The Qwer Old Fella's Marathon Method

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Location:

Tralee,Ireland

Member Since:

Oct 01, 2011

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

I've never worn compression socks.

Short-Term Running Goals:

To do a race.

Long-Term Running Goals:

1. Break the world record for the marathon in the 50+ age group, when I'm 50 in 2015.

2. Never wear compression socks.

 

Personal:

Married with two girls (6 and 10).

The Qwer Old Fella's Marathon Method is a four year experiment.

The first year (2012) was about getting back into running, staying off the smokes and booze, while sticking to a healthy eating plan and shedding mountains of lard. All boxes ticked.

Year two (2013 - age: 48) Injured Jan through March. Build back up and work on my 5k speed. Goal 15:45.

Year three (2014) will be about doing my first marathon in the spring. (Just for the experience and on a tough course - maybe Tralee; goal time, 2:30ish.) Then begins the prep work for Berlin 2015

Year four (2015) is all about breaking the world record for the marathon in the 50+ age group - it's only 2:19 :).

The above might sound nuts; it is, but then I'm nuts. Please do not copy any of the training I do: if you do, you are likely to end up running like me - not a good idea.

The idea is to have a laugh along the way. If I fail, I don't know what I'll do - my whole belief system will crumble and I suspect that this little rock might just stop spinning for a couple of seconds. Jakers, I better not fail for all our sakes. That's some burden, even for SuperBam.

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9:30 a.m. 8 miles, including 4.5 easy; dynamic stretching (15 min's AIS before the run); 8x Benjamin Buttons - intended to do 10 but form started going, so only did 8; 2.5 miles cool down, followed by 3 mins SRS.

'The Power of Threes' and what they're all about:

These three exercises should be performed in the order in which they are presented, and only when you are well rested. Specific strength training aims for positive adaptations of the nervous system as well as the muscles. Completing the exercises when you are over tired leads to poor neuromuscular co-ordination and movements that are slower than desirable.

That means that the trio of specific exercises should be completed before a running workout, not after, and in fact the best possible time is immediately before an interval, economy, or lactate threshold session, not before a slower workout.

While that may sound paradoxical (some might fear that strength training would slow down a subsequent training session), the truth is that positioning the exercises right before your high intensity workout will help you run faster. In fact, at least five different scientific studies have shown that a high intensity strength session activates the nervous system, increases the "firing rate" of nerve cells that control muscles, and improves the overall "recruitment" of muscle fibers during a workout.

Another caution: perform the third exercise, only on an aerobics floor, wooden gym floor, grass, a synthetic track, or any resilient surface which offers some "give". Hopping repeatedly on concrete or asphalt may increase the risk of overuse injuries to the lower leg and shin.

One final warning: form is everything; if your form is slacking, stop. You’ll get injured if your form is all over the shop. Especially watch that your knees stay above your ankles and don’t shoot forward. If your knees are moving forward – over your toes – you are stretching your patella tendon and you’ll end up a victim of your over-enthusiasm.

The high step up: This exercise strongly develops the hamstrings, with complimentary development of the gluteals (the "buttock" muscles) and the quadriceps. Simply begin from a standing position on top of a high bench/wall etc (approximately knee height), with your body weight on your left foot and your weight shifted toward the left heel (this is very important). The right foot should be free and held slightly behind the body. Lower the body in a controlled manner, until the toes of the right foot touch the ground, but maintain all of your weight on the left foot. Return to the starting position by driving downward with the left heel and straightening the left leg. Repeat for the prescribed number of repetitions (for all of the exercises it’s 15 to start – I’ll post how to develop all of the exercises) and then switch over to the right leg. Maintain absolutely upright posture with the trunk throughout the entire movement, with your hands held at your sides.

One leg squat: This exercise strongly develops the quadriceps and gluteals, with a complimentary boost to the hamstrings. To complete one leg squats in the correct way, stand with the left foot forward and the right foot back, with the feet about one shin length apart (your feet should be hip width apart from side to side). Place the toes of the right foot on a block or step, which is six to eight inches high. As in the step up exercise, most of the weight should be directed through the heel of the left foot. Bend the left leg and lower the body until the left knee reaches an angle of 90 degrees between the thigh and lower leg. Return to the starting position, maintaining upright posture with the trunk and holding your hands at your sides. Complete 15 repetitions with the left leg before switching to the right leg.

