran a mild 3 mile tempo to my house. There were two purposes to this run. To get Jeff to his class on time, and to get some more tempo miles in. We ran it in 17:39.8, fairly steady pace, not bad for the net uphill, rolling under the bridges, and turns.

Dropped Jeff off, and ran another 4 miles in 27:13. Total of 16 for the workout.

P.M. 2.13 to Benjamin's soccer game in 17:51. It was hot, 95 degrees. Ran 0.55 in 4:14 around the field before the game, then decided I'd rather do the extra mileage on the Provo River Trail in the shade. Benjamin's team won 5-1. Then back home via a scenic route with Jenny, Julia, and the double stroller. 3.74 in 35:42, including 1.5 in 14:22 with Jenny, and 0.5 in 5:36 with Julia. It must be noted that the slow average pace was not just the work of Jenny and Julia, I contributed my fair share to it while they were in the stroller. Of course, they weigh about 90 lb together, so with them and one tire being under-inflated the pace is about 40 seconds per mile slower.

I think my form has changed for the better. Check the recent Salt Lake Half pictures vs Ogden pictures. If indeed so, I have two suspects to credit for it - high mileage, and the inversion table, which I have been doing every day twice for 10 minutes each session for the last two months.

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Comments
From adam on Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 13:38:27

what time tomorrow (wednesday) morning are you running?

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 15:11:10

We are running at 5:00 AM. Not sure if Ted will be back in town by then, so it may be just me.

From Dave Holt on Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 16:00:40

Sasha, I put in the River 1/2 - that us southerners ran on Saturday - on to the course tool. But it (the course tool) has had some issues lately with spitting out strange mileage and elevations.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 17:19:23

Dave:

I've fixed it. If this happens again, all you have to do is wait a few minutes and re-save it. USGS server sometimes flakes out, but my code fixes things up every time you save.

Is there really a quarter at 11% grade right after mile 10 on it? Sometimes when profiling a trail course, due to how elevations are reported, if you happen to run next to a steep mountain, or a sharp drop off a cliff, you can get really odd elevations (average of where you actually are and a few meters around you, and the mountain pushes the average up a lot). If that happens, use eliminate crazy grade feature.

I need to fix the course tool to allow the course owner to save the maximum reasonable grade for the course, so that the crazy grade will be eliminated automatically for everyone.

From Cody on Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 23:31:50

Nice workout! I am always amazed at your full recovery so soon after running a great race. Your photos do show quite a dramatic improvement in form. Mileage is doing wonders for you. Keep it up!

From Lybi on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 00:05:43

Great job, Sasha! Yea, in the Salt Lake Half pictures you look totally forward--driving. In the Ogden pictures you look a little like you are leaning back or something. You seem a lot more focused in the Salt Lake Half pictures too--eye of the tiger. Cool! I hope running 120 miles a week is not the only way to improve running form, though. (He he.)

From Lybi on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 00:51:43

And in the second SL picture, you seem to be singing "Bingo".

From Maria on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 05:04:58

Your last picture from SLC especially shows great form. You also look leaner in SLC pictures. Have you lost weight with all this high mileage? In any case, the improvement is obvious. Great job!

From Katie on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 07:33:08

Hello, Sasha.

I checked out those pictures, first thing that comes to mind is the decreased torque in your core(something I have unsuccessfully been trying to do for years!)Do you think the inversion table was key? Have you added any new core exercises between the two pictures? How much time between photos?

How different was fatigue between the two shots?

I hate to say it, Lybi, but I think a couple phases(several months at a time over several years) of super high mileage are key to fixing weak links in form and fitness!

From Dave Holt on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:56:28

Thanks Sasha, and great workout by the way. As far as that hill - it is probably just about right. The hill pulling up out of the river to the top of the plateau is a nasty little fellow.

From Dave Holt on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 11:17:30

Sasha, the blog won't let me go back and edit Tuesday's entry. As I click on Tuesday "edit" it just brings up Wednesday.

From James in Sunny AZ on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 11:53:25

Sasha, I agree with the others, your form looks better in SLC. Way to tell that 5:20 guy you are not afraid of him. Are you doing TOU this weekend? BTW, I think we should also have some sort of SGM get-together/pasta-fest the evening before the race. Not that I didn't love the pasta dinner when I was there, but hanging out with fellow bloggers would be much better, IMO.

