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Location:

Snoqualmie,WA,

Member Since:

Jan 31, 2008

Gender:

Female

Goal Type:

Boston Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

Marathon PR: 4:17 at Portland Marathon, Oct. 2007

5K PR 24:37 2009

10K PR 52:58 2010

Have run 22 marathons to date.

No injuries, ever.   :)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Qualify for Boston (4:05 for my age/gender) - or, perhaps, to use my desire for a BQ as a way to get in the hated speed work so I don't just get slower and slower over the years.  This goal is "under (re)construction" right now, until I figure out whether it is truly what I want. :) 


Long-Term Running Goals:

To continue learning about myself and about running, and to enjoy being a fit, happy runner for life.   To always know why I am running and the best way to get the most (both mentally and physically) out of my runs.  To keep a sense of humor and remain optimistic about myself as a runner.  To enjoy running more and more with every passing year. 

Personal:

Baby boomer generation.  Jogged a little in my 20's and 30's.  Started running seriously in 2002.  Low-carb runner since January 2010. 

I love long runs and cold, cloudy weather.  I don't believe in "junk miles."  I am an optimist.  I adore dark chocolate, fog, my family, and knitting -- not necessarily in that order.  

"As every runner knows, running is about more than just putting one foot in front of the other; it is about our lifestyle and who we are."  -- Joan Benoit Samuelson 


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Race: Winthrop Marathon (26.2 Miles) 04:21:47, Place overall: 59, Place in age division: 3
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50F up into the high 70s at times, when the sun came out. Partly cloudy skies with a couple of drops of rain in the first few miles. 

The short version...  In spite of a few setbacks, I had a wonderful morning at the Winthrop Marathon.  I got another 4:21 - that's 3 of them in the past 12 months if you are counting.  I truly thought I'd be a bit faster today, but the early downhill, with the first 4 miles on dirt, no actually it was sand, really chewed me up I guess.  This is a stunning course in terms of scenery. If you like big crowds and you don't like pine forests and babbling brooks, this would not be the marathon for you. An excellent choice for introverts and naturalists.  If I didn't have such a thing for coastal scenery, I'd scoot Big Sur into the number 2 spot for this marathon.  I loved it. 

Long version... We took the buses up at 6:30 and I got to sit next to Pirate Man, who seems to be at all my races, especially the marathons.  I really enjoyed talking to him - he is an 80 y.o. running machine who races constantly. (Recently did the Pikes Peak "double.")  I call him Pirate Man because of his skull-n-crossbones head scarf thing, which he always seems to wear.   

This is a tiny race, probably about 200 runners (though I am sure that will grow when word gets out to the introvert naturalists).  We arrived at the start with only 30 minutes to spare (though the race started 10 minutes late). Most of the women got in line for the 3 POPs and most of the men headed for the woods.  

Incidentally, I loved my new trick of sacrificing some old knee socks to their Higher Purpose in Life: cut off the toes and wear them on the arms until the day warms up. Ditch them at an aid station.  :) 

I was among those in the first bus, and the first dozen or so in line for the POP.  Next to the POPs was parked a van, and next to that was a campfire blazing, a tent, and a beach umbrella. Some poor old (ie my age) hippy had set up camp next to what he thought was a very lucky find (the POPs), and came out of his little tent half naked to find 200 runners swarming out of three school buses.  "What the h-- is going on?"  We cordially invited him to run the marathon, but he declined.  

The start area was situated in the midst of a part of forest that recently burned. Several young firefighters were killed in that fire and there is a memorial up there to them.  The "forest" right there is charred snags.  

The start line was, literally, a line scratched across the road with a stick. It was great - funny, but also appropriate. Keep that entry fee low!  Who needs chip mats between friends. It took me all of about 2 seconds to get to the start after all. 

