Going With The Flow

April 23, 2024

Recent EntriesHomeJoin Fast Running Blog Community!PredictorHealthy RecipesAndrea's RacesFind BlogsMileage BoardTop Ten Excuses for Missing a RunTop Ten Training MistakesDiscussion ForumRace Reports Send A Private MessageWeek ViewMonth ViewYear View
JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
201120122013201420152016
15% off for Fast Running Blog members at St. George Running Center!

Location:

Salt Lake City,UT,United States

Member Since:

May 08, 2011

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Unaided -  
17:16 OktoberFAST 5K (10/11)
17:23 BAA 5K (4/12)
37:10 Memorial Day 10K (5/11)
1:17:03 Long Beach Half Marathon (10/11)
1:17:21 USA 1/2 Champs - Duluth (6/12)
2:49:01 Philadelphia Marathon (11/11)

Aided -
16:52 Fight For Air 5K (6/11)
17:08 Provo City 5K (5/12)
1:17:52 Top of Utah Half Marathon (8/11)
1:17:54 Utah Valley Half Marathon (6/11)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Run consistently as I get back to 100% health. Stay patient!

 

Long-Term Running Goals:

Have fun training and racing.

Sub-17 5K
Sub-1:17 Half Marathon
Quality for the Olympic Trials in the marathon

Personal:

I am originally from Knoxville, TN and moved to SLC with Jake in 2010. I started racing in 2011 and had some great success before a major injury hit me in July 2012. I had athletic pubalgia surgery in May 2013...then again in Sept 2014 and am still trying to get back to my old self. Although running is my true passion, I love doing pretty much anything active outdoors - backcountry skiing, backpacking, biking, etc. 

I've been running for the Saucony Team since 2011. I enjoy representing the brand and really do believe they make the best shoes :)

I work as a Quality Engineer for BD Medical in Sandy.

Favorite Blogs:

Click to donate
to Ukraine's Armed Forces
Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Skinning Miles (1000ft ~ 2.5 Miles) Lifetime Miles: 912.35
Hiking Miles Lifetime Miles: 10.50
Total Distance
3.00

AM - 3 miles with Jake followed by a massage by Tim Pagoaga (highly recommended). He did some scar mobilization and it did not feel good. 

St. George Marathoners!! Some food for thought (note: I'm not sure where the commentary came from, but it was in my "Running Motivation" google doc) - 

"My entire focus was to run a smart race. The first few miles I felt were too slow, but thank God my coach held me back." - Mary Kate Bailey commenting on her 2004 Marine Corps Marathon victory. Please note that she felt the first few miles were “too slow”. That’s exactly how the first few miles should feel! If the early pace doesn’t feel “too slow”, then that means that you’re running too fast and you need to slow down! At the 4 mile mark of the 2004 race, MK was 2 minutes behind the women’s leaders. She went on to win the race by about 4 minutes.

“Well, the first two marathons I ran, I followed the words of my wise coach, George Buckheit, “Start slow, finish fast.” Both marathons I ran negative splits and the second half of Rock 'n' Roll I ran a half marathon PR." -Kristen Henehan commenting on her 2007 MCM victory and subsequent Olympic Trials qualifier at RNR Phoenix. Kristen played the ‘start slow, finish fast’ game perfectly in both of those races. And although she had not run many half marathons up to that point, she managed to run a half marathon PR in the second half of the Phoenix race! That’s proof that if you are patient early in the race, it is very possible to run extremely fast in the second half of the race.

Night Sleep Time: 9.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 9.00Weight: 114.00
Comments
From josse on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 09:55:17 from 70.208.3.67

Best way to run a marathon thanks for the post.

From Jason D on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:05:35 from 128.210.82.162

My theory for most people is 15-20 seconds slower than goal pace for the first two miles, working into goal pace by mile 10. For instance, my last marathon, though aided, started at 6:50 and 6:55 (something like that). By mile 10 I was running 6:40 average. By the end of the race I was running 6:33 average with miles as fast as 6:18-6:22 on flats and I put 3 minutes on a guy in the final 5k.

Had I run 6:35-6:40 out of the gate, I could have lost several minutes in the final 10k. Heck, I might have quit on the hills leading up to mile 10!

It's tough to follow on race day, but we should know how pacing works from long runs. You can cut the pace down a lot in the second half of a 20 miler (usually 30 seconds overall after mile 10 for me).

I think there is such a thing as starting too slow, but I think the actual occurrence is extremely low.

From Jake K on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:08:35 from 67.177.11.154

Going out 10 seconds/mile too slow is better than losing 2 MINUTES per mile over the last 10K :-)

From Jason D on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:10:30 from 128.210.82.162

(and by "theory" I mean "it worked this one time for Jason")

From Jake K on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:13:16 from 67.177.11.154

I don't think anyone has ever closed a marathon hard with a great finish and thought "man, i wish i went out too fast and tanked at mile 18 instead!"

From Jenruns on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:31:30 from 98.202.196.31

THANK YOU for this! I need to tattoo this on my hand so I remember!

From Josh E on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 11:36:16 from 205.235.104.4

This stuff makes my stomach turn. As an inexperienced runner still improving as I go, I read this or look at Scott Keate's performance last year and I immediately start tweaking my plan. Is my target pace realistic, aggressive or not aggressive enough? If I am feeling good/bad, what adjustments do I make and when during the race? When am I safe to go for it? Is mile 15 (700 ft net down accomplished and 2000 ft net down to go) too soon to lay down the hammer? Or do I wait until mile 20 to "race" the race if I am still feeling good then? I think Scott ran the perfect race last year but it's a lot easier to reverse engineer than to plot out beforehand.

To Jake's point, I think we all have that thought before a race that if we run a 1:21/ 1:19 negative split we may have left two minutes on the course in the first half. Though it is probably true that no one regrets a big negative split at the END of the race.

Thanks for the thoughts!

From Brandon on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 11:52:53 from 67.214.231.170

Great information there and kudos to you on your smart running Andrea! I practiced this last year at STG and it worked very well. I went 1:21/1:18.

From Jake K on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:11:58 from 67.177.11.154

Paul's 2007 report should be required reading for everyone running STG:

1:11:24 / 1:06:45

From Josh E on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 13:31:09 from 205.235.104.4

There will be no wall! I remember reading Paul's but I need to analyze his splits!

From Matt Poulsen on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 20:51:51 from 174.52.216.185

Great thoughts, Andrea! I totally agree. Nice running this week, by the way. You are looking great!

Add Your Comment.
  • Keep it family-safe. No vulgar or profane language. To discourage anonymous comments of cowardly nature, your IP address will be logged and posted next to your comment.
  • Do not respond to another person's comment out of context. If he made the original comment on another page/blog entry, go to that entry and respond there.
  • If all you want to do is contact the blogger and your comment is not connected with this entry and has no relevance to others, send a private message instead.
Only registered users with public blogs are allowed to post comments. Log in with your username and password or create an account and set up a blog.
Debt Reduction Calculator
Featured Announcements
Lone Faithfuls
(need a comment):
Recent Comments: