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Location:

Salt Lake City,UT,United States

Member Since:

May 08, 2011

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Unaided -  
17:16 OktoberFAST 5K (10/11)
17:23 BAA 5K (4/12)
37:10 Memorial Day 10K (5/11)
1:17:03 Long Beach Half Marathon (10/11)
1:17:21 USA 1/2 Champs - Duluth (6/12)
2:49:01 Philadelphia Marathon (11/11)

Aided -
16:52 Fight For Air 5K (6/11)
17:08 Provo City 5K (5/12)
1:17:52 Top of Utah Half Marathon (8/11)
1:17:54 Utah Valley Half Marathon (6/11)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Run consistently as I get back to 100% health. Stay patient!

 

Long-Term Running Goals:

Have fun training and racing.

Sub-17 5K
Sub-1:17 Half Marathon
Quality for the Olympic Trials in the marathon

Personal:

I am originally from Knoxville, TN and moved to SLC with Jake in 2010. I started racing in 2011 and had some great success before a major injury hit me in July 2012. I had athletic pubalgia surgery in May 2013...then again in Sept 2014 and am still trying to get back to my old self. Although running is my true passion, I love doing pretty much anything active outdoors - backcountry skiing, backpacking, biking, etc. 

I've been running for the Saucony Team since 2011. I enjoy representing the brand and really do believe they make the best shoes :)

I work as a Quality Engineer for BD Medical in Sandy.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Skinning Miles (1000ft ~ 2.5 Miles) Lifetime Miles: 912.35
Hiking Miles Lifetime Miles: 10.50
Total Distance
12.00

AM - 12 miles with the JAKJAF crew. Back hurts today.

Here is an article with Julia Lucas, who ran 15:08.52 for 5000 meters at the recent Payton Jordan Invitational at Stanford. A couple points she made which I thought were really good -

I found that spark. It's hard to articulate exactly what it is. But running all the miles and doing all the weights, and icing, and eating right and sleeping right, it's just gathering dry material and at the end you have a pile of sticks. And just remembering what it's like to catch fire; I caught fire again.

How much has it meant to see Sally Kipyego at practice every day, and see the example she sets for the rest of you?
JL
:  It's really easy to forget how good Sally is. She's just there every day doing exactly what we do. In December, when practices started back and I was looking better than I had, she grabbed me by the shoulders and said "Julia, don't try to be great, just do every day pretty good like you're supposed to, and then you'll be great." That's really out of character of her to grab me and give me this advice, but it's true and I know that she meant it.

And I think about that all the time. I don't need to blow any workouts of the water. I take great pride. I hit my splits right. I'm not trying to show off in any interval. I trust my coach. I do everything he tells me. I don't do anything more, I don't do anything less. And following orders, with a coach I really trust, really works. It's great pressure off to have that kind of trust.

Saucony Mirage Miles: 12.00
Night Sleep Time: 8.50Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 8.50Weight: 117.50
Comments
From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 09:35:53 from 155.100.226.54

I loved how well she articulated the point about "catching fire". What a great analogy.

From Andrea on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 09:36:24 from 72.37.244.100

Yeah love that analogy as well!

From allie on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 09:45:59 from 174.23.159.187

gathering dry material to make a big pile of sticks...i love this!

very good points in here. thanks for sharing.

sorry about your back :(

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 09:53:27 from 155.100.226.54

What is the "cup full of gasoline" in this analogy? The catalyst for the massive explosion. I guess its implied that she means Diet Dew?

From Rachelle on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:02:41 from 199.190.170.31

Great running this morning. LOVE this insert thanks so much for sharing. My favorite part is "don't try to be great, just do everyday pretty good." This is so hard to remember somtimes.

From Andrea on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:16:29 from 72.37.244.100

What has worked best for me is gradual improvement, never allowing myself to push myself to the absolute limit in workouts so I can build on my training week to week.

I need to make sure to remember this on Thursday for my track workout!

From Rachelle on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:30:49 from 199.190.170.31

I think you are actually a great romodel when it comes to this Andrea. I completely admire your ability to hold back in workouts.

I hope your back is feeling better!

From Andrea on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:36:14 from 72.37.244.100

Sometimes I get a little overly anxious to get the workout done and therefore run too fast :)

It's hard, because sometimes you just feel great and can handle a faster workout and other times it's a bear just to move faster than MP+45 seconds! It's all about effort level - I'm still trying to learn that. Especially 10K pace bc it's the worst!!

From Smooth on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:43:37 from 174.27.212.157

I LOVE reading your post, the insightful comments by everyone and the GREAT stuff you share! THANK YOU SO MUCH! Sorry about your back today. Hope it is feeling better!