One leg hops in place: This exercise builds strength and co-ordination in the entire lower extremity, including the foot, ankle, shin, calf, thigh, and hip. (This is the daddy of all exercise.) The resilient, bouncy nature of the exercise makes it the most specific of the three and extremely close to the actual movements involved in running. Simply start from the same position you used for the one-leg squat, with the toes of the right foot supported by a six to eight inch block. Hop rapidly on the left foot at a cadence of 2.5 to 3 hops per second (25 to 30 foot contacts per 10 seconds) for 15 seconds. The left knee should rise about four to six inches, while the right leg and foot should remain stationary. The left foot should strike the ground in the area of the mid foot and spring upwards rapidly, as though it were contacting a very hot plate on a cooker. The hips should remain level and virtually motionless throughout the exercise, with very little vertical displacement. After hopping for 15 secs on the left leg, switch to the right leg and repeat the exercise.

Why hop on one foot instead of bounding from foot to foot, as runners usually do during their dills? For one thing, it is very difficult to move fast while you are bounding, so bounding is not very much like sizzling through a 5k or 10k race. By contrast, you can move very quickly during the one-leg hops, so your power expands dramatically and your co-ordination during high speed running improves greatly. Eventually you will learn to move more quickly and efficiently. Research by Russian scientists indicates that one-leg hopping is far superior to bounding at inducing improvements in leg speed

For similar reasons, the one leg squat is superior to runners' traditional exercise, the two legged squat. While a much greater load can be hoisted on the shoulders during a two-legged squat, that weight is distributed through two legs, not one, so the actual resistance per leg is often less. In addition, the trunk of the body is often inclined significantly forward in a two legged squat but remains nearly vertical in a one-leg effort, so the latter more closely parallels the form required for running. Plus, for purposes of maintaining balance, the feet are often angled outward during the two-leg squat, which is unnatural to running, while the feet point straight ahead during a one-leg effort. Overall, the one leg squat has the added advantage of being safer, since less total weight is used.

The first exercise, the high bench step up, is like climbing hills in the comfort of your own home or gym. You are basically lifting your body repeatedly against the force of gravity and powering your hamstrings, quads, and gluteals in the process. Like hill workouts, the step up should improve your running economy.

There you have it – The Power of Threes. None of these exercises are new, but putting them together in the way outlined will improve your stride length and frequency. I’ll show you how to develop the exercises and include them into other sessions – like what I did today.

Don’t do any of these exercises if you’re in the middle of marathon training. This stuff should be included in your base training and shouldn’t last much longer than 8 weeks – 12 if you’re a tad older like me.

Tomorrow I'll explain the 'Crazy Cubans' and then I'll go on to explain the 'Benjamin Buttons' and the 'Forever Youngs'.

6:00 p.m. 6 miles easy. The Benjies seem to have worked, although I don't look younger, my legs feel a lot fresher than they did this morning; not bad, as the session of Benjies is what I'd consider a toughish workout, especially on top the Power of Threes:)

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Comments
From jtshad on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 06:55:33 from 204.134.132.225

Good information, but this has been out there for quite a while. This is actually a concept called "The Power Triad" originally proposed by Walt Reynolds C.S.C.S. from Michigan Athletic Club.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/28551315/These-three-strength-training-exercises-will-improve-your-stride

Internet research is great and it is good to pass along useful training information that we find out there in the training community.

From Bam on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 07:33:39 from 213.191.250.108

You're absolutely right but I don't get your point. I'm not claiming to have 'invented' these exercises. In fact, I was categoric in pointing out that these ideas weren't mine - as I always do.

That said, how I 'mesh' them into 'my training' will prove - I believe - to be unique. Other exercises and drills will be posted that are not original too. But the way I employ them will prove to be original. If you had waited a little longer, you would have seen why they are called 'Power of Threes' rather than 'The Power Triad'. But I guess you shot your bolt with misplaced excitement.

If you now go back to the article and read it carefully, you'll notice that it is referenced. Now, if you check out who wrote some of the articles that the chap from Michigan nabbed the research off and then come back to "me", that would be very interesting!

From Brandon on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 08:10:07 from 67.199.164.200

Nice Bam! You've probably seen this but this is something I have been using that is a combo of sorts of 1 and 3. 100 ups:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by-rbM101XE&feature=player_embedded

I love the one leg hops. It's one of the exercises a local running store owner here swears by. Thanks for sharing some good info. It's interesting to me to think of doing these before a session. I will have to give it a whirl.

