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Location:

Pleasanton,CA,US

Member Since:

May 01, 2008

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

1M 4:53.2

5k 17:19 Spring 2009

5M 28:52

10M 59:47 (on way to my half PR)

13.1 1:18:47 2009 New Bedford Half Marathon

26.2 2:57:55 2008 Mohawk Hudson River Marathon

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Train for pacific crest trail thru hike 2017.

Run lots of miles and lose some weight in the process.

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Extend childhood (at least from fitness perspective) into my mid 40's

 

Long-Term Running Goals:

 

I want to beat my half marathon PR. And if I'm in shape to do that then I should be able to crush my marathon PR.

Personal:

31y/o computational biologist. Hoping to take 5 months off next year to hike the PCT.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesCrosstraining milesTotal Miles
8.250.000.000.000.008.25

AM: 4 pretty quick for a morning maybe 7 pace dunno no watch. So I know I always preach easy on easy days.  And suddenly I have changed my tune.  I think that I need to drop some mileage (to maybe 65 or 70 miles in doubles, so a lot of pretty short runs) and pick up the pace.  After I get comfortable with that I can pick the mileage back up to where I am.  There are a couple of reasons I have for this.

1. The reason for this is that running sub 6 pace and running 8-9min pace are totally different beasts.  They take different biomechanics.  If you are going to train biomechanics (which equates to running economy -- the piece where whole chunks of pace can be knocked off in a season) then you need to run with at least similar form to how you will be racing.  Its that repetition that gives you the muscle memory that allows you to not worry about form and pace and yet stay economical.

2. After 2 months at high mileage I am going to have diminishing returns from it.  I could take a serious bump in mileage say to 110 and go through another breakdown phase and either come out better or with an injury.  The risk is too high and honestly it just takes too long at 8-9min pace.  So I need to introduce a new stress to my training.  That new stress will be pace.  Hopefully my body will, over the course of several weeks, adapt to it as it adapts to mileage.

Im aiming for 7-7:30 pace for all of my easy runs but since I am doubling I can still hit decent mileage and have all of the runs very short so that they aren't too stressful and so that I can concentrate on good form throughout the run.

And it sets up another stress that I can add to my running after 3-6 weeks of this type of training which is increasing the mileage at the new pace.  But I won't do that until I start feeling comfortable with this new regimen.

PM: 4.25 at 7:10 pace

Weight: 0.00Calories: 0.00
Comments
From Tom Slick on Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 08:54:20 from 168.179.157.36

Hey Man, what is you goal! Your pounding out some pretty impressive miles. Are you setting your sights on a PR/BQ marathon? Where do you find the time to get out and run while in Med school? What kind of nutrution program are you using to lose and maintain your weight at 150 lbs?

From wheaton on Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 09:41:55 from 70.12.228.37

1/2 marathon challenge with 2 friends. I would really like to move to the next level with my running. Ive gone 1:18:47 for 1/2 but would like to take that below 1:16 or even below 1:15. Im in 4th year med school. The first 3 years are hard but the 4th is not so bad. Also right now im on a 2 week vacation. I have been hitting the miles hard but super slow so now im thinking i need to take a dif approach for a while. As for nutrition just counting calories and staying well negetive every day. Eat filling low cal stuff like beans and vegies. I was as high as 178 but now down to 157 but not really losing. Gonna step that back up in another week when i can control my diet.

From Henry on Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:16:55 from 99.141.95.78

interesting idea with the pace, although it definitely does sound like it goes back on "easy on easy runs" lol. see how it goes, but if you aren't recovering quite right, then idk. i think we were trying to do that over here, but without upping the mileage first... it makes more sense the way you're doing it, but still listen to your body and see if it's working for you.

From big legs on Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 23:08:07 from 173.2.121.68

i'm not sure how much of running fast for a long time is muscle memory. it's more about muscle endurance and power. I think it's good to spice things up a little and keep things interesting. it will be hard to judge which turns out better because there's no control for yourself. you did pretty awesome last year on high mileage alone. if you want to run sub 6, i'm not sure running 7 min pace vs 8 min pace will really help since 7 pace is not 5 min pace. i know henry's dramatic improvement with minimal miles at a faster pace may entice you to copy his routine but you can't fight superior genetics. you just need to find your event. i know if i want to be competitive i have to do trail races, and long ones at that. not only am i relatively better on trails but almost no one does them. you may be a gifted beer miler.

From Henry on Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 01:03:20 from 99.141.95.78

i also want to throw in about my dramatic improvement that i would not say it was from the faster miles at the start of the summer. i'm doing slower ones again now and feel like i will be able to perform more in the workouts, where it counts, because of it.

From wheaton on Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 10:13:06 from 108.119.118.172

running fast for a long time is about efficiency. You can gain that a few ways. Train your muscles to be able to use tons of oxygen (best done with mileage, threshold, and vo2max work). You can lose weight so u have to put out less energy to move yourself forward. Or you can improve running economy (the energy it takes to move the same mass forward). I have done about what i can in the first department. I am working on my weight. But the economy is possibly the biggest piece yet the least straight forward to train. Speed, hills, drills, stretching, striders, and mileage are thought to improve efficiency. But pfitzinger thinks that mileage significantly slower than race pace doesnt help efficiency. Remember when we were training for that marathon you started doing your long runs at 7:30 pace because of what he said in his book. I think he is on to something and also ive maxed out what i can do in most other areas. Im not gonna see a huge boost by just continuing to pound out 80 mile weeks. As for workouts, i need a freaking treadmill. This weather is totally unacceptable to do workouts in. Gonna do 5k on saturday then find a gym to join in bham to do workouts on a treadmill.

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