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Location:

Fort Collins,CO,

Member Since:

May 15, 2003

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Unaided PR's:
5K: 14:48 (Track - 2001)
10K: 30:45 (Track - 2001)
10K: 31:32 (Bolder Boulder - 2013)
Half Marathon: 1:06:09 (Duluth - 2013)
Marathon: 2:17:54 (Grandma's) - 2014)
Marathon: 2:19:47 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2013)
Marathon: 2:19:49 (Indianapolis Monumental - 2010)

Aided PR's:
10K: 29:38 (Des News - 2011)
Half Marathon: 1:05:30 (TOU Half - 2011)
Marathon: 2:18:09 (St George - 2007)
Marathon: 2:17:35 (Boston - 2011)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis in June of 2008. Started taking Enbrel in March, 2009.

Run as much as I can, and race as well as I can. Make the most of however much time I have left as an able-bodied runner.

Training for the 2018 Colorado Marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

  Run until I'm old, and then run some more. Stand tall.

Personal:

1 wife, 2 kids. 1 cat. Work as a GIS Specialist/Map Geek

Endure and persist; this pain will turn to your good. - Ovid

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. - Romans 5:1-5

 

 

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For anyone interested, I've posted on entry on my personal blog about the potential effects of taking days off. The entry stems from a message board discussion here, so mostly other people's ideas, but an interesting topic.

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Ran up to Dry Canyon, then did the Deerfence/Bonnville trail over to Millville Canyon. No snow, very little mud, and generally good footing (for that trail anyway). I tried to work the hills up to the trail and then work hard on the trail itself to get a good aerobic (and occasionally anaerobic) workout it. Kept the HR above 160 for most of this run and averaged around 7:30/mile. Once I got off the trail, I tried to keep a 6:30 pace for most of the rest of the run, which put my HR in the mid- to upper-150s. All in all, a good medium-long run and a good workout without being too format about it.

(Cascadias: 34 miles)

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 14:44:00

My take on it. In the Ten Commandments it says: "Six days shalt thou labor, and on the seventh shalt thou rest". There are two parts to the commandment - part one, work really hard for six days, and part two, take a break for a day. I believe the commandment came from God, and one reason He told us to do so is that He made our bodies so they operate best on the 6-1 regimen. With that in mind, my approach is to run so hard Monday through Saturday so I do not feel like running on Sunday. However, not so hard to not make me want to run the following Monday.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 15:35:55

I used to run on Sunday but and at the time I felt it helped me more in the mental area than anywhere. I now choose to honor the sabbath day and personally it has not hurt me. I run twice a day quite often, Are you telling me 7x a week is superior to 8-12x a week with one 24hr period to completely rest the mind and body? Maybe it works for you and thats fine. But as for me the spiritual benefits far outweigh what little physical gain I could possibly receive. By the way I happen to know for a fact that Ryan Hall does not run on Sunday...

From Mike on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 15:36:49

Sasha,

Your argument assumes that running is work, Sunday or any other day of the week.

I agree that you can have great success with running 6 days a week. Sasha has done a good job of using Sunday as a recovery day. I personally like to run long on Sunday, after Mass of course. There are times in my training when taking a day off means that I am sick. Other times I am more willing to listen to aches and pains. After marathons I have always regretted running too soon. My point, if there is one, is that you need to have a reason to run. Whether it is a hard workout, base miles, recovery, pure barefoot-in-the-grass joy, it should be about training. The same with days off.

In the traditional Kenyan system the runners take at least a month off a year. Ethiopian Haile Gebresalassie runs twice a day every day except for Christmas. Both have had success because each of them do it for a reason.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 15:51:06

Steve - Ryan Hall did run on Sunday when he set his half-marathon record. That said, I still firmly believe in not training or racing on Sunday. I think in addition to the temporal blessing attached to the natural 6-1 pattern, there are less tangible spiritual blessing that come into play that will affect your running among other things.

Mike - running is sure work. At least when you try to be competitive. Sometimes it is more enjoyable than at other times. Just like any other kind of job. Sometimes it is fun, sometimes it is not, but if you want good results, you go out and do it no matter the weather or your mood.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:03:24

Thats news to me then because in an interview he said that he did not while others did.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:05:24

Maybe what he meant is that he did not train on Sundays.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:10:09

Either way to me it is only one part of a mix of ingredients that enable one to become successful. We all are free to choose our own path and thats the way God meant it to be.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:12:52

Either way to me it is only one part of a mix of ingredients that enable one to become successful. We all are free to choose our own path and thats the way God meant it to be.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:30:50

Thats news to me then because in an interview he said that he did not while others did.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:35:24

Sorry about the reloaded pages, I was trying to refresh the page for new replys and instesd it only reloaded my entrys.

From Mike on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 16:43:05

Paul's original question was about effects of taking days off, not just Sundays.

Sasha, how dare you accuse me of having a job. I enjoy my joblessness and will not tolerate anyone thinking that I work. It wreaks my "kept man" status. No W-2's here.

Back to the point I was trying to make. A planned day off is a training method. It has its place in a program. Sasha and Steve have used it well. I don't because it is not part of my program. I take days when my body needs a day. I could have run through my last foot problem but I've learned from Paul not to force it. I learned it on this site and his blog. Thanks Paul. Running last week would have been for pride.

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 17:19:23

Well, in the end you may very well be right about the performance issue. But Im still going take a day off and that day is Sunday. I just left a job for that reason. So for me it is about the sabbath.

From Paul Petersen on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 17:59:26

Wow, I leave to go run for a couple hours, and I come back to vigorous debate! Thanks for the input though, everyone has really good points. I was hoping to drum up some good discussion and challenge people a little bit (including myself). In case yoiu can't tell, I like playing "devil's advocate". Also, keep in mind I was pulling most of that stuff off another site. It's a good thread to read if you haven't already.

I agree with Mike that running is not necessarily "work" (which I why I don't have a problem running on Sunday despite my evangelical protestantism). I consider my little Sunday trail runs and watchless jaunts to be "play" even. I's quite invorgorating and even spirtual to me, a time for meditation and worship. But play to one man can be work to another.

Mike also makes a good point about training programs. When I was coming back from injury, I started at 4 days/week running, then 5, then 6, with x-training supplementing some of the other days. The days off were important for me to insure steady progress and monitor my body. Currently I'm healthy, with a big base, and NOW it fits in my training program to run a couple weeks in a row without a day off. But before it would have been suicide. Like I said in the blog, lots of good reasons to take a planned day off.

Hey guys, thanks for a good debate! It's great to have a friendly discussion about training (and life) philosophies.

From Paul Petersen on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 18:26:14

Steve: I think you are right, running 8-12x per week with a day off would be better than 7x per week with no days off. Similar principle: running more often makes you faster!

From steve ashbaker on Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 21:58:39

Thanks for eveybodys input. I know I can be opinionated and a bit too serious at times.

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