From Jake K on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 14:37:31 from 155.100.226.191

I like the way you are applying these exercises. There is always a tendency to throw this kind of stuff in at the end of a run - but even after an easy run, you are still doing them in a fatigued state, and the form usually isn't perfect (which is a big part of making this kind of stuff work) and the explosive stuff isn't very explosive.

From Rachelle on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 15:05:00 from 199.190.170.30

Interesting stuff Bam. I can only hope I'm coordinated enough to give it whirl!

As always thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. I get giddy with excitement like a kid in a candy store to check your blog for my new lesson each day. :)

From Bam on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 15:18:54 from 89.204.255.85

Many years ago, I was sat on a hillside in Cuba nursing a battered face, next to a fella who had stuffed me in the ring the night before. We were watching the legendary Alberto Juantorena aka 'White Lightning', oversee a training session that I have now dubbed Crazy Cubans. Prior to the session, they did 'The Power of Threes'.

I spoke to a friend of AJ's - I was a budding PT as well as a pants boxer. He told me that AJ had picked up the session from a Russian coach and used it in his base training. He coined the exercise 'Power of Threes', not because of the session itself but because of how you work the session in as a whole. This will make sense later...

I was told that the session had to be done before a workout, as is mentioned in the post above, which is picked up from an article - the article that jtshad has pointed out.

But what makes this all the more interesting is this:

Many years after my visit to Cuba, when my wife was a senior editor at Blackwell and was responsible for publishing the research that the above post is based on, the author stayed with us many times and most of the concepts and reasoning of the Power of Threes were fine tuned in my livingroom over several bottles of merlot!

Much of the strength training I will carry out over the next 12 weeks will be adapted from those conversations.

Some of Canova's 'stuff' originates from those conversations...

Now, you may remember many moons back, that on Jake's blog there was some stuff going on about barefoot running and I remarked about when I lived in Kenya and gave my trainers to Gazungo etc... Well, during that time, I was working on many athletes who are deemed to be Canovas.

Many of Canova's athletes do the Power of Threes and Crazy Cubans in what we (Alberto, Alberto, Smithy, and I) call the introductory phase. But this is all too boring, so I'll leave it there - for now.

From Jon on Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 18:28:59 from 98.71.144.219

I thought Sasha had long race reports, but you definitely beat him for long posts. Especially considering these are everyday posts.

Your goals are certainly challenging. 14:50 5k at age 48- while the WR is 14:51. And a 14:50 5k equates to 1:08 half, so your goal of 1:05 (another WR) is even more daunting. And then another WR the next year in the marathon. No one can accuse you of not aiming high. I will be interested to see how your racing goes before then.

Regarding all the training, my personal opinion is that there are absolutely no secrets to running. The key is just to run.

From Bam on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 05:53:31 from 89.204.171.86

Jon - I think you've got your wires crossed, lad; that's perfectly understandable if you are trying to make sense of my long-winded waffle. But then, if you don't like the long-winded waffle, there's an easy option...

The world record for the 45-49 group is substantially faster than my goal of 14.50, which is a conservative goal based on only one year of running - two years by the time I actually hope to achieve it. Maybe you mean that the record in Utah or somewhere in the US is 14:51 for the 45-49 group, I'm not sure.

I think if I were to adopt your approach of just lacing 'em up and getting out there for a blast - which is what I did in my youth when I was young and ignorant - I could bang out 15:30 in the spring (no great shakes), but I doubt I'd get much faster by adopting the follies and ignorance of youth.

The half record you've suggested is a good way out too - I'll let you look it up. You're probably right about 14:50 equating to 1:08. But when I approach the half, I'll have been running and doing lots of 'secret flummery' training for an extra year. So I'll be building on something around 14:50 (5k) and 31ish (10k); ergo, 1:05 while tough, is not too fanciful - if, and only if, you have my talent:).

I know that this might be difficult for you to comprehend. I've only been running a year and before that I was smoking 40 a-day and slugging back the wine etc (for many years), while you and many seasoned masters were out there just running, day-in, day-out, chatting about shin splints and stress fractures etc. But I think - I might be wrong, but I doubt it very much - that I'll be running sub 15 for 5k by the summer, without too much fuss. What happens after that is difficult to say, but I'm confident. You see Jon, some people have it and some don't; me, I own it, lad:)

I look forward to your continued interest and pearls of wisdom. Good luck with your running.

