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Location:

Mesa,AZ,

Member Since:

Mar 20, 2006

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Age Division Winner

Running Accomplishments:

  • Mile: 4:37 (HS)
  • 2 Mile: 10:11 (HS)
  • 10K: 35:52 (HS)
  • 5K - 18:15 (ARR Summer Race Series #1 - 2008)
  • 1/2 Marathon: 1:32:00 (St. George 2008 enroute)
  • Marathon: 3:10:56 (St. George 2008)

Short-Term Running Goals:

  1. Get down to 155 lbs 
  2. Run sub 18:00 5K
  3. Run sub 1:30 1/2 marathon
  4. Run sub 3:00 marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

  1. qualify for Boston Marathon
  2. run Boston Marathon
  3. run sub-2:50 marathon
  4. run sub-1:20 1/2 marathon
  5. run sub-17:00 5K
  6. beat my high school 10K time of 35:52

Personal:

I was married in 1997 to my beautiful wife Lybi (confessions of a piano teacher on the blog), and we have 3 wonderful boys who are just as active as I was when I was little (he he). I grew up in southeastern Michigan, and my family became members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when I was 6. I attended BYU, and served a mission in Berlin, Germany. After graduating from BYU with a degree in Health and Human Performance (pre-physical therapy), I promptly changed careers and started working with computers (although no programming for me). We have moved across the country several times, and currently live in Mesa, AZ.  I work in computer security for a major nationwide homebuilder.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Saucony Grid C2 Flash Lifetime Miles: 148.66
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTrainer 1 MilesTrainer 2 MilesRacer MilesTotal Distance
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Another routine morning run, felt a little better than Tuesday. I tried to concentrate today on keeping my breathing relaxed and even.

Mile 1 - 8:14, Mile 2 - 7:43, Mile 3 - 7:08, Mile 4 - 7:32, 1/2 mile cool-down at 4:49. Total time - 35:27. I am actually finding it kind of hard to stick to my plan of only running 3 days a week until my long run gets to 10 miles, but since I want to avoid injury and run St. George, I will keep with it.

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00Weight: 0.00
Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:07:10

I think 10 mile long run with only three days a week might be a little skewed. The cause of injuries is more the imbalance of volume than the volume itself. The extreme example is if you run 60 miles in one day once a week with no other running, your risk of injury is close to 100%, while if you do two runs a day 5 miles each 6 days a week, you will be much less prone to injury.

I would recommend going 4-6 with 2 miles at 7:15 or so pace in the middle when you feel fresh but not immediately after a hard day, and 2 miles at about 9:00 pace on an even grass surface if possible when you do not, but train 6 days a week. If you feel exceptionally bad, go only 1 mile at 10:00 pace or slower to keep the discpline up and the weight down.

From James on Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 11:29:52

So do you think it would be better to go ahead and add that 4th day in right now, rather than wait until my long run gets longer? The reason for my doing that was that I am trying to stay with the 10% rule - increase your weekly mileage no more than 10% per week, and the easiest way for me to do this was to add an extra mile to my long ru. I am trying to get in a good base before I start doing tempo and speedwork - I just pulled a 16-week training schedule from Runner's World that had a good mix of easy runs, tempo runs and speedwork, which I am going to use for my preparation for St. George. My plan is to get to 30 miles/week by the time I am supposed to start this training plan (June 19th), and then my max mileage/week would be somewhere in the low 50's. With this plan, I would end up running 5 days a week, with Sunday and Thursday being my rest days. I would end up with a long run of 20 miles 1 month before the marathon. I appreciate your thoughts and comments.

From Sasha Pachev on Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 14:47:03

Yes, add the fourth, the fifth, and even the sixth day right now, if your schedule permits, but make the extra days extremely light.

10% rule is just a very rough rule of thumb, kind of like 220-age for your max heart rate ( according to which, I am 50 years old). There is nothing special about the 10%. I would say it is not a good idea to increase from 20 to 90 in one week. However, if you were to follow that rule literally, you would never start running if you are not already. 0 + 0*10% = 0.

There are a lot of factors involved in the training stress, not just mileage. The length of one training run contributes to the stress perhaps even more than the overall mileage. When you've run, your maximum recovery happens within a very short period of time, a little more happens shortly thereafter, and then you actually start losing fitness if you do not go out for another run soon enough. The actual times depend on how hard the earlier run was, your current level of fitness, your genetic qualities, your sleep, your diet, life stress, etc - it is very individual. What you want to achieve is what I call a positive cycle - over a period of time, let's say a week, you are always more fit than when you started.

If we are to learn from the elite runners, we will see that they train 2-3 times a day, but fairly light in most runs. I cannot think of any, in fact, that have or had a cycle of hammering themselves in one workout, and then doing nothing the next day. There is always a balance of a hard workout followed by an easy one for recovery. That is why I suggest 6 days a week with some very light.

Regarding Runner's World. I do not have a very high opinon of that magazine. I keep telling my running partner Eric that if he ran during the time he reads it he would be a better runner. Here is why. It is a highly commercial venture and it needs to make a buck. Unfortunately, in our culture, gimmicks sell a lot better than quality solitions. Improperly dressed women on the front page sell even better. So the market drives it to gimmicks and funny picture on the front page.

There is no universal training program that works for all runners. There are some basic principles, but trying to follow an N-week day-by-day plan written by somebody not familiar with your strengths and weaknesses is not very wise. You need to take a week at a time, and constantly adjust based on how you are progressing.

I do not think you will need any more speed than you currently have to run a 3:30 marathon. However, you will need some base mileage, long runs and especially long tempos eventually. Just forget the schedules, plans, etc, and go out and jog to build the base. Listen to your body, and adjust based on the feedback. You should probably be running most of your mileage at 9:00 pace. Run faster (7:00) for a little bit when bored, then back off to 9:00 when 7:00 becomes unbearable.

From James on Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 15:34:31

Wow, thanks for the comments! I will go ahead and try to add at least 1-2 days right away. Regarding the pace, I know it is going to be super hard for me to run at 9:00/mile - I don't know if I can even keep myself running that slow :) However, I will try to back off a little bit and build up the base more, and will make my additional days light workouts (1-2 miles). Maybe I can at least drop down to 8:30/mile with some faster sections in there.

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