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Mon, Oct 26, 2009

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3 out on the Bartram trail with my Egyptian friend Hytham (hyth.fastrunningblog.com), testing the knee out again. I think I've now fully recovered from the pounding of the road 50-miler a week ago, and none too soon. Maybe I should start getting ready for Pinhoti...

On a side note, I recently noticed that Utah's own Karl Meltzer is entered in Pinhoti (Karl won the Hardrock 100, Grindstone 100, and Bighorn 100 this year already). It will be cool to meet one of the fast guys in the sport, but I guess the aid stations will have to open up a few hours earlier than anticipated...

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From Eric Day on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 20:53:31 from 189.192.44.86

Good for that knee. Just keep caution on it...good luck on your training.

From The Howling Commando on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:05:04 from 72.224.31.85

Hey JOhn got a question. Have you ever had any ankle issues? I rolled my left ankle last Tuesday, and it didn't bruise/swell up or anything. I finished 6 miles on it, then took 4 days off. Ran 15 yesterday at a 1/2 marathon on the trails, again twisted it. No swelling though. What's weird is the part that hurts is right in the front of the ankle where the leg/foot meet and it's only when I land/push off when I run. Walking it doesn't hurt. Should I take another couple days off? I am afraid that I'm losing all my fitness.

From Nevels on Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:17:26 from 75.143.78.45

HC: I have had more ankle problems, rolled ankles, sprained ankles, swollen ankles, discolored ankles, and even some real ankle issues than anyone ever should, so I've got a little experience with it.

My first bit of advice would be what you apparently already did: if you roll your ankle mid-run, if you can put any weight on it at all, get running again; this will keep the swelling down. The amount of time that you need to take off is entirely up to you. All I can tell you is that if it HURTS, don't run on it, but if it's just really uncomfortable, try and get out for a few miles. In any case, a couple weeks of rest/rehab won't do too much to harm your fitness.

From your description of where it hurts, it sounds like you've stretched/strained the tendon on the top of your foot/front of your ankle, but that particular area of your foot should be relatively easy to "protect" if you run on easy trails or roads.

Hope that helps, and best of luck to you. If you have any more questions, just let me know...

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 18:16:45 from 72.224.31.85

Alright John. I think what I might do is jog easy tomorrow or Thursday, take Fri/Sat off because I have a race (only 5 mile) on trails on Sunday. You think it would be beneficial to wear the ankle brace on Sunday? although it doesnt seem to do to much for me since the pain is in the front of the ankle, not the side or back.

From Nevels on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 20:02:32 from 75.143.78.45

Sounds like a good plan to me. I would avoid the ankle brace, especially since it doesn't do all that much to help (admittedly, I've been paranoid about becoming dependent upon braces and such for years, but I still think that if you can do without it, don't give yourself the "crutch")

How does it feel today?

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 20:14:38 from 72.224.31.85

Again it feels fine.. I was walking around fine.. But again I only "feel" it when I start running. I tried jogging across the basement a few times. It's so weird. Still no bruising/swelling. Should I try jogging a couple miles tomorrow? When do I know when to stop? If the pain intensifies? Am I going to do more damage you think running easy on it? I mean I managed 15 miles on it the other day and that was a pretty muddy, hilly, rocky, root-filled course!

From Nevels on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 20:40:06 from 75.143.78.45

Jogging is probably fine. I don't think you'll do any extra damage by just running, so long as you don't re-twist it in the same spot. That being said, if the pain seems like it take a sharp turn for the worse (i.e. only gets a little worse when you first start running, but then gets drastically worse mid-run over a short period of time), then it might be prudent to pull off and walk it in.

And I can't blame you for running 15 on the muddy, hilly, rocky, root-filled course; those are the best kind!

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:13:58 from 72.224.31.85

Seriously! That was amazing! So much fun too. All the volunteers were dressed up as goblins, zombies and witches and GORILLAS and jumping out and scaring you and stuff !

From Nevels on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:17:03 from 75.143.78.45

Sounds like my kind of race...

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:19:28 from 72.224.31.85

You would have done loads better than me! Though a 2:02 ain't bad for a fatty fat fat like me I guess.

So I'll shoot to do a jog tomorrow and see how it feels. Should I go for time? Like 30 minutes or something? Or maybe 3-4 miles?

From Nevels on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:24:56 from 75.143.78.45

I'd say go for whatever is convenient. If you have a 3-4 mile route that you like, go for it; if you just want to wander for a half hour or so, do that. Just make sure it's all easy...

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:29:15 from 72.224.31.85

Aye Aye captain! Be sure to check in tomorrow so I can let you know how things felt and what not.

From The Howling Commando on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:29:33 from 72.224.31.85

When is Pinhoti?

From Nevels on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 21:31:58 from 75.143.78.45

No problem...

Pinhoti is a week and a half away, Nov. 7-8, so it's getting close enough to be somewhat intimidating...

From The Howling Commando on Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 18:07:20 from 72.224.31.85

Didn't try running today. Had to do work and my ankle hurt jogging around the basement in the front again. It's getting frustrating. It only hurts when I run which is what I care about! Not walking. Grr

From Nevels on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 13:17:44 from 131.204.15.93

When it hurts while jogging, is it hurting when you are pulling your foot forward and pulling your toes on that foot up, or is it hurting when you put the foot down on the ground and put weight on it?

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:15:04 from 72.224.31.85

The putting weight on it as I'm running.. I think it's because jogging is like 3x more force than walking? I don't think it's the actual moving forward part though but it is hard to tell.

From The Howling Commando on Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 20:02:35 from 72.224.31.85

Maybe I'm just broken?

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