From Rob Murphy on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:13:59 from 163.248.33.220

Lot of hostility on this blog!

I promise you that if you were to "bang out" a 15:30 you wouldn't find anyone questioning your ideas.

From Bam on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:29:08 from 89.204.171.86

Friendly banter, Rob. jtshad and Jon popped up out of the blue with no salutations or anything resembling good-sprited nature and had a snipe. I've responded in a measured and jocular manner.

I'm just banging out my thoughts on training. In jtshad's "wisdom" (his little word of the day today - yes I've seen it, lad) and jon's wisdom too, they've decide to have a soft go. No problem. I get their reasons for the vitriol. They, and anybody else who wants to have a go, are welcome to come and say what they think. But here's some words of "wisdom", keep the invective jocular or if you wanna make it more hostile, message me. Things can be sorted pretty easily...

As to the 15:30 jibe Rob, I'm disappointed in you, I thought you had a bit more about you.

From Rob on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:02:38 from 204.15.86.95

I didn't think that was a jab from Jeff or Rob Bam. I'm sure we'd all love to see you Bang out a 15:30.

From Jake K on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:08:28 from 155.100.226.191

Anything outside the box of "Run 8 marathons a year" will be taken w/ some skepticism around here :-)

I am just as guilty of that w/ the mileage I like to do. But at lot of us do really appreciate the injection of new ideas... in some case, just hearing what is already common sense (which sometimes is easy to ignore)... improve at 5K/10K, then the Half-Marathon, in order to get really good at the marathon? Not rocket science.

Now, how you get there is way more interesting than rocket science... all that space-engineering stuff bores me to death :-)

From Bam on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:30:13 from 89.204.171.86

Rob - if that's the case, I'd be willing to apologise/let it go. I have apoligised many times in my life and every time I've meant it.

Now, let's see if the two lads have the backbone to step up to the plate and be honest - I doubt it based on jtshad's cowardly remarks posted on jon's blog today and his pathetic Magill comment on his own blog, which ironically is old news and it was posted on Jake's blog weeks ago - perhaps you didn't see that Rob.

If they have the backbone to come on here and say, 'Bam we think you're a bluffer, a fake, or that you're full of BS,' then they'll have earned my respect and I'll leave it there. I don't go giving it the large on their blog.

Jake, I get what you're saying and as usual you're right.

From Jake K on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:44:35 from 155.100.226.191

All of this prompted me to look up the master's all-time lists... I had forgotten that while in the USA we consider 40+ a masters runner, internationally its 35+. And that is CRAZY because a few fellas by the name of Lagat, Haile G, and Tergat have run 12:53, 26:51, 59:10, and 2:03:59 while over the age of 35. Holy smokes.

If you do scroll down to the 45+ and 50+ agre groups... it makes you depressed as a 28 year old to see what some of the "old timers" can do. Or maybe hopeful for the future? One or the other.

Also, Ed Whitlock ran a 1:38 HM at age 81 last week.

And now I have taken this way off topic.

From Rob on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:50:25 from 204.15.86.95

Humm, well OK then. I think I'll gracefully step out of this one.

From Steve on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:23:43 from 65.40.148.18

Who could resist this thread? Little bit of truth in it all I think. My two cents? Jon is right, running is about running, the rest writing. Outside of masters injuring themselves by having too much fun running stuff they shouldn't, they will simply run the best when they run the most.

I believe you can run a 15 min 5k. It just takes a lot of work and good health. A lot. Anyone on this blog who knows me can say I believe in some unusual stuff. But no one understands our potential yet.

You have input here from four of the most seasoned and smartest runners in the country here, Rob, Jon, Jeff,and Jake. I've run with and had my butt kicked at various times by each of them. Not one of them could be called a coward. Maybe old..

I'm excited to see what you'll be doing. It's all about the spirit

From Rob on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 16:08:49 from 204.15.86.95

I just couldn't stay away.

I think it's completely acceptable for skeptics to think you're insane for thinking you can turn a 17:?? 5K into a sub 15:00 in 6 months of Crazy Cubans and Benjamin Buttons.

Lucky for you there are events all over the world setup for the purpose of letting people like you prove to people like them that they are wrong without anyone calling anyone else names.