Those first four miles are where I believe I made my only race mistake.  I wish I had hung back a bit.  The road was made of what looked like white sand, with gravel here and there.  Every 14 inches or so a little ridge crossed the road; it looked like the pattern you get when snow melts and freezes repeatedly, which is probably why it was ridged.  The road was very windy and I was trying to cut the tangents while navigating through these constant ridges - very difficult.  I might have done better through the hills at the end if I'd saved my legs in this first part, but I didn't want to hold back too much on the downhill either.  Live and learn.  

At around mile 4 we crossed a little bridge onto blessed asphalt.  The story of the next 14 miles goes like this: forests, more forests, views and more views of the "wild Chewuch River" (which the course follows), and smokin fast downhills followed by many more uphills than I though possible along a river.  Every uphill gave me that feeling you get after eating too much of something too rich.  "Why oh why did I indulge!?" I did drive 21 miles of the course on Friday, so there really is no excuse other than my own optimism: "This hill isn't so bad! And look at all the downhill!"

Speaking of eating, just for the record, I got three bugs directly in my mouth, and one actually down my throat.  Eastern Washington is mostly dry, mostly hot, and mostly populated by bugs. We have also seen an abundance of mule deer, which are everywhere, and a grouse.  The only non-bug wildlife on the marathon course, however, was a dead squirrel on the road and a blue jay.  Those pesky front runners probably scared the rest away before I got there.  

At around mile 11 I realized my feet were making that awful floppy sound you get if you drag them.  I had just finished telling Mr. Sno how bad that is, how much energy it wastes.  So I stopped spacing out over the lovely forests and paid attention -- it was not my feet swishing the ground -- it was my shoes!  Both soles were coming off at the heel.  This pair is practically new! Arg!

I remembered that the race website promised duct tape among the aid station amenities (I now regret that I laughed at that).  So I scared the two older ladies at the next aid station by running at them with the following battle cry: "I need the duct tape! Quick!"  It was still in the package and we all fell on it like wolves trying to tear it open and find the start. Little good it did, since by mile 19 both the rubber and and duct tape were making that horrid swishing sound on the ground. 

Just before mile 20, the course pretty much leaves the forests and the real hills begin.  The terrain turns to farm and ranch land, with more open spaces and what seemed like an impossible amount of up hill.  When I get home I will post the one picture I took on the course, where I had been climbing for what seemed like most of a mile, crested the hill, and saw -- another uphill.  

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I need to just say right here that my quads have never hurt as bad in a marathon as they did around mile 23.  By 24, I would have drunk whiskey straight from the bottle if someone had handed me some.  And I hate whiskey.  

But even in these last, painful miles, the scenery was so lovely.   My legs were thrashed, but my energy level was good. Other than the Legs O' Torture, my only complaint is that it got so blasted hot every time the sun came out, which was quite a lot at that point. No puking though!  A bit nauseous from time to time, but always saved by a passing cloud.

With just a little under a mile to go we entered the town of Winthrop.  (It is a charming Western themed town, as you can see on the marathon website.) Rounding the final corner into town, Snoflake and Mr. Sno were there with cameras and they ran parallel to me for a block.  I am so lucky to have so much support from those two.  The medal was adorable, a western style badge shape. 

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Ponderings...  I am not sure what my future marathons will bring. I know I will always hope to get a faster time, a new PR (3 years is really a long dry spell), or a BQ.  But I am starting to wonder if it should be just a hope and a motivation for certain training runs, but not a race day goal.  Once upon a time I ran marathons only for fun.  I had a lot of fun today too, but more so after I realized I wasn't on course for a BQ and I relaxed a bit.  There came a point when I thought, "I can suffer on a nightmare level and maybe - only maybe - take some minutes off my time, or I can do my best but also relax enough to enjoy this beautiful place that I've come so far to see and experience."  Maybe I am not a BQ runner because that's what I tend to choose, and people who get a BQ choose the suffering.  And maybe BQ runners are simply faster athletes because of their everyday choices - or their background & genetics, over which of course I have no control.  I have no regrets about my choices (except maybe those first 4 miles), so what does that say about me?  I don't know the answer here, I just think these are questions worth asking.  I'm leaving my BQ goal on my blog for now, and maybe for all the time I blog here.  ...I know someone very close to me, in her 50s, who has climbed a corporate ladder to get to a certain position at her company, has suffered greatly and given up years of happiness, not to mention aspects of her health, and now she "has arrived."  Guess what? She is miserable.  The goal did not make her happy, as she thought it would. And look at all the happiness she gave up along the way to get the goal.  That will not be my story.  I will try not to be sad over what seems like my unendingly mediocre athleticism, though sadness is always there on the edge of my thoughts.  But there is no point for me in running marathons if I cannot choose to savor each one and whoop it up at the finish, even if I keep racking up 4:21s.  And I got an awesome shirt.  Thanks for listening. :)

