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Location:

Mapleton,UT,USA

Member Since:

Aug 22, 2012

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

1:08:17 Drop 13 Half 2015

2:41:14 St George Marathon 2012

17:28 5k Rex Lee 2015 (but sub 16 inside some of my halves, downhill doesn't count)

Short-Term Running Goals:

2013 Races

2014 Races

2015 Races!

1/3 Snowman Half - 1:23:14 1st

Total Domination

3/7 Rex Lee Cancer 5k - 16:53 7th (5k PR)

Masters Domination

3/21 Running of the Leopards - 16:48 13th

AG Domination

4/11 Timp Shadow - 21:28 5th (1k PR)

Masters Domination

4/18 Salt Lake Half Marathon - 1:20:56 18th

AG Domination

5/2 Provo City Half Marathon - 1:16:12 4th

Masters Domination

5/9 - Dino Half - 1:15:20 1st (CR)

Course Domination

5/30 Timp Trail Half - 1:50 1st

Total Domination

6/6 Art City 5K - 17:20 13th

AG Domination

6/13 Drop 13 - 1:08:17 (PR) (CR)

Course Domination

Long-Term Running Goals:

17:00 5k

1:08 downhill half [done]

34:30 10k

Never get old

Personal:

Married, three kids, have a problem with going out too fast in races but it's too fun to quit

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Very illuminating run today, thanks again to Sasha for taking the time out to do it, in this case he took 9 seconds out of last week's 3 mile time. 5 super slow up the canyon, then we started off and immediately clamped it to a 5:20 pace which was pretty hard at first because I am used to touching the ceiling before settling in. First mile was only 90% instead of 96%, second mile climbed to 97% average, third mile went from 99% at beginning to 102% at end instead of 102 to 105 like last week. I even had a very tiny kick sort of. Recovery was similar to last week but I felt very zippy driving home, although slightly fatigued right now and drinking a lot. I can see that going out slower doesn't make the last mile a whole lot easier, but it does make it decently faster. It felt like he was speeding up all through the second mile but in reality it was a bit slower, as splits were 5:17, 5:23 and 5:21 (totaling 16:00 and change) I didn't hit the lactic painwall until 2.25 instead of 1.75 this time. I can see what needs to be done but it will take many many high end workouts to get the pacing right and balance adrenal output with push. Also I kind of had a bad mental attitude in the middle two quarters of the third mile and would have slowed significantly without Sasha's presence.

So at least the lights are on, but there isn't anybody home yet :)

Comments
From JimmySG on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:21:10 from 204.113.19.55

Good run this morning. I am very interested to see how this training goes.

From Chad Robinson on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:35:15 from 50.73.39.89

Nice job Dave - 9 seconds improvement is fantastic. I wish I could have Sasha with me on all my runs.

From Dave Taylor on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:41:33 from 63.255.191.163

Thanks you guys, it has been really great to run with him. Now I have to practice what he showed me on my own for a few months, then I will do it again with him and we will see what the improvement has been :) Next week will be mile intervals, I am probably going to do some hill workouts on the Art City hill of doom Thurs even though S said I should probably stick to long slow I just really want to break my mental block on that hill. But the rest of the time I will be a good boy and run my 8s and maybe pop the last two miles of the long run really hard. I think Hobble Creek 15 this weekend. Then two weeks from today I will do the 1 up 3 down 3 up 2 down 1 up workout up Left Fork and see how that goes.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 14:54:49 from 69.28.149.29

Dave:

I think your next speed workout should be the same 3 mile course with the splits of 5:30, 5:23, and 5:15. If you do it somewhere else, adjust accordingly, but you are welcome to join me and Benjamin (assuming he is not wiped out after Saturday) next Tuesday for it.

I think you are losing about 2 minutes in a half marathon merely due to the lack of control over the adrenal glands. They are hyperactive early in the race, but then after some time they shut down. This workout will give you a chance to practice countering the trend.

Hitting the pace correctly is important for this purpose. When you get to mile 3 your adrenal glands need to be in a state where they are tired enough to where it would require effort to get them moving, yet not so tired that they become completely unresponsive. Note that the total time for the run is going to be only 16:08, but this going to be very hard because you will have to run in a pattern to which you are not accustomed. You may need to repeat it several times until you learn the pattern of pushing through this kind of fatigue and unlocking the top gear in those circumstances.

For this Saturday I would recommend going 18 starting at 8:00, then after 2 miles speed up to 7:30, around 8-10 mile mark speed up to 7:00, and run the last 2 miles under 6:00 if you are running flat or down 1% grade, adjust accordingly otherwise. Do not exceed the target speeds until the last 2 miles.

Chad - move to Orem :-)

From Dave Taylor on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 15:19:56 from 63.255.191.163

My body is telling me right now that it likes that workout very much, sounds like the next Tuesday one might be a very good 5k practice at the least. Probably much better than miles. I am a little leery of getting miles too far above 50 this week after the steady climb from 40 but if I go a little less on Friday and feel good I'll try the full 18. Half will be uphill/upwind on Hobble Creek Half course so if I stay at 7:45 to the top the load should be equivalent, then I will drop to 6:45 going down then 5:55 - wind speed in MPH for last 2.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, May 21, 2013 at 16:53:48 from 69.28.149.29

Dave:

Sounds like a good plan - except I would make the following adjustments. Keep the daily mileage at 8, and cut the long run as needed if you feel tired.

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