From Jon on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 20:04:55 from 98.71.145.176

http://www.arrs.net/SA_O5K.htm

http://www.arrs.net/SA_HMar.htm

Bam- Maybe you should do some research before you start making fun of "Utah records" or something like that. As best I can see, the 50 year old WR is indeed what I said it is for half and 5k (and marathon). Please let me know if another reputable source says otherwise.

For someone who "owns it, lad", I'd be curious to see some race results. Any. That's what I really love about running- the clock doesn't lie, and, as the great Quenton Cassidy said, thanks to races, "we are sometimes painfully and constantly aware of how we stack up."

I've just seen too many people join FRB with all kinds of crazy ideas only to fade out and distract others along the way. I wish you the best in your goals, I really do. I may have my own doubts, but I hope you succeed and attain what you are seeking. And if you do, please share the success with us. No vitriol intended. Just honesty. Cheers and happy running.

From Jon on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 20:06:04 from 98.71.145.176

And Steve, who you calling old?!? ;)

From Rob Murphy on Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 22:18:23 from 24.10.249.165

Bam - I honestly didn't mean to be insulting and I'm not sure how much their is "about me" but it's kind of hard tell that much about a person by a couple blog comments.

There is something to be said for establishing some credibility though. People pay attention to experts in any field for a reason. They have earned the right to be taken seriously.

That being said, I do enjoy your insights and you are a talented writer.

From jtshad on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 05:21:31 from 69.20.183.178

Wow, looks like I missed a lot of conversation on a day away from the blog!

All personal attacks and name calling aside, the FRB is a great place for support and to develop friendships (a big benefit of the running community). I too do hope you achieve your lofty goals as I expressed to you in my welcome salutation last October when you popped onto the blog, but I guess that is old news too. The vitriol, it appears, seems to be emanating from you, lad.

As Jon indicated, we have seen many individuals come on go on the blog expressing all kinds of thoughts, goals and information about running, training, racing which is a great benefit of this environment and we can all learn from new ideas of others. However, wisdom (yes, a good word) comes from experience…for which you have demonstrated absolute none in the running world. So if there is skepticism when you pass along training tips with cute names for others to improve at a distance you have never raced (or any distance for that matter) to tested racers it can be considered bravado. When you pass judgment on the goals, plans, training ideas of others who do have experience as you did on Jon on this thread and as you did on Peter Magill on Jake’s blog (sorry, missed this bit of old news a month ago), it can be considered baseless bashing. I find it a bit ironic that you bash Peter, a veteran demonstrated world class runner, for attempting to achieve the very goal to which you aspire...all this based on the depth of your wisdom for running marathons.

In my many years of participation on this blog, this type of bashing has not occurred often and hasn’t been in the spirit of the great people here who have established some awesome friendships.

So, good luck with your running and training and eventual racing. I hope that the training techniques you apply work for you in pursuing your running goals.

From Bam on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 07:24:35 from 213.191.253.163

Gentlemen: (Steve, Rob, Mr Murphy, jon, and jtshad) thanks for the comments and shedding some light on how you feel.

It would take me too long to deal with all the issues here and now, but deal with them I will.

The issues that warrant more detailed responses will be tackled on Monday, out in the open, on my blog - when I have more time. This will allow time for any others who feel a need to comment on my training and how I record it etc.

In the spirit of good manners and respect, I'll give you all a quick reply.

Steve - your comments were considered and balanced. Your defence of your friends is admirable and I'm sure justified.

Your opinions on masters and running and how you expressed the aforementioned, merits respect. I've heeded your words. Respect to you, sir.

Rob - The Peacemaker. Your attempts to diffuse an explosive situation are to be commended.

Yes, I understand how any sane person, looking in from the outside would view my goals as ludicrous. More to do with where I was at 12 months ago, than where I'm at today. If you measure how far I've come in 12 months off limited training, while trying to shed weight etc, then my goal is tough but doable.

The 17:?? 5k into sub 15 in 6 months, for me, isn't doable; I think that I could, if I so chose, run 15:30 in 6 months, if I continued doing the miles and some speedwork and lactate threshold runs. After 15:30, I doubt I would have improved. I ardently believe that 15:30 was/is/might still be achievable within the next 6 months, but that's not the goal. The goal is 14:50 by September (11 Months) - always with a view to the marathon.