The view from where I stayed... 

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ST3-M Miles: 26.20
Comments
From Bonnie on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 19:10:08 from 128.196.228.134

Another inspiring, and thought-provoking, race report Sno. It sounds like a beautiful race ... 4 miles in sand? wow, methinks not very beneficial for a BQ, PR, or overall good racing time. Good job sticking with it, despite aching quads, falling apart shoes and interesting fueling strategy (do bugs have a lot carbs?)!

Having watched your 10K and 5K prs drop over the past 2 years I would not say that a BQ is out of the question for you, if that is what you want, but like you and I have discussed before, I think it would mean changing up your training and your comfort level - and I am not sure that is something that you would choose (kind of like the corporate ladder). Regardless, I think that finding your joy is the most important thing ... I find a lot of joy in reading your posts and living through your runs ... so thank you!

From Dale on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 19:12:19 from 69.10.215.11

Yet another interesting race. You literally ran your shoes to death. Nice. Sounds like the course was quite "rolling", which doesn't translate well to fast. Sand-like isn't too fast either. But it sounds like you enjoyed it anyway, which is probably the point, right? I still think a BQ is in your future. Congrats.

From nicole on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 19:33:25 from 76.22.105.167

Sno, you are amazing! Another great marathon under your belt, and lots to ponder (for all of us). I thought of you this morning and perused the website and was SO JEALOUS. The course looks amazing, though I was shocked to read of all the uphills in your report after reading their course description - it was a little misleading! :-) Unfortunately I was also wrong in thinking it was the perfect day for a marathon here in rainy/overcast King County (duh, I'm an idiot, of course it is different over the mountains!).

Regardless, you did great, you persevered despite sand, falling-apart-shoes, nasty uphills, and some sun/heat. You DOMINATE!

From allie on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 19:39:04 from 174.19.51.35

+1 for the introverted naturalists and whiskey at mile 24. i love your race reports :)

great job today. you are consistent and strong, and i agree with the above that you have a BQ in you. but i also agree that doing what makes you happy is most important when it comes to setting running goals. you enjoyed the race, tested your limits and stuck with it to the end (even with floppy shoes!) in addition, you had the opportunity to take in some wonderful scenery. overall i would say you had one awesomely successful day.

From Carolyn in Colorado on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 20:37:55 from 24.8.167.243

Congrats on a fantastic race and a wonderful race report. You ran a great race in spite of the obstacles. I enjoy your perspective. And I think you are much more than a mediocre athlete. You have amazing stamina and endurance. I've learned that I just cannot keep up the miles like you do. Thanks for such a wonderful race report and congratulations again on your race.

From auntieem on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 20:46:43 from 24.18.72.35

Your report had me laughing out loud more than once! Especially the shoes and your mad attack on the duct tape. I only wish I HAD been there to hand you the whisky at mile 24!

AND, Sno, you are anything but a mediocre athlete. I am facing my second marathon in two years, and wish like anything I had your experience with the beast! Congratulations on this one; it sounds like an absolutely fantastic time.

From Burt on Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 23:47:54 from 68.225.214.248

My favorite part was the naked camper. Great job!

From april27 on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 09:39:44 from 99.119.107.223

My favs--the naked camper, duct tape, and the realization not to be so goal oriented towards one goal. Just enjoy the run!