From Dave Holt on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 13:06:21

James, talk with Clyde. I am sure he would LOVE to organize something!

From Superfly on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 13:56:30

Actually my wife is already on top of the party. I sent the stuff to Sasha and as soon as he gets around to it he will post the details. We will be having a get-together with all the other stuff too.

Sasha we need to get that posted! ASAP. I emailed it to both of your emais. Hopefully it worked.

From Dave Holt on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:06:52

I new you would Clyde. In fact, Al and I were talking about it last night and I said that I thought you guys might take the lead.

From Paul Petersen on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:11:53

Pre-race parties are good and all, but a post-race "PR-party" would be even better. I can make brurgers for everyone.

From Superfly on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:17:29

Yeah Paul we'll be having a post race bash as well. We will just tell everyone about it at the "pre" race thing. Then we can see what everyone wants to do and eat. Burgers, Fatboys, Dr.Pepper, Chocolate Easter bunny, or whatever floats your boat.

From Jon on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:19:03

Paul, I don't think Clyde knows what a brurger is.

From Paul Petersen on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:23:04

From Superfly on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 14:31:15

Paul your Br-burger looks just a little too grease loaded for me. However the night after the race I may talk myself into anything. O.K. maybe not meatloaf.

From jtshad on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 15:14:10

Count me in for the pre/post race bash. I know a few other good runners from IF and Boise who are coming down who would be good additions to the festivities as well. Looking forward to hearing about the details. Of course, a beer or two will be required at the post party!

From josse on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 15:17:16

Wow! what an improvement in your form. I have seen you running over the years and always thought how much faster you would get if you cleaned up your form.

Running form is a hard thing to conquer but it looks like you are doing just that. Great job.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 15:47:54

Everybody - thanks for the feedback. Maria - no lost weight at all, if anything, a slight gain, definitely increased fluctuation in weight. Katie - Ogden was in May this year, Salt Lake just last week. Ogden pictures are from mile 22, I believe, Salt Lake half are at about 3.7 into the race (the climbing ones), but I had just climbed about 600 feet over that stretch. Some more pictures from Ogden from mile 15 (last three) for comparison. No significant core strength work between Ogden and now, other than push-ups and reverse sit-ups (for lack of a better name) - a partner holding the legs while the body from pelvis up hangs off the couch with the head down, bend down and up, but I have not been doing those reverse sit-ups for a month now. However, did inversion table religiously twice a day for 10 minutes. Prior to the inversion table I did nearly a year of Pettibon therapy with absolutely no results that could be measured in running. Finally my chiropractor said I needed decompression, and wanted to charge me another $1000 for it. I told him I did not have another $1000 to throw at the problem given the dismal results we've had so far, and got myself an entry level inversion table for $129 including shipping instead. It would be interesting to see what happens with other runners with form issues trying a combination of high mileage and inversion table. We might be on to something. The reason that convinced me to try Pettibon therapy to begin with was the results that Trever Ball got from it. He did do decompression as part of it.

From josse on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 19:10:56

Why are you useing the inversion table?

I have had on going problems with my back for years now sometime it is better than others, but alot of times I feel so compressed through my whole back. Alot of my probem comes from a tear in my middle rectus abdominis muscle and lifting my 11 year old daughter (75lbs.) who is in a wheelchair. I wounder if this would help my back problems. I have also been going to physical therapy and he is teaching me how to streaghten my inner core muscles which are weak and tone down my middle oblique muscle which is over developed.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 19:33:46

I have known for a while that I had some biomechanical issue that was holding me back. I never got injured, but I've felt awkward. I've gone to a couple of PT and chiropractors, but they could not get to the root of the problem. I've tried drills, strengthening different muscles groups, all kinds of stretching with absolutely no improvement in running on any distance. Last year I learned about the Pettibon system, and decided to give it a shot, even though it was quite pricy. I figured I earned some money from winning on the roads, and this was like re-investing it. If it works, I'll get it back, if not, hopefully I'll gain some wisdom I can use later. Pettibon system focuses on spinal correction. This did make sense - there seems to be a pattern among very good runners, and especially the young bucks that can run sub-15:00 5 K off 50 or less miles a week. They have the back of a pouncy cat. Pettibon did not give me much though, except directing the focus to the spine.

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