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I would've never guessed that those elite marathoners take in SO MUCH, in terms of both carbs and amount of fluids.

Yeah and therein lies the problem with case studies... I wonder if they are on the upper-end of the spectrum? How it compares to say, the rest of the Olympic Marathon field?

Well, it was three elite marathoners and they all ran in the 2:10-2:16 range. Even if it is on the high end, there is still a valuable takeaway for someone like you - get in as many carbs and fluids as you can handle in a race.

Wow, that's way too much math and chemistry to do before I eat my morning peanut butter and honey sandwich.

Totally agree - its not like I'm in danger of taking in TOO MUCH.

Mission 2013 = Don't fade in the last 10K!

I remember Shalane, Kara, and Ritz all saying they shoot for like 4oz every 5K, that works out to about 1L over the course of a marathon. So same ballpark.

I can't wait to see you practicing out with your fuel belt in your next marathon training cycle!

Instead of the fuel belt you could just put a bunch of goodies and water in a 40lb vest :).

Now I wish I never posted those links! :-)

I paint myself as a good reader of difficult texts, but I can see this one takes some work.

What about pre-race fueling, Jake? You do much of that? I hate to eat before running, but before long runs I've been taking in 400 calories of Cliff Bloks (more like candy than the gel and they are easy to digest). But now I am hungry for one of Rob's peanut butter and honey sandwiches, but I think I'll add banana slice to it.

I eat pretty well before longer races... try to get in 400-500 cals the morning of the race

Before long runs I usually don't eat anything significant

How much time between your breakfast and race start Jake? Do you get up extra early to be able to eat and have it settle? I take in some calories but nothing too heavy. Curious how the big dogs do it :). Thanks

I value sleep over eating, so I don't wake up extra early if I don't have to. For TOU (7am race start) I woke up just before 5am, ate something pretty much right away. That was plenty of time.

geez, this paper makes one of my own actually look exciting and understandable... and how do you get a standard error as big as the number? hmm.....

:-)

Interesting reads. Thanks Jake.

I'm to scatter brained to read that mathematical article. What did it say in a nut shell? haha

Scott - you get a big SE when n=3

I don't even know why they bothered grouping the data, I'd rather just look at the data for each individual on its own.

The article looks intimidating but its not really the math and numbers that are they take home points (for me)... its just that it provides some insight into the training of good marathon runners over a long period (not a ton of 2:12 guys are on FRB), and their ideas for "training the gut" to get better at accepting fluids/sugar during racing are interesting.

I read both of the summaries and as much as I hate Science this is really great stuff. Can you even imagine what you could do in the marathon if you got 61 grams of carbs in you?

I used the "train low race high" approach for all of my tempo & some LRs in training for TOU and I do think it made a difference for me. That said I know that my body tolerates Gu/gatorade well (I've ran enough marathons to figure this out) so I did not really need to practice taking them in as much during training.

Thanks for sharing Jake this is very interesting stuff.