From Barb on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:16:52 from 81.85.252.242

Hey Sno...GREAT run! Really enjoyed the report. Felt like I was running right along with you. Sounds like you really enjoyed yourself and that truly is what it's all about. I like having a goal as it keeps me going even though it maybe a lofty one. I still think you can BQ one of these days. Du courage!

From Metcalf Running on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:19:42 from 207.225.192.66

Nice Race!!! Sounds wonderful!!

From rAtTLeTrAp on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:16:35 from 75.196.126.11

Be careful what you ask for(whiskey), another blogger recently picked up a volunteer's mixed drink at an aid station around mile 20 :)

From JD on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 20:03:16 from 32.176.137.204

I really enjoyed you race report! Good stuff. Maybe the tent hippie mistakenly thought the race was for "introvert naturists". I wouldn't even know what Winthrop was if not for my friends who had moved there several years ago. They moved back to Utah a year ago, otherwise I might have made an attempt to combine the 14+ hour drive to visit them, with the marathon. Appreciated your "ponderings" as I'm pretty much at the same level on a comparitive age/gender basis as you. You've come within 11 or 12 minutes of getting a BQ, the closest I've come to a BQ marathon is 21 minutes. So, you're relatively faster than I. Ha! Of course it doesn't matter. I liked your corporate ladder climber analogy, it applies to many aspects in life. I've never been much for the corporate scene, but I'm enjoying the ride while I'm here. Congratulations on wrangling yet another marathon and not letting the experience get away from you in spite of the various obstacles you encountered. And thanks again for such a well written, thoughtful race report.

From DaveL on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 20:33:45 from 209.206.250.53

You're a great writer! I'm glad you enjoyed this event so much and are able to look past the BQ silliness (?) to what is truly important.

That said when the day comes you find a BQ to be very important to you my suggestion would be to not run as many marathons for a while! Run lots of 5 and 10ks for a season, pick a fast course in the fall, and go for it! I have a feeling you'd surprise yourself.

From Snoqualmie on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 23:45:34 from 24.18.192.33

Thank you EVERYONE for your comments!!!! This is such a great, supportive group. Or, at least the bloggers *I* hang out with are! lol

I feel somewhat crippled today, but I cannot wait to start running again and pick my next event.

Your thoughts are very important to me and I have read through the comments many times, and will probably do so many more times.

Pix added now!

From Barb on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 08:24:33 from 81.85.252.242

Thanks for the pix's! LOVE that medal! Definitely a classic!

From auntieem on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:09:36 from 67.182.144.71

Thanks for adding the pictures! I really love it over there. SOOO funny that the picture you took of the next uphill shows no runners in it, when in 10 days I will be running my marathon amongst thousands of other runners! Crazy. I love the medal too.

Incidentally, the Bellingham Bay marathon was on the weekend, and I have had the opportunity to run much of the new course over the past few months. It is almost all on paved roads now; very little trail time, and significantly flatter than the old course. You might want to keep it in mind for next year; I believe I will run it next year.

From nicole on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:20:02 from 128.208.244.70

That is the cutest medal EVER! It makes me want to do the marathon just for that. And the beautiful scenery. A little secluded though! Reminds me of the NODM (Sequim) Marathon - there were times when you'd be all alone on trails in the forest and seeing all these Cougar Xing, Bear Xing signs - though by that point death by cougar was almost welcome to continuing to run. :-)

From Little Bad Legs on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:28:26 from 70.6.52.24

Great report! I loved the comment about the hippie as well as the good tip about using old socks for arm warmers.

As others have said, I'm sure that BQ is doable. Keep up the solid training and it will come!!

From Jason McK on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 13:16:12 from 63.255.173.99

Sno - I loved your report. Reading the final paragraph reminded me a little of myself - ok, maybe a lot. If you interested, read on...

Your Myers Briggs personality test was fun. My wife and I both took it and found them to be quite accurate. We learned quite a bit about ourselves and it explained to each of us quite a bit about the other. It also explained an internal battle that I had with myself.