From allie on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:47:01 from 174.23.159.187

let's go back to the FRB archives: http://allie.fastrunningblog.com/blog-Big-Workout-nbsp-Phase-1-Progression-R/02-22-2010.html

what was the point of this? to get "wow, impressive!" comments on my blog? probably. because that's the only thing i got out of it. i was doing these crazy workouts on a weekly basis in early 2010. weekly 20 milers at a very high intensity, and i soon found myself trying to make it faster, harder and more over-the-top than the week before. it got me nowhere -- just a cold seat on the injured bench and a big fat 3:04 spring marathon (when i had dreams of an OTQ attempt at euguene). ha! haha. i finally got some sense knocked into me from paul p. when he told me that my big workouts were "really huge" and quite frankly unnecessary. it was amazing to see my times drop across the board once i stopped doing these crazy weekly stunts and saved the "good stuff" for race day.

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:58:14 from 155.100.226.54

Thanks for sharing that allie. Those kinds of efforts are REALLY BIG, and like you said, you can easily go off the other side and end up running your best in workouts. Its a good reminder to not do a week's worth of faster running in one run :-)

There are a lot of "Tuesday All-Americans" out there. But races are on Saturdays (at least in Utah... Sundays too in all the sinner states). And workouts should be stepping stones towards running well in races (assuming your goal is to race well).

A favorite quote of mine, from Marty Liquori - "No one ever won the olive wreath with an impressive training diary.ā€¯

You gotta know when to push, and when to pull the plug. Its a very delicate balance. Erring on the side of leaving a little in the tank is always the safest bet. Last night when I was at the track, I COULD have squeezed out 2 more sets of what I was doing, but the only thing it would have accomplished is that my Tuesday night workout would have looked better... which means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:13:20 from 155.100.226.54

While we're on the topic I'm just going to add another thought(s)... as a follow up to what I just wrote, there is definitely a time and place for running workouts where you do push the limits. Whether its for confidence, a fitness barometer, or simply to teach the brain/body to respond to a very hard stimulus, those workouts have major benefits. I guess the point I was trying to make is that if EVERY workout is a race-type effort, then it can break you down more than build you up.

From Rachelle on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:33:48 from 159.212.71.69

I have nothing intelligent to add but just wanted to say how much I am loving and appreciate all of this dialogue.

Allie - If they add a progression/tempo/fartlek/sprint/ catagory to the olympics I think you would win. That workout was crazysauce!

From runningafterbabies on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:42:20 from 71.195.219.247

Thanks for the quote. It definitely puts the importance of doing all the little things into perspective.

I definitely agree with Jake on the "time and a place" for pushing/holding back. If there is a good balance with your workouts and you are not putting your body in jeopardy (of injury) I believe pushing a little bit occasionally can be beneficial.

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:43:18 from 155.100.226.54

Oh yeah Melody - if you don't push the boundaries sometimes, you don't improve...

From runningafterbabies on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:43:42 from 71.195.219.247

Don't we all wish we had a coach that always told us what workouts to do, what paces and races to run, when it's time to stop, etc? That would definitely make my life a lot easier and would free up a lot of time I spend researching workouts/races/paces and injury prevention...

From runningafterbabies on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:45:29 from 71.195.219.247

I nominate Jake.

From Rachelle on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:47:29 from 159.212.71.69

But the flip side of that is that a coach can't tell exactly how we are feeling. They can lead us in the right direction but ultimetely we know our bodies best.

I have seen a few friends get injured because a coach told them to run a certain pace and they just did it because that is what the coach said even though there bodies were screaming NO!

From Rachelle on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:48:27 from 159.212.71.69

And I agree Melody! Coach Jake rocks.

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:49:11 from 155.100.226.54

There's both an upside and a downside to that, though. Unless a coach is really tuned in to everything you are doing, its really hard to make a "plan" that works. I find that things are changing and you have to make adaptations all the time. A very good coach can take those things into account and make the adjustments for you. But unless there is 100% complete trust b/w the coach and athlete, it can also be a disaster. I personally don't respond well at all to anyone telling me what to do. I'll take advise and guidance, but ultimately I prefer to make the big decisions myself. I like the accountability of knowing that its on me... if I run poorly, I don't have anyone to blame.

From JulieC on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:49:36 from 70.56.109.42

good reads everyone!! I know I showcased my speed in many workouts last year, then tanking at races from fatigue/lack of sleeping well from overtraining. So now I get to sit on the injured bench and watch more closely who is holding out right and who is overtraining and make little "conscience" blibs to them : D. JK. Seriously I too wish I had had a coach that steered me the right way through my last running season. The problem for me is thinking I don't have too many seasons of "good" running left. And I need to not think that. But I am sure happy to hear how all you are doing!!! Thanks for the comments!!

From Jake K on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:50:13 from 155.100.226.54

You just run so fast that it makes me look like I know what I'm talking about, Rachelle! :-)

From Andrea on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 13:31:00 from 72.37.171.52

Luckily Jake puts a star next to the "really important, push yourself" workouts for me!

From fiddy on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 15:38:37 from 155.101.96.137

I always try to follow the mantra "workouts are about where you are, not where you are going". I also call it wistfulnesslessness. It basically means that if your goal is to run 17flat in the 5k, but you are currently running 17:30for 5k, you train like a 17:30 5k runner.

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