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Eatonville,WA,USA

Member Since:

Nov 01, 2007

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Male

Goal Type:

Age Division Winner

Running Accomplishments:

Short-Term Running Goals:

Regain consistency.

Build up slowly and come out strong.

Regain "speed" (relative)

Finish WR50 again.

Improve at Cascade Crest. 

2013 Races:

  • Capital Peak Mega Fat Ass 17M (1/19) - 2:48:48
  • Yakima Skyline Rim 50K (4/21) - 7:16:20
  • Grey Rock 50K (5/13)
  • White River 50M (7/27)
  • Cascade Crest 100M (8/24-25)

 

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Find my true running potential, then exceed it.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.190.000.005.0020.19

3.93 miles in 30:04, 7:38/mi, HR 147.

Turned what was supposed to be my hard workout warmup into my secondary workout for the day....too many high-schoolers walking and gabbing on the track to have any chance of getting Yasso 800s in.  Will try again this evening.

NB 903 - 42.15 miles.

10 x Yasso 800 Workout.  16.26 miles in 1:58:59, 7:19/mi, HR 153.  30 minute warmup, 4.04 mi, 7:25/mi, HR 146.  10 x 800m repeats, w/ ~2:55 rest.  30 minute cooldown, 3.72 mi, 8:04/mi, HR 146.

Repeat Time
Avg HR
Max HR
12:56
162
174
22:55
168
175
3 2:54
169
176
42:55
169
178
5 2:54
170
177
6
2:55
169
177
7
2:55
164
176
8
2:57
168
177
9
2:59
167
176
10
2:56
168

176

My goal was to keep the repeats at 2:55 or under and to stay consistent.  Missed the mark on both accounts.  Average was 2:55.6 so not too far off on the average but I obviously faded towards the end, pretty badly on repeat 9.  Wound up taking a bit longer rest between repeats 6 & 7 to make some shoe adjustments (more on that later).  My legs felt tired early and they just got deader as the repeats progressed.  I tried various mental tricks to get more consistent speed out on the repeats with some success but not enough.  The fade on the last few was in the last lap.....I was on pace for the first 400m but faded on the second.  Workout pretty comparable to the 8 x 800s version I did in March but not as good as the one I did in April so more work still to be done just to get back to that fitness level.  There was a bit of an unfriendly crosswind/headwind that picked up later in the repeats and I did wind up running this in the evening after flipping the day's workouts but no excuses....should've been better.

The hot spot under my 5th metatarsal on my left foot appeared again and started getting painful so I tightened up the laces, which helped but didn't eliminate the problem so I need to investigate that further.  Only happens when wearing these lightweight trainers and running fast and long.....didn't occur on hill repeats so I think it crops up in longer intervals/races.

NB 903 - 42.15 miles.

Night Sleep Time: 8.50Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 8.50
Comments
From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 13:19:39

Very interesting. Have you used Yasso 800's in the past? I read about them once, but have not ever tried it. No track nearby, but if I had one I'd definitely want to give it a try. Sounds tough though. 10 x 800's at a time that looks like your marathon goal only in minutes/seconds, right?

From RivertonPaul on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 13:21:12

Big work out day, well done.

From Dale on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 13:33:38

Thanks.

Yes, I did two sets of them in the buildup to my last marathon, 8 sets in the first and 10 in the second (http://dale.fastrunningblog.com/blog--Yasso-800s-workout-today-30-minute-3/03-11-2008.html and http://dale.fastrunningblog.com/blog--15-76-in-1-57-27-7-27-mi-HR-154-30/04-08-2008.html). It is a tough workout.....for me it was 5 miles total at faster-than-5K pace.

Conventional wisdom holds that if you can run 10 repeats at your hours/minutes marathon pace in minutes/seconds for each repeat, you'll be able to complete your marathon at that speed. My coach feels like it predicts about 5 minutes too fast (http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/marathonpredictors.htm), so I was aiming for 2:55s or better so I'm setup for a sub-3 next month (gosh, is my marathon one month away already? crimney!) It's more of a confidence builder/fitness validator than anything else, but it'll sure take it out of you (at least it does me!)

In any event, it's mostly aerobic capacity, not necessarily endurance related so some will argue that it doesn't really mean much. But there does seem to be a pretty decent correlation between the times for whatever reason.

No tracks in Snoqualmie? I ran the 5K up there recently and the track at the local high school looked really nice. Mt. Si, I think? The only tricky part is availability since school has started again, but maybe fellow blogger Sean can provide some advice in that regards since he's from your area.

From Snoqualmie on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 14:06:22

Thanks for the info. So I would have to run them in 4:05 to reliably project a 4:10 marathon? Seems more likely that it would be an algorithm, with slower folks adding more (or less?) time and faster folks the opposite. Oh well. It would be nice to see how I do.

Yes the high school has a track, but you have to have some kind of clout to get a key to the gate. At least that's what my neighbor told me. Might be worth looking into, but I'm running pretty much in the dark right now anyway; shortly after daylight (and getting shorter) I have to resume my Mom-duty. I sure would like to try it though. We'll see.

From Dale on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 14:18:09

Yup, depending on whose theory you ascribe to, you'd either need to run 4:05s or 4:10s. But it's just one indicator, not really a reliable predictor. I averaged 2:56s on my set last April and wound up running a 3:08 marathon...mostly because it had some rolling hills and it was unseasonably warm I think. Nonetheless, the Yasso's are really just an indicator of one area of fitness: Aerobic Capacity. They don't really address your overall endurance and stamina. Still, it is one tool available to help give you an idea of what your potential is.

Maybe just call the school up and ask the question? Ours is left open most of the time so its not a big deal, but in my estimation since I'm paying taxes for facilities, they should be available to me when not being used by the school.

As far as the sliding algorithm goes.....one of the pleasing things about the Yasso predictor is it's simplicity. That, of course, doesn't necessarily make it correct in all cases. Just another tool to use or discard, I guess.

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