I remember thinking 2 years ago, after missing a BQ by about 24 minutes, "I'm not going to kill myself qualifying for Boston. I'll let it come to me." The following 21 months included 3 marathons 14-17 minutes too slow (as well as 3 others that weren't so close, 2 that I enjoyed immensely - that was my sole purpose in running them - and one destroyed by the flu). I had trained more miles, been more consistent from week to week training, and even worked on my speed, but it wasn't getting any closer. I think it was that internal battle - the one where I told myself that I'll just let it come to me. It was almost like an excuse that my personality couldn't handle. So I wavered between letting it come and truly following through with a plan of action that would surely help me meet my goal if I gave it 100%. After that 3rd race in that small window of time, I realized that I had 'wasted' so much time giving an 80% effort to reach a goal that apparently took 100%, not really being true to myself. I decided to give it 100% and follow a plan that many have succeeded with. I did what Sasha said - build to 8 miles 5 days a week + 16 on Saturdays, then bump it to 9 and 18, and eventually 10 and 20. Mondays, I did a little speed work - 2 and 3 mile intervals at MP, kind of a bigger workout. My long runs were either MP + 10%, or easy with the last 40 minutes progressing to race pace in 10 minute increments. All other runs were easy, at conversational pace. I finally gave it 100% for 11 weeks + a 2 week taper and beat my previous time by almost 24 minutes. 80% x 21 months = 16.8 months vs. 100% x 3 months = 3 months.

My plan now is to keep running marathons, mostly at the upper end of my aerobic pace for 20 miles, then race the final 10k. Once a year, I'll push myself and try to PR, but I really plan on enjoying each marathon for what they are (scenery, experience, people, etc.)

So, if you don't mind me saying, and I hate to be the one to say it (not really, I am an INTJ), if you're anything like me, you will not be satisfied until you BQ - You are an INTJ ( "Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action.") And you clearly have the speed to do it.

Now, if you're not having an internal battle (then I misread you), then do exactly what you said - whoop it up at the finish!

From april27 on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 19:13:31 from 99.188.251.180

Wow what a nice area. I don't know I would recommend it for a first marathon if you need someone to cheer you on. But seems like a great small race! And the medal is so cool!

From Mark on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 21:57:49 from 173.168.88.68

That looks like it was a beautiful course, not an easy one, but beautiful. I'm sure you'll make the choice that is right for you future races.

Great job on running another injury free race and enjoying it as well.

From baldnspicy on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 23:15:52 from 72.77.68.219

I've got to go back and read your race reports if they're anything like this one. You're one heck of a writer and I love your introspective.

A few points:

1) Who is this Pirate Man and why is he copying my signature skull and crossbones dorag??

2) I knew all those 80's tube socks I kept in the box would come in handy! Normally, I just take one of the 3 $1.99 long sleeved t-shirts from Goodwill, but the tube socks are awesome and so much easier to pull off!

3) You definitely have your head in the right place. I have reflected on my own BQ goal and wonder why it is that the BQ is so important. If Boston was like any other marathon and there weren't any qualifying requirements, would it be as big a deal? I'd say just run to enjoy running. If you keep the same pace as you have today, you'll eventually BQ because you'll keep gaining time as you get older, but think of how many marathons you will have raced (and the very cool medals you'll have) that you thoroughly enjoyed and had no regrets. WHEN the marathon happens that all things fall into place and you BQ, then you can celebrate even more. Thanks for helping me to keep my BQ goal in perspective. It's more about enjoying the journey.

4) I've got to run that marathon! I'm an introvert (or so I'm told) and that scenery is incredible! I could do without the naked hippie, though.

Congrats on a great race and thanks for a wonderful report!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:27:58 from 24.18.192.33

I'm taking one more vacation day to catch up on laundry, blogs, and house chores. So I have some time for individual responses that I'd like to write! Oh boy!

Baldnspicy - You are in good company. Pirate Man is unbelievable. And don't worry, I doubt the old hippy will ever come near that spot again.

