Ogden course pacing

[Josse]

If you got enough people, you could have then all join in at various points along the course and keep things fun. Start with one and finish with a whole big group.

I only do thing if they invlove some fun.
And the dirt road wasn't that bad Andy, but we could take it out if we wanted.

[Michelle Lowry]

So Paul's GIS map of Ogden shows a steep hill at mile 14 that noone talks about, but there was a hill in mile 17 on his race report but it barely shows on his GIS map (his post to this thread has the link).  So do any of you experienced with Ogden remember a significant hill in mile 14 or just in mile 17?

Further psychoanalysis:  I am still having a hard time with my pacing.  I know what pace I would go if I were racing it (I would try to go through the half at 1:30-1:32) but with the "experience" and "don't crash and burn" strategy I should be going through 1:35 or even 1:37 (got to feel a serious holdback of effort for it to be an actual holdback).  It's so hard to not take advantage of those first eight miles, though, good downhill which I would do about 2 minutes faster in race mode than holding back mode.

[AndyBrowning]

The hill is during the 15th mile.  It doesn't last very long - I only lost 15-20 seconds running it in 2006.

[Josse]

Looking at my splits from last year I can see it is in 15.  I lost more than Andy did.