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Location:

Westminster,CO,USA

Member Since:

Nov 11, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

Finally started learning how to run in '09 after totally botching it up for the 14 years prior and dealing with chronic IT injury...have had zero IT band pain since fall of '09 and have run way more than ever before in my life...loving it.

PR's

Road Mile: 4:44 - Pearl St Mile August 2011 

2K: 6:32 - Uni HIll 2K 2011

3K: 10:07 - West end 3K 2011

5K - 16:53 - Turkey Leg 5K 2011

10K - 38:38 - Butte to Butte Eugene OR 2003 

Half - Never raced a half

Road Marathon - 2:57:19 - 11/12/2011 - solo.

Trail Marathon - 4:48 - Kings peak August 2011

55K - 4:59:54 - Moab red hot 55K 2011

Short-Term Running Goals:

Be healthy, run injury-free, listen to my body.

Sub 16 min 5K

Sub 34 min 10K

Sub 2:40 Marathon

    2012 Tentative Schedule

  1.  Quicker Quaker 5K January
  2. Boston Marathon - April
  3. ??

Long-Term Running Goals:

Get stronger, faster and more fit as a runner and biker to allow for bigger adventures as the years go on.

Still be running in my 80's.  

Personal:

I'm married to Nan Kennard and she kicks my butt at running.  She has beat me handily in every race we have done together except for a downhill mile we did once.  She is my running inspiration.  I'd like to run a marathon with her someday and actually keep up.  

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Bare Feet Lifetime Miles: 282.68
Cycling 2011 Lifetime Miles: 291.40
Altra Instinct July '10 Lifetime Miles: 637.35
Altra Instinct Sep '11 Lifetime Miles: 481.45
Altra Lone Peak Lifetime Miles: 157.50
Altra Instinct Black Lifetime Miles: 69.00
Altra Adam Lifetime Miles: 27.50
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.7016.300.000.0020.00

5 weeks out from November 12, my goal marathon date.

Today I did a 26.2K (16.3 Mile) marathon simulation workout by running two loops on my course, then adding 3.2 out and back.  Did 2 mile warmup, then 16.3 miles, then 1.7 cool down.

Splits:

  • 1st Loop (6.55 miles): 40:05 (6:07/mile, pretty much right on target)
  • 2nd Loop: 40:39 – slipped off goal pace slightly (1:20:44 half marathon split – 6:09/mile avg)
  • 3.2 mile out and back: 22:25 (7:00/mile avg for this section, drastically fell off pace.)
  • Total: 16.3 miles – 1:43:09 – 6:19/mile avg

Any thoughts on what my marathon goal pace should be at this point by anyone reading are welcomed and appreciated.  My desire is to set a realistic but stretching goal for a marathon time running this same course in 5 weeks from now.  And now that I have somewhat of a bench mark workout to go off of, I’m interested to hear other’s thoughts.

For whatever its worth, I have been running between 70-75 miles most weeks, with 6 days of running per week.  Sundays I always rest from running.  With a lower week every 3-4 weeks.  This week was 74.

Up until now my pie in the sky goal has been 2:40 (6:07 pace).  Hence the goal pace today of 40 minutes per lap to see how I managed at that pace on a simulation run.

Today I was wearing tights, a jacket, beanie, and gloves because it was high 30′s and drizzling this morning.  I self-supported it and was wearing my nathan pack with 30 oz. of water and 2 10 oz. flasks of half dilluted EFS liquid shot.  I only used 1 and a quarter of the 2 flasks, perhaps 250 calories for the 1:43 of running.  Enough/not enough?  Energy felt fine, but perhaps another 100-150 calories would have given my legs more the last 3 miles.  I didn’t drink a ton of the water.  Probably only 12 ounces of the 30.  It wasn’t hot at all of course, but my clothes were still soaked with sweat under my light jacket.  Including the EFS flasks a total of about 24 ounces of fluid was taken in.

As far as heart rate and breath rate are concerned the run was never that challenging.  My legs just got tired and started feeling less strong the last few miles.  My hips/gluts started feeling pretty worked at mile 15.1 so I backed off quite a bit for a minute or two, then picked it up slowly again, but my last mile split was really slow due to that, 7:40 something.  Plus I allowed myself to bail mentally on the pace at mile 15.1.  I didn’t want to drive it so hard so as to hurt myself…I figured I should save the hard driving for the actual marathon attempt.  I’m sure I’m going to have to push through a similar point of growing weakness somewhere in the last 7-10 of the marathon.  I’m willing to push through that necessary pain in my race attempt, in a workout I don’t feel that it’s in my best interest to go there.

PS - just noticed I just cracked 2000 miles on the year...cool.  Only hit 1438 last year, I may come close to doubling that it this year, we'll see. I don't really care and don't have a yearly 'goal', but its interesting to see how quick the miles stack up with consistency of running.

Altra Instinct Sep '11 Miles: 20.00
Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00Weight: 0.00
Comments
From Cody on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 17:56:10 from 67.177.0.196

Hmmm, good showing for a solo effort. Race day magic will help out a bit. Especially since there will be others there with you. You were overdressed, so that will help too. Although in 5 weeks you may wear the same thing, but for 10 degrees cooler weather. You shouldn't be carrying so much water too. That will help. Have someone hand you a small bottle every few miles to drink over 1-2 miles. My realistic estimate is 2:44. But, what do I know?

From Aaron Kennard on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 23:29:57 from 98.245.117.176

Thanks Cody. I think I am pretty close to agreeing with you. I was testing the waters of a sub 2:40 training pace. But after today, I don't think that I was quite comfortable enough at a 1:20 half to realistically expect to maintain that for 2 halves in a row in 5 weeks from now. I think my new goal pace will be 41:15 for each loop, which would put me at 2:45 for even splits. I think that's the way I will have at least a fighting chance at possibly negatively splitting. And I think I will be happy enough if I can do a 2:45 for my first go at the road marathon, especially since its solo at altitude.

From Jon on Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:41:43 from 98.71.176.77

I was going to say the same thing as Cody- I would aim for 2:45 or so. If you feel good the last 10k, you could make up a bit and knock off a few minutes. But for your first road marathon, I wouldn't count on that happening.

My prediction? If you aim for 2:40, 10% chance you finish 2:40-2:42, 90% chance you finish 2:48-2:55. If you aim for 2:45, 60% chance you finish 2:44-2:46, 40% chance you finish 2:47-2:50. But, I'm just guessing and don't have your prognostication record.

You're not planning to do a road 1/2 marathon in the next 2 weeks, are you?

From jun on Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:50:37 from 174.23.189.233

Wow, you have two experts responding. There certainly isn't anything I can really say except that it will be a vastly different experience when you race without having to wear a vest and most likely the excessive clothes.

From Cody on Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 16:45:44 from 67.177.0.196

Like jon said, with a 1/2 we can better predict your time. I still think you are capable of much faster than a 2:40, but right now with so little marathon specific training....who knows? 5 weeks is a pretty good block of time to still improve. Work on those longer tempos. Start slow and finish strong. We don't want you to start hard and crash hard. You know what we mean...

From Aaron Kennard on Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 18:29:14 from 98.245.117.176

Thanks guys. Good feedback.

I'm not going to do any more races in the next 5 weeks, and none of the workouts are that hard of a pace for that long. I have a lot of marathon pace workouts planned, but not that long, and a number of other solid long runs at something slower than pace.

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