Jason - Thanks for your perspective. It may be true that I will never be satisfied without a BQ, but it doesn't necessarily follow that I will become the kind of runner who earns one. It might be like my eternal belief that I'm going to lose 5 or 10 pounds - I don't seem to ever feel discouraged by it not happening. I just keep thinking it will. And the result may be that I am not *gaining* weight, which is quite an accomplishment when one is in one's 50s and obesity runs in the family. lol I do appreciate your encouragement, especially the idea of "letting it come to me," because even after all I said I still do "kinda" think I will get there.

Nicole - Yes, I know what you mean. I ran NODM a couple of years ago. This one was even lonelier. From the results page, it looks like there were only about 100 of us! But there was one woman who was within 100 yards of me the whole race. We were playing leap frog, with me walking through the water stations and her stopping periodically to stretch. She found a kick and beat me, but then again she was at least 10 years younger. As for bears and cougars - I thought I'd see more wildlife and joked with Mr. Sno about getting eaten by a bear on the course. Then yesterday, back here at home, a little black bear crossed the street in front of my car on Snoqualmie Parkway!

A-Em - I thought about you SO MUCH on the course. You would have loved it. I hope you find Chicago to be really fun, but the quiet and the beauty was right up your alley. And the picture doesn't show that there is a runner *way* up ahead, perhaps just cresting that next hill. Plus the lady right behind me (see my comment to Nicole). Why, it's practically crowded! lol That's very interesting about B'ham mar. I will look into that.

DaveL- You have a feeling I'd surprise myself, and I have a feeling I'd shoot myself. No, just kidding. You are saying the same thing Bonnie has told me for a long time, and I appreciate and believe every word. If I enjoyed speed work and short fast races even a little bit, I would definitely go that route. Thanks for the encouragement and the "BQ silliness" remark - that really made me laugh. I will recall the phrase if I ever start to take it too seriously again.

JD - I think you are closer than you think. You seem to have kicked your training into high gear this year. I believe you are enjoying your runs too, and that goes a long way! Thanks for the compliment.

Barb - You are a real inspiration to me. That's why I started reading your blog. Maybe I will join you in the sub-4:05:59 club someday, maybe not. But I will always appreciate the inspiration you have given me.

Carolyn - You were so faithful to your training plan this year. That takes a dedication to hard work I'm not sure I have. My so called dedication is really somewhat hedonistic, since I do what I like. Are you going to sign up for Boston?

Allie & Little Bad Legs - I am just plain star-struck by you guys, and so honored that you even read my blog. I love reading about your runs and your races. If I could get fitter by some kind of cyber-osmosis, you'd have gotten me there! Thank you for your continued encouragement!

Dale - I think the shoes died of some sudden disease, with or without my help. lol And for BOTH of them to go, at the same time! I have a mind to ask Brooks to pay my next marathon entry fee. Thanks for your continued encouragement - I've learned a lot from you!

Bonnie - I'm so glad that you continue to read my blog because I often think I must be disappointing you. You'll see from Dave's comment that your past advice to me has been seconded. You know your stuff! Thanks for not giving up on me! ;)

Burt, April, Lori & RT - thanks to you all as well for your comments. I have nothing specific to add, just loads of gratitude and Fuzzy Feelings of Friendship. :)

Now I have to figure out what I am doing next. I think I'll run the local Turkey Trot 5K in November. Pirate Man encouraged me to do CIM again (he'll be there of course), which is a possibility. So many marathons, so few temperate months of the year!

From Snoqualmie on Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 16:55:22 from 24.18.192.33

Ha! About half way down this page is a picture of me about to pass Pirate Man! http://www.myeverydayphotos.blogspot.com/

That was about halfway, but I still finished ahead of him by only about 8 minutes. I hope I'm running like that at age 81!

From Burt on Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 17:02:25 from 206.19.214.144

He looks just like Baldnspicy.

From april27 on Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 17:16:06 from 99.188.251.180

look at you muscles!

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