Please note - that I will be 48 when I want to run 14:50 for 5K; I believe this puts me in the 45-49 age group - there appears to be some confusion here; I'm not 50, yet:)

Mr Murphy - if you don't mind I'll deal with our issues on Monday. For now, I believe that your intentions were well meant - I apologise for being impetuous and rash in my response.

jon - I want to deal with some of your issues on Monday, but I will address them in a general way rather than personalise them, as I believe you've raised some valid points.

For now, I wasn't mocking Utah records - I was genuinely confused as to how you were getting 14:51 as the WR, when it's clearly 14:23:??, even Magill ran faster than 14:50 in the 45-49 age group - I think 14:34 if my memory serves me correctly. I'm not sure, but I think the Irish record is faster than 14:50, if it's slower, it's not much slower. The same reasoning applies to the half. Yep, the WR for the marathon is 2:19:?? (50-55, which I will be when I intend to run a marathon).

Your point about me proving myself is valid. Anybody from Jake to whoever, will tell you that I'm always saying, 'It's one thing giving it the big chat (the way I do) and another delivering.' You see, most people get me, they get the humour and that the joke's on me and they dig at me in a fun way and we have the banter. I accept that some don't get me and misread me as being arrogant and deluded and want to see me fail - but that's their problem. Also on this point, the ownership thing - "some people have it and some don't; me, I own it, lad:)- the nuance, subtlety, intelligence and irony are in the smiley face at the end. Let me explain, as you clearly didn't get it, I was taking the p%&*, out of myself - as I'm prone to do. I'm not having a go here - I'm pointing out something you appear not to have picked up:)

Apropos of the training and FRB and charlatans etc - these are very valid concerns and I appreciate that you are well meaning when you raise this point. You point out the fact clearly and I get your concerns. I will, however, deal with this on Monday.

Thanks for backing up what you said. I know, from reading your blog, that you've finished with this issue and I will be finished with it on Monday. I hope there's nothing left to cross swords about. I respect your points and how you've articulated them. Thanks for the good wishes - it'll be interesting to see what happens...

jtshad - I can't take you seriously as a runner or a man. I have no further wish to correspond with you and I'll ignore anything you have to say - so save it, son.

From Jake K on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 08:25:59 from 67.177.11.154

Man this is getting longer than the time I posted the article about how Tim Noakes said you don't need to drink as much fluids at Gatorade tell you to! :-)

Thanks for the response(s) Bam.

For the record, 16 months ago my half-marathon PR was 1:12:30 and Andrea's was 1:33:58. We joined this blog and started to set some ridiculously high goals for ourselves. There's nothing wrong with shooting for the sun. Its the only way you are really going to find out how good you can be.

From Jon on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 09:03:41 from 74.177.124.194

Yes, thanks for the responses, Bam. I, too, have had quite a few instances where my sarcasm or attempts at humor haven't come across online to people who don't know me. As opposed to people who do know me, who either always ignore me or know I'm never serious. :)

Jake- you mean I'm not supposed to drink 300 oz of gatorade during a race? Maybe that would help with my 28 potty stops (plus the extra 45 pounds I'm lugging around).

From Jon on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 15:48:33 from 74.177.124.194

One final item- I do find it regrettable that Bam and jtshad have not gotten off on the best start. Bam, I will say that I have known Jeff for a long time and spent untold hours with him, and can attest that he is as upstanding, generous, friendly, and helpful of a man as you will ever meet. And I feel confident that the FRB-ers who have met him will likewise agree.

From Ben VanBeekum on Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:35:12 from 159.212.71.126

WOW! How can I be reading this 5 years later! This is insane crazy! I wasn't going to bring anything up but the spark turned into a fire reading some comments.

All I have to say is that ya'll that rejected Bam and his philosophies on training are ridiculous!

Bam has been helping and coaching me and my running buddies for the last year. He is a class act that knows what he is talking about. Someone said numbers don't lie. Well in 3 months of training with Bam he took a minute off my Half Marathon time and in six months time he took over 2 minutes off my marathon time. Also I don't think you can argue with a 2:16 marathon time that Riley threw down as well!

Bam I am glad that I got to know you on another forum. Also Jake I love the support you have given Bam. Class act in my book!

All I can say now is that 5 years later I hope that some of you have changed your mind. Because I will go to the grave for this man!

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