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Location:

Fort Collins,CO,

Member Since:

May 15, 2003

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Unaided PR's:
5K: 14:48 (Track - 2001)
10K: 30:45 (Track - 2001)
10K: 31:32 (Bolder Boulder - 2013)
Half Marathon: 1:06:09 (Duluth - 2013)
Marathon: 2:17:54 (Grandma's) - 2014)
Marathon: 2:19:47 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2013)
Marathon: 2:19:49 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2010)

Aided PR's:
10K: 29:38 (Des News - 2011)
Half Marathon: 1:05:30 (TOU Half - 2011)
Marathon: 2:18:09 (St George - 2007)
Marathon: 2:17:35 (Boston - 2011)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis in June of 2008. Started taking Enbrel in March, 2009.

Run as much as I can, and race as well as I can. Make the most of however much time I have left as an able-bodied runner.

Training for the 2018 Colorado Marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

  Run until I'm old, and then run some more. Stand tall.

Personal:

1 wife, 2 kids. 1 cat. Work as a GIS Specialist/Map Geek

Endure and persist; this pain will turn to your good. - Ovid

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. - Romans 5:1-5

 

 

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Rode my bike to the doctors office this morning. I saw a sports med guy named Dr. Lyons for my neck and SI joint, which have both been hurting pretty bad since February. He is definitely the best doctor of any sort I've been to in Logan, and would recommend him for sports injuries (he's in the Canyon View Orthopedics office, Budge Clinic). Mostly my favorable review for him comes from the the amount of the time he took with me (not in hurry), the thoroughness of which he explained and educated me, and also the fact that he's the first doctor I've been to that's given any respect to chiropractors and LMT's. It also helped that he is a marathoner.

Anyway, after some x-rays, he said that I probably have facet arthrosis in my neck, which sounds worse than it is. Basically my neck is supposed to curve, but instead it's straight. Bad for the shock absorption, I guess. He said it's also kind of a cartilage issue, and very similar in some ways to having runners' knee in my neck. He also noted that my joint and ligament flexibility is unusually high, and my muscle flexibility is too low. Many people have point out my poor muscle flexibility, but he's the first to talk about a different type of flexibility. Unfortunately, this combination may make me susceptible to injury and misalignment, perhaps explaining why I've had runners' knee in both knee at different times, chronic SI pain on both sides, and neck pain for no apparent reason.

I had told him that ibuprofen was effective in easing the pain. He thought that was a good sign, but rather like dropping a glass of water on a large fire. He suggested something more like dropping a large bucket on a fire, which of course means cortisone. So now I'm taking oral cortisone for 6 days. This is the most powerful anti-inflammitory available, so it may just snuff out the fire, and allow my neck to relax or whatever it needs to do. But if the cortisone doesn't do it on it's own, he also prescribed physical therapy (yea!). So I'll see how things go through the weekend, and may or may not start PT next week. Of course, I also have Josse's magic scraping tools on the way, so I have high hopes for those too. I'm really sick of PT, and don't want to go back. If the PT doesn't work, he said that the next step would be doing a blood test for some condition or disease that I may have symptoms of, but I honestly forgot the name. I think he said it goes by A.S. for short.

A habit I'm trying to get into is asking for a DVD of any x-ray I get, or any ultrasound my wife gets. I figure it's my body, so I should have a record of this stuff. And the hospital staff seems ready to oblige, all you have to do is ask. For your blog amusement, here's the image of my too-straight neck. Note that I do indeed have a brain.


Comments
From Lybi on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:32:28

Those are some pretty impressive looking neck bones, Paul. Very straight, though! Ouch. Glad you've found a great doctor. You are definitely due for a lucky break in the health care department.

P.S. This post is almost enough to scare me into stretching. In fact, I'm going to go stretch right now, and it's all your fault!

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:39:20

Pettibon method is very effective at correcting the neck curve. Dr. Cory Kingston would be the guy to see about that. He is the one who treated Trever Ball. It is quite pricey, though, and your insurance may not cover it.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:41:38

Yes, and this X-ray is actually very helpful. It shows one could have decent Quality X with a bad neck curve. So while a bad neck curve may make one prone to injuries, it does not necessarily kill the sustainable top end speed.

From Paul Petersen on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:15:03

Sasha - what makes you think my neck has always been like this? The doctor seemed to think that it's a new development from the last three months, and I agree with that. So if anything, I've lost your Quality X, seeing as to how I can't even run a 7-minute mile right now. I would bet money that my neck had a beautiful curve during the Olympic Trials last year. In reality, my bad neck curve is simply one more injury resulting from some other condition, and not the cause of other injury, as you are suggesting.

This I know for sure. Three months ago my neck didn't hurt. Now I can't even roll my head back or check my blind spot without extreme pain. I could give a rip about running right now, I just want to stop hurting.

From Jon on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:09:10

Get better soon, buddy. Sorry to hear about all your problems.

From Andy on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:31:47

That is an awfully revealing photo for a family friendly site. Hopefully this round of treatment will take care of your injuries. Good luck.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:51:17

Paul - ask your doctor if it is possible to lose the neck curve like this without a major trauma. I wonder if it was not great to start with, but still within the range where you could compensate, but now got to this point with a little bit of help from other ailing parts. Or if it just went from near perfect to this suddenly.

At least for myself - I was able to correct my neck curvature from what Dr. Jex said was really bad (16 degrees) to nearly ideal (30 degrees, ideal being 35-45), and it made zero difference in the Quality X or injury resistance. My 5 K speed remained the same. The marathon and the half improved a little bit when I started running higher mileage. And as you know, I was not getting injured before, and was not getting injured after either. As far as the neck pain is concerned, it did not hurt before and it did not hurt after.

I suppose different schools of thought have a different view on the cause-effect thing in this area. Pettibon thinks the neck is the cause of other problems. I have not seen much evidence in my case to support that. But he is getting his ideas from somewhere, and apparently he has had success in some cases by starting with the neck. Last time I talked to Trever (Magna 5 K 2007) he was a firm believer that fixing his neck was what fixed his other problems. But who knows - maybe it was the overall therapy that did it, and the neck is just a red herring.

In any case, as frustrating as the whole experience might be, we are at least learning something.

From Paul Petersen on Thu, May 15, 2008 at 13:11:37

Sasha - I already asked the doctor that. He said that with my condition, just a few hours of sleeping wrong on the pillow could throw my neck out. Then if it doesn't get fixed quickly, it will just persist and get harder to correct. So no, a major trauma is not necessary.

From James on Sat, May 17, 2008 at 21:49:34

Looks like you still have all